An example of a cheater

A quick headsup. On the site http://krishnacult.com/ there is a post called: An Open Letter to all Krishna Cult Members posted on January 25, 2016 By: gaurarader. This is the link to this post. Check the comments. There are a few posters who defy the poster and the website Krishnacult.com. Note that Guararader's website is offline now. Why is that?

A reply to this website by Gaurarader was given here. Again, ask your self the question, why are these people, who are against Krishna Consciousness, not honest and allow for open discussion?

Now back to that post:

Eventually a person called Steven makes a post on: July 9, 2018 - 8:45 am

Herafter, a poster called Sebastiaan replies not to believe this Steven. Why am I taking the trouble of writing this? Well because I know persons who also responded on the post of Steven before Sebastiaan replied. And guess what? These posts are not published!

The question is why? Do you now see what these people are doing? Because of these 4 types of men who have infiltrated into ISKCON and its GBC, alot of people turn away from Krishna Consiousness and end up attacking not only ISKCON GBC (which is good, to expose the imposters) but are also attacking the Vedic (Vaisnava) philosophy. This ofcourse is not good. These people then block those who give fitting replies to them because of there attack on Srila Prabhupada. If these people, both ISKCON GBC, its followers and those who criticize ISKCON, who left it and who are now against Krishna Consiousness, were genuine and honest, they would allow these posts to be published as replies to them. But they do not! This proves that they have an agenda and it is very dangerous to listen to these people. They also belong to the category of the 4 types of men!

For your convenience, I will post the reply of Vichal and Sam underneath:

Reply by Vichal:

The Hare Krishna Movement (Known as ISKCON) has been usurped. This has been happening even in the 60s. There are 4 types of people who never surrender to Krishna. You seem to be one of them. Read all about it here

Also, what is the solution to the pains of birth, old age, disease and death? What is the solution of these 4 pains offered by materialistic western scientists?

Read all about The Guru Business. Those people who look like Hare Krishna devotees but end up raping like you said, are NOT Hare Krishna devotees. These are imposters, who deliberately want to discredit Srila Prabhupada. You talk of rape of children? Look at western society today, all children are growing up in Sex consciousness. They learn that sex is normal, especially when one is young, it is ok to have a girlfriend or boyfriend. Sex whenever one feels like it with whoever one wants to 'do it' is not ok! The repercussions are diseases and unwanted children which leads to murder (abortion) or children in society who grow up as criminals and prostitutes.

Krishna Consiousness as explained by the founder-acarya of ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada, teaches sex-control through marriage. When you see in ISKCON today that there is abuse and rape, it proves that the "leaders" and followers in ISKCON today are not genuine followers. They deviate from the original teachings of the founder-acarya.

It has already been explained in the Vedic philosophy that very few people will actually read and listen to Srila Prabhupada.

You talk of youth? How long will you live? What happens after death? Explain!

You cannot, instead, just like those other 3 types of men who do not surrender to Krishna, you talk alot of bullshit yet do not come up with a solution of world peade.

Here, have a read

I know what you people are up to. You want to discredit Srila Prabhupada, but it will never work. Have you seen where the current world is heading to?

If you are genuinely chanting Hare Krishna, it does not matter what happens in your life (your family members leave you, you lose your job, you become sick, it does not matter what suffering you get), thanks to chanting Hare Krishna, you will get peace. Remember, Steven, you must be genuine. You are not genuine. Thats why you criticize the Vedic philosophy and want others to follow you on the path to Hell!

If you are so concerned, then go to the police and charge ISKCON GBC with these crimes! Why don't you do that? Instead you open up this website and speak against the Vedic philosophy. Why? Why not close down all ISKCON temples? You do not talk about that. This means you have an agenda.

What is the goal of life then if one must not chant Hare Krishna? How can there be world peace? Why did your great western leaders not arrange for a solution of peace for ALL humans on this planet?

I agree that there have been alot of terrible happenings thanks to ISKCON GBC. That does not mean that the Vedic philosophy is wrong. First look at your own Western way of living and what it has done to so many innocent creatures (humans AND animals) all around the globe. Only suffering and no solution.

And what do you do? You do not make work of ISKCON GBC nor the Western society leaders on the planet. Only criticizing on a forum about why one should not chant Hare Krishna.

Well, it DOES work, I AM happy! Are you jealous of those who are happy?

Read up on those links I posted here, then comment. You are eternal, in this life I guess you failed to chant Hare Krishna submisively! In a next life, if you get the opportunity, try again and this time, be humble. Do not cry without understanding the philosophy. You clearly did not read Srila Prabhupada's books.

So, what is the solution to the pains of birth, old age, disease and death?

Thank you!

Jaya Srila Prabhupada!!

HARE KRISHNA!!!

P.S. I am NOT and ISKCON member, nor am I a devotee. I am a Westerner, just like you! I find it terrible to be here!

Reply by Sam:

Steven, as a former member of the Hare Krishna Movement, shouldn't you be familiar with the 2 processes of gaining knowledge (epistemology)?

There is the ascending (aroha pantha) and the descending (avaroha pantha) process of gaining knowledge.

Through the ascending process, a human uses Pratyaksa (direct sense perception) and Anumana (his mind) to gain knowledge. Why is this process flawed? Because we, the humans, are conditioned souls trapped in a material body and are acquiring knowledge through our own endeavors, through our material senses. This process has four defects:

◾Imperfect Senses (Karanapatava) - The senses are limited and can easily be misled. For example, one cannot see hands in the dark

◾Under illusion (Pramada) - Accepting as real something that is not real. For example misidentifying the self as his body and mind

◾Mistakes (Bhrama) - "To err is human." All humans are prone to make mistakes and when we do, we say: Oh, we are human after all aren't we?

◾Cheating propensity (Vipralipsa) - To propagate falsehood, to present yourself as something you are not. For example foolish people who pose themselves as intelligent

Everything you said, is knowledge acquired through the ascending process and thus is flawed.

The correct process to gain knowledge is the descending process. Through the descending process, a human uses Sabda (transcendental sound) to gain knowledge. This transcendental sound is known to be apauruseya (not of this material world). The Veda's are transcendental sound and the Upanisads (Sruti) explain this. In the Smriti (purana, itihasa, history) stories of great Brahmana and Ksatriya personalities are given who demonstrate the use in human life how this transcendental sound is applied.

This transcendental sound is given to us by the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna Himself in the itihasa, known as Mahabharata in a conversation. This conversation is known as Bhagavad Gita. Because there are many unscrupulous people around who dare to comment on Bhagavad Gita without being submissive and a devotee of Krishna, the meaning is distorted. Luckily for us, the Brahma-Madhva-Gaudiya Vaisnava Sampradaya is there to guide us in the form of the last acarya, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Svami Srila Prabhupada. It is he who is a pure devotee and who could explain clearly the Bhagavad Gita As It Is.

The cream of the Veda's is known as Srimad Bhagavatam and Sri Caitanya Caritamrita.

When reading your story and posts, I feel sorry for you and feel with you as well since I to am a victim of ISKCON GBC. The Movement had been compromised long time ago and you stepped in, in a time when the bogus Zonal Guru system already had taken root in ISKCON.

All I can say is, be calm and yes, warn people about your experience but do not discredit the founder acarya Srila Prabhupada, since he did definitely not want these kinds of abuses and other terrible things to happen. Know that enemies of spirituality are everywhere, and especially in the Kali age which we are experiencing right know. I hope you find what you are looking for in life brother.

I am not a devotee, but I do like to read books and Bhaktivedanta Svami's books somehow captured me and since then I am hooked. I also wanted to joint but I saw through these ISKCON GBC guru's AND their followers as well. So now I am trying to practice as much as I can in my private environment. I only read Srila Prabhupada's unmodified books and listen only to his lectures and no-one else!

Peace brother!