I notice that the expiry date is printed on the (thin) cardboard box (carton) containing the film roll, but the expiry date information is not printed on the actual (metal) casing of the film roll. Is this always the case??
I bought a box of 10 expired film rolls; three of them were in their cardboard boxes, and each box has one film roll in a plastic container with a cap; the rest came only in their plastic (with a cap) containers. I can read the expiry dates on the cardboard boxes, but none (=10) of the film rolls have any expiry date information. Is there a way to determine (the expiry date) by looking at the print information on the film roll (metal) casing?? (I am not sure if the bar code on the film roll (metal) casing would have expiry date; however, I don't know how to read the bar code).
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I had two rolls of 35mm Tri-X in cartridges with removable ends. (That makes them over 40 years old. I bought them along with some other old film.) Thinking it was exposed, I developed one, but it wasn't. Came out clear enough that it is probably usable. I haven't tried the other one yet. I have had 40 year Tri-X fogged enough not to want to use it.
Film is made up of thin strips of plastic coated with a chemical emulsion. This emulsion contains silver halides that react when exposed to light, which creates the final photo. For color film, the silver particles are mixed with colored dyes.
But, the effects caused by the degradation of film are actually an exciting prospect for film photographers. Using expired film adds an extra element of excitement. Many photographers specifically seek out these effects.
Black and white film has a longer shelf life than standard color canisters. As it uses a simpler emulsion with fewer silver halides, the rate of deterioration is much slower. You might experience more grain, but black and white film tends to be more grainy anyway. Good quality black and white film will work well for years and years.
We find the best place to look for expired film is online. There are sellers on eBay that sell bundles of expired rolls for discount prices. Sellers can also be found on many online photography forums.
Another tip is to buy in bulk. It will work out cheaper in the long run and will also allow you to do more test shots. You can see what effect one year has on a roll of Kodak 200, then try again with another roll. Just remember, no two films will be exactly the same.
Using a test roll will give you a good idea of how degraded the film is and what effects you can expect. But remember, no two rolls will be exactly the same. Each set of developed photos will be unique, which is part of the fun!
When adjusting the ISO in this way, there is a general rule of thumb. For each decade past expiry, lower the ISO by one stop. If the film has 400 ISO and is ten years out of date, drop it down to 200.
Do keep in mind that an element of risk when using expired film. The photos may not come out as you expect, and there is no way of telling how degraded a roll of film is before you use it. There is always the risk that the film was too far gone, and you end up with nothing but splodges and grain.
I have three rolls of Kodak 100 24 exp in their plastic containers, but I forgot to take note (yeah, silly me) of the expiration dates of each one. I'm a slow film shooter (about one roll a month) so I would like to use them in order (older first). Is there any way to know the expiration date without having the imprinted box? Thanks in advance.
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I always wondered how you are suppose to know the expiration date of "new" film when it only gets shipped to you in the plastic container and not in an individual box.
For example film I order from Adorama is always individual rolls unless I specifically order an entire box. How is one suppose to know if the film you are buying is old stock and about to expire soon?
I shoot expired film all the time but I want to know that what I'm buying at full price is going to be "fresh" for a while.
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I'd never noticed this before. It's just a 35mm thing. The expiry date of 120 rolls is written on the individual roll wrapper. I bought a stack of loose rolls of Portra recent;ly for about a dollar a roll and they were all dated. All came up fine too.
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Yes 120 rolls are individually wrapped and have the date on the wrapper. 35mm rolls however do not. The date is always on the box but now most 35mm film is sold individually without a box.
Single Ektar 100 rolls use to come in a small box but now I only see it sold with the plastic film canister? I have yet to see a single box roll of new Portra 400.
Perhaps single boxed rolls of pro films are a thing of the past?
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SilverChrome7 Single Ektar 100 rolls use to come in a small box but now I only see it sold with the plastic film canister?
I've bought a couple of single rolls of Ektar 100 recently, and they came in little boxes.
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This thread went crazy after I left. I just wanted to quote myself from other thread: "I know some of you think one roll is nothing, in other question a guy told me even three rolls is nothing but in my country, film is scarce and expensive to buy and hard to process, so here is not that a light decision like in US or Europe. Please, think global."
In the other hand, the beautiful thing about film is that even less than perfect result are interesting. Some years ago, I left a half exposed roll inside a camera, about two years. Then I finished the roll. The later pictures had weak colors but not too bad and the older ones had some a little crazy tones, but so fitting to the subject: a School show, so I was very happy with them. But it was good luck, this time I wanted to know what to expect.
Thanks to all for your answers, crazy or not.
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Film may well be expensive where you are, but unless the inside of your house is regularly above about 30C (about 85F I think), it won't make any difference what order you shoot the films in. (I have no idea what the insides of Venezuelan houses are like, so this may well be an issue).
If you're really worried, keep it all in the fridge/freezer until you want to shoot it, which will stop the aging process (as good as).
I've shot rolls of film which expired decades before I was born, and still had good results, so the difference of a few weeks with some new stock is unlikely to even be noticeable - just don't leave it anywhere hot, that's the main thing. Unless it's somewhere really hot, like in a car glove-box though, moderate heat is still unlikely to make any difference over a few weeks.
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I'm somewhat of a beginner I would say in 35mm film photography. The last time I shot was back in the early 2000s with a Ricoh AF-7 that my dad gifted me. After the camera had some issues and couldn't be fixed, I had never used a film camera until now. I've always loved film photography and the process itself of developing your own images. Recently I decided to get a Minolta SLR camera and some films for really cheap prices and get some shots.
In all cases where we are using film past its expiration date, the only safe approach is to try a roll OF EACH PRODUCT and evaluate it before shooting the rest of that product. The stability of film products is different for different products.
Having said that, here are some general guidelines. The expiration date for many products is about 2 years after manufacture. Refrigeration will preserve the the chemical properties of film for 2 to 4 times longer than at room temperature. If you bought fresh film and refrigerated it, the chemical properties should last 4 to 8 years instead of 2.
Unless you have access to a salt mine, background radiation cannot be stopped by any process that any of us can afford. Background radiation causes fog and grain increases in the shadow areas. All films are sensitive to background radiation ROUGHLY in proportion to film speed. That is, an 800 speed film would be roughly 32 times as sensitive as a 25 speed film. This is very rough since the current Kodak 800 speed film is about 1/4 as sensitive as the generation from 8 years ago. All these discussions of keeping film in a refrigerator or freezer should only apply to low speed films (200 or slower). With high speed films, the background radiation will degrade the film regardless of the storage temperature.
Kodak and Fujifilm are still making high-quality, fresh, reliable, gorgeous colour film. Take a look at (for example) Freestyle Photographic Supplies to see other current manufacturers. I would encourage any budding film user to buy fresh film - you don't need to worry about storage conditions, and you are supporting continued film manufacture.
At the lip the holds the opening light sealed there's a number: 1 6283230this is not the number of the bar code, but it doesn't look like a date either. More like a production number.
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