Some time ago there was a discussion about what makes a fast middle linebacker, this eventually lead to the topic of the average speed for each position. Now this Some Clarification is in Order will be much shorter and to the point, simply it will answer that question: What is the average 40 time by position?
I won't make this long but I should say this obviously not perfect since some players don't test well on their 40 times and some are faster than others over 20 or 60 yards but since the 40 yard dash is actually a fairly good measurement of a player's overall speed, I'll stick with it, especially since that is the most often mentioned and measured at the combine as well as here at Mile High Report.
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I got these numbers by researching the 40 times of every player in the NFL, though I did exclude scout teams for a few reasons, the two biggest being many didn't have recorded 40 times or they were impossible to track down. Overall I had over 100 data points for every position so it's a fairly large population. To make it bigger I went back to every draft since 2000 and included players who may not still be active but played in at least fives games to improve the overall population size. I excluded the offensive line positions for a few reasons, many offensive lineman don't record 40 times or they actively don't hustle on those drills.
Hey guys, it has been a bit of a long offseason and with us currently being in the dead zone I decided to dust off some numbers I crunched awhile ago to perhaps fill some of that void with something that sort of resembles football.
This week I'll be using math and combine/pro-day data to calculate the "top" speeds of 73 qualifying players at the wide receiver position from last season.
Before we highlight individual players I felt it best to give us a road map for how to quantify which speeds were actually fast by NFL standards. I personally prefer a receiver's short speed over their long speed so that will be what is used for this article (short speed in this case being their estimated average speed after traveling 10 yards).
The MSF has just posted statistics on the Facebook page about how fast an average marathon swimmer is. The speed is quoted as 3.2 kph at 10 km for amateurs. This translate to about 3:07:30 for the whole race.
As a 10 km swim is comparable to a full marathon, This time / speed is just unbelievable for an "average" swimmer. If you can run a 3:10 or 3:20 marathon, I think you are already better than the VAST majority of runners! So I find out how fast an average runner can run a marathon. And, in a news article, it is quoted as 3:52:35 in 1986 and 4:32:49 now, which shows that as marathons get popular the world gets slower, and I think it is normal.
However, what makes me really shocked is that the vast difference between the average speed of swimmers and runners and it really makes my self-esteem low. I am training for marathon run and marathon swim at the same time and targeting the same time in both marathon run and marathon swim. If I can complete my marathon run in that time, it will put me in the upper half of the runner population. However, even if I can swim my 10 km at that time, I am nowhere near an "average" swimmer, so it gives the perception that I'm a bad swimmer.
What are the reason that, a 10 km swim and marathon run are done in similar time in world-class athletes, but not by an average amateur? Why are amateur swimmer "faster" than amateur runner by so much when the elites are doing them in similar time? (unfortunately triathlons with both a marathon swim and a marathon run haven't gone mainstream yet - most races are biased to the bike then the run and underweight the swim, otherwise we can get more useful insights if the swim and run are done by the same population)
@miklcct I had some experience with running before badly injuring my knee.. My guess is that running is much more popular then swimming for such a distance. Almost everyone can run a marathon (of course with some training ) since there is no technical requirements and when you are tired you can switch to walking or even seat down for few minutes. That allows a lot of people to run a marathon in 5 or even 6 to 7hours.. On the other hand, swimming 10K requires much more confidence. Even for triathletes, 10K is perceived as a very big distance. And you cannot just "walk". In my opinion the average technical level is much higher for marathon swimming then running. I think the rule 1:4 is valid only for decent/good swimmer. swimming for 5-6 hours can be much harder then running at allow pace for same amount of time simply for the fact of being in the water and need to control your breath..
While the average jogger that runs 2 times a week can go for a marathon, I think the average swimmer who hit the pool 2, 3 times a week will never attempt a 10K swim.
I also know several decent amateurs that run a marathon in 3h or a bit more. Usually people who train seriously and run 4 times a week or more, and usually people with a low BMI will benefit much more. In running being light is a huge advantage, so 3h wall can be perceived as hard just because you really need a low BMI to run so fast...
If you rule out all the people that run a marathon without proper training, walking big parts just to say "i did it" I think then the numbers will start to match again... Also if we do the same comparison for shortest swimming distance.. Lets say 1 mile, that allows a big number of amateurs the avg time for swimming will result much higher ...
Honestly I would not like swimming to become as much popular as running.. The swimming pool are already to busy... running you can do it everywhere and in any season and this also why it is so much more popular..
My 2 cents
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@miklcct I had some experience with running before badly injuring my knee.. My guess is that running is much more popular then swimming for such a distance. Almost everyone can run a marathon (of course with some training ) since there is no technical requirements and when you are tired you can switch to walking or even seat down for few minutes. That allows a lot of people to run a marathon in 5 or even 6 to 7hours.. On the other hand, swimming 10K requires much more confidence. Even for triathletes, 10K is perceived as a very big distance. And you cannot just "walk".
In my opinion the average technical level is much higher for marathon swimming then running. I think the rule 1:4 is valid only for decent/good swimmer. swimming for 5-6 hours can be much harder then running at allow pace for same amount of time simply for the fact of being in the water and need to control your breath..
I have done marathon swims of 5-6 hours in time. I'm now training for my first marathon run, and until now my longest run was about 3 hours in length. By the last hour, basically every step is a pain for me, and after it my feet becomes swollen. It simply hurts to run for so long with my body weight pounding against my feet every step. Does that mean my running form is bad?
I don't think an average jogger that runs 2 times a week can go for it. The risk of injury is simply too high. I think I'm in a big trouble now because last month I was only running 2 times per week with not that high mileage, and I need to correct myself to have more runs in the week otherwise I'm afraid I won't be able to complete the marathon.
@miklcct , I don't wanna say that running is easier in general, of course it is very tough on your legs and the risk of hurting yourself is high, but a lot of people do run marathons with little training, just to finish, at the risk of get injured and this increases the average times. I see this does not happens that much in swimming, all the people I know that swim 10K or more are good swimmers and with solid training.. With running, the fact that you are in an environment you can control (air and soil) it helps mentally to finish a marathon even without proper training. Yes, you can roll and rest also in the water, but treading water does not come so easy for everyone, also you have to deal with the cold, waves slapping your face, currents and wind so it is not always possible... What I am trying to say is that running does not require technical skills (at amateur level) and is accessible to a wider audience. Your feet will hurt like crazy after 5h run, maybe more then your shoulder do after same time in swimming, but you do not risk drowning if you get a big cramp....
I don't think that necessarily means that the world has gotten slower. I think that's reflective of the increase in popularity of the marathon for many. My daughter who took up running a few years ago, would run for 20-30 minutes 2x to 3x a week decided her first ever organized run would be the Moscow Marathon. She did it in 5:55. She ran/walk/ambled through the whole thing. She was ill prepared for it, but she finished. More than I could do and her mom and I were crazy proud of her. She runs more now because she's in the Army and when I mention "marathon" she has a look on her face like she's gonna use some Army voodoo and choke me out.
Let's all remember that the 1:4 ratio thing was thought up by the IOC and/or FINA purely for spectator reasons. They wanted a non-pool swimming event that would take about the same time as the marathon run. Two hours is a comfortable chunk of time that can keep someone's attention, whether they're marathon fans or (swim) marathon fans. If the Olympics had taken up the 25K as the marathon distance, I think most of us would have to subscribe to some sort of service so we could watch the entire 5 hours, and NBC (or whoever in your country) would just show us highlights.
Point is, I don't think the 1:4 necessarily translates to us recreational marathon swimmers. Certainly, it doesn't necessarily translate in one and the same person. Perhaps at lower distances by those trained equally in both sports. Maybe a pro triathlete could today swim a 2500m swim in 35:00 and tomorrow run a 10K in 35:00. Then can we say that s/he is equally fit in both sports? Who knows. 152ee80cbc
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