Interviews

Meet The All Female AMC * Mountain Leadership Class

*The AMC is the Appalachian Mountain Club, they maintain a large section of the trail running through the White Mountains in New Hampshire.

On our first night of the trip, Caroline and I stumbled into Nauman Campsites absolutely exhausted. We walked in about 6 o'clock, and speaking for myself, it took a lot of energy — like an embarrassing amount— to even stay standing long enough to make camp. My reward however was meeting the lovely ladies taking the AMC Mountain Leadership Course. We met, as most people do in the woods, at the cooking section of a group campsite. (For those of you who don't know, many big campsites have a designated cooking area in order to keep animals such as squirrels, bears, etc. away from the actual tent sites.)

The group consisted of five 'leaders in training:' Heidi, age 45, affectionately known by her counterparts as Blue Moon, Ann, age 58, Becky, age 42, Beth, age 56, aka Coffee and Diane, age 61. They were led by Lindsay, age 32, known on the trail as lollipop, and Martha, age 58, aka Doc.

When asked how they first 'got into' hiking Heidi responded that it was just something she had always done. "I grew up in Western North Carolina, in the Blue Ridge Mountains, and as a kid my family would spend every Saturday on Blue Ridge Parkway or exploring the Smokies. I've moved around a lot as an adult, lived in places that didn't have access to hiking," she made a visible cringe and added, "I lived in Ohio! I mean...doesn't get flatter than that. But really it helped me realize that being in the mountains — it's the closest I ever feel to home."

Ann added that it was her kids who got her involved. When they were younger the whole family hiked together; after they moved out of the house, she began looking for a new group to hike with, that was why she was taking the leadership course. Whether to hike in groups is actually a very controversial decision. On one hand, many people come to the woods to be alone and in terms of environmental impact, one person leaves much less trace than seven. On the other, accidents happen in the woods. You could fall and injure yourself, have a run-in with bad weather, a stranger, or an animal, in any of these cases you would want to have another person around. When asked if they felt comfortable hiking alone, the group overwhelmingly responded no, that going out alone, especially as a woman, was just unsafe.

Our final interview question is rather heavy. When I asked the women if they had ever felt like they were treated/viewed or just experienced hiking and camping differently because of their gender the campfire went silent for a moment. Heidi began by saying, "I've been mansplained. Less when I'm backpacking, there is a certain level of respect that comes with that, but definitely when I am day hiking. There is the paternalist thing that can happen. "

Lindsay added that she gets a lot of information she doesn't ask for. "People are always telling me, you'll be there in no time, you're doing great, or the classic 'you go girl.' I know I am doing great, and I really don't need people to tell me that."

Becky responded by saying, "My daughter is eleven and she has just started hiking bigger mountains with us as a family. When we get to the top, I really just want to see a big group of women, like this one, at the peak. And, I don't. I don't see that. Instead, when we get up there, people say to my daughter 'wow your so brave' and 'look at you little girl all the way up here' and I just think yes! Look at her up here! She just did that, this 'little girl' just climbed the same mountain you did. There is no need to make her feel like a 'little girl' because she is just as brave and strong as the rest of us.

Meet Sam

"I first starting hiking when I was in college. So a little over ten years ago now. I went to school in Maine and my boyfriend junior year loved to hike up there. Originally, I just did day hikes with him, but after we broke up I kept doing them and started backpacking to. I knew absolutely nothing about hiking or camping at the beginning, I'm afraid I asked a lot of dumb questions. People were generally friendly but I have also found that a lot of people, especially older men, don't know when to stop. It's almost like they can't see the line between being helpful and being, what's a good way to put this, borderline misogynistic? For example, years ago I was hiking up Mount Washington, a mountain that gets a lot of day hikers, and I wasn't making very good time. I had decided to bring a full backpack, even though I wasn't spending the night, just to practice hiking with a bit of weight. Anyways, there I was hiking up and a middle-aged man come up behind me. The trail was steep and narrow so he couldn't get around me easily. I saw a little clearing about 100 yds up ahead where he could pass me, so I picked up the pace a little bit. As he passed me he turns to me and says, 'You know there are smaller mountains around here that would be better for you.' Honestly, I was offended by his remark. I was wearing a full pack and he wasn't and he was commenting on my speed. I replied that I was perfectly happy there and he mumbled under his breath, 'women' and walked away from me. To this day it still makes me angry."

Meet Sara

"I first started camping because of my mom. She went to a tripping camp when she was a kid, she loved that experience and really wanted to pass that on to me. But me, I found my own love of the wilderness. I'm seventeen now and I'm on the trail to challenge expectations. In the 'real' world there are always expectations about how women and girls should behave. Men come up to me and comment on how sweaty I am, I've been out here hiking for 18 days of course I'm sweating. But what really impacts me about their comments is that they think it's improper for a girl to look anything but her best yet it's fine for them to be covered in dirt. It's an outdated and unfounded stereotype in action. People assume I'm weaker because I'm a girl and they put a lot of silent pressure on me to behave differently when I'm out here.

Meet Frankie

"I don't really think about it, actually I try not to, because when I do I see that it's really terrible. The group I'm out here with, we all wear whistles. Not for fear of getting lost or wild animals but as an added caution for other people. I would absolutely never hike alone not with the people you meet in the woods. Another thing now that I'm thinking about it. Whenever I have a conversation with other women out here I feel so empowered, but some of the men I meet out here purposefully make me feel inferior. I'm out here doing exactly what they are, sometimes more, and they go out of their way to make me feel out of place. That's something that no one should have to deal with.

Meet Julia

"I always feel underestimated. I constantly have to do the most to prove to men I am capable. The funny thing is that just by being out here I am proving that. Their reaction, constant questions, and the 'wow look at you' that I am always getting, actually take away from my own experiences. I'm only 16 and if I feel this way I can't imagine how old thru hikers with more experience feel. That said, I love it out here. The woods are an amazing place and some of the people you meet are genuinely amazing. The conversations and the energy, there is nothing like it."

Meet Roadrunner

"My trail name is roadrunner, like the old cartoon. I'm 52 years old and I live right outside of DC in Virginia. I've been on the trail for just over five months now and I'll be completely finished in about a week. Being out here, it's changed my life. The women I've met out here, we've formed a real sisterhood. They've seen me through my highest and my lowest, the support is just unconditional. I've been walking with a woman I met in New York for about two months now, she has become one of my closest friends. My first grandchild was just born and we are going to go meet him together once we get off the trail. She is someone I'll never forget and I'm so grateful to the trail for putting us together."

Meet Darcy

It feels strange to be writing about my own experience. Having spent almost 40 days of this summer backpacking, returning to the 'real world' was more of a struggle than I anticipated. I met so many amazing, strong, and passionate women this summer, all of whom I will remember forever. Women who went out for a day hike in the 80's and decided to walk the entire trail forty years later; I also met women who were slightly older than me, taking a gap year to do something they love. Yet the one common thread between us all was our stories. As I conducted these interviews I couldn't help but notice the reoccurring themes, most notably the 'extra step.' What I mean when referring to this is the additional thought and planning that women have to put into their outdoor trips. Whether it be something simple, bringing extra trash bags to pack out used feminine hygiene products, or more substantially, always wearing a rape whistle, we all bear the responsibility of the 'extra step.'

When I was ten years old, my parents signed me up for my first camping trip. We knew absolutely nothing about camping but, lucky for us, my great uncle was an outdoor enthusiast. We told him all about the trip, how it would be a group of other ten-year-old girls setting off for a five-day hiking trip led by two female college sophomores, and asked what items I needed to pack. I will never forget his response. He asked if a man was going with us, to protect us, and build a fire, and read a map, and take care of the twelve helpless girls alone in the woods. I told him no, he just couldn't believe it.

My whole life I've been exposed to responses like "I can't believe you're doing that", "that's what you did last summer", and the "you mean it's just you girls?" In the past, I've had men offer to help carry canoes and personal gear sitting the reason that I, as a girl, must not be strong enough to do it myself. In my seven years of wilderness tripping, I have never seen that same offer extended to a group of boys.

I hiked the trail. I had an amazing and indescribable adventure that will impact the rest of my life. I underwent the same physical challenges as every man out there, yet somehow was still treated differently by them. I know what it is to be catcalled and objectified while washing off in a stream and I know what it is to have someone tell you that you'd be pretty if you weren't so sweaty.

Now I'm not blaming men, I met so many kind male thru hikers that genuinely brightened my day with their jokes and funny stories. And I'm also not saying that they ruin the outdoor experience for the rest of us. I've loved every single one of my camping trips. The girls I've gone on them with are some of my closest friends and the women I've met have become role models. The purpose of this project was to draw attention to an aspect of camping many people are not aware of: gender dynamics. Hopefully, these interviews and stories will inspire young women to break the barrier, fall in love with something that's maybe a little different. I promise that you're not alone and there will always be someone to support you.

Thank you for reading these interviews,

-The Turtle