Shawn (00:01): Hey everybody. Uh, this is English all over the place. I am Shawn De Haven and
Barney (00:06): I am Barney as always
Shawn (00:09): No last name.
Barney (00:10): Yeah.
Shawn (00:10): The man of mystery continues. And I thought today that we would talk about our home towns. Now the United States of course, is a huge country, much larger than Japan. In fact, Japan is about the size of California. So as you can imagine, there are many, many different places. And even though we're from the same country, you might as well be from different countries. In some ways.
Barney (00:38): I remember one time I was telling you a story and you said, wow, you may as well be from Mars.
Shawn (00:45): Wow. I don't even remember that story, but, uh, I can't wait to relive that here.
Barney (00:49): I hope it comes up.
Barney (00:50): So we're going to talk about our hometowns and, uh, uh, just first things first. I'm from Arcadia, California. Where are you from?
Barney (00:58): I am from Wooster, Ohio.
Shawn (01:00): O-hi-o. Oh, okay. Where is that?
Barney (01:05): It's that one by the Lake,
Shawn (01:07): The Lake. The Lake. Okay. Okay. Lake Arrowhead. Is that the one?
Barney (01:10): Yeah, Lake Titicaca.
Shawn (01:12): Is it really? Truly?
Barney (01:13): No,
Shawn (01:14): I don't know where where's Lake Titicaca?
Barney (01:16): Lake Erie. I'm not sure. Really where Lake Titicaca is either.
Shawn (01:19): Wow. Google it people Google it. Yeah. Anyway, um, Arcadia is located in Southern California and it is a suburb of Los Angeles. I'm sure you've heard of that place. Uh, it's about 20 to 25 minutes from downtown,
Barney (01:37): Right.
Shawn (01:37): Uh, where is, how do you pronounce it again? Wooster.
Barney (01:41): Wooster, right?
Barney (01:42): So it is, um, it's spelled W-o-o-s-t-e-r. So we often we easily know who the outsiders are. Oh, you're from Wooster. I know it's Wooster. And we are basically, um, I-70 [I-71], halfway between Cleveland and Columbus.
Shawn (02:01): As all of you guys know the highway system in Ohio. Yeah.
Barney (02:05): The I-70 is the interstate, right, not just Ohio. It'll take you where you want to go.
Shawn (02:11): Will it take me out of Ohio?
Barney (02:13): Yes. lickety-split!
Shawn (02:16): Alright! Ha ha ha.
Barney (02:16): You can drive 70 [m.p.h.] on it.
Shawn (02:17): So Wooster.
Barney (02:18): Yep.
Shawn (02:19): Um, it sounds like some sort of sauce that would be great on a, on a, something
Barney (02:24): W-o-r-c-h-e-s-t-e-r.
Shawn (02:26): Yes. Yes. Booster Wooster, Uh...
Barney (02:30): Named after General Wooster.
Shawn (02:33): Really? Uh, is he a, I suppose, I hope a union general.
Barney (02:37): Before then.
Barney (02:38): Before then?
Shawn (02:39): Yeah. Revolutionary War?
Barney (02:40): Uh, 1812. [Actually, the French & Indian War.]
Shawn (02:41): Okay. Uh, not the Spanish American War or, uh,
Barney (02:46): No, no, that was really later...
Shawn (02:48): Vietnam. No?
Barney (02:49): Yeah, right.
Shawn (02:49): That's even later,
Barney (02:51): You know, it took Ohio forever to be an official state. Right. It took Wooster forever to have an official name.
Shawn (02:56): This is true. Of course, California became a state much later, but, uh, because we're all the way on the West coast.
Barney (03:02): Right.
Shawn (03:03): Manifest destiny!
Barney (03:06): Honestly.
Shawn (03:07): Um, so what, what is the temp-- what is the weather like in, in Wooster?
Barney (03:13): Yeah, it can get very cold. Um, I think that most of my, um, snow days, quote-unquote, snow days were actually because of the temperature was too cold.
Shawn (03:25): How, how cold, how cold is it?
Barney (03:29): It's so cool that, um, no, what we, I can't tell you centigrade, I'm afraid, but you know, minus, minus 20, minus 30, not uncommon. And then there's.
Shawn (03:43): That's in Fahrenheit.
Barney (03:43): Yeah. And then there's the wind chill. So...
Shawn (03:46): That makes it warmer, right.
Barney (03:47): Yeah. Right. Yeah. There's, there's a number of times where, you know, you wash your hair, you go outside, um, and it's ah, frozen.
Shawn (03:55): So how, so you said it was like minus 20 Fahrenheit. Yeah. So that's that's for, for our listeners, that's about minus 28 Celsius.
Barney (04:05): Yo, yeah, that's cold.
Shawn (04:07): Maybe that's sweater weather.
Barney (04:09): Yeah. Yeah. Sweater! Right. But, um, but it does get hot and humid, um, during the summer as well in the in the nineties. Yeah.
Shawn (04:17): Oh, great!
Barney (04:17): The best of both.
Shawn (04:19): So it's really cold In the winter and really humid in the summer. But it, what is the net (sic)? What is this paradise called again?
Barney (04:26): Ha, I know. It does not hold a candle to Japan's humidity though.
Shawn (04:30): No. Okay. Cause the candle, your hands would be too moist to hold the candle.
Barney (04:36): True!
Shawn (04:36): Um, Arcadia on the other hand is quite a warm place. Of course. It's in Southern California. And we're at the foothills, uh, in a valley, um, at the foot of the San Gabriel Mountains.
Barney (04:50): Oh yeah. I've heard of that.
Shawn (04:51): Um, and so in the summer it can get easily over a hundred and that's about 38 degrees Celsius.
Barney (05:03): Yeah.
Shawn (05:04): I think when I was there recently, it got up to about 110 -- 40, about 43 degrees Celsius. And, but it's a dry heat. So you just burst into flame when you go outside.
Barney (05:22): It was, uh, a year ago or two years ago you showed us, it was 119.
Shawn (05:27): That was, was that in Arcadia? Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. That is unusual. And, and thankfully that's, that's 48 degrees Celsius guys. Wow. So you can cook, uh, something on top of your car. No kidding. Um, yeah. I've seen people as, as a joke, uh, cook eggs on their car in Southern California.
Barney (05:50): Not on the sidewalk?
Shawn (05:51): Oh, that's just disgusting. Come on. At least do it on your car.
Barney (05:56): and put some butter down first.
Shawn (05:57): Yes. Yes. Crisco some baking oil, whatever it's called cooking oil.
Barney (06:05): Shortening.
Shawn (06:06): Yes. That's what it's called. Um, but it is hot. It is hot. It is hot. Uh, and that heat lasts until September, maybe October.
Barney (06:16): Okay.
Shawn (06:16): Um, but I I'd rather have, let's say I'd rather have 95. I rather have 35 degrees Celsius in Arcadia, then 30 degrees Celsius in Tokyo.
Barney (06:35): Oh yeah.
Shawn (06:35): Uh, because the humidity is quite different. Uh, how many people live in your hometown?
Barney (06:43): Right now? Um, so most recently 26,000, but, um, but of course before, before then growing up, it was always, uh, 18, 19,000.
Shawn (06:53): Wow. Yeah. It's pretty small.
Barney (06:56): It's very small. And, and of course it's the biggest city in the county.
Shawn (07:01): Really?
Barney (07:01): Yeah. Yeah.
Shawn (07:02): Wow. Uh, Arcadia is right now. It's about 53,000 and it doesn't really grow much because there's nowhere to grow.
Barney (07:11): Oh, I got ya.
Shawn (07:11): There's cities all around it. And it's in a Valley of about, um, I don't know, a million people maybe. Um, so there's nowhere to grow and we don't have tall buildings in our city, uh, probably to keep with the aesthetic of the beautiful suburb that it is. Um, and it was around the same population when I was there.
Barney (07:33): Okay.
Shawn (07:33): It's, it's a very popular place for people to move to because we have good schools and, uh, nice neighborhoods. Uh, sometimes you'll see them in movies or TV shows. Uh, I loved that when I recognize a place. Um, so what did you, what did you do for fun when you were a kid in Wooster?
Barney (07:55): Oh yeah. So, um, not only, not only did I live in this small town, but we lived outside of town.
Shawn (08:03): Wow.
Barney (08:04): Yeah. So, okay.
Shawn (08:05): Your parents didn't like people did they?
Barney (08:08): That explains a lot about me too doesn't it? So, um, yeah. I remember always being a little bit jealous of my friends who, um, you know, who lived in town and it's easy for them to go, to go places.
Shawn (08:24): What places were there to go?
Barney (08:26): Yeah. There was an arcade and the comic book store. And, but you know, it was, it was, you know, when you go out -- trick or treating for my friends, they are, they have these stories of bags and bags of candy. Right. You know, they just walk around their neighborhood trick or treating for me, hop in the car...
Shawn (08:45): Was it like two houses?
Barney (08:45): Yeah. Hop in the car and then if their porch light is on, you can go to their house.
Shawn (08:49): Be careful with the shotgun and...
Barney (08:52): No, no. Back then, of course it was be careful of those candy, those caramel apples, because they might have razor blades. Yes. So, um, for fun, my, thankfully my one very good friend lived just down the road. So basically everyday after elementary school, you know, going home by the bus, you know, we're like meet halfway and then we'd meet halfway and usually go to his house.
Shawn (09:15): How long did it take for you to walk to the next house?
Barney (09:19): Um, it's half, half a mile, uh, not to the, sorry to my friend's house. The next house. No, the next house was, was, was not far. It's, it's not Kansas.
Shawn (09:29): Okay. Well, um, so it's like a five minute walk.
Barney (09:33): Yeah, yeah. For sure. I, to the next house to their door. Cause you know, we have really long driveways. Yeah. Um, but yeah, we lived in the woods and whatnot. So in this, in this sense, you know, my house, we had seven acres. Um, and so lots of place to play and um, yeah.
Shawn (09:53): And you could hide a lot of dead bodies there, too.
Barney (09:55): Yes. Well, our tomatoes were often fertilized by family pets.
Shawn (10:02): Oh no. Uh, you mean they pooped in them or they died, which one?
Barney (10:10): Maybe both. This is, I mean, we, we grew up on a farm, kind of a small farm, you know, my dad grew up on a farm and he raised sheep when, when, uh, when I was small, it's all part of farm life.
Shawn (10:26): Hmm. Um, wow. Uh, I come from the kind of suburbs that you probably see on TV, uh, houses right next to each other, you know, all in a row, um, you know, concrete streets, lights, electricity, all that cool stuff, paper boys, you know, uh, what you would maybe, maybe what Japanese would, would think about as the typical American suburb, uh, neighborhood. Um, so did you go to the arcade or the comic store for fun?
Barney (10:56): I never could.
Shawn (10:58): You never could?
Barney (10:58): I lived so far away.
Shawn (11:00): Even in high school?
Barney (11:02): Ah, in high school? Yeah. When I, when I started driving, um, yeah. Then I would go to other people's houses for fun, but yeah. Um, I think the arcade was closed by then.
Shawn (11:11): Yeah. Yeah. Arcades didn't last very long in United States, the eighties basically. But, but your tractor went so slow. It did take you a long time to get to the other places, right?
Barney (11:21): As long as I had that orange triangle on the back, it was road ready.
Shawn (11:25): The Amish passed you by. "Oh, brother James!"
Barney (11:30): Yeah. But uh, yeah, the, um, the county below ours is actually the county that has the highest percentage of Amish people, um, in the world. So we have, we're actually well familiar with lots of Amish people in, in, uh, around our town.
Shawn (11:47): They play their music really loud too. Don't they,
Barney (11:49): Amish people are only allowed to play harmonica.
Shawn (11:53): Really?
Barney (11:54): Yeah.
Shawn (11:56): Why?
Barney (11:57): Not sure why. Exactly. But that's the only instrument that...
Shawn (12:00): The guitar is the devil's music.
Barney (12:02): Well, it's a little too modern.
Shawn (12:05): Oh my gosh. Yeah. Using acoustics! Um, and, and could you just describe for our listeners, what are the Amish people?
Barney (12:14): Okay. Um, and I actually might get into this in the family tree episode too, but, um, so Amish people, it's a, it's a branch of project pro- protest- pro
Shawn (12:25): Protestant?
Barney (12:27): Protestantism.
Shawn (12:27): Okay. Easy for you to say.
Barney (12:30): Yeah, right and, um, they, uh, they branched off from the Mennonites, uh, of which I am one. Um, and, uh, you know, there was disagreement, sorry, disagreement about, um, going too far. Right. Being too, too worldly.
Shawn (12:45): Ah, the Mennonites were too radical.
Barney (12:47): Too worldly, yes. Um, so Amish people, they, um, they drive, as Shawn said, they drive horse and buggies. They are not allowed to have cars, not allowed to have zippers, now allowed to have mustaches.
Shawn (12:58): Yes. Did you get that guys? They're not allowed to have zippers.
Barney (13:02): or buttons.
Shawn (13:03): Wow.
Barney (13:04): Hook and eye is the only way to go. Um, yeah. I mean, basically simple life lived--
Barney (13:10): Truly old school.
Barney (13:10): Yeah. really old school- living separated to, to, um, say in a nutshell, separate from the world.
Shawn (13:19): Wow. So they don't take part in the modern world. Basically.
Barney (13:22): No, they don't vote. They don't, um,
Shawn (13:24): They don't vote either?
Barney (13:25): No, no, no, no. They don't vote. Um, they, you know, in this day and age, you have to have an ID, so they, they do have an ID, but, but otherwise they're really, um, they don't pay taxes, um, not federal income taxes because they don't, um, I hope I'm getting this right. Um, because you know, they're, they're not, you know, what, should we start over? Should we cut this?
Shawn (13:48): No, no, it's fine. It's fine. You know, we don't know everything and, and, and don't worry about it. We'll make some mistakes and that's fine. But, uh, um, we'll cut that in post. Um, no, this is all going live, you know, we're actually live right now. Right. You didn't know that, um, say hello to our listeners. Um, of course, sorry in California. Um, we don't have any Amish, uh, for some reason they didn't get as far as the West coast. Um, probably cause horse and buggies don't travel that far. Um, what is the ethnic makeup of your hometown?
Barney (14:28): Yeah. Um.
Shawn (14:29): Why, why do you have that face?
Barney (14:31): I mean, you won't be surprised that it's predominantly white.
Shawn (14:34): Whaaaat?
Barney (14:35): Yeah, right? Yes, yes, yes.
Shawn (14:37): White people in Ohio?
Barney (14:38): Ninety percent. Yeah. I know. Um, but yeah, my high school, um, there were a number of African American students and um, Indian students, Asian students. Yeah.
Shawn (14:52): And you mean Indian as in native American?
Barney (14:54): Sorry. As in, from the country India.
Shawn (14:56): Okay. Okay. Yeah. That is confusing sometimes because in English, people can say Indian for native American or Indian for people from India. Um, Arcadia of course is Southern California. And I've been a lot of people who listen to this will be surprised at my hometown is about 60 to 65% Asian. I am the minority and I'm used to it. It's the way it's always been. At least when I was growing up. In the fifties sixties, it was predominantly white. Um, and then eventually, uh, lots of Asians, uh, because of course again, uh, nice neighborhoods, uh, good schools.
Barney (15:37): Oh right.
Shawn (15:37): So they want to live somewhere nice.
Barney (15:40): Right.
Shawn (15:40): And have good schools. So their kids getting into the best universities. Um, and so, but the areas around us are also, you know, um, the towns around us are like 50% Asian, maybe 60% Asian. Um, when I first went to Germany on vacation, I thought, "Hmm. Something's strange. I can't put my finger on it. Wait, everybody's white." I had never been someplace where the majority of people were white. Um, there are Hispanics, there are of course white people. It's about 30%. Um, my parents still live in the area. Um, yeah, but it's a nice place. Um, we, what we did for fun was we went to the local shopping mall, which is quite large. Um, it's probably the biggest, one of the neighboring cities and lots of people come there. Um, and it's just like your typical, what you'd imagine a really good looking mall now. And it's kinda like, um, I think, I hope it's nicer looking than like a big Aeon mall. Uh, now I hope, I hope, I think it's nicer, but, um, that's that size and the movie theater and a pet shop and restaurants and a food court and all that stuff. Uh, that you would have loved to have had probably.
Barney (17:08): Right, right, right. Right.
Shawn (17:09): ...in Wooster. And, uh, so what was your favorite part of your hometown or growing up in your hometown?
Barney (17:18): Oh yeah. Um, yeah, I really think even now, um, yeah, for me, the best part was, um, growing up in the country. Um, you know, we had a, a very big, uh, stream, so not, not a river, but, but not a tiny little stream. Um, and, um, yeah, we had the, the woods right behind our home and uh, yeah. And the, and the road, as you kind of alluded to, it wasn't paved.
Shawn (17:50): Oh yeah. I was joking about that, but yeah, it wasn't a paved road.
Barney (17:53): Yeah. Tar and, and, and rocks. Well, yeah. But, um, but then at the same time, nobody drove down the road, so it was very quiet. Yeah. I really liked the-- and of course you (had the) night sky, especially in the winter time. Lots of stars.
Shawn (18:12): I can't imagine that because, I can imagine it, but not where I live because, uh, there's a thing called light pollution. Of course, if you live in the city or the suburbs, there's lots of street lights and lights from houses and it, it prevents you from seeing the stars. Um, when I went to college upstate, uh, you could see the stars a lot more, but, uh, not in my hometown, my favorite things about my hometown... Um, I don't know, it's, it's a safe place to live. It was a safe place to live. Um, there's lots of things to do in that.-- well, somewhat. I mean, if you'd like the shopping mall as a teenager, I don't care about it now, but, uh, back then, you know, that's where you went. Uh, and then, uh, there's uh.. Pasadena, which is a very nice city in Southern California, right next door. Um, we have the Arboretum, which is this huge botanical garden kind of park. And, uh, it was originally the estate of the person who founded our hometown. And it was -- our hometown was originally a ranch owned by a guy named Lucky Baldwin. And eventually it got smaller and smaller and smaller the actual property. And, um, there's a famous cottage on the, on the property of the Arboretum, which was used in a TV show called Fantasy Island.
Barney (19:35): Right.
Shawn (19:36): And in my neighborhood, uh, peacocks roam the street. You don't have peacocks in your neighborhood?
Barney (19:43): My neighbor, um, about half mile, the other way, he actually had peacocks, um, when I was growing up. And I still remember when I was kid, you know, not the middle of the night, but you know, after, after dusk, "heeelp."
Shawn (19:58): Yeah. It sounds like "help."
Barney (20:00): And I'm like, "Dad, somebody needs help out there."
Shawn (20:03): Nope. It's just a peacock. And, uh, I remember there was a time when I would feed the peacocks in front of my house. I found out later, you're not supposed to, but at one time maybe I counted 20 peacocks on my front lawn, which is a little bit too much, but you see them in the neighborhood. And it's really nice with the long feathers and spring, when they're trying to attract mates, they spread out their feathers. It was a nice neighborhood. My grandmother used to call it a nice, the perfect neighborhood because she said it was not too rich, not too poor. Now it's too rich for me. But, uh, you know, that's what happens when you have people come in and buy houses because they liked the neighborhood and the schools and everything else that, um, but it was a generally a very nice place to grow up. I except for being very hot.
Barney (20:53): Yeah.
Shawn (20:54): You know?
Barney (20:55): Yeah. Yeah. About, about the peacocks. Do you know where they introduced or were there
Shawn (20:59): Yeah, they were on the original, Lucky Baldwin, Ranch bought by Lucky Baldwin, the guy who founded the town and, uh, um, but it's, it's, it's a nice town. Um, and it also has the Santa Anita racetrack, which is a famous horse racing track.
Barney (21:16): Right.
Shawn (21:16): Um, although I don't like gambling, it's, it's nice to see the horses there. Um, and yeah, a golf course, some other things, uh, yeah, but it's a, it's a nice suburb. Uh, probably one that I could never afford to buy a house in now, but, uh, it was a good place to grow up. Although I certainly wouldn't have minded, uh, growing up in the countryside. Um, uh, now my kids are growing up in Narita and we have, uh, rice fields and a forest behind our house, a few, like a couple of blocks away from our house. So it's a lot of fun to take them there, especially in February and March when we couldn't go anywhere. And there weren't many people around there, so it's great. And there's the river. It also in Narita. So, uh, I like where we are now. I liked where we are, where I was, I grew up, but, um, yeah, it was a generally a good experience. Oh, I almost forgot. Um, are there any famous people from your hometown?
Barney (22:19): Yeah, surprisingly, um, more than I thought I was aware of, um, of, uh, Duncan Jones,
Shawn (22:28): Who's that?
Barney (22:28): Uh, David Bowie's son,
Shawn (22:31): David boy's son, David Bowie was a singer in the seventies, eighties and nineties
Barney (22:35): Oh, boy. I loved David, David Bowie so much. Um, he went to the College of Wooster. Um, our, our college is actually very, very well known, um, for liberal arts school.
Shawn (22:45): I think he went on to be a movie director and he directed Moon. I believe.
Barney (22:50): Duncan Jones.
Barney (22:50): Yes. Very good movie. By the way. Uh, you might have to look up the Japanese title [月に囚われた男], but Moon in English.
Barney (22:56): And I'm John Dean of Richard Nixon fame.
Shawn (23:01): Oh yeah. Okay. Uh, John Dean, I believe was the, was he the attorney general for Richard Nixon? He's a good guy, now. Um, you guys might want to look up, uh, Richard Nixon, president Richard Nixon and John Dean for back when presidents, presidents were only a little bit corrupt.
Barney (23:21): Yeah. Um, and we're actually held to it. [Held accountable]
Shawn (23:24): Yes, yes. Yes. Let me see here. Famous people.
Barney (23:27): You must have a lot.
Shawn (23:28): No, not, not so many. Um, you know, like a few minor, uh, athletes that I've never heard of. Um, uh, maybe the most famous person was Michael Anthony, who was the bassist for the band Van Halen.
Barney (23:44): Oh yeah.
Shawn (23:45): Uh, Van Halen was a big rock band in the eighties and nineties.
Barney (23:48): Right.
Shawn (23:49): And, uh, formed by two brothers, the Van Halen brothers, who were from the town next door to us.
Barney (23:55): That's cool.
Shawn (23:55): And the bassist went to our school. Um, but other than that, um, Stevie Nicks, a singer for a popular group called Fleetwood Mac, um, also went to our high school for one year, um, recently, um, the figure skater, Mirai Nagasu who was in the Olympics. Um, she's from my high school and her parents have a nice Japanese restaurant on the main street that I used to go to. I had no idea that she was famous. And one day I walked into the store or the restaurant and she was like running around the block. She looked like she was 12 at the time or something. I said, wow, your daughter really loves running. Doesn't she? And he says, yes, yes, she does. He never let me knew that she was a famous figure skater at the time.
Barney (24:45): That that was really part of her training.
Shawn (24:48): I found out later. She was in a, I think it was either Vancouver or the Olympics after that, perhaps
Barney (24:54): The most recent one as well.
Shawn (24:57): Sochi, maybe I don't that make sense? I don't know. But, uh, uh, obviously a very good figure skater-- never got a medal in the Olympics, but still,
Barney (25:06): No, not yet. I think she's probably still young enough.
Shawn (25:09): No, no, no. That ship as sailed, you know, but anyway, uh, not too many famous people, but enough. Um, uh, the owner of the Los Angeles Kings the sports team, Bruce McNall, the one who eventually went to prison was from Arcadia. Yay. Prison. Yeah.
Barney (25:29): You gotta be famous for something.
Shawn (25:30): Um, let me see, uh, Jet Li.
Barney (25:33): Oh really?
Shawn (25:33): Ah, he's not from Arcadia. Yeah. But he used to live in Arcadia, the famous, uh, martial arts and movie star. But a lot of other people, uh, some baseball pitchers, uh, Oh, uh, Wil Wheaton from Star Trek [The Next Generation], but you won't know him.
Barney (25:49): Um, he, he is a recurring, not character, but they, they mentioned him a number of times on a, um, Big Bang Theory. Yeah. Yeah. Sheldon's nemesis.
Shawn (26:00): Yes. He's, he's made a good life. Um, Big Bang Theory is a TV show that you guys might want to watch on Netflix or Amazon. I believe it's on many platforms and it's probably the most popular, um, comedy, uh, we call them sitcoms in the United States of the last 10 years.
Barney (26:17): Right. Yeah. Netflix, Netflix had to pay an arm and a leg to get it. Didn't they?
Shawn (26:22): Yes. That means they had to play-- they had to pay a lot of money. Yeah. Well, I think this is as good a place of any to end this. Uh, we hope that you enjoyed listening to us talk about our hometowns. Uh, we'd love to hear about your hometown sometime. Uh, so if you catch us eventually on campus or, or in Zoom--
Barney (26:45): after a Zoom class. Yeah.
Barney (26:46): Yes, yes. Uh, we'd love to hear about your hometowns and we hope you enjoyed our talk, uh, Barney, any last thoughts? Yes.
Barney (26:54): Yes, of course. Thanks for listening as always. And don't forget the educational materials are always on the site for you to challenge yourself to, um, and you can always submit questions, uh, comments, and, uh, the Amish do pay taxes. They just don't pay social security.
Shawn (27:11): I knew it!
Barney (27:13): Thank you.
Shawn (27:14): Fake news! We will be featuring your questions in future podcasts, by the way, we have been taking some of your interesting questions and, uh, we will feature some, uh, some of them at the end of each of our podcasts.
Barney (27:27): A lot of them could be shows of their own.
Shawn (27:30): All right. All right guys, until next time.
Barney (27:35): Thank you.
Shawn (27:35): Bye for now!