In Pathfinder, in the feat description for Point-blank shot it only mentions that the feat grants a +1 bonus to attack and damage. Does that -4 penalty for using a ranged weapon in melee still exist?
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In the Weird Words Bard ability thread it was clarified that Point Blank Shot would work on it. It isn't listed as a ray, is a ranged touch attack, and deals hit point damage. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) _Ozy_ Mar 24, 2015, 04:42 pm Work on it specifically? Or work for all range touch spells?
Ok... so since this is something I have to be able to point to from you Sean or the PDT FAQ in order to use it in PFS, as some GMs have been applying the penalty for firing into melee, but not allowing us to get the bonus to damage for things like point blank shot, Inspire courage, etc.
Point Blank Shot gives a +1 to hit for those spells (and +1 damage if they do HP damage) within 30'. Things that increase "to hit" with weapons (Weapon Focus, Haste, Bless, etc.) would increase your chance at hitting with such spells. Things that increase "damage" with weapons (Inspire Courage, Divine Favor, etc.) increase your damage with such spells IF they deal hit point damage.
And for the OP (same source/page):
"Point Blank Shot: You get a +1 bonus on attack rolls and damage rolls with ranged spells that deal hit point damage at ranges of up to 30 feet. Spells that deal only ability damage, bestow penalties on ability scores, or deal energy drain gain a +1 bonus on their attack rolls but get no bonus on damage."
I think the point trying to be made is that Pathfinder was built on the 3.5 rule set. Many of the things in the Core Rulebook are literal copy/paste from 3.5. They specifically changed some aspects (all for the better I might add :) ) but some of the core rules, they did not. When left with no specific changes, that leads us to believe they were not changed specifically so they remained the same (something people already knew about). In the absence of a change, we are left with two possibilities. A). It is the same as it was or B). There is no rule anymore and we can't successfully play a game that mentions it without spelling it out. A lot of people go with option A, thus occasional 3.5 quotes on issues that Pathfinder is silent about.I'm not saying its right, or that I agree (I try to ignore 3.5 as much as possible to be honest), but that doesn't make their points less valid or "not talking about the same game".
You can even take weapon focus/specialization in rays. Just wanted to point out that you would still get the attack roll bonus on enervation and ray of exhaustion (just no damage bonus). AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Canthin Mar 25, 2015, 12:39 pm _Ozy_ wrote: I don't own the 3.5 rules, I don't play with the 3.5 rules, I don't care about the 3.5 rules, and finally, this is not the message board for the 3.5 rules.
You can even take weapon focus/specialization in rays. Just wanted to point out that you would still get the attack roll bonus on enervation and ray of exhaustion (just no damage bonus). Yes, sorry. Truncated a bit too much, but you are correct. AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) _Ozy_ Mar 25, 2015, 12:41 pm And I've heard equally as many times, from the devs, that the 3.5 rules don't apply.
Other than web posts by SKR etc, no.If you sit at my PFS table, I feel comfortable saying I'm following RAW and that your Weapon Focus (Ray) works on everything ranged touch whether or not it is named as a Ray.
Like splash weapons? Alchemist bomb attack? AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) Calth Mar 25, 2015, 06:47 pm _Ozy_ wrote: James Risner wrote: claudekennilol wrote: So if this comes up for PFS, where do I point to that's official for an answer? Other than web posts by SKR etc, no.If you sit at my PFS table, I feel comfortable saying I'm following RAW and that your Weapon Focus (Ray) works on everything ranged touch whether or not it is named as a Ray.
Like splash weapons? Alchemist bomb attack? Alchemist bombs are their own weapon category. But yes, you can take weapon focus(bomb). AUC.register('auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay'); AjaxBusy.register('masked', 'busy', 'auc_MessageboardPostRowDisplay', null, null) _Ozy_ Mar 25, 2015, 07:26 pm I'm well aware that you can do it with bombs, I was just wondering if weapon focus (ranged touch ) applied to all ranged touch attacks, or should it read weapon focus (ranged touch attacks from spells and spell like abilities).
You can choose to say "It doesn't say that in the RAW so I won't use it." I'm fine with you reading the RAW to prohibit it. But you need to be fine with the fact many GM's won't agree. I believe the RAW is good enough to conclude that Inspire Courage and Point Blank Shot work with any spell or effect that has an attack roll and deals damage. I definitely agree with you. But what's the point of so many devs saying it if they aren't willing to put it in the book? Not everyone reads the forums and knows what the devs are thinking. A lot of PFS gms aren't even aware of many of the FAQs that are posted--how are they supposed to be aware of random posts made by random devs?I find it interesting that only one person has hit the FAQ button. Obviously so many people assume it as fact, but so far it's really just random clarifications and really needs to be errata'd.
I wanted to know where it was stated as rules. Apparently it's not--that was the point of this thread (i.e. to specifically find where the rules support this). I can run it however I want (as it's supposed to be). But a PFS gm is completely in his right to say no because the rules never come out and say it. And then my sorcerer/wizard/whatever with Point-Blank Shot has just wasted a feat because there is nothing printed to support that PBS should work with non-ray spells that still have a to hit roll/do damage.
Point-blank shot obviously works with everything ranged within 30ft... it's the root of the feat tree... to claim it won't work with something that's not specifically a weapon would thus invalidate any other ranged feat down the line (such as Precise Shot)
All weapons deal hit point damage. This damage is subtracted from the current hit points of any creature struck by the weapon. When the result of the die roll to make an attack is a natural 20 (that is, the die actually shows a 20), this is known as a critical threat (although some weapons can score a critical threat on a roll of less than 20). If a critical threat is scored, another attack roll is made, using the same modifiers as the original attack roll. If this second attack roll is equal or greater than the target's AC, the hit becomes a critical hit, dealing additional damage.
Can you say PBS applies? Yes. Can you say that rules indicate that. No (but if you can, please show me where because that's what I'm looking for). That's my entire point, that the book doesn't say it does--and the FAQs don't either. That's all I've got to say on the matter.
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