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Mel puts it rightly here. This must be about disruptive and anti-Wikipedian behaviour and not beliefs. No we don't know the motives - but that goes for any common or garden troll or vandal - we have to judge the likely effect of the behaviour. Frankly, differentiating between what is done inside or outside wikipedia is just wikilawyering. Most organisations recognise 'behaviour which brings the organisation into disrepute', or is 'incompatible with participation' - even if done 'off duty'. --Doc (?) 10:39, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

My second thought is that, in cases like this, it would have been enormously helpful if the block had been documented better, for reasons of transparency and accountability. When this user was first blocked on the 19th of August by HOTR, the reason given was "neo-nazi Troll soliciting other trolls off of Stormfront". It was only a week later the "personal attacks putting users in danger" clause emerged explicitly as the solid justification for the block; this reason should have been given straight away. Moreover, it would have helped to provide links to, or better still, quotes from Amalekite's statements on StormFront. To an admin reviewing the block, it's not immediately obvious even that, say, Amalekite and Alex Linder and Frank Sinatra are the same person. It's easy to review contributions to Wikipedia, but off-site is a different matter; I believe some of the StormFront postings were deleted or modified during the course of this debate, so quotes are a good idea.

The passage in question: However, if you're going to join in on editing the Mullins article (which I hope you do), follow the rules of the place - no insults or personal attacks, no Jew-bashing (though they so richly deserve it), try to keep a Neutral Point-of-View (NPOV), and stay cool, no matter how hard they push your buttons. Otherwise, you'll blow your lid and they'll just resort to the classic trick of labelling you an "anti-Semite" or a "neo-Nazi" and using that as a pretext for censoring everything you say. This reminds me of a spy film, in which our heroes, the white supremacists, are undercover in the dangerous Jew-infested Wikipedia: "follow NPOV or you'll blow our cover!" I think it's clear that Frank Sinatra is saying that they should go through all the motions of following the rules, while sneakily countering the so-called Jewish influence on articles. (Also, I'm somewhat disappointed I didn't make the list of elders.) Aside from that, I think it's also possible that Mr. Sinatra is a troll, and not a white supremacist at all. I am led to believe this by the following snippet from the thread: Maybe it's the same thing as when niggers call each other "nigger" (of course, calling each other "nigger" doesn't change the fact that they're, well, niggers, and as such, are about 10 times more likely than a white person to commit a violent criminal offense). Maybe we should start calling each "honkey" and "gringo"? What say you, honkey? Andre (talk) 19:19, August 30, 2005 (UTC)

This is a request for a clarification of this policy from someone who is more familiar with its intent than I am. Should an admin be allowed to block permanently or indefinitely a user whom two admins agree is a troll? This user in question is currently the subject of a user conduct RfC. I consider the user to be bizarre. Other editors have characterized him as a troll. However, I disagree with the idea that an admin should be able to block him indefinitely. I see that admins may block named users or IP addresses for vandalism, 3RR, personal attacks, or threats. I do not see "being a troll" as a reason for an admin to block a user indefinitely. If the troll engages in vandalism or personal attacks, the troll can be blocked for that purpose. It was my understanding that the ArbCom was the primary means to deal with trolls. If that is an admin function, then perhaps we can discuss whether that gives 500 admins too much power. Robert McClenon 19:10, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

We have never been able to agree on what a "troll" is. Therefore, we have never been able to agree on blocking policies related to "trolls" and "trolling." Many "trolling" behaviors are policy violations and, particularly when a user has made no constructive edits, a case for a block can be made based on this. Less clear cases go to the AC. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 10:49, 4 September 2005 (UTC) 17dc91bb1f

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