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Perhaps it's not having had dreams of, or having played at, being a soldier, sailor or similar but my memory of the book is thinking "this world/galaxy is horrible but this political system is worse" although I enjoyed some of the ideas in whatever their moral indoctrination classes were called. I didn't have the language back then (I last read it sometime in my teens), but today I still occasionally look back and think of them when I see people reframing (or refusing to reframe) history. The furore around Winston Churchill where Britain's generally older and more right-wing figures stridently object to any acknowledgement of things he patently did wrong while more progressive members of the historian profession are saying "he was undoubtedly a great wartime leader, and should be lauded for that, and also for doing that while dealing with his mental health difficulties but..." Reframing the Crusades as purely about population pressure "but you have to dig deeply to prove it" remains with me as clearly as another author and "the rule of five" and the picture of the child born with six fingers.

There's other daftness, not including the starships. Battlefield micronukes? I don't think it's possible for a human with a jetpack to outrun the smallest useful nuke, AFAIK. While yes, with unlimited energy the human could go fast enough, battle armor's not exactly streamlined enough to go supersonic without generating a lot of heat and turbulence. And figuring out which posture to accelerate--Standing up? Sitting? without the grunt passing out--is another one of those fun and interesting conundrums.

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ha, starship troopers, that book does bring back some memories. Twas' in 1974, I had brought two books with me on vacation at the seaside, ST and The three stigmatas of Palmer Eldritch. At the time, one of my main concerns was how to avoid being drafted (In peacetime, little risk of being shot at, but I didn't fancy spending one year being ordered about by the stupidest people on Earth)Heinlein's ludicrous militarism and bullshit politics didn't go down well with me, yet the book was somewhat readable and luckily quite short, so I didn't fling it into the sea, though I was tempted to do so at times. Philip K Dick's book was great, still one of my favorites.

stirner @ 235: ha, starship troopers, that book does bring back some memories. Twas' in 1974, I had brought two books with me on vacation at the seaside, ST and The three stigmatas of Palmer Eldritch. At the time, one of my main concerns was how to avoid being drafted (In peacetime, little risk of being shot at, but I didn't fancy spending one year being ordered about by the stupidest people on Earth)

Heinlein's ludicrous militarism and bullshit politics didn't go down well with me, yet the book was somewhat readable and luckily quite short, so I didn't fling it into the sea, though I was tempted to do so at times.

Philip K Dick's book was great, still one of my favorites.

Much ink has been spilled on Golden Age SF failing to foresee miniaturized electronics. Rather less has been spilled (but should!) on its utter disregard of energy source, and Heinlein was one of the worst offenders. In "Methuselah's Children" a starship takes off from the Moon, lands on Earth, takes up 100,000(!) refugees, takes off again and leaves the Solar System -- all without refueling of any kind, and apparently without pesky issues like air resistance.

In "Methuselah's Children" a starship takes off from the Moon, lands on Earth, takes up 100,000(!) refugees, takes off again and leaves the Solar System -- all without refueling of any kind, and apparently without pesky issues like air resistance.

It's a very old problem. IMO the most frequent crime against plausibility in Jules Verne's works is that his standard magic energy source is plain old electrochemical cells. One of his stories he has a whole town, and then the surrounding countryside also, finding that all the people are getting unusually lively and bouncy, because the atmosphere over a huge area is having its oxygen concentration greatly increased by some bloke electrolysing huge quantities of water using a battery-powered plant in his shed. Even in Verne's day chemistry was more than far enough advanced to make it obvious that the energy imbalance of such an idea is well beyond silly, and he has plenty of other stories which are nearly as far out the window on exactly the same point.

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