The screamers are three South American bird species placed in family Anhimidae. They were thought to be related to the Galliformes because of similar bills, but are more closely related to the family Anatidae, i.e. ducks and allies,[1][2] and the magpie goose,[3] within the clade Anseriformes. The clade is exceptional within the living birds in lacking uncinate processes of ribs.[4] The three species are: The horned screamer (Anhima cornuta); the southern screamer or crested screamer (Chauna torquata); and the northern screamer or black-necked screamer (Chauna chavaria).

Screamers have a poor fossil record. A putative Eocene specimen is known from Wyoming, while the more modern Chaunoides antiquus is known from the late Oligocene to early Miocene in Brazil. Anhimids are most similar to presbyornithids, with which they form a clade to the exclusion of the rest of Anseriformes. Given the presence of lamelae in the otherwise fowl-like beaks of screamers, it is even possible that they evolved from presbyornithid-grade birds, reverting from a filter-feeding lifestyle to an herbivorous one.[5]


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The three species occur only in South America, ranging from Colombia to northern Argentina. The horned screamer was once present on the Caribbean island of Trinidad, but is now extirpated from there. They are large, bulky birds, with a small downy head, long legs and large feet which are only partially webbed. They have large spurs on their wings which are used in fights over mates and territorial disputes;[2] these can break off in the breast of other screamers, and are regularly renewed. Unlike ducks, they have a partial moult and are able to fly throughout the year.[2] They live in open areas and marshes with some grass and feed on water plants. One species, the southern screamer, is considered a pest as it raids crops and competes with farm birds.

Both the southern and the horned screamer remain widespread and are overall fairly common.[6][7] In contrast, the northern screamer is relatively rare and consequently considered near threatened.[8] They are seldom hunted, in spite of their conspicuous nature, because their flesh has a spongy texture and is riddled with air-sacs, making it highly unpalatable.[citation needed] The main threats are habitat destruction and increased intensification of agriculture.[8]

In the world of regional foods, the Fluff Screamer from Tony's Lunch in PA is easily one of the weirdest ones we've ever made, and certainly one I didn't even want to try. The name is because well, there's marshmallow fluff involved (the weird part) and hot chili (the screamer part). But I'm here to tell you it really surprised me cuz it works. Don't get me wrong, it's still weird, but it's honestly good.

Hey guys, Today we have a comparison and sound test to see just how close the Helix technology can get to the real thing. We are comparing the Ibanez TS 808 Tube Screamer to the Line 6 Scream 808 pedal model. Spoiler, it sounds pretty indistinguishable. I recorded a couple riffs, first with the Ibanez TS808 Tube Screamer and then with the Line 6 Scream 808 model inside of Helix or in this case, the HX Stomp. The riffs are taken from my latest single, NAHR-SU-SIZ-EM, which can be found on Spotify, Apple Music, Bandcamp, and everywhere music is sold or streamed.

That was pretty cool, great work. You answered my only question more towards the end. I could see the tone setting on the pedal but not on the Helix pedal. My only question was if the Helix version had a wider range on the tone knob (or others) if it was a true 1:1 ration between them or if the 0-10 range on the analog pedal was more like 1-8 on the Helix and the 8-10 range gave you 'extra' being that its digital and it can be manipulated.

My only question was if the Helix version had a wider range on the tone knob (or others) if it was a true 1:1 ration between them or if the 0-10 range on the analog pedal was more like 1-8 on the Helix and the 8-10 range gave you 'extra' being that its digital and it can be manipulated.

I have owned and played several Tube Screamers in my lifetime... I have NEVER had two of them sound/react the same on the same settings. We will never experience the exact tube screamer Line 6 used for it's modeling (other than the model itself)... so direct 1-1 comparisons often mean nothing. (this applies to almost everything in the Helix)

That said.... tube screamers (with a few setting tweaks) can be made to sound pretty much the same... and this video is proof once again that it can also be done with a "digital" tube screamer. The difference was no different that two different tube screamers... and in a blind test I would NEVER have known which was which.

i agree fully with what your saying regarding analog vs analog comparisons...and to further that, trying to match 'my' TS808' to the version modeled in the Helix and whatever one they modeled...your absolutely right.

My 1:1 comment was more of a dig/comment on the Axe FX side. I dont know if the II or the III they came out with are more 1:1 matches regarding knob response/ranges, but in the original versions the amps/pedals often had a wider range of effect to allow you to do things not possible in the analog world. Sometimes good, sometimes bad, but it made it harder at times to mimic rigs and setups you wanted to emulate or recreate. If they had a TS808 with the gain on 9:00, tone at 2:00 and output on 3:00....its easy to assume maybe the pedal version is set to 3/7/8.5 respectively??? But then when translating that to the Axe Fx because 1-10 on the analog pedal really was 3-7, it made it harder to guess where the 3/7/8.5 really was, referring to my example. Thats all.

So I bought some climbing gear from a close friend and with it came some various load reducing devices (see picture below). As I understand, these are mostly screamers made by yates and they seem either a bit old or maybe just dirty. Given that these are made of nylon (i presume), should I retire them?


Also I was wondering if these are still useful or have they been deemed obsolete? The kind of climbing I am doing/plan to do is a lot of trad/ice/mixed as well as alpine/glacier travel. What is everyone's thoughts on the aubject of screamers? Like em, love em, hate em? Bring it on!

You'll hear opinions all over the board in regard to ice pro. I choose to carry screamers. Reason being, screw strength is variable. Ice protection is dependant on a good quality placement in good quality ice.


Some folks think that screamers aren't worth the weight or bulk, that a well placed screw is bomber enough. And I'd agree. However, that's not when I'm concerned- I tend to push myself and often end up well above manky placements. Sometimes you have no choice but to drive a screw into aerated ice or tie-off a stubby and hope for the best. Even if a screamer were to reduce a load on a screw by 5 pounds, that might be enough to prevent a failure.


Also, you don't need to carry a full set, I only own 4. A screamer on your first piece could help reduce overall load on the system (especially single pitch). I use screamers in cruxy areas too, although I'll leave them at home when on moderates.


Considering you already have them, and how expensive they are, they could be a valuable addition to your ice kit.

Not really useful for free climbing on rock unless it's roped soloing. If used wisely, they can be useful in aid climbing. I've heard that they are good for ice to mitigate force melting, but I'm not really well educated about ice climbing.


IMO the friction/heat based force reduction runners seem to work more consistently and may not carry some of the negative side effects of the screamer. Plus you can get multiple uses out of some of those.

Sweet guys, thanks for all the responses! Seems like most of you guys prefer these for ice climbing, but given that I have so many, and I won't be moving to somewhere where I can ice climb until after I graduate from school, I am considering selling some of these off. Would anyone be interested in buying a few? PM me if you are, or I might just make a post in the for sale section. I might keep five or so for personal use but I could use the extra pocket cash.

Kong kisa is one example of them. Basically they are slings that are run through a plate with holes kind of like a rigging plate, except the spacing and size of the holes are designed to create a lot of friction. This friction is supposed to dissipate energy in the form of heat.


Here's a link to the kisa -products/items/f8-ferrata-kit/p326-kisa


I recall seeing one that used a nylon/dyneema blend sling a few years ago. The sling was designed to be used for this up to 5 times before it was too damaged by glazing/melting to be reused anymore.

It's because they're two different things. One question is does the screamer lower impact forces on a system that doesn't blow, allowing the screamer to do its thing. The other is does the screamer lower the impact on a marginal piece fast enough so that it doesn't blow.

"Our limited testing does show, however, that a Screamer (or similar energy absorbing device) could reduce the peak force that the piece is subjected to by up to 26%....The bottom line is: they do work to reduce the peak force applied to the piece of gear in the system" 152ee80cbc

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