On this trip, we will have a chance to absorb a culture on an island that is rich in history and has had its culture preserved, due in part to the isolation as a Communist state in this hemisphere. This is a unique opportunity to join a small group of easygoing and open-minded travelers exploring a rapidly changing country that has been inaccessible to most U.S. citizens for over half a century in ways not available to mainstream tourists.

DeDe: Yes, I am DeDe Anderson, I am a certified life coach through the Life Coach School. I help women learn how to stop merely surviving and start thriving in their life. And I am just about to launch a group program called The Power of Self-Love and Acceptance.


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Now I realize I probably lost your [inaudible 00:08:31]. So I came to the States when I was young, we moved around a bit. The bridge I make is that... To the work I do today, which I can talk about is that those early days were really important. One to be an observer, because I realized when you're young you're taking in a lot of things, you're taking in different cultures. So I've spent a lot of time observing and absorbing, and in some ways in a non-judgmental fashion. Right? Being very open to any type of person it's all new, it's all different. Also being a bit of a, I called it like the translator or the bridge. Right? Being able to kind of see how in one setting in a classroom or in a mall or something. How people behave and explain what those behaviors meant to a household or a family where we had very different kind of ways of working and being. Right? So going back and forth, that became a natural... I'm a firstborn as well.

I just loved when you said that 'cause I've always felt that way when I came out. I was like, huh. So I did this personal thing, I made this sort of personal choice to love who I love. But then I was plopped into this movement really, and I was like oh my goodness. So now the implications of how the world is going to see me are all over here and now I have to understand what have I joined? What have I become a part of? What have I entered that now I sort of inherit all of that? As I walk through the world, it's something I'm going to need to navigate but it was almost... Not that it was a joy, it wasn't. But I was going to say it was a little odd because you never realize sort of the far-reaching implications of identity, and that's one of those things we learn as we grow older. I would take up the mantle and I would absolutely jump all in as an advocate and be extremely proud.

Well it's a little bit of I mean you can know who you are but you might see yourself... We're all the protagonists in our stories, we're only with ourselves. Right? So we're walking through, we're living our lives and it's when somebody else all of a sudden starts to tell you who you are. Or kind of assign some identity or put you into a group where now you ask these questions like well, okay. Yes, maybe that's a big... I think I had mentioned to you race wasn't a big topic in my house growing up. Right? It just wasn't. It was not really a thing that was talked about at the table. We didn't talk about kind of history, a history of or kind of structural or institutional racism and that was in part. Because we had come from a country where our challenges, and we certainly had kind of issues of colonialism and what that meant for our identity and kind of becoming independent from the Brits. But this concept or this notion of kind of race in our daily lives and how kind of racism might show up in our daily lives.

It was one the beginning of starting to see myself and see race as a thing that was going to be something to explore and to hold and to identify and to call, all of that. Right? But it's interesting that it wasn't the case for the first years of my life. Because I hadn't had that, I hadn't had somebody else telling me. It's interesting when you start and that happens, how you then start to adjust and respond to now kind of an external environment. Right?

That's right, and we'll get to that in a bit. I mean subsequently take us through the different fields and degrees that you got and sort of went into. I'm curious how acutely aware were you of how you were being perceived, how unusual you were or not in each successive field? Because you have several degrees. So you have many [inaudible 00:16:57], I think four careers or something but [inaudible 00:17:00] quite amazing. But tell me about each of them and how did your advocacy and your ability to look at the system you were in and your advocacy within it. How did that begin to shape? Because that seems to be a theme throughout every role you've ever had and continue to have today.

But then I eventually ended up going to pursue global health and development in epidemiology, and I think part of that was this bridge between one I come from a family of healthcare professionals. So there's always kind of an interest in health and then this idea around people systems and communities and why is it that... Health is something that we should all have access to, right? I mean if there's skilled providers of it, why don't we all have access to it the same? So I really became interested in what were the underpinnings of a community or of a society that would make some communities thrive and others not? Particularly through the lens of health development. So my first of a few careers was actually more focused on public health and equity internationally and then I moved back to Ghana to do that work, and over time the States was calling. I came back and we continued to do work in the healthcare space. But really kind of taking it out of global health and doing it focused on women's health.

I think the idea was that when I was getting my masters, I realized that the piece around... It's one thing to observe and identify, right? Both in inequity in a system, identify social structures and even think about ways to intervene. But without a real strong platform for advocacy you may be able to impact maybe one person here, one place there. But how do you have the most impact, right? How do you have the loudest voice? How do you influence, not just in the provision of care in my clinic but at a government level. Right? Or at an inter-government level, right? So that idea of that notion of advocacy became really important to me. It's almost you've been given the gift to observe and understand something and can see ways to address it, then it's a failure if you don't then do something to advocate for that solution. Because not everybody will have the gift of being able to have seen it and thought through, so if you know that you have to do something with it is how I felt.

Yes. I'd love to say that it was this beautiful, yes. I'm very much focused on equity and health and justice and advocacy. But we're human, right? So I like to make sure that everybody always knows all the pieces. The other reality is when you're 20 something and you're in New York and you're like oh my gosh, how am I going to pay for law school? Or oh my gosh, I need to live right? It's not this beautiful linear path. It was okay, I'm also going to work at a big law firm because I need to pay for my rent. Right? I did practice at a big law firm for some time and I credit that actually with kind of bringing also more rigor and an analytical eye to what ultimately would be work I would end up in. Also, a way of actually being in different rooms that you wouldn't normally be in.

Sure. So today I work at a firm Egon Zehnder which is a leadership advisory firm, right? Our kind of mission, we really are focused on leadership for a better world. Which it's like how can you not want to be a part of that? Yet my interest when I came and what I discovered and why I like this work is that we're a firm that works across sectors. Where many firms like ours that work across industries that work across the for-profit, not for profit, public, civil society with a common thread of really trying to identify, unpack, develop kind of leadership to make us all better. That can be with individuals, one on one, that can be with leadership teams, with CEOs, with boards. So I do a lot of work with executive officers and with boards in addition to leading the diversity, equity and inclusion practice for us here in the US. I think one of my motivations for coming here was actually kind of the almost the falling into or the discovery through a former role that I had with the startup.

Because I told you Dede I'm the speaker for my high school graduation next month and I said, "I really want to encourage the building of the bridges." I see my role that way too, but how can we create more bridge builders? Because I do think that's the work. It is absolutely loving your island and finding your people on your island for sure. But at some point you got to pick your head up and say, but the greater good, the sort of 2.0 version of all this is leaving the shore. Leaving the safety of the shore and embarking on a bridge that you are not sure how you're going to build. That you don't know what the other side looks like and there's a lot of uncertainty in being the bridge people, but that's part of the fun.

I think so. So if we look at the space for DEI, right? Some people say you're an expert, you're not an expert, you this kind of thing. My thinking is well, if anybody was truly an expert we wouldn't be in the situation we are in right now. Because anybody who had all the answers would surely in this space truly have given them and allowed us. Right? So this is a space that continues to grow and evolve, [inaudible 00:30:18]. Right? So therefore what do we do as leaders to continue to learn and grow and sharpen our own tools and then serve as kind of again those bridges in communities or organizations. Right? But when I think about some of this... So when I think about a lot of this work. It's not like you have the backpack of answers and you're at this island and there's the bridge and you're just going to cross the bridge and you're going to give the backpack to the next island. It's a little bit like, is it Indiana Jones? When you get there and you're not sure? 006ab0faaa

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