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EHE: Yes. In almost comic ways, so I agree that there is this sense in the public, that, and amongst scientists, that there is a disdain for talking about religion perhaps in university communities and particularly in science. So when we did our study, we would actually go to these universities, and this is a highly confidential study, so we said to the people that we interviewed for our study that we won't, you know, say that you participated in the study, we won't tell people who you are, and so we would do this kind of funny thing where we would you know, interview someone in their faculty office, and then we'd have an interview maybe the next hour with someone who's next door, and I would kind of you know, go around to a different way, come back and enter the buildings so they wouldn't see me walking in and out of both offices and so you know, they could keep that information confidential that they'd even been part of this study. And it was funny. One scientist that I interviewed said, I'm very religious. She actually had materials that she was preparing to teach a Sunday school class on her desk when I walked into her office. And she said but you must, I'm so glad that this information is being kept completely confidential because I wouldn't want anyone else in my department to know that I am personally religious, and she's very committed and very involved in her Episcopal Parish. So I did my thing you know, I went to the bathroom, I took little notes in the interview, then I went downstairs, out the building and walked back in another entrance so, to interview the person who literally was in the office next door to her. And this fellow's very sad situation, his wife was very, very ill, and he was sort of starting to kind of re-discover in the midst of his own suffering, his own religion of his childhood. And he said, I'm very close to people in my department and, but I'm absolutely certain that there's no one else in my department who I could talk to about this. I'm sure that no one else in my department is religious. I was bound as a researcher not to say, why don't we stand up and walk next door and knock on the door of the woman I just interviewed, but that does show you that there is this kind of secrecy at least in a US context for talking about these things. So, it's kind of a closeted faith almost. And so there is a sense where scientists don't really talk about this very much in the scientific workplace.
EHE: So surprises of the research we started out the research in part to find out whether scientists think that there's a conflict between science and religion and in that, and I don't think that there has to be a conflict between science and religion, but I'll tell you that it's pretty widespread that the US public believes that scientists think there's a conflict between science and religion. So one of the low-hanging fruits of our study is that most scientists actually see these things as independent entities, they do not see them as having to be in conflict rather they see them as just describing different parts of the world Steven J. Gould, famous paleontologist you know, wrote about this famously as the idea of non-overlapping. The problem with that view is that religion still does come up in scientific work, it comes up when scientists meet colleagues who are religious, it comes up when the religious public brings religion into science through the political sphere you know, it comes up related to ethics, it comes up in myriad of ways, and so when scientists adopt kind of radical independence perspective, that these are different pieces of the world scientists are doing science and everything that happens in the institution of science, in university life, in laboratory, should only be about science, when it does come in then they don't have any language to talk about it, they don't have any training, they don't have any conversation of other kinds of tools. And so that's the problem practically with the independence perspective. It was still useful to find out that scientists have an independence perspective, because that's different from what the public thinks. And so that provides a kind of useful corrective where we can tell groups of religious people, scientists aren't all against you, you know. They're, and they aren't all against religion, they just think that these are different things. What was also surprising to us though, is that there is a strong minority of scientists who think that science and religion can collaborate. And we talked a few minutes ago about scientists seeing beauty and awe in their scientific work, some scientists see this as actually a religious experience, they also see the possibility that religion can even give things through their scient-- to their scientific work, that religion can provide ethical frameworks for doing scientific work well. so one scientist said to me that there's just this incredible pressure to publish one's work, we call it the publish or perish idea, and I feel that as a researcher. So scientists say there's this incredible pressure, and they said there can be so much pressure that you just want to go ahead and get your scientific work out there, you really want to cut corners with what you're doing. You're very motivated to just do whatever you can to get published, and he said, that being um this fellow is a very committed Catholic, that being a Catholic causes him to pause and to say, you know, who am I as a person, and is that really what this is about for me, this utilitarian sensibility, or is my scientific work my calling, my chance to make an impact on the world, in a way that is greater than myself, and he said that causes him to pause and to be more thoughtful about his work, and to not succumb to the institutional pressures that he faces to publish or perish. And so that's a very personal way that religion can provide a kind of moral framework. Other more public ways that scientists told us, this is all coming from the mouths of scientists themselves, scientists told us that you know, they thought a lot about ethical responsibility um of their work, and I remember you know, in India there is vast poverty as there is in all of the nations that we studied, but an Indian scientist told me that you know, or told one of our researchers that you know, she looks out her window and she literally sees children on the street who are dying of hunger. And she does work that requires very expensive technologies and she says to herself everyday, when I look outside the street and I see children dying, I had better be doing good scientific work that makes a difference with all the money that I'm spending. And so, and she said her faith gives her that kind of framework for looking at her work and looking at the world. And so, there are ways in which both the personal and public level religion can have an impact. I'm not necessarily advocating for scientists becoming religious people, but more I think that the, the really the goal of our work is to show all the ways in which they are and the ways in which they utilize religion and in the ways you know, sort of a truthful truthful description of who the scientific community really is religiously.
MG: Well, I think science, I'm not sure that's a small question but, you know... science can certainly come up with an explanation for you know, the evolution of life on Earth. And I think that evolution is, and those explanations I think are sound, you know, but what was the initial spark of life, and how did we get from that to creatures like yourself and myself, who have this incredible, any human, who has this incredible multidimensionality, of what they feel and how they express it, and you know, the evolution can get you to yeah, we've got these genes, not pants, GENES, we've got these genes, and they act in this way and these are expressed here, and that's expressed there, that doesn't get you to the myriad experiences, even within one human in a day. (LAUGH)
VH: So I focus on, my training was human genetics broadly, but I got very interested in cancer genetics as a graduate sch-- student. and it was kind of at the beginning of the whole area of cancer genetics, which was, I was really lucky to be able to kind of get into the field, sort of at the ground, not quite at the ground, sort of in the ground. In terms of what got me interested in genetics, I wandered a lot when I was in college, I must have gone through about four or five different majors initially. And I decided I was wanting to save the world and I decided the best way to save the world was to be a physician. And so I started taking science classes and I took this course, it was a little mini-course called chromosome structure and function, and unlike the didactic lecture courses, we actually read the literature, the old literature and discussed how people were able to draw the conclusions they drew and then what the next step would be, what the questions were, etc, etc. And that just got me fascinated with genetics. And I sort of, thinking about it later, sort of meshed the idea of human health with genetics, and so the genetics of human disease just became a real passion for me. And so then I, I worked for a while in the lab, I was a technician in the lab, and then went back to graduate school and I wanted to do it in human genetics. e24fc04721
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