Arlo Iron Cloud: I'm Oglala Lakota, I'm also half Dine, my father is Oglala, and my mother is Dine, and I grew up till 12 years old on the Navajo reservation, and then at about 12 or 13 we moved up here to Pine Ridge, the Pine Ridge Reservation, and that's where I've been ever since. I'm a father, I have four beautiful children, and I am married to a beautiful woman, Lakota woman, that is from the Pine Ridge Reservation, her name is Lisa, and I currently live in Rapid City, South Dakota, and we're currently moving down to the reservation again, and I've been commuting every day back and forth from the reservation so it's like a 90 mile commute one way, so a total of like 180 miles every day. I work for KILI Radio, I'm the station manager, I'm producing a documentary right now, and then I'm also doing a lot of side work with my wife, and she's helping in leading the food sovereignty movement with her work with the Tatanka bison.

Arlo Iron Cloud: The name Iron Cloud goes way back, we can identify our lineage to even past the Battle of Greasy Grass, and it's a really beautiful story, and it starts with a man who basically took on two wives, and I think what a lot of people misinterpret these days is that when a man in that time took on two wives it had nothing to do with sexuality, and I know that whenever people hear that he had two wives they're always like, "Yeah, all right!" And it's not even that at all, and I always like to educate people on this part that it was about responsibility that whenever our people needed help there was that one thing that we always had and that term is waunsila that we had this compassion, this love enough to take this also on in your life, and it was admirable. So it goes back to him where a grandma named Runs for the Hill, and Red Necklace, and they called them Tall Grandma and Short Grandma, and they were sisters, and that's who they were married to, and that's where we come from. I always like to really talk about the matriarchal part of my history because that's really the backbone of who I am today. So there was an original Iron Cloud, and that was his life, he had two wives, and he was a great man, and I would say that's, what, eight generations back? Yeah. Crazy, huh?

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Arlo Iron Cloud: KILI Radio is the beacon for communications on the Pine Ridge Reservation, social media has not kept up. Like everywhere in the world communications is super important in everybody's livelihood, and it's so taken for granted, and for us we haven't climbed down to that Iktomi's web, that worldwide web of information, we haven't climbed into it yet, the most of us haven't anyway, and KILI Radio is the hub for communications on the reservation. If you want information out you go to KILI Radio, you want to learn something you go to KILI Radio, you want to laugh, you want to enjoy yourselves, you go to KILI Radio. We've been in operation for well over 40 years, we have a birthday coming up here on February 28th, and it's just been this wonderful place, this amazing, great place that was born because we didn't want to be forgotten, or we wanted to ensure that our way of life was continued and moving forward in this new generation, and so that's why it was born. We designed our radio station so that it's owned by the people and for the people.

Arlo Iron Cloud: Right. We are heard in three states, South Dakota, Wyoming, and Nebraska, and we kick out 100,000 watts of vicious Lakota airwaves, that's what we say from time to time, and we have two signals, one on the reservation, 90.1 FM, and then the other one is in Rapid City, South Dakota, and that is 88.7, and that one doesn't kick out as much wattage, however the community is all the same.

Arlo Iron Cloud: So we have a wide variety of programming from talk shows to federal information. Because we're a reservation, we work with the federal government, it's supposed to be one on one but the kinks of that are still getting worked out, but we do work with the federal government and so there are federal government messages that get out, and then we have-- like a show I have is called the Wakalapi Chit Chat Show, and they're just talk shows. So in between all that there's a variety of things going on, and it's just like the music, we go from traditional Lakota song all the way to techno, what's happening on with the most recent hip hop right now, that's how wide we are, I mean we go from reggae to rock, and then we'll go from country to heavy metal, we cover all these things because the people that run the radio station develop sort of like a following, and we have that consistency well enough down that if anybody who is into classic rock, they know that they need to listen to the radio station from 2:00 to 6:00 p.m. You know what I mean?

Arlo Iron Cloud: So it's one of those things that like it's really at this point and I'm so thankful for, it's a really well rounded radio station, and so I wish I could explain it a little bit more, but the thing is that you have to listen to KILI and then learn that the complexity is reflecting the people.

Jo Reed: No, you're welcome, which was fun, I mean I love radio, I really do, and it's so nice when there's a combination of talk and music because now everything is so much in its little slot, and even with your show, and really that was the show I listened to, there was such a diversity of talk as well as music.

Arlo Iron Cloud: Totally. The Chit Chat Show began because a cousin of mine, we got together one morning, we were sharing information about the casino, and we started talking, and we were just tossing back our own ideas like how could we improve the casino? And we just threw out some outrageous ideas, and then the casino started getting a buzz just from us talking. So we were really, you know, it became other things, it just grew from there.

Arlo Iron Cloud: The programming changed enormously at the station. One of the things that our programmers and radio hosts loved doing was sitting down in a room and communicating with somebody at the station, and it was like I said a place for communication, if anybody needed information that's where they went, that's who they called. So when the pandemic hit the first thing that we did was do our best to inform the people, and I got to tell you that's one of the hardest things I've learned in my history of working, communicating with everybody to ensure them that we are providing accurate information about pandemic issues, and so our work in this area was totally dependent upon national information, and the trouble with that is the information was so mixed up that we had such a hard time communicating with the people about what was truth. So nobody's right now still currently allowed at the radio station, only the deejays are, but yeah, before people used to love to come in, get on the mic, and we used to have live performances too, those are all gone as well.

Arlo Iron Cloud: Yes, my job is to help coordinate the schedule, write for things, keep up on reports, do some programming, look for underwriting, a little grant writing. I mean I have a pretty healthy responsibility at the radio station, I'm also a deejay too so it's one of those things, you know?

Arlo Iron Cloud: Back and forth. We are in a process of reviving the language in our communities and so looking for Lakota programming is always a search for me, and to improve it. I ask my deejays and myself, we're in the process of revitalizing the language within our own selves and so that's what we do, we just incorporate as much as we can, here and there, and we also make sure that English is also there as well.

Arlo Iron Cloud: So my mother is Dine, it's also known as Navajo, and that's where I grew up on the Navajo Reservation, and because my father's the wonderful man that he is he supported the language, and he also spoke Lakota to us, it's just that I've learned more Dine than I have Lakota at this point still, but I am in the massive, massive-- I mean it's like one of the things I think every true blue Lakota man wakes up with is that they want to revitalize language, it's always on their mind, it's like take care of your children, language, you know, I don't know how else to explain it, it's really one of those big things that just kind of sits on our shoulders. I only speak that because I only know a perspective of a man, and so I'm not talking about women or children or anybody in between them, I'm just saying that as a man it's a heavy thing that we think about.

Arlo Iron Cloud: Yeah, oh my gosh, I forgot about that. Yeah, I did. It was years ago, this was way before any language app came out, and I can probably say that we were the first. The thing was is that we did not know the trials and tribulations of what was to forecast over this, and we hit a major one, we had infringed on someone's property, and it wasn't intentional, but it really put the brakes on, because it was a team effort. But we actually did launch the app for a second or two, it was kind of cool. I was so proud of it, but it never happened.

Arlo Iron Cloud: I didn't even know that it was called traditional ways. It's so funny, it wasn't called traditional ways, I guess I was in the position of growing up during a time that didn't even identify as traditional ways, it was just the way I guess, and so when I grew up I was totally immersed in Dine culture, and because my dad is such a great dad I was totally involved with Lakota culture as well, and it was just living, and then like one day that had to be proven for some reason, and so I guess yeah, I'm fully immersed in my indigenous reservation ways where I'm that ahigi [Ph?] little boy, in Dine ahigi, this is like this, ooh, this one you want to ahniya in Lakota it's the same term, that ahigi, ahniya, it's like that, you know, you're just this precious little thing that you just want to squeeze.

Jo Reed: You actually co-produced an episode of a podcast series called Out of the Blocks, that the NEA funded and you introduced the Pine Ridge Reservation to listeners across the country. Tell me about how you thought that through and how you chose whom to speak with and just that experience. 152ee80cbc

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