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Transcript of Zhea Erose's primodality livestream

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# Theory of Primodality

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00:00:02.720 hello

00:00:04.319 hello everyone

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00:00:07.040 i believe i'm live now right

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00:00:14.799 today we are going to do a very special

00:00:17.760 thing

00:00:18.880 i am going to talk about the theories of

00:00:21.680 prime modality uh this is something i

00:00:24.080 get asked about a lot and it's one of

00:00:26.960 the foundational things behind what i'm

00:00:29.039 doing musically

00:00:30.560 so i thought today would be a great day

00:00:32.880 to talk about it so i'll let some people

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00:00:47.360 live now talking about prime modality hi

00:00:50.960 there i'm very here for that hello tom

00:00:53.600 hello fiona today we are going to do a

00:00:56.960 sort of concrete video

00:00:59.760 exposition

00:01:01.120 of prime modality so i think it will be

00:01:03.760 fun i've got a lot of things um

00:01:06.560 planned uh now live just posting that in

00:01:09.680 some places

00:01:10.880 so yeah now i'm doing this on my music

00:01:12.479 channel because obviously it's most

00:01:14.240 relevant here um so i'm just gonna jump

00:01:17.360 right into it because i want for people

00:01:19.360 who watch this later they can instantly

00:01:21.439 start understanding this stuff

00:01:23.280 so let's jump into it

00:01:27.520 so

00:01:28.960 just intonation offers a vast and

00:01:31.759 infinitely deep ocean of sonic

00:01:34.000 possibilities

00:01:35.360 yet the harvest of tradition has reaped

00:01:38.000 only a limited shred of possibility from

00:01:40.799 this infinite harmonic landscape

00:01:43.600 it is my hope that with this approach

00:01:45.200 we'll be talking about today deeper

00:01:47.600 parts of the harmonic series will be

00:01:49.520 illuminated

00:01:50.799 freed and thereby

00:01:52.720 granting increased freedom and sensation

00:01:55.119 to the composer the listener and the

00:01:57.840 theorist i see this as a huge blind spot

00:02:01.680 that has kind of slipped under the radar

00:02:04.000 for the majority of modern just

00:02:06.960 intonation

00:02:08.720 so this approach a primotal approach

00:02:11.280 advances a philosophy of just intonation

00:02:14.560 which organizes the harmonic series into

00:02:16.879 several discrete

00:02:18.480 octave complete families

00:02:21.200 these are basically harmonic scales or

00:02:23.440 harmonic modes as some people are

00:02:25.280 familiar with

00:02:26.560 these harmonic modes may then be sorted

00:02:28.640 by primacy to generate unique color

00:02:31.760 palettes

00:02:32.959 by taking a prime harmonic and treating

00:02:34.959 it as the numerary nexus in which all

00:02:37.760 numbers above or below it are drawn in

00:02:40.400 ratio against till you complete the

00:02:42.720 octave

00:02:43.760 we generate a pool of unique intervals

00:02:46.319 which function together as a natural

00:02:48.840 gestalt the prime modality prime

00:02:51.680 modality stands for prime

00:02:53.920 mode tonality and this is because we are

00:02:56.879 building modes and organizing modes

00:02:59.280 around primes but also a fundamental

00:03:01.760 part of the theory is that we can

00:03:03.519 tonicize we can create tonal sinners out

00:03:06.879 of these prime rotations of the harmonic

00:03:09.360 series

00:03:10.400 so

00:03:11.680 in essence primodality and function is a

00:03:14.480 self-closing mode or rotation of the

00:03:17.120 harmonic series

00:03:18.480 due to the nature of prime numbers

00:03:20.000 though when a prime number is respected

00:03:22.400 as the numerary nexus a pool of unique

00:03:26.239 non-reducible intervals will emerge

00:03:29.120 which have a unique and distinct sonic

00:03:32.000 identity

00:03:33.519 this

00:03:34.560 sort of emergent tonality can be used as

00:03:37.760 the fabric and material to build our

00:03:40.720 scales chords and various harmonic

00:03:43.280 perspectives out of

00:03:45.599 primodality then is a way to tangibly

00:03:48.159 and more discreetly systematize the

00:03:50.480 harmonic series and the intervals

00:03:52.480 contained within it if one does not use

00:03:55.040 the lens of vertical prime segments and

00:03:57.120 their factors there are just countless

00:03:59.519 segments with no organization no clear

00:04:02.640 relationship or hierarchy it becomes

00:04:05.439 mostly noise and chaos with the

00:04:07.280 inability to make clear statements about

00:04:09.840 where things are coming and where things

00:04:11.519 are going

00:04:12.959 which is why i think the overtube bias

00:04:15.200 has existed for so long for people who

00:04:17.040 aren't super familiar with the harmonic

00:04:19.120 series you know it's basically every

00:04:21.759 whole number going up forever and

00:04:25.280 for

00:04:26.080 years centuries decades however long you

00:04:28.400 want to draw it back for we have

00:04:30.160 essentially ordered everything based on

00:04:32.400 two or one so if you go and you look at

00:04:35.280 just intonation and really any video on

00:04:37.680 youtube or any article on the internet

00:04:39.919 you'll see everything is drawn over two

00:04:42.320 the seven of four is considered the nine

00:04:45.280 of eight is considered the eleven of

00:04:47.199 eight is considered 13 against eight is

00:04:49.440 considered 15 against eight is

00:04:51.520 considered and these are all beautiful

00:04:53.280 intervals but they're just one family of

00:04:55.840 intervals but the sort of entire history

00:04:58.960 of it until now everything has been

00:05:01.120 related back to over two which is very

00:05:04.000 interesting so it's really cool how the

00:05:06.000 harmonic series contains these

00:05:07.520 pre-existing octave complete

00:05:10.039 self-referential scales through which

00:05:12.320 can be sorted by primeness and

00:05:14.080 factorization away from a prime

00:05:16.720 to me it's also a way to think about

00:05:19.280 uniqueness and individuality highly

00:05:21.919 composite segments of the harmonic

00:05:23.600 series such as 12 or 18 or 24

00:05:27.520 are fundamentally less distinct than

00:05:29.840 prime segments

00:05:31.520 or prime segments that have only

00:05:33.199 experience factoring up of an octave or

00:05:35.919 two octaves or three octaves semi-prime

00:05:38.800 segments are also very fascinating

00:05:40.800 because they contain a mixture of both

00:05:42.960 prime families merged together so if you

00:05:45.600 like what the over 7 family gives you

00:05:48.240 and you like what the over 11 family

00:05:50.240 gives you you could do 77 to its octave

00:05:53.600 and you would have both complete over 7

00:05:56.560 and over 11 first octaves

00:05:59.440 prime modality thus also suggests a way

00:06:01.520 to consider distance and proximity to

00:06:04.800 and from uniqueness

00:06:06.400 the lower in the octaves you are on a

00:06:08.479 prime the more fundamentally unique the

00:06:10.960 pitch material is in fact in the first

00:06:13.600 octave there is no repeatable or

00:06:16.639 reducible intervals that exist at all

00:06:19.520 other than the octave itself when it

00:06:21.440 finally comes around the further you

00:06:23.600 factor that prime the more composite

00:06:25.840 things enter as it becomes its own meta

00:06:28.160 series which we'll talk about in a

00:06:29.520 little bit and the primal gestalt starts

00:06:32.160 to be undermined it starts to wear away

00:06:34.880 from the weight of composite intervals

00:06:37.199 suggesting other qualities

00:06:40.479 to me this proximity from uniqueness is

00:06:42.639 also an important element in the

00:06:44.160 perception of sounds one of the things

00:06:46.400 that traditional just intonation

00:06:47.840 approaches have always focused on is you

00:06:50.000 know what intervals can you really hear

00:06:52.160 what intervals are distinct enough and

00:06:54.560 far enough from each other that we could

00:06:56.319 tune them by ear and often times when we

00:06:58.800 see this in a lattice approach or a

00:07:00.400 limit approach people think this is

00:07:02.319 based on prime limit they'll say oh well

00:07:04.720 you can tune you know seven limit

00:07:06.720 intervals by ear but 13 limit intervals

00:07:09.199 you can't or 19 limit wow that's hard to

00:07:12.400 hear but what i have experienced

00:07:14.560 personally is that it is not about the

00:07:16.400 prime limit it's more about the integer

00:07:18.880 limit and as long as you are staying

00:07:21.440 under some given integer limit you can

00:07:23.919 tune them all by ear and in fact if

00:07:26.000 you're in the first octave of a prime

00:07:28.080 segment that interval is very distinct

00:07:30.720 and very unique and so it lends itself

00:07:33.199 to being able to be remembered

00:07:35.199 categorically for perceptual quality

00:07:37.759 much easier than other intervals so for

00:07:40.639 me this is a very important aspect of it

00:07:42.720 this proximity to individuality or

00:07:45.759 uniqueness

00:07:46.960 so

00:07:48.400 integer limit plays a large role in the

00:07:50.400 perception of sounds in my experience

00:07:52.560 but also how many times something has

00:07:54.639 been factored plays a large role so you

00:07:57.520 know something like 11 to 13 that has

00:08:00.879 only been factored once it's 11 to 22 in

00:08:03.840 that octave segment and if we were to go

00:08:06.720 up to maybe 22 to let's say 22 to 27

00:08:11.039 that'll get a little harder to tune by

00:08:12.879 ear because it's up another octave if we

00:08:15.280 were doing 44 to something near that it

00:08:18.080 would be increasingly harder so to me it

00:08:20.560 seems to be based on how far away you

00:08:23.599 are from that distinct nexus of options

00:08:26.879 um this is also why i tend to avoid the

00:08:29.680 generator lattice approach because

00:08:31.599 you'll instantly when you start stacking

00:08:33.599 just intonated intervals you'll

00:08:35.360 instantly end up with like you know huge

00:08:37.440 numbers over 512 or over 10 24 and in my

00:08:42.479 experience that is where the

00:08:44.240 distinctness of them starts to break

00:08:46.080 down i don't really think we hear

00:08:48.240 intervals

00:08:49.279 as the generator approach would claim

00:08:51.279 like when i'm hearing 9 8 or 9 4

00:08:54.399 i'm not hearing 2 3 2s i mean i just

00:08:57.839 don't hear intervals that way and i

00:08:59.600 don't think that they really manifest

00:09:01.200 that way either based on the way the

00:09:02.959 harmonic series relates to itself when

00:09:04.880 you play two distinct pitches right

00:09:07.680 we're not hearing a chain of intervals

00:09:09.440 to reach that 9 8 we're hearing the

00:09:11.279 harmonics from that 9 against 4 against

00:09:14.080 our 1 to 1 and then that creates an

00:09:16.720 emergent experience of the 9 4 as

00:09:20.000 opposed to hearing a 3 against two

00:09:21.680 against three against two against three

00:09:23.600 against two against three against two

00:09:25.920 now that's not to say that approach

00:09:27.440 isn't very useful because it is very

00:09:29.600 useful lots of people have made really

00:09:31.760 amazing music and great contributions to

00:09:34.160 music theory from that approach but to

00:09:36.000 me it seems a more arbitrary approach to

00:09:38.720 approach the harmonic series

00:09:40.880 so uh now further by using things like

00:09:44.000 near equal just intonation or negis we

00:09:47.279 can then impose and observe where

00:09:49.120 natural constant structure forms exist

00:09:52.240 on the harmonic segments themselves

00:09:54.800 and then by considering the primality or

00:09:57.120 primacy of these segments and how it

00:09:58.800 relates to the other prime segments

00:10:00.480 around it it reveals the way in which

00:10:02.880 harmonic segments relate to one another

00:10:05.440 so that the harmonic series can

00:10:07.040 ultimately be conceived of as its own

00:10:09.839 scale capable of being freely navigated

00:10:12.320 through freely composed in and moved

00:10:14.800 around inside despite its constantly

00:10:17.200 decreasing

00:10:18.399 step size

00:10:19.760 i'm going to go ahead here and check

00:10:20.880 some comments because i've just kind of

00:10:22.320 been going and going and going

00:10:25.519 hi everyone it's great to have you all

00:10:27.200 here oh my god you are live yes we are

00:10:29.600 here live and

00:10:31.040 uh yes so we shall now continue

00:10:34.000 so there are about nine pillars of prime

00:10:37.920 modality that i want to expose today

00:10:40.800 okay so i'm going to go ahead and go

00:10:42.640 through these so

00:10:44.560 first off

00:10:46.480 invertible equivalence is commonly

00:10:48.959 assumed in traditional just intonation

00:10:51.760 in traditional approaches

00:10:53.680 19 over 16 and 32 over 19 are seen as

00:10:58.800 seen as similar in fact they're seen as

00:11:00.959 equivalent in most cases in primodality

00:11:04.160 they are not each structure is respected

00:11:07.040 as its own distinct vertical identity

00:11:10.320 and it is not respected that way in

00:11:12.640 traditional approaches

00:11:14.399 so

00:11:15.600 we think of any vertical structure as

00:11:17.680 its own identity regardless if if we do

00:11:21.120 invert it yes it's true 16 and 19 and 32

00:11:24.320 over 19 are numerically related and yes

00:11:27.519 there is some connection in the way that

00:11:29.440 they sonically are represented but we do

00:11:32.720 not view them as equal they are their

00:11:35.200 own distinct sounds and sure they can be

00:11:37.760 related and considered related but they

00:11:40.240 are not equivalent and we cannot treat

00:11:42.079 them as equivalent

00:11:44.079 two

00:11:44.880 traditionally there is a preference

00:11:47.120 towards scales with high regularity

00:11:50.480 while cs forms or constant structure

00:11:52.560 forms allow us to get this in the

00:11:54.399 harmonic series via nudgies and sort of

00:11:57.600 mosses that have been warped around the

00:11:59.360 harmonic series prime modality to me is

00:12:02.160 most pure when the entire harmonic

00:12:04.399 segment is used as a musical scale

00:12:06.959 there's a piece i composed called

00:12:08.560 pandelia and pandelia uses over 17 the

00:12:11.839 entire two octaves of it and to me

00:12:14.000 that's really the purest form of

00:12:15.680 primodality where you have an entire

00:12:17.760 harmonic series segment this means

00:12:20.160 understanding and respecting how to

00:12:22.240 navigate a scale in which as you

00:12:24.320 approach the octave the steps become

00:12:26.480 increasingly smaller that is something

00:12:28.560 that you will gain from a primordial

00:12:30.079 approach that you won't get anywhere

00:12:32.000 else we basically have to understand how

00:12:34.160 to compose against a harmonic growth

00:12:36.560 curve because each step we have is

00:12:38.480 getting smaller and smaller and smaller

00:12:41.040 now of course this is why we use nudgies

00:12:43.200 because it simplifies it it gives us

00:12:45.200 some degree of regularity you know i

00:12:47.519 also have i'm going to open something

00:12:49.839 here i hope you all can hear this i'll

00:12:51.920 show you what i mean by increasingly

00:12:53.600 smaller step sizes

00:12:56.160 and i think everything is still audible

00:12:57.839 here too so

00:13:01.360 yes i'm saying that minor third and

00:13:03.120 major six are considered equivalent in

00:13:05.040 other theories and they are not

00:13:06.880 considered equivalent in this theory um

00:13:10.240 let's see here

00:13:12.360 [Music]

00:13:14.560 they're very convenient when they're

00:13:15.839 considered equivalent because then it

00:13:17.040 lets us do all sorts of little things

00:13:18.560 but okay so here's an example what i

00:13:20.800 mean by increasingly smaller step sizes

00:13:23.200 so this is the entire second octave of

00:13:26.000 11.

00:13:27.120 so

00:13:28.399 yes i i don't agree with octave

00:13:30.240 reduction i do reduce octaves for

00:13:32.320 convenience you know that's very nice

00:13:34.320 but i do not really believe in octave

00:13:36.800 equivalence um and i think that anyone

00:13:39.199 who sings just intonation in a room

00:13:41.440 should quickly see the octave

00:13:42.720 equivalence is not real in the

00:13:44.639 traditional sense like if i'm singing

00:13:46.639 and i sing um like if i sing an octave

00:13:49.920 and then i sing a third harmonic the

00:13:51.920 feeling of that third harmonic is not at

00:13:53.920 all the same as the feeling of

00:13:56.639 a three against two or two against three

00:13:58.720 you know

00:14:00.000 so yes octave reduction makes things

00:14:02.079 very simple for us and very clean for us

00:14:03.839 but it seems like a convenience that

00:14:05.680 we're applying to make things easier for

00:14:07.440 us to understand now okay so here is uh

00:14:10.560 oh that should play but it's not let me

00:14:12.800 go ahead and get this set up for us

00:14:15.120 really fast

00:14:17.839 that should be playing but it's not i

00:14:19.760 wonder why

00:14:21.360 hmm

00:14:24.160 no sound whatsoever let me just double

00:14:26.480 check here

00:14:28.480 default output

00:14:30.800 okay well that's a bummer i don't know

00:14:32.320 why that sound is not working but i was

00:14:34.399 going to demonstrate to you this

00:14:35.680 collapsing size of the harmonic series

00:14:38.000 when you compose oh there we go

00:14:40.079 okay so let's take a listen so this is

00:14:41.839 the entire second octave of 11.

00:14:45.199 and notice how each step gets

00:14:46.399 progressively smaller

00:14:47.470 [Music]

00:14:56.800 and now we're back at the octave

00:14:59.519 so this means let's say i want a minor

00:15:01.279 third

00:15:01.810 [Music]

00:15:06.399 it's going to be much wider on the

00:15:08.079 bottom than let's say if i wanted a

00:15:09.600 minor 7.

00:15:14.000 so you have to get used to composing

00:15:15.519 with these different links your

00:15:17.040 expectation of how far a minor third is

00:15:19.519 going to be on the keyboard or on the

00:15:21.120 layout is actually going to collapse or

00:15:23.360 expand depending on where you are in

00:15:25.120 that harmonic series

00:15:27.920 there is the major chord in over 11.

00:15:31.060 [Music]

00:15:37.519 quite a beautiful sound

00:15:41.260 [Music]

00:15:46.639 so when i'm playing this i'm thinking

00:15:48.079 you know the higher i get close to the

00:15:49.839 octave this the smaller my distances

00:15:51.920 become or i should say the larger the

00:15:53.839 distances become in terms of note

00:15:55.519 spacing and the closer i am to the start

00:15:57.839 of the octave the smaller everything

00:15:59.839 starts to become and that's something

00:16:01.920 that we just don't get in typical

00:16:03.680 approaches and i do use that approach

00:16:06.160 but i enjoy using nedgie's to make that

00:16:08.560 a lot simpler because it definitely can

00:16:10.560 be a headache thinking of these

00:16:11.920 constantly changing step sizes but there

00:16:14.639 is a benefit to it check this out so

00:16:16.720 this is something that you just will not

00:16:18.320 get in other systems so

00:16:22.079 unless you try really hard to make it

00:16:23.600 happen

00:16:24.399 so now if i take the shape and i move it

00:16:25.920 down

00:16:28.800 we get this drastic shift in color

00:16:33.730 [Music]

00:16:36.959 it's such an interesting quality

00:16:39.120 and then it slips up

00:16:41.310 [Music]

00:16:43.920 that's that super fourth the one decimal

00:16:45.519 super fourth so this is what we can do

00:16:47.759 with these sort of unequal step sizes so

00:16:50.240 i think regularity is overrated yes that

00:16:53.440 is over 11 you are correct that was 22

00:16:56.320 to 44 so this is the 22nd harmonic 23rd

00:17:00.079 24th 25th 26 27 28 29 30 31 etc

00:17:07.260 [Music]

00:17:10.319 indeed okay now we move on number three

00:17:13.679 commas are widely avoided or treated as

00:17:16.319 problematic in tradition traditional

00:17:18.240 just intonation

00:17:19.679 in prime modality

00:17:21.280 a comma is just a natural scale step

00:17:23.919 there is no special property about a

00:17:26.720 harmonic next to a harmonic it's just a

00:17:29.280 scale step and so there are they are

00:17:31.280 free to be embraced and considered as

00:17:33.120 the natural consequence of moving

00:17:35.280 through the harmonic scale therefore

00:17:37.520 comma doesn't really exist in prime

00:17:40.160 modality outside of namesake the comma

00:17:42.960 is just an adjacent scale step and in

00:17:45.280 this context it's free some of my

00:17:47.600 favorite things in all of music are

00:17:49.919 these falling or rising commas in chords

00:17:52.400 if i play something like this here you

00:17:54.240 see let me just go ahead and create let

00:17:56.320 me just go ahead and create a little um

00:17:58.720 a little sound for us i'll show you what

00:18:00.000 i mean by some of these commas being

00:18:01.760 very useful

00:18:02.960 so uh oftentimes if we think about

00:18:05.039 trying to avoid commas or simplify and

00:18:07.120 reduce commas we will miss some really

00:18:10.000 beautiful sounds so for instance i'll

00:18:12.080 just use a pretty common one here i'll

00:18:14.080 just make a kind of an in-decimal minor

00:18:16.080 chord for us all

00:18:21.520 okay great now i'm going to go ahead and

00:18:23.200 add an 11

00:18:27.200 and then now i could say how about this

00:18:34.720 and now we have this gorgeous falling

00:18:36.400 comma between 30 to 59 so if i isolate

00:18:39.120 it as just a single interval we end up

00:18:41.039 with this falling octave comma at 11

00:18:44.080 70 cents

00:18:46.880 and these are gorgeous and if you're in

00:18:48.799 a traditional just intonation approach

00:18:50.559 they're pretty much gone you pretty much

00:18:52.640 delete them if you're tempering

00:18:53.919 something qualities like this are they

00:18:55.840 just disappear and so one of the big

00:18:58.320 benefits to me about using harmonic

00:18:59.919 scale series and in particular an

00:19:01.679 approach where we don't view commas as

00:19:03.280 problematic is you get these really

00:19:05.120 beautiful shimmers and i feel that's

00:19:06.559 where a lot of the gorgeous shimmering

00:19:08.320 comes from i'll go ahead and rebuild

00:19:09.520 that chord so we just started out

00:19:11.360 basically with an in decimal 11 minor 11

00:19:14.160 or minor add four and we add the minor

00:19:16.000 seven on top of it and then we add a

00:19:17.600 falling comma eleven

00:19:25.360 we could do another thing here i'll add

00:19:26.559 a 9 on top of it as well

00:19:29.260 [Music]

00:19:31.200 and now i'll add a falling comma from

00:19:32.640 this 9 so if the 9 is the 50th harmonic

00:19:34.880 we can do a following comma quite easily

00:19:36.640 with 99 and now we have double falling

00:19:39.440 commas

00:19:48.960 gorgeous

00:19:58.400 so i don't know why we'd ever want to

00:20:00.000 get rid of those and i don't so i keep

00:20:02.880 them in my music and i try to embrace

00:20:04.720 them wherever i can in fact my piano

00:20:07.120 right now has commas tuned all over it

00:20:08.960 like that and so i can play these

00:20:10.559 gorgeous chords and when i go to hit an

00:20:12.080 octave or when i go to hit some other

00:20:13.919 thing we get these shimmery little comma

00:20:15.520 chords and they're just absolutely

00:20:17.600 gorgeous someone says oh wow it's

00:20:19.679 falling and suspended in midair at the

00:20:21.520 same time i completely agree they have

00:20:23.600 so much movement and so much animation

00:20:25.520 and they're just so incredible so why do

00:20:28.000 we get rid of them in fact we kind of

00:20:30.000 have an entire system of music theory

00:20:32.080 which the whole point of it is to

00:20:34.400 solve commas you know which is fine i'm

00:20:36.640 not trying to dig on it or maybe i am

00:20:38.480 but you know that's just not what i like

00:20:40.400 to hear personally um i like to find

00:20:42.559 these small commas and when you think

00:20:43.760 about harmonic scale segments and really

00:20:45.440 what a comma is it's literally just a

00:20:48.400 scale step you know we don't treat

00:20:50.880 scale steps any different in other

00:20:52.480 systems but since they're irregular and

00:20:54.159 they get smaller and smaller in the

00:20:55.360 harmonic series we traditionally have

00:20:57.440 kept them separate

00:20:58.960 but i don't i just view them as a

00:21:00.720 natural scale step so there we go

00:21:03.039 there's that perspective

00:21:05.840 so now we have um we solve commas by

00:21:08.799 introducing sure sure

00:21:10.799 so there's three so first off let me go

00:21:12.799 ahead we're going over this list of nine

00:21:14.880 key differences between a primordial

00:21:16.559 approach and a typical justin's needed

00:21:18.720 traditional approach so one in vertical

00:21:21.039 invertible equivalence is commonly

00:21:22.799 assumed we do not assume invertible

00:21:24.960 equivalence here in prime modality

00:21:27.360 it's functional and it's interesting to

00:21:29.200 apply and sometimes useful but i don't

00:21:32.159 really assume it equivalent in my heart

00:21:34.880 of hearts so to speak two we have a

00:21:37.919 preference towards scales with high

00:21:39.520 regularity in traditional sort of music

00:21:42.000 theory and that makes a lot of sense all

00:21:43.600 of our music systems come from highly

00:21:45.120 regular scales for the most part except

00:21:46.960 for some of the well-tempered stuff back

00:21:49.039 then

00:21:50.000 but in prime modality that bias is gone

00:21:52.720 we can make more regular forms by using

00:21:55.280 nudgies but at the same time we cannot

00:21:58.000 and we can just play in irregular forms

00:22:00.320 and those are totally fine 12 nedgies

00:22:02.880 are inherently irregular or sort of any

00:22:05.840 negi has some inherent irregularity in

00:22:08.240 it so you know if i'm playing in a

00:22:10.159 tuning system like this kind of quality

00:22:12.400 here

00:22:14.800 [Music]

00:22:29.039 there's a lot of irregularity there

00:22:31.200 but to me it's the irregularity that

00:22:32.799 makes it beautiful

00:22:34.480 you know

00:22:35.080 [Music]

00:22:39.440 it makes it so that each scale step

00:22:41.240 [Music]

00:22:50.240 it makes it so that each scale step kind

00:22:51.760 of has its own internal melody going on

00:22:54.000 like if i play through the scale itself

00:22:55.440 you can hear

00:22:55.900 [Music]

00:22:58.960 things are slightly bigger slightly

00:23:01.200 smaller the whole way and to me when i'm

00:23:03.280 playing chords it feels like

00:23:05.120 there's like this

00:23:06.960 melody that's going on between every

00:23:08.880 note

00:23:11.280 and that's where a lot of the beauty

00:23:12.559 comes from

00:23:15.039 and the harmonic series has that

00:23:16.400 naturally going on so we're just

00:23:18.320 capturing an essence of that and then

00:23:20.240 putting it in a constant structure form

00:23:22.559 that allows us more easy access

00:23:25.280 so like right now i've got it in a

00:23:26.480 12-note

00:23:27.919 constant structure form but i'm still

00:23:29.440 able to

00:23:30.640 get some of the ooh that's gorgeous

00:23:33.440 oh my gosh

00:23:36.890 [Music]

00:23:41.440 and everything just feels like kind of

00:23:42.640 like it's being micro voice led around

00:23:44.640 the entire system so

00:23:47.039 there is that

00:23:48.400 let's see here so and then we said you

00:23:49.919 know commas are traditionally avoided

00:23:51.600 and here they are not okay number four

00:23:54.320 traditional ji due to its emphasis on

00:23:56.480 the lattice places a somewhat

00:23:58.320 superstitious perspective on high primes

00:24:00.960 as each successive prime added into the

00:24:03.120 lattice multiplies the complexity of the

00:24:05.760 pitch space in primodality each

00:24:08.240 successive prime just

00:24:10.400 naturally shows up in the scale and it

00:24:12.400 requires no significant increase in

00:24:14.720 dimensionality to be considered so you

00:24:17.679 know it's it's interesting i've posted a

00:24:19.679 lot about this on microtonal communities

00:24:21.440 and stuff but there's always this

00:24:23.039 strange traditional consideration where

00:24:25.760 people are like oh whoa 13 limit i don't

00:24:28.240 think i can hear that or 17 limit whoa

00:24:31.039 that's really high or 31 limit well

00:24:34.159 no because they're just scale steps

00:24:36.240 they're not each prime that we enter in

00:24:38.720 a scale does not introduce or multiply

00:24:42.000 the complexity it only multiplies the

00:24:44.159 complexity if what we're trying to do is

00:24:45.840 form a lattice out of it and then we

00:24:47.600 have to factor it in as a generator

00:24:49.840 dimension but in this case we don't it's

00:24:52.080 just a thing you know it's a simple

00:24:54.000 little scale and it's a closed structure

00:24:56.720 so um

00:24:58.320 for that reason we can free primes up

00:25:00.799 like you know i often use the 61st

00:25:03.200 harmonic it's one of my favorite major

00:25:04.960 seventh qualities and i have gotten

00:25:07.200 youtube comments or people commenting

00:25:09.520 well why do you choose to use the 61st

00:25:11.520 harmonic it's like so out of

00:25:13.440 organization of the rest of the

00:25:14.799 structure but to me it's not out of

00:25:16.159 organization of the structure it's very

00:25:18.080 important to the structure the 61st

00:25:19.919 harmonic frees up a lot of other things

00:25:22.080 and same with something like the 43rd

00:25:24.240 harmonic when people talk about you know

00:25:26.480 people have seen me use the 43rd

00:25:27.760 harmonic and then i get questions oh 43

00:25:29.840 limit

00:25:30.720 no the 43rd harmonic to me is an

00:25:32.960 incredible pillar that unifies a lot of

00:25:35.120 high primes together on over two if we

00:25:38.320 don't have the 43rd we can't really

00:25:40.720 sound over 19. we can't really sound

00:25:42.960 over 17. 43rd is the major third

00:25:46.080 primordially of of the 17. otherwise we

00:25:49.520 end up with a sub major third on 17

00:25:52.080 which is fine that's it's more primotal

00:25:53.840 third but they don't seem like they

00:25:56.720 multiply complexity they seem like they

00:25:59.200 unify things together and they're

00:26:00.799 important pillars of structure in the

00:26:02.880 harmonic series and so i don't treat

00:26:04.960 them as more

00:26:06.559 more superstitious or different i just

00:26:08.880 look at them kind of similar as i do

00:26:10.559 other things now

00:26:12.799 we'll get to that in a second so that's

00:26:14.000 number four so i'll go ahead over these

00:26:15.919 again invertible equivalence not assumed

00:26:18.720 here

00:26:19.520 we don't really care about regularity of

00:26:21.679 scales that's certainly a benefit and we

00:26:23.520 can use nedgies to impose regularity but

00:26:26.000 we don't really care that much about it

00:26:27.840 three commas are embraced there's no

00:26:30.080 such thing really as a problematic comma

00:26:32.480 it's just a scale step and it can be

00:26:34.240 pushed and played with whenever you want

00:26:36.840 um we don't treat primes superstitiously

00:26:40.559 in terms of them thinking about being

00:26:42.559 more complex or less complex if anything

00:26:45.279 the only complexity that i really care

00:26:46.960 about is integer limit or integer

00:26:48.720 complexity because you know the further

00:26:50.640 the integers go definitely things become

00:26:52.720 a little more hard to to separate

00:26:55.919 4.5 because we have surrendered the

00:26:58.400 lattice prime limit is meaningless prime

00:27:01.360 limit is only meaningful if you are

00:27:03.279 trying to create some structure that is

00:27:05.279 closed in its ability to then generate

00:27:07.840 other things prime limit doesn't really

00:27:10.000 mean anything here because we're not

00:27:11.600 trying to create lattices um so there's

00:27:14.640 that

00:27:15.679 five the sound of the prime in prime

00:27:17.679 modality is not the prime relative to

00:27:20.399 everything else but instead everything

00:27:23.039 else relative to the prime this is

00:27:25.760 really important so in traditional with

00:27:28.399 with invertible equivalence being

00:27:29.760 assumed in traditional just intonation

00:27:31.919 people will say that x over p is

00:27:33.760 equivalent to p over x

00:27:35.919 saying like you know for instance

00:27:37.840 9 against 11 is an undecimal quality and

00:27:41.039 11 against 14 is an undecimal quality

00:27:45.200 things in traditional justin's nation

00:27:46.799 are named based on whatever the highest

00:27:48.399 prime is

00:27:49.440 we don't do that in prime modality

00:27:51.760 we name everything what the

00:27:53.919 reducible prime denominator is so 14

00:27:57.200 over 17 that's a septal interval 11 over

00:28:01.200 13 that is undecimal 11 over 12. that is

00:28:04.399 undecimal 11 over 16 that is undecimal

00:28:08.000 okay 8 over 11 or excuse me 11 over 8

00:28:12.240 that's harmonic that is not in decimal

00:28:14.480 that is a quality coming out of the over

00:28:16.880 two family

00:28:18.320 let's see here so there's that um

00:28:20.880 this is a big issue i guess because we

00:28:24.880 pretty much have a cultural consensus on

00:28:26.640 naming intervals based on their highest

00:28:28.159 primes

00:28:29.120 and i'm not going to do that i don't

00:28:30.799 really like that so i'm going to keep

00:28:33.039 saying it my way and if you ever hear me

00:28:34.640 saying um decimal or tridecimal or

00:28:36.399 septum decimal or novum decimal i'm

00:28:38.399 always referring to the thing over the

00:28:40.799 prime i'm never referring to

00:28:43.279 the everything relating back to the

00:28:45.039 prime and this is because we're treating

00:28:46.240 the prime of the nexus

00:28:48.320 and we don't treat the introduction of a

00:28:50.640 new prime as a new dimension of

00:28:52.320 complexity or a new special quality it

00:28:55.039 just is in the segment of whatever we

00:28:57.600 started on so it's treated sort of

00:29:00.399 non-specially

00:29:01.679 number six consideration of virtual

00:29:04.799 fundamental as not a phenomenon in which

00:29:07.760 all things reduce to a singular virtual

00:29:10.000 fundamental but instead a gradient in

00:29:12.880 which pro in which proximity towards a

00:29:15.440 meta virtual fundamental and the true

00:29:17.919 fundamental can be shifted across so the

00:29:21.279 virtual fundamental is this idea that

00:29:23.679 let's say we play some complex high

00:29:25.679 prime thing we can't really feel fused

00:29:28.320 or tonicized with that because it's

00:29:30.320 actually suggesting some infrasonic sort

00:29:32.960 of virtual fundamental virtual

00:29:34.399 fundamental is objectively real and true

00:29:36.960 we experience virtual fundamentals but

00:29:39.520 when i think about primes in primodality

00:29:42.320 you know if we start on 13 the only

00:29:44.880 thing that

00:29:46.159 that is

00:29:47.039 that's divisible by is one and itself so

00:29:50.559 i treat every prime number as a new one

00:29:54.399 it is the new beginning of a harmonic

00:29:56.720 series and let's say we went 11 22 33 44

00:30:01.760 55 66 77 well now we have just developed

00:30:06.399 a new meta-harmonic series

00:30:08.559 we are actually fleshing out an entire

00:30:10.399 standalone harmonic series inside of our

00:30:12.960 harmonic series and i think if you were

00:30:14.559 to hear 11 against 22 against 33 against

00:30:16.880 44 against 55 against 66 and 77 you

00:30:19.919 would hear the 11 taking over the

00:30:22.799 virtual fundamental behavior and so to

00:30:25.279 me there is a bit of a gradient between

00:30:27.679 the original virtual fundamental and how

00:30:30.399 these primes become tonicized so we

00:30:32.640 actually have this sort of fluid

00:30:34.159 continuum or this fluid space where we

00:30:36.000 can push away from the true fundamental

00:30:38.080 and emphasize a virtual fundamental or

00:30:41.120 rely more on the the genuine true fund

00:30:44.000 true virtual fundamental so

00:30:47.200 i typically

00:30:48.960 see the virtual fundamental thing a

00:30:50.399 little different i remember when i first

00:30:51.600 started talking about prime modality

00:30:53.200 people often made claims saying things

00:30:55.039 like oh well you can't ever tonicize

00:30:57.120 those chords because you know they're

00:30:58.880 overtones and so they're going to be

00:31:00.399 suggesting some unified virtual

00:31:02.080 fundamental much lower and yeah i agree

00:31:04.159 with that if it's in the first octave

00:31:06.240 but when you start to get into the

00:31:07.440 second octave of a prime or the third

00:31:09.679 octave of a prime now you have these

00:31:12.399 foundational pillars of tonality we have

00:31:15.200 a perfect fifth we have the octave we

00:31:17.360 can get the 5 4 we can get the 7 4 and

00:31:20.159 these can all be superimposed next to

00:31:23.120 these primal colors so that we can still

00:31:25.600 have the color of the given prime but we

00:31:27.679 can also still have these like virtual

00:31:29.279 fundamentally

00:31:30.559 suggesting intervals next to it and so

00:31:32.960 that allows us to have this continuum or

00:31:35.039 spectrum of proximity towards a true

00:31:37.519 virtual fundamental and a meta virtual

00:31:40.240 fundamental so in many ways prime

00:31:42.080 modality treats each harmonic or prime

00:31:44.640 harmonic as the beginning of a potential

00:31:47.200 meta series and then what we do with

00:31:49.279 primodality is we use these

00:31:52.399 we use these sort of um

00:31:54.720 prime points as

00:31:56.720 leaning into meta series or leaning away

00:31:59.039 so there's something that's very

00:32:00.159 different about this approach in

00:32:01.519 traditional approaches

00:32:03.279 number seven this is really important

00:32:06.320 just noticeable difference that is to

00:32:08.480 say the limits of perceivable pitch

00:32:10.960 difference

00:32:12.080 becomes increasingly meaningless

00:32:14.399 because subtle differences that may

00:32:16.080 exist below the accepted just noticeable

00:32:18.960 difference add up across the gestalt of

00:32:22.000 the whole family in other words a single

00:32:25.600 dyad on its own may be meaningless and

00:32:28.640 may not convey the sound of a prime

00:32:30.880 oftentimes people get confused with this

00:32:32.399 primordial stuff because they'll you

00:32:33.760 know they'll play like the septum

00:32:34.960 decimal minor third which is like 277

00:32:37.279 cents and then they'll play the

00:32:38.559 undecimal minor third which is like 289

00:32:40.320 and they're like well these are pretty

00:32:41.679 close these sound similar yeah maybe

00:32:44.720 single diads on their own don't express

00:32:47.440 the quality of the prime but when it is

00:32:49.600 joined in chorus by the other members

00:32:51.679 from its family a distinct picture of

00:32:54.480 modal identity emerges this is what we

00:32:56.880 mean by the gestalt the whole is greater

00:32:59.519 than the sum of its parts so we don't

00:33:02.000 care about the small differences that

00:33:04.080 are changed between dyads we care about

00:33:06.240 the small differences that are contained

00:33:07.840 within the entire unit and it is those

00:33:10.159 small differences adding up that create

00:33:12.559 these emergent psychoacoustic phenomenon

00:33:14.960 that come out in primordial stuff if

00:33:17.120 you've listened to some of the piano

00:33:18.480 works that i've released um

00:33:20.399 you'll hear there's these timbral things

00:33:22.559 these little sparkling overtones these

00:33:24.720 whirling noises these kind of whistle

00:33:26.559 tones that emerge above everything and

00:33:28.880 that is because we are operating purely

00:33:31.440 harmonic um and the

00:33:34.320 so you know oftentimes people would say

00:33:35.440 well can't we just use that like

00:33:36.799 tempered version or can't we just use an

00:33:38.240 approximation of that i mean sure you

00:33:40.240 could for the dyad or sure you could

00:33:42.159 melodically but when you start to fuse

00:33:44.480 the entire thing together with all the

00:33:46.240 extra notes

00:33:47.679 no not really because then it doesn't

00:33:49.919 align it doesn't sort of have that

00:33:51.440 property to it anymore

00:33:53.519 very good so now number eight this is

00:33:56.480 really important for prime modality the

00:33:58.880 application of modal logic

00:34:01.760 but in a large scale through the

00:34:04.159 harmonic series so traditional

00:34:07.039 approaches we can't really get this with

00:34:09.440 but if we're thinking of the entire

00:34:10.800 harmonic series or let's just say the

00:34:12.560 first 128 harmonics to keep it simple

00:34:15.440 if we start to think in constant

00:34:17.199 structure forms we can start to observe

00:34:19.760 these modal relationships that start to

00:34:22.320 emerge like for instance people will

00:34:24.480 often try to force the fourth or the

00:34:27.119 four against three perfect fourth in

00:34:29.599 over two or over 32 and this is really

00:34:32.480 problematic for several reasons but you

00:34:35.280 know instead what i would like to

00:34:36.719 advance is something like the 43rd

00:34:38.480 harmonic is the kind of modal perfect

00:34:41.199 fourth of 32 and when we start to assume

00:34:44.639 this all of a sudden it creates these

00:34:46.560 other modal properties that are more

00:34:49.119 evident like over 17 is the flat 2 of

00:34:52.719 over 32 over 19 is the flat 3 of over 32

00:34:57.839 over 57 is the flat 7 of over 32 which

00:35:01.760 is the

00:35:02.720 perfect fifth of over 19. so now we

00:35:04.880 start to get this like consistent modal

00:35:06.880 logic like we would have if we're

00:35:08.160 playing on a piano but we can actually

00:35:10.160 see it manifesting in the harmonic

00:35:12.079 series at a large scale and of course

00:35:13.920 i'm just using a cs12 or a 12 note map

00:35:16.800 as a simple way to describe this

00:35:18.480 property because we all know 12 edo and

00:35:21.040 we all know how it functions so if you

00:35:22.800 have a minor third and we go up a

00:35:24.800 perfect fifth now we have a minor

00:35:26.800 seventh right well a lot of people who

00:35:29.359 have this strong emphasis on the over

00:35:31.599 two philosophies what they'll do is

00:35:33.680 they'll say oh our flat seven of over

00:35:36.240 two if we have a twelve note map has to

00:35:38.240 be the four against seven right because

00:35:40.480 that's very fundamental the harmonic

00:35:42.240 series but the problem is when you use

00:35:44.720 that four against seven you are now

00:35:46.800 precluding the 19th harmonic from being

00:35:50.000 a true minor third in the system because

00:35:52.400 what you're doing is you're going to

00:35:53.520 actually have this really really like 30

00:35:56.000 flat 40 cent flat 5th from your flat 3

00:35:58.640 to your flat 7. and if we're aware of

00:36:00.720 modal logic we really need to have our

00:36:02.880 mediant pillars having the ability to

00:36:04.560 support each other and reinforce each

00:36:06.240 other so in this way if we have the 43rd

00:36:08.880 now we have the 2 of 19. if we have the

00:36:11.440 19 then we can have the 57. um the 51

00:36:14.800 the 51st harmonic typically if you look

00:36:17.040 at traditional justification approaches

00:36:18.640 mapped on 12 notes they'll put the 13th

00:36:20.880 harmonic on flat 6. well that's a great

00:36:23.599 sound we do love that of course but if

00:36:25.839 you use the 51st harmonic

00:36:28.400 all of a sudden everything opens up now

00:36:30.560 we gain the 5 of our flat 2 which is the

00:36:33.280 17th harmonic because 17 times 3 is 51.

00:36:36.640 so we end up really fleshing out and

00:36:39.520 detailing more modal structure when we

00:36:42.000 allow ourselves to be more free with the

00:36:43.839 harmonic series and of course we're only

00:36:46.000 right now talking in the 5l2s or the 12

00:36:48.480 note mapping

00:36:49.680 constant structure but this modal logic

00:36:51.359 can be applied to other things like you

00:36:54.400 know over 31 ends up being the tetricot

00:36:57.200 second of over seven or the sort of um

00:37:01.440 so it's just all sorts of things you

00:37:03.839 know the flat 7 of 17 is the 60th

00:37:06.720 harmonic

00:37:08.000 and so on and so forth and if we don't

00:37:11.440 use the harmonic series in a larger way

00:37:13.760 and we don't free the primes the prime

00:37:16.880 harmonics

00:37:18.079 these internal modal logics of the

00:37:20.079 harmonic series will not reveal

00:37:22.400 the goal of all this is to eventually

00:37:24.160 understand enough connections to where

00:37:26.240 the first 128 or 256 or 512 harmonics

00:37:30.880 can be conceived of in totality and

00:37:33.359 musically useful moments between them

00:37:35.680 and connections reveal themselves a

00:37:38.240 limit-focused approach or

00:37:39.440 lattice-focused approach will

00:37:41.040 fundamentally never reveal these

00:37:42.480 connections and thus never fully free

00:37:44.720 the harmonic series of course the

00:37:46.400 lattice approach can make these

00:37:47.680 connections we can say oh we've got

00:37:49.680 fifths going in this connection and so

00:37:51.359 we could go here and then out of fifth

00:37:53.119 but to try to unify all the harmonic

00:37:55.119 series together it won't happen in that

00:37:56.800 approach because for us to use the 43rd

00:37:59.200 harmonic and for us to use the 61st

00:38:01.280 harmonic along with the fifth harmonic

00:38:03.280 and the 7th and the 11th and the 13th

00:38:05.119 and the 17th and the 19th and the 23rd

00:38:07.839 well we are going to be staring at an 8

00:38:10.320 dimensional lattice which i think some

00:38:12.720 mathematicians could could compute but

00:38:15.520 why do it that way when we can just more

00:38:17.200 simply play the harmonic series

00:38:20.720 so

00:38:21.440 in summary

00:38:22.640 these fundamentals

00:38:24.560 adoption of them

00:38:26.320 or movements toward them could be

00:38:28.240 described as primotalism

00:38:30.800 and i believe this is why a perspective

00:38:32.960 like this has not been advanced sooner

00:38:35.599 if you're looking at it through the lens

00:38:37.119 of traditional ji treatment it's kind of

00:38:39.599 impossible to see this perspective um

00:38:42.160 and you know what's really interesting

00:38:43.280 to me is

00:38:46.240 this really isn't that like

00:38:48.800 novel to me this was the most obvious

00:38:51.040 way to organize the harmonic series i

00:38:53.359 started playing with the harmonic series

00:38:54.720 and very quickly realized that when you

00:38:56.720 stack above a prime you get all unique

00:38:58.560 material stack above a prime octave you

00:39:00.800 get all unique material except the fifth

00:39:02.880 and the octave stack again you get all

00:39:05.119 unique material except the four five six

00:39:07.760 seven and everything between all prime

00:39:09.599 colors and you know we also see this in

00:39:12.880 fort for analysis of pitch class sets

00:39:15.760 and tone rows you know we basically have

00:39:18.560 um allen ford's system of organization

00:39:21.200 for pc sets in 12 edo and those are all

00:39:24.320 organized by prime form

00:39:26.800 right we can take a pc set turn it into

00:39:29.520 prime order and that tells us the most

00:39:31.520 sort of reduced and simplified version

00:39:33.680 of it but for some reason we haven't

00:39:35.359 been doing this with with the harmonic

00:39:37.119 series we've been doing the opposite

00:39:38.800 we've been comparing and sorting

00:39:40.640 everything around compositeness instead

00:39:43.359 of primedness which is very strange

00:39:45.040 because then we're not really seeing the

00:39:47.040 thing at its most

00:39:49.680 sort of

00:39:50.640 foundational point

00:39:53.040 ah

00:39:54.079 okay

00:39:55.680 there we go everyone so that's the

00:39:57.359 majority of what i wanted to talk about

00:39:59.359 today

00:40:00.240 um

00:40:01.119 i'll give some impressions on on

00:40:02.800 different primes so i think um

00:40:05.680 two harmonic

00:40:07.599 three triprimal

00:40:09.599 5 pencil

00:40:11.440 these are very much

00:40:12.960 structural pillars 2 and 3 are like

00:40:16.400 fundamental units of structure they do

00:40:19.200 generate their own sounds the further

00:40:20.640 you factor them higher but they're very

00:40:22.560 much elements of structure pencil is

00:40:26.240 where we pintle and septal five and

00:40:28.400 seven are very similar in that their

00:40:30.640 octaves do not have a lot of data

00:40:32.480 contained in them and when we start to

00:40:34.240 factor them we get obviously

00:40:35.680 increasingly more data but they behave

00:40:38.400 very similarly so to me pintle and

00:40:40.960 septal kind of exist in this middle

00:40:43.040 ground if we think about it like a sort

00:40:44.560 of map or a sort of

00:40:46.880 area

00:40:47.839 two and three are very small they

00:40:49.440 require lots of factorization to reach

00:40:52.079 new colors with and for that reason they

00:40:54.480 sort of operate like multiplying pillars

00:40:57.599 um five and seven these are an

00:40:59.680 interesting space they're kind of

00:41:01.920 too small

00:41:03.119 to really be like totally standalone

00:41:05.200 except for seven when it comes into the

00:41:06.720 second and third octave

00:41:08.240 um but they're extremely useful and

00:41:10.079 pintle is very gorgeous in fact i was

00:41:12.079 working on a piece in pencil ji recently

00:41:15.359 all over over 10 over 20 over 40. very

00:41:18.079 gorgeous stuff um

00:41:20.560 things start to change around 11

00:41:23.599 13

00:41:24.880 11 and 13 are the sweet spots this is

00:41:27.520 where you have enough material in your

00:41:30.000 first octave and enough material in your

00:41:32.240 second octave to where it's very easy to

00:41:34.240 navigate everything is completely

00:41:36.079 distinct and clear so those are probably

00:41:38.319 my favorites 17 and 19 start to expand a

00:41:41.680 lot and they're very very very useful

00:41:45.040 but they start to expand a bit much

00:41:47.280 especially in their second and third

00:41:48.720 octaves tom winspear says pentyl and

00:41:50.880 septim will make such gorgeous basic

00:41:52.720 pentatonics and heptatonic scales i

00:41:55.040 agree completely i was working on this

00:41:56.880 piece i'll go ahead and play it for

00:41:58.000 everyone here

00:41:59.200 here's some pintle sounds that i was

00:42:00.640 working with the other day

00:42:02.640 some pencil string qualities

00:42:04.640 um

00:42:05.839 so these are all over five

00:42:07.760 over five elements

00:42:09.440 here we go

00:42:12.000 i'm singing over five as well all this

00:42:13.920 is over five

00:42:16.300 [Music]

00:42:38.400 i'd see

00:42:41.040 you again

00:42:47.599 i'm lost

00:42:59.920 and also this this is all pencil

00:43:08.000 it's so gorgeous

00:43:09.520 like you said it makes a great diatonic

00:43:14.830 [Music]

00:43:25.180 [Laughter]

00:43:26.700 [Music]

00:43:37.040 these are some pencil sounds you know

00:43:38.880 one of my favorite things about pencil

00:43:40.640 is the acute fourth that it gets it has

00:43:42.800 a 519 cent fourth

00:43:49.200 i love it

00:43:52.050 [Music]

00:43:56.880 it's just so beautiful and that's the

00:43:58.560 thing if you're like

00:44:00.400 you would normally avoid that in a

00:44:01.680 traditional approach we'd say no we want

00:44:03.040 our fourth to be four three you know but

00:44:05.359 i don't want my fourth to be four three

00:44:06.960 all the time i want to be four three if

00:44:08.880 i'm in over three but if i'm you know

00:44:11.520 over 14 or over nine or whatever

00:44:14.560 i don't really want it to be three four

00:44:16.480 well over nine it wouldn't be too

00:44:18.000 problematic now uh here's another thing

00:44:21.200 this is over pencil

00:44:22.920 [Music]

00:44:49.119 that sample's out of tune though it's

00:44:50.560 kind of annoying

00:44:52.120 [Music]

00:45:11.520 and here's the septimal super fourth 528

00:45:16.000 pencil like five

00:45:20.560 see i love that take a listen to these

00:45:22.160 differences here's the 528 super fourth

00:45:30.000 here's the 519

00:45:34.800 oh you can't compare it different

00:45:35.920 octaves whatever uh and here's some

00:45:37.839 septimal colors this is a septal major

00:45:39.520 13 sharp 11 sharp 15.

00:45:45.359 over seven sounds so pretty

00:45:51.390 [Music]

00:45:53.060 [Laughter]

00:45:56.400 it's so gorgeous you know here's tri

00:45:59.280 decimal major 7 sharp 11 versus septimal

00:46:02.400 major 7 sharp 11 so the over 13 major 7

00:46:04.880 sharp 11 first the and this is what i

00:46:06.720 mean about you know when we start to

00:46:08.000 think about the primes as like color

00:46:09.440 families then we can take these

00:46:10.960 generalized ideas of chords or mos

00:46:13.200 structures or familiar scales and then

00:46:15.200 we can punch them through these color

00:46:16.640 palettes and then we end up working with

00:46:18.560 familiar qualities but we end up with a

00:46:20.319 vast

00:46:21.200 new swash of colors it's kind of like

00:46:23.440 you know if you're familiar with with

00:46:25.119 chord scale theory from jazz it's like

00:46:26.640 we can say there's a root we can say

00:46:28.400 there's a chord type and we can say

00:46:29.760 there's a voicing well now we can say

00:46:31.440 there's a root a prime color a chord

00:46:34.000 type and a voicing so it basically gives

00:46:36.480 us another dimension of color that we

00:46:38.000 get to inject in our sonorities so here

00:46:40.000 is the major 7 sharp 11 in over 13

00:46:42.319 versus over 7.

00:46:53.119 there's the septimal version

00:46:57.520 settle major seven is very lifted it's

00:46:59.359 like a super major

00:47:00.960 pinched kind of

00:47:02.560 it's very uh sort of orangey for me

00:47:05.280 it's more lifted yeah i don't like using

00:47:06.960 sine waves either to live in house army

00:47:08.480 harmony sounds that's another thing i

00:47:09.920 see a lot of people do i don't i don't

00:47:11.760 understand that at all that was the saw

00:47:13.280 way filtered

00:47:19.280 this is a septimal minor seven add four

00:47:21.599 pork nine falling comma nine so i use

00:47:24.240 like pork nine to refer to like this

00:47:25.680 hundred and sixty two hundred and sixty

00:47:27.760 seven cent flat nine thing um so it's

00:47:31.280 like a there's like a minor seven add

00:47:32.800 four with like a pseudo half flat nine

00:47:35.040 with a falling comma nine

00:47:37.630 [Music]

00:47:47.800 [Applause]

00:47:52.920 [Music]

00:47:56.960 huh

00:48:01.080 [Applause]

00:48:01.110 [Music]

00:48:07.360 [Applause]

00:48:12.850 [Music]

00:48:19.359 you will never get these cords if you

00:48:20.960 care about prime limit

00:48:22.720 that's kind of that's kind of the sad

00:48:24.640 part of it you know um because i mean

00:48:26.880 that would have been like a 30 or no

00:48:28.880 that would have been like a

00:48:30.480 a 37 limit uh 31 it's got 37 it's got 31

00:48:35.359 it's got

00:48:36.480 you know tons of other things right so

00:48:39.200 there's literally no way that you would

00:48:40.640 ever get that if you're doing prime

00:48:42.000 limit unless you somehow decide to land

00:48:44.160 on some part of the lattice that

00:48:45.599 approximates this i don't know so this

00:48:47.599 is why we do it this way uh let's see

00:48:49.440 here now um

00:48:52.160 i've got some other comparisons here for

00:48:53.680 you check this out um i've got some

00:48:56.559 comparisons here i think you'll like

00:48:58.000 damian clark you said these direct

00:48:59.200 comparisons are really helpful reminds

00:49:00.960 me of how the edo edo yes exactly damian

00:49:03.520 clark like you can take an idea of a

00:49:05.200 major seven right and then you can

00:49:06.640 render it through multiple edos and hear

00:49:08.480 the shades of color this is the exact

00:49:10.559 same thing but only it's harmonic

00:49:12.160 segment colors organized by primacy and

00:49:14.880 it allows us to sort of add another

00:49:16.319 dimension of color to all the chord

00:49:18.480 types here's an example of that so all

00:49:20.480 of these are going to be minor 11's okay

00:49:24.079 i want to make sure i got this right

00:49:26.800 okay all of these are going to be minor

00:49:28.720 11s all right but these are all going to

00:49:30.800 be different prime minor 11s first we're

00:49:33.440 going to start with undecimal

00:49:36.240 hold on let me make this more

00:49:38.000 lively i want to make it so um

00:49:40.240 so it's velocity sensitive so i can

00:49:41.760 voice them better

00:49:45.599 hold on one second

00:49:49.200 okay there's that and let me also attach

00:49:50.720 the velocity sensitivity to the to the

00:49:53.040 filter

00:49:59.359 okay so here we go we're going to look

00:50:01.200 at minor elevens on

00:50:04.160 one two three four

00:50:06.640 five six seven eight nine

00:50:10.079 we're gonna listen to nine different

00:50:12.160 prime families all rendering minor 11.

00:50:15.119 let's go ahead and take a listen so

00:50:16.480 first off we have undecimal

00:50:26.740 [Music]

00:50:30.880 now try decimal

00:50:40.720 maybe better if i programmed these hold

00:50:42.480 on i'm not vibing on that timber either

00:50:44.400 one second

00:50:49.040 had the softest little bit of phase

00:50:52.079 oh you guys won't be able to hear that

00:50:53.200 face because it's mono isn't it

00:50:55.440 huh

00:50:56.559 sucks for you all

00:50:58.000 let me add just a little bit of reverb

00:50:59.680 too you know that's another thing people

00:51:01.280 are always like oh you use ji but use

00:51:02.720 lots of reverb and detune your stuff

00:51:04.240 well yeah the center point is still ji

00:51:06.400 though and that's what matters

00:51:08.480 okay here we go so undecimal first

00:51:15.520 try decimal

00:51:16.700 [Music]

00:51:19.920 spreads out

00:51:21.760 septum decimal

00:51:22.780 [Music]

00:51:26.240 gorgeous

00:51:27.599 november

00:51:28.570 [Music]

00:51:33.839 i love that it's got that that kind of

00:51:35.680 lifted

00:51:36.450 [Music]

00:51:46.079 so that was me going back and forth

00:51:47.359 between the over 19 minor 11 and the

00:51:49.680 over 17 minor 11. i agree when decimal

00:51:53.119 is best girl i appreciate that and

00:51:55.200 definitely my waifu okay

00:51:56.920 [Music]

00:51:58.160 let's just compare minor thirds here's

00:51:59.520 the one decimal minor third

00:52:02.960 oops that's 289

00:52:08.319 here's tridecimal at 304

00:52:09.940 [Music]

00:52:13.680 here's 281 septum decimal

00:52:24.880 330 it's a super minor kind of energy

00:52:28.079 to me this this minor third always

00:52:30.079 sounds very paranormal so i would

00:52:32.319 describe it okay and then we got 277

00:52:36.960 oh very close to

00:52:39.839 close to this

00:52:42.310 [Music]

00:52:47.760 close but once again it's not about

00:52:49.680 diods right when i add the entire

00:52:51.200 structure in

00:52:52.150 [Music]

00:52:55.200 versus

00:52:56.220 [Music]

00:52:59.520 very different energy so that was the um

00:53:02.000 the that was the

00:53:03.440 vice minor 11 the over 23.

00:53:05.600 [Music]

00:53:07.760 it's actually very similar to 12 video

00:53:09.760 except a little darker okay and then

00:53:12.000 this is the ultra

00:53:13.440 ultra harmonic this is like over 32 or

00:53:15.440 whatever over 16 so this one's going to

00:53:17.200 fuse really hard

00:53:18.690 [Music]

00:53:24.240 here how locked in that is but once

00:53:26.079 again that's what you get if you like

00:53:28.559 are focusing on

00:53:30.480 this lower complexity ji stuff you know

00:53:32.640 i mean that still has the 19th harmonic

00:53:34.079 in it but that's what you get and i mean

00:53:36.000 that's not bad but i mean it almost

00:53:37.440 fuses too much

00:53:39.280 out of all of those to me that one had

00:53:40.720 the least amount of color

00:53:42.330 [Music]

00:53:43.920 sounds good but compared to like

00:53:47.599 i'd rather have that one any day of the

00:53:49.119 week you know so i like to use the

00:53:51.440 simpler colors as a way to fuse

00:53:53.839 everything

00:53:55.200 not yet electro flame but i will

00:53:56.800 definitely talk about that at some point

00:53:58.240 maybe not the stream we're just talking

00:53:59.599 about prime modality in general but now

00:54:01.280 here's pencil

00:54:02.310 [Music]

00:54:07.839 absolutely gorgeous and now here's

00:54:09.839 compound this is over 18 okay compound

00:54:12.559 like i said is less distinct than other

00:54:14.000 things but it's still cool

00:54:18.880 so here i'm going to compare all these

00:54:20.160 back to back so you can hear them

00:54:22.720 easier because i can only play so many

00:54:24.640 notes at once okay so here we go we're

00:54:26.800 going to say i'm starting to get sweaty

00:54:28.800 too okay let's see all this music theory

00:54:31.280 oh my camera went out one second this

00:54:33.200 would be a great time for me to change

00:54:34.400 my battery

00:54:35.760 like my battery not my camera's battery

00:54:37.440 but my like my my cyborg battery one

00:54:39.440 second

00:54:54.720 okay

00:54:56.160 i'm gonna turn no i think the fan will

00:54:57.760 be too loud i wanna keep the audio

00:54:59.440 quality

00:55:02.720 y'all i am so hot and sweaty right now

00:55:05.599 because i turn my ac off to teach

00:55:12.160 okay now let us continue with our

00:55:14.559 journeys of the harmonics series

00:55:17.200 okay now

00:55:19.440 we were just now looking at this

00:55:22.240 so we're going to say undecimal try

00:55:24.400 decimal so 11 and then 13.

00:55:30.960 and then we're going to say i think we

00:55:32.160 have uh that comes after that and i

00:55:33.920 forget what order these are in so um

00:55:35.760 decimal tridecimal septum decimal

00:55:37.760 someone typed in chat for me um type and

00:55:40.000 chat this type 11

00:55:42.000 then dash 13 and then dash and then 17

00:55:47.680 and then dash

00:55:49.200 19

00:55:50.480 dash 23

00:55:52.799 dash

00:55:54.240 16 or 2 if you want

00:55:56.640 dash 5

00:55:59.119 dash

00:56:00.480 18 18-37

00:56:04.160 that's going to be the order of these

00:56:05.599 and if someone listened to me and did

00:56:07.119 that um

00:56:08.559 poggers that's all i'll have to say

00:56:10.000 about that so let's see i think that was

00:56:12.079 11 13. thank you teresa hey oh my gosh

00:56:16.000 you all did look at you you're all such

00:56:17.520 great listeners thank you

00:56:19.119 gosh i'm blessed blessed be okay that's

00:56:22.240 so sweet okay so now what we're going to

00:56:23.760 do is i'm going to play all these chords

00:56:24.880 at once or i'm not going to play all

00:56:25.760 these at once but so we have one two

00:56:27.680 three four five six seven eight

00:56:30.880 nine let's go ahead and listen to all

00:56:32.079 these so each successive chord is this

00:56:34.720 pattern okay so let's take a listen

00:56:38.079 13 or excuse me 11

00:56:40.880 13.

00:56:43.150 [Music]

00:56:51.440 now i kind of baited you all i think the

00:56:52.880 rhythm changed there so let me fix that

00:56:54.960 a little rhythm thing there yeah i'm not

00:56:57.599 very good at numbers you guys might

00:56:59.040 think i'm like oh wow like so much

00:57:00.559 number so i'm not very good at numbers

00:57:02.880 i'm good at sounds and so i just focus

00:57:05.040 on them as sounds and then i wouldn't

00:57:06.319 have even figured all the stuff out

00:57:07.760 about about the numbers if i just wasn't

00:57:09.520 listening to the sound so yeah i'm not

00:57:11.440 really a number person although i think

00:57:13.040 i could be if i if i learned math but i

00:57:15.520 i was i'm very bad eyesight terrible

00:57:18.160 eyesight and i was seated in the back of

00:57:20.000 a math class when i was um

00:57:22.079 when i was sixth grade or seventh grader

00:57:23.920 and because of that i couldn't see what

00:57:25.119 was on the board and then i ended up

00:57:26.079 falling behind in math and i failed like

00:57:27.520 algebra one like three times so

00:57:29.599 definitely not a math person okay let's

00:57:31.760 see here i mean i am intuitively but not

00:57:34.240 uh yes oh my god this is live indeed and

00:57:36.880 we've gone through a lot so there's a

00:57:38.799 lot to catch up on if you watch this in

00:57:40.319 the past okay so here we go i'm going to

00:57:42.319 play all these chords once again

00:57:44.480 and we're going to listen to how they

00:57:46.000 all sound so 11 13 17 19 you can just

00:57:49.440 watch as they scroll by and you can hear

00:57:50.960 the different qualities between them

00:58:03.760 cool i like how the 37's so shimmery

00:58:07.040 it's because it doesn't have a perfect

00:58:08.160 fifth right because that's the only one

00:58:09.359 out of all of them that stayed within

00:58:11.200 the first octave

00:58:13.760 now let's do this but arpeggiate them

00:58:15.200 because who cares about block chords

00:58:16.720 right that's just

00:58:18.079 lame stuff so we're gonna do now we're

00:58:20.160 gonna go ahead and stretch these a

00:58:21.599 little bit larger

00:58:23.440 large and in charge okay there we go

00:58:26.400 and now we're going to arpeggiate for

00:58:28.400 what i think i don't think music theory

00:58:29.440 has any useful relationship with

00:58:31.920 max uh i think there's a lot of people

00:58:33.680 in chat who will vehemently disagree

00:58:35.599 with you

00:58:36.799 i mean i agree and disagree i think

00:58:38.960 there's

00:58:40.480 inseparable connections to math but i

00:58:42.559 don't think that music is made for math

00:58:44.559 i think that music is made for ears and

00:58:46.240 so i think that you can absolutely gain

00:58:48.400 profound insights into music through

00:58:50.480 math but i don't necessarily think that

00:58:53.040 you can like

00:58:54.240 um

00:58:55.520 necessarily quantitatively describe

00:58:57.920 things that'll sound good so i like to

00:59:00.079 approach music with my ear and then see

00:59:02.400 what the numbers say afterwards i like

00:59:04.000 to justify i like to justify well i like

00:59:06.799 to take sound and then um see how the

00:59:09.040 numbers line instead of you know

00:59:10.799 creating sounds through the generation

00:59:12.319 of numbers but there's probably a

00:59:13.599 million people in chat who will

00:59:14.799 literally argue you until you are dead

00:59:17.520 um because there are many mathematicians

00:59:19.200 in the microtunnel community and they

00:59:20.960 have done some pretty cool things

00:59:22.480 although there is a uh there's a bit of

00:59:24.799 a problem you see and i don't mean to

00:59:26.799 poke fun at this or anything but

00:59:29.119 oftentimes if someone is brilliant in

00:59:31.200 mathematics

00:59:32.720 they are not brilliant in composition

00:59:35.359 right

00:59:36.400 composition is a different skill

00:59:40.160 than math and so there's a bit of a

00:59:42.160 problem which is where even if the

00:59:43.920 mathematician's theories are incredible

00:59:45.760 and amazing

00:59:49.440 oftentimes they can't really prove how

00:59:51.440 good their theories sound because they

00:59:53.119 don't really

00:59:54.319 have the compositional chops too whereas

00:59:56.799 me i mean i can you could give me a

00:59:58.960 bunch of random sounds and i'll turn

01:00:00.319 into something you know um because i'm a

01:00:02.559 composer i'm not a mathematician i'm a

01:00:04.720 composer first and foremost and so i

01:00:06.640 think that's a little bit of a problem

01:00:08.160 because i i really do believe that the

01:00:10.160 mathematicians have found incredible

01:00:11.680 things i mean irv wilson i don't know if

01:00:13.440 he was a mathematician but mos

01:00:15.440 moment of symmetry is probably okay so

01:00:18.240 so you'll okay good max you're my friend

01:00:20.000 you can argue those people if they come

01:00:21.280 and chat or whatever but you know i

01:00:22.880 think mos is probably one of the most

01:00:24.400 important music theories that has ever

01:00:26.559 been conceived of i think it's one of

01:00:28.400 the great ways to unify generalized

01:00:30.319 structures and and i think it's

01:00:32.079 incredibly powerful and i think that but

01:00:34.720 then again i mean i don't think irv

01:00:36.400 wilson found that strictly through math

01:00:38.400 right like he found that through

01:00:39.920 observing sounds and observing different

01:00:41.760 cultures and realizing that they had

01:00:43.599 certain note forms and structures that

01:00:45.520 were kind of general you know so

01:00:49.520 i don't know if we can necessarily say

01:00:50.880 imo like mos was fully formalized by

01:00:53.520 mathematicians but i don't know if we

01:00:55.200 can say that mos was invented or found

01:00:57.920 by mathematicians

01:00:59.520 because it seems to me like we had

01:01:01.200 technically found mos

01:01:03.200 for hundreds of years right

01:01:05.200 we know the diatonic 5l 2s that we play

01:01:07.440 in on our keyboards i mean that's mos

01:01:09.839 the diminished scales mos um kind of

01:01:12.720 technically sort of but so i don't well

01:01:15.359 i guess no it's not because it's all one

01:01:17.040 step size um i guess really 12 video

01:01:19.599 doesn't have a lot of good mos sizes or

01:01:22.000 mos forms but anyways i am i'm rambling

01:01:25.440 now so yeah um

01:01:28.480 herb wilson invented dude what was it

01:01:31.599 yeah mls are more of a geometric

01:01:33.200 observation you know interestingly i

01:01:35.200 independently started figuring out and

01:01:37.359 discovering mos on my own before i knew

01:01:39.839 what they were when i first came into

01:01:41.040 the micro tonal community i posted

01:01:42.240 screenshots of this too when i first

01:01:43.839 came to the micro tonal community i was

01:01:45.599 basically talking about generalized

01:01:47.520 structures generalized harmony and then

01:01:49.920 i was taking generalized harmony and

01:01:51.920 passes passing it through these prime

01:01:53.760 colors and it turns out the generalized

01:01:55.920 harmony is just basically mls so but i

01:01:58.319 would have never found it or formalized

01:02:00.640 it as elegantly because i don't have

01:02:02.240 those that skill set you know but it's

01:02:04.240 pretty obvious to see like i'm pretty

01:02:05.760 sure the first thing i ever did in 31

01:02:08.000 edo was i stacked up five plus five plus

01:02:10.640 five plus five plus five plus five plus

01:02:12.480 one which i guess is something like what

01:02:15.440 is it does anyone know what that is

01:02:16.799 called that quote temperament see i

01:02:18.799 think it was mos i don't really agree

01:02:20.400 with the tempered implications of that

01:02:22.000 mos but does anybody know what that what

01:02:23.920 that structure is called i'm gonna look

01:02:25.280 it up just because it's it's uh it's

01:02:27.119 annoying me now

01:02:28.520 31.80 is in wiki i'm sure it's listed on

01:02:31.440 the under that five uh so six fives and

01:02:34.799 one

01:02:35.599 that was the very first scale i ever

01:02:37.440 played in thirty one edl it was just so

01:02:39.200 obvious um

01:02:41.200 so people will call that luna hemi

01:02:43.440 thirds hemi schmidt

01:02:46.480 yeah i think i think i'm a pass on that

01:02:48.480 one

01:02:50.720 so um you know i also found quote

01:02:52.960 unquote mothra mossara very quickly i

01:02:56.720 also found new i mean i found all these

01:02:58.960 mosses inside of 31 within like one day

01:03:01.680 of playing in 31 because you know if

01:03:03.839 you've read um

01:03:06.319 if you've read um persecution vincent

01:03:08.559 percy caddy's 20th century harmony

01:03:10.799 he talks about these

01:03:12.559 you know i mean the idea of generative

01:03:14.799 interval class composition structures or

01:03:17.200 interval interval constructed core

01:03:18.880 that's not really new and to me it seems

01:03:21.680 like really mos stuff is just you know

01:03:24.079 an interval construction chord or a

01:03:25.920 composite interval chord where you only

01:03:27.680 have two interval sizes and it lands

01:03:29.039 back at the octave you know in fact one

01:03:31.119 of the first places i ever heard about

01:03:32.400 this was an interview with ben monder if

01:03:34.480 you guys don't know who ben monder is

01:03:36.000 incredible jazz guitarist probably one

01:03:38.240 of the most

01:03:40.240 incredible harmonists and harmony

01:03:42.400 thinkers i've ever heard you need to

01:03:44.559 listen to ben monder37 that tune is on

01:03:48.079 another level he's on another level

01:03:50.240 harmonically and i would do anything to

01:03:52.160 hear him play microtonality because i

01:03:54.559 can already tell he's he's like thinking

01:03:57.039 micro tonally but in 12 and he's kind of

01:03:59.440 in the 12th thing so deep but um you

01:04:02.079 know he even talks in this linear jazz

01:04:04.079 guitar playing master class video on

01:04:06.160 youtube it's got 59 60 000 views you

01:04:08.720 know he literally says let's see i'll

01:04:09.839 pull it up

01:04:11.039 flat five which will give us an e minor

01:04:13.680 seven five five eleven

01:04:16.240 he's cracked he's like musically cracked

01:04:18.400 out of his mind if you guys don't know

01:04:19.839 this dude gonna listen to him

01:04:21.680 maybe not now cause i want you to tune

01:04:22.799 into my stream of course but

01:04:24.839 um he's just he's cracked on another

01:04:27.359 level descend from the roots starting on

01:04:29.599 the side it's like it just it's just

01:04:31.119 this thing

01:04:33.039 and just plays amazing music turning on

01:04:35.039 the sixth

01:04:36.400 [Music]

01:04:38.559 anyways

01:04:39.680 somewhere in one of these videos though

01:04:40.960 he's like

01:04:41.920 he like talks about like extended

01:04:43.359 harmonies that you can do and at one

01:04:45.280 point he's like interval comp interval

01:04:47.760 construction chords second fourth second

01:04:50.000 fourth and and those if they fall on the

01:04:52.319 octave they're literally just

01:04:55.280 mosses so i don't know the whole mls

01:04:57.760 thing is really interesting i didn't

01:04:59.200 understand mos until i stopped kind of

01:05:01.920 trying to think of it in the way that

01:05:03.920 people

01:05:05.119 think i don't know it didn't make any

01:05:07.039 sense to me people the way that people

01:05:08.240 were describing mos to me until i

01:05:10.079 started thinking about them as chords

01:05:11.280 and then it makes perfect sense and now

01:05:12.559 the way that people normally describe

01:05:13.760 them makes perfect sense to me too i

01:05:15.280 don't know why people don't just say oh

01:05:16.799 an mos yeah it's where you take any step

01:05:18.880 size and you stack it and then you take

01:05:20.720 another step size and if you mix and

01:05:22.400 match those and they hit an octave

01:05:23.760 you've created an mos that makes it like

01:05:25.839 a lot easier also i think moses should

01:05:27.839 be taught visually on like a piano roll

01:05:29.440 or something because you can literally

01:05:30.960 see him if i draw a line on fl studio

01:05:33.440 like 31 notes up or whatever and then i

01:05:35.599 just stack things until they close like

01:05:37.599 congratulations you discovered

01:05:40.319 mos um let's see i'm trying to find that

01:05:43.200 here i think this is the master class

01:05:44.880 let's find it they're like short one

01:05:46.880 minute videos

01:05:55.970 [Music]

01:05:57.520 melodic minor scales and harmonic minor

01:06:00.000 scales major diminished diminished minor

01:06:05.119 he sounds so the fifth and the seventh

01:06:07.200 he sounds so bored with what i call a

01:06:09.599 mini bar double drop two and three

01:06:12.960 so reposition that's such a stretch i

01:06:14.799 don't know how i play stuff like that

01:06:16.000 first inversion

01:06:17.599 second scale

01:06:19.280 i can't i want to find it it's it's

01:06:21.280 somewhere two of them i clicked on i

01:06:22.640 haven't found it but you know he

01:06:24.079 basically is describing mos

01:06:26.079 okay let's see

01:06:27.920 double drop two and three his and he

01:06:29.359 stretches like

01:06:31.359 he's like oh and he's like cracked out

01:06:33.119 of his mind he's crazy um you gotta go

01:06:35.599 thanks for being epic it was lovely

01:06:36.880 having you here oh you know while i'm

01:06:38.640 here it's been over an hour i should

01:06:40.480 promote my my stuff if you want to

01:06:42.559 support my music i know i'm on my music

01:06:44.000 channel so if you just want to support

01:06:45.200 my music creation

01:06:46.720 throw a dollar on patreon throw three

01:06:49.520 dollars i don't care um but anything

01:06:51.920 helps even a dollar because you know

01:06:53.920 bigger number better person

01:06:56.240 more happiness um

01:06:58.400 i i'm joking but for real if you want to

01:07:00.799 support what i do musically or you want

01:07:02.319 to support the work i do with voice hop

01:07:04.319 on over to my patreon and check it out

01:07:06.319 um even a dollar you know that lets me

01:07:09.039 um

01:07:10.079 have better mental health

01:07:11.760 joking okay so there is a there is that

01:07:15.039 and um so now where was i at again um i

01:07:17.920 was about to play this so here we go uh

01:07:20.240 here are minor 11 chords arpeggiated in

01:07:23.440 these prime families so here they go

01:07:26.480 i'll make it a little slower too

01:07:28.330 [Music]

01:07:30.000 i hate this hamburger let me make it

01:07:31.440 more pleasant to listen to maybe a

01:07:32.880 triangle will be better

01:07:38.160 yeah much better okay here we go

01:07:43.480 [Music]

01:07:45.700 [Laughter]

01:07:47.660 [Music]

01:07:54.960 oh gorgeous

01:07:57.520 oh

01:08:03.760 that pencil one just hits so different

01:08:05.660 [Music]

01:08:08.880 oh gosh

01:08:10.559 isn't that wild

01:08:13.280 it just like feels like it's like going

01:08:14.720 up i don't know how to describe it it's

01:08:16.080 like

01:08:16.880 expanding

01:08:18.640 but yeah it's flatty too it's like dark

01:08:20.319 but expansive

01:08:23.040 here let me show you guys some cool

01:08:24.158 chords

01:08:25.040 uh so those anyways those are some

01:08:26.319 comparisons of different prime intervals

01:08:28.960 and stuff bigger mls bigger person yeah

01:08:32.000 dude i love that that's like one of my

01:08:33.198 favorite ludwig quotes ever bigger never

01:08:34.960 better person i think about that a lot

01:08:36.960 because it's easy to fall into that trap

01:08:38.238 as a content creator but you know you

01:08:40.000 have to separate your like worth as a

01:08:41.679 person from all that stuff otherwise

01:08:43.600 you'll just like go literally crazy

01:08:45.520 check this out i guarantee none of you

01:08:47.198 have heard a minor chord this extended

01:08:49.839 it'd be cool to collaborate with sevis

01:08:51.359 savage and i have talked and been in

01:08:52.880 voice chat together and

01:08:54.640 you know shot the the stuff

01:08:58.719 how about this

01:09:01.680 [Music]

01:09:08.719 this is a gigantic minor chord

01:09:15.279 i forget exactly how deep it's extended

01:09:16.880 but there's like some minor 23 or minor

01:09:19.120 24 thing or something 22 something

01:09:21.759 here's a super lydian so this is like

01:09:23.679 you know lydian on top of lydian uh as

01:09:26.319 the call your heads would call them

01:09:27.600 hyper mega super metal lydian or

01:09:29.120 whatever but this is it in just

01:09:30.399 intonation we don't want it in equal

01:09:32.158 temperament who cares about that

01:09:36.500 [Music]

01:09:46.520 [Music]

01:09:49.359 how about these giant cords

01:09:50.560 [Music]

01:09:57.390 [Applause]

01:10:00.400 these are all extended above the 20th

01:10:02.159 and they're all just in station

01:10:04.640 oh okay let's see here

01:10:09.440 oh this is a beautiful in case you guys

01:10:11.520 don't know the 5l3s mms is actually

01:10:13.760 really awesome you guys should check

01:10:14.880 that out um dylathian

01:10:17.840 minarian etc

01:10:20.080 this is gorgeous

01:10:25.790 [Applause]

01:10:26.720 [Music]

01:10:37.840 uh

01:10:45.190 [Music]

01:10:56.400 and this is a ji

01:10:58.800 this is a ji dailathian thing so uh this

01:11:02.400 was in um this is like a 5l3s tridecimal

01:11:06.960 thing so that would have been this that

01:11:08.960 would have been in this eighth note

01:11:10.159 scale here

01:11:11.600 and that's what you were just listening

01:11:12.880 to

01:11:18.640 here's another

01:11:19.760 example of that

01:11:25.180 [Music]

01:11:35.920 these scales don't have a perfect fifth

01:11:37.760 in fact they have like a 50 cent flat

01:11:40.000 fifth

01:11:41.040 and that's like the key defining feature

01:11:42.960 of it it's like you don't get a fifth

01:11:46.320 it was lovely having you here andrew

01:11:47.679 moore

01:11:51.440 there's more dilathian stuff

01:12:03.260 [Music]

01:12:06.640 i love that

01:12:08.850 [Music]

01:12:36.640 i'm using spitfire strings re-tuned into

01:12:39.679 ji

01:12:41.679 it's kind of i have to glitch it

01:12:43.679 they don't they don't allow themselves

01:12:45.120 to be re-tuned easily so i have to break

01:12:46.640 them and then re-tune them

01:12:52.159 here's the scale by the way so this is

01:12:54.080 it going up

01:13:02.640 wait i think it starts here

01:13:04.400 okay so this is the eight note scale

01:13:06.640 going up one note at a time

01:13:08.159 over root

01:13:09.760 there's our second

01:13:12.960 [Music]

01:13:41.679 all together

01:13:44.640 diatonic chords up

01:14:00.660 [Music]

01:14:06.320 so there's like the diatonic block

01:14:07.679 chords uh someone pacifist asks mos and

01:14:10.320 ji he uses harmonics as interval steps

01:14:12.880 question mark or does it quantize the

01:14:14.560 nearest harmonic compared to edo steps

01:14:16.880 yeah so there's kind of multiple ways

01:14:18.480 that you can do it um

01:14:21.360 so for instance what i like to do is i

01:14:23.280 like to use edo's and and use mos inside

01:14:26.400 of edos and then i'll find an edo form

01:14:29.280 that i like like for instance i really

01:14:31.199 like the 6l1s in 34 edo that's really

01:14:35.520 good this dylathian structure that i was

01:14:38.000 just playing i think this is based in 40

01:14:41.280 it's it's what is it i forget what it's

01:14:43.199 like it's sort of pre-images so i think

01:14:45.440 about a pre-image whether it's from a

01:14:46.880 linear timberman or from an edo or

01:14:49.120 whatever

01:14:50.239 and then i'll take that pre-image that i

01:14:52.640 aesthetically like and then i will find

01:14:55.360 a place in the harmonics series which

01:14:57.360 supports it and then that will become

01:14:59.600 like my like authentic rendering of that

01:15:01.760 given kind of mos right um so for

01:15:04.880 instance like with with with my 34

01:15:06.800 tetraco thing or i don't want to say

01:15:08.960 heterococcus i don't like the temper

01:15:10.239 implications of it anymore but with the

01:15:12.199 34edo 6l1 s thing

01:15:15.840 like i i looked really hard to find like

01:15:17.679 what the like truest ji expression of

01:15:19.920 that thing is and i found one that's

01:15:21.679 really accurate it's this

01:15:26.800 sounds so true to the 34 edo tetracon

01:15:30.480 but only it's ji

01:15:45.440 i hate to say tetragon

01:16:20.480 is that my classic pattern

01:16:23.600 good to know classic zia i've got some

01:16:25.360 trends huh yeah i'm a creature of habit

01:16:28.000 i only make what i love

01:16:30.880 okay so that's cool i like that this is

01:16:32.640 a 13 13-tone modal union uh taking that

01:16:35.360 term from enthar

01:16:36.800 um

01:16:37.600 you can use ji's interval and stack it

01:16:39.040 and then octave uses a pythagorean yeah

01:16:41.440 so though i get so that dilathian

01:16:43.840 pattern i'm trying to figure out what i

01:16:45.440 pre-imaged that off of i think i

01:16:47.360 pre-imaged it off of some 40 something

01:16:50.719 edo i forget what it was but anyways

01:16:52.880 i'll typically find some some mos sound

01:16:55.679 and edo i really really like and then

01:16:58.159 i'll go and look for where that is

01:17:00.239 supported inside the harmonic series so

01:17:03.040 in this case that dilathian or the 5l3s

01:17:06.560 first mode that actually happens to be

01:17:08.880 really well supported by

01:17:11.840 over 23 and over 26 so this means that

01:17:15.760 then i can kind of just sneak around so

01:17:18.159 if i'm working the harmonic series and

01:17:19.600 i'm using a segment that has 23 26 29 30

01:17:22.880 34 38 39 44 46 and now i instantly have

01:17:27.679 a vice a more tertial 5l3s or you know

01:17:31.040 it also has an inversion so i guess

01:17:32.400 minarian would be like on over 26. and

01:17:34.719 this is kind of what i meant about point

01:17:36.239 nine of my like tenants or sort of

01:17:38.560 pillars of prime modality is that modal

01:17:41.280 logic works in the harmonic series when

01:17:44.080 you use these constant structure

01:17:45.440 frameworks so if i use a for instance

01:17:48.320 ryonian

01:17:49.679 and my ryonian is on the the 28th

01:17:52.480 harmonic i'm naturally going to get

01:17:55.679 mixoryonian on the 31st harmonic so we

01:17:59.120 can actually see these like modal

01:18:00.560 implications for those of you who don't

01:18:02.000 know ryonian is like the the lydian

01:18:04.400 equivalent in tetracot or in the 6l 1s

01:18:08.560 and so then its second step if we're

01:18:10.320 comparing it to lydia would be mixo

01:18:12.080 ryonian or mixolydian as we would see in

01:18:14.080 5l2s so you know the same modal logic

01:18:17.760 applies to these structures and it makes

01:18:20.080 things a lot easier to navigate

01:18:22.400 and it shows you modal relationships

01:18:25.199 that you won't see otherwise and to me

01:18:27.840 that's the big value of prime modality

01:18:29.679 because after i see enough of these

01:18:31.920 relationships and consider enough of

01:18:33.520 these relationships then it's like boom

01:18:36.080 now i can freely move around the

01:18:37.440 harmonic series and understand you know

01:18:40.000 how these modes relate to each other and

01:18:41.440 which like which prime happens to go

01:18:43.760 where like for instance if we're

01:18:44.960 thinking about if we're thinking about

01:18:46.560 um ionian uh from 5l to s if we're

01:18:50.560 thinking of ionian as a pre-image and we

01:18:52.960 think about building that on the 32nd

01:18:55.199 harmonic or over two family

01:18:57.840 43rd 43 is gonna be our perfect fourth

01:19:02.239 and you know like i said earlier a lot

01:19:03.920 of people will try tooth and nail to

01:19:05.679 make four three

01:19:07.280 be the perfect fourth of over 2 but then

01:19:10.480 you end up compounding and then you're

01:19:11.760 not in over 2 anymore because over 2 is

01:19:13.679 not visible by 3 so we can't really have

01:19:16.640 a 4 3 in there unless we move to a

01:19:18.719 composite which is fine that's cool but

01:19:22.800 43 then ends up being like the natural

01:19:26.000 modal fourth of 32 unless you go way

01:19:28.719 higher and think i think from 128 above

01:19:31.840 that there's there's something a little

01:19:33.760 simpler or there's something more

01:19:34.719 complex it's closer to the 500 cent

01:19:37.520 fourth from uh 12 video ionian but 43

01:19:41.040 harmonic opens up so much that it

01:19:43.360 actually functions

01:19:45.120 regularly like the fourth would in 1280

01:19:48.960 so you know this is kind of what a lot

01:19:51.040 of these modal implications start to

01:19:52.960 create out of

01:19:55.040 oh i wasn't done earlier i kind of

01:19:56.800 should have said this at the beginning

01:19:57.840 but so i was talking about um

01:20:00.560 when i was thinking about

01:20:02.840 um

01:20:04.560 so i mentioned earlier two and three are

01:20:06.639 like

01:20:07.520 formal pillars

01:20:09.040 right and then i mentioned five and

01:20:10.880 seven are similar they're like halfway

01:20:13.440 halfway color families halfway pillars

01:20:15.760 but they can be both depending on how

01:20:17.520 far you factor

01:20:18.800 then i mentioned 11 and 13 are like a

01:20:20.480 sweet spot 17 and 19 are also a sweet

01:20:22.639 spot but a bit bigger i would consider

01:20:24.560 them like the micro tonal versions of 11

01:20:27.199 and 13 if you'll entertain that analogy

01:20:29.760 for now

01:20:30.719 um and then 23 is our next prime 23 is

01:20:34.560 actually very interesting um

01:20:37.040 it's probably the last prime where

01:20:39.440 things are very clean and also 23 has

01:20:43.440 tremendous similarities to 12 edo if

01:20:46.080 you're wanting something that sounds

01:20:47.360 like 1280 over 23 is gonna be your best

01:20:50.239 bet it pretty much hits the flat six

01:20:52.719 within like one cent it hits the major

01:20:54.719 third within like 1.4 cents um it hits a

01:20:58.080 lot of things very accurately as

01:21:00.080 approximations if you're into 12 edo

01:21:01.920 sound but won't adjust intonation

01:21:04.560 and it also has some other cool stuff

01:21:06.800 and then we get to 29 and this is where

01:21:08.480 things get interesting because now if we

01:21:10.400 start to factor these twice our integer

01:21:12.880 amount really starts to increase if we

01:21:14.639 think integer limit really starts to

01:21:16.560 increase so i think of these as more

01:21:18.560 like micro lineal or nano lineal like

01:21:21.199 these are very

01:21:22.560 these are very micro tonal forms of the

01:21:25.199 prime families you know they're very

01:21:26.800 they get very small very quick and the

01:21:28.880 first octaves are still very distinct

01:21:30.719 and very functional 31 or yeah 31 is

01:21:34.320 very important very functional i

01:21:35.520 mentioned earlier that 31 is a tetracon

01:21:37.600 second of 28 so i mean that to me that

01:21:40.719 knowing that relationship alone is is so

01:21:43.600 valuable um and then you know 37 has a

01:21:46.719 lot of value the triceptimal area um and

01:21:49.760 i mean

01:21:50.639 there's just a lot of value up there but

01:21:53.920 the higher you go on the primes the more

01:21:55.440 they start to

01:21:56.480 the more they become to me like pillars

01:21:58.800 of structure where we think about how

01:22:00.480 they relate to other things and where

01:22:02.000 they fall inside of other things as

01:22:04.560 opposed to necessarily them being fully

01:22:06.239 standalone i mean they can be standalone

01:22:08.719 for sure and there is uses to use them

01:22:11.520 in standalone like if you're working on

01:22:13.280 creating a nudgy that you really want

01:22:15.199 sort of strict adherence but you also

01:22:17.280 want um

01:22:18.480 non-reducibility you would want to use a

01:22:20.560 prime that's a lot higher like i've used

01:22:23.120 73 and 3 before it's kind of a compound

01:22:26.000 prime thing a semi-prime that gets

01:22:27.679 generated how efficiently can you

01:22:29.520 actually get the stuff from your brain

01:22:30.880 to your daw

01:22:32.480 i don't have any problem

01:22:33.920 um

01:22:35.040 if you use an edgy it's like you just

01:22:36.960 are composing in an edo but you just

01:22:38.639 have ji

01:22:40.480 right so like when i write witchcraft

01:22:42.239 i'm using a 29 nedgie so it feels like

01:22:44.719 i'm writing in 29 edo but everything

01:22:46.719 just sounds better

01:22:48.400 and then when i have to reach for

01:22:50.080 subsets of things what i'll do is i will

01:22:52.400 just duplicate my instrument and use a

01:22:54.000 subset so like for instance in in

01:22:59.360 in witchcraft i use

01:23:01.600 a subset tuning i use the 29 nedgie

01:23:05.199 which is over 11 and 13. it's a

01:23:07.440 semi-prime

01:23:08.800 thing segment because i wanted some of

01:23:10.400 the information from 11 first octave

01:23:12.719 some of the information from 13's first

01:23:14.800 octave so it's 11 times 13 and then

01:23:17.280 that's what my

01:23:18.719 29

01:23:19.760 note

01:23:20.639 neggy is tuned out of but then there's

01:23:23.040 other things that come in there

01:23:25.120 such as these um

01:23:27.360 where is it at let's see if i can find

01:23:28.639 it real fast such as this this quarter

01:23:30.880 and decibel minor 11 flat 6 with commas

01:23:33.920 this is a really important thing in

01:23:35.840 witchcraft and

01:23:37.440 it's not hard to get because i just load

01:23:39.040 it as a different instrument

01:23:42.030 [Music]

01:23:46.000 and then i just play it as a seven note

01:23:47.600 thing

01:23:48.160 [Music]

01:23:56.400 oh yeah i've got my keyboard

01:24:05.980 [Music]

01:24:12.800 so yeah now so we have those other seven

01:24:14.560 notes and then if i want to bring in the

01:24:16.239 29 notes you know i have a different

01:24:17.679 instrument 29 neggy and i know how to

01:24:20.000 compose in 29 edo or 29 edgy and so it

01:24:22.320 just ends up being like this

01:24:30.239 yeah pretty simple

01:24:32.320 is free form jim probably moving

01:24:34.080 fundamental and meta-harmonic structures

01:24:36.080 possible to your ideal extent with the

01:24:37.760 lumatone um

01:24:39.840 yes and no i think it is possible if you

01:24:41.840 set it up right we're currently in the

01:24:43.280 process of that

01:24:44.800 my dear friend tom winspear who might be

01:24:46.960 in chat so it's pretty late in the uk so

01:24:49.120 i'll assume tom went to bed at this

01:24:50.639 point um but you know tom winspear

01:24:53.920 recently sent me a layout for a 53 note

01:24:57.920 neggy which basically captures all the

01:25:00.239 way up to the 61st harmonic oh you are

01:25:02.239 still here tom it's late there

01:25:04.639 so um thanks for staying up and joining

01:25:06.159 us here but yeah so i mean that's about

01:25:08.480 the closest we've gotten to free

01:25:10.840 ji so far giving a haircut i hope it

01:25:14.239 turns out well and even of course um

01:25:16.719 yeah so um

01:25:18.560 it's uh

01:25:19.760 yeah so there's basically that component

01:25:21.280 of it where

01:25:22.480 it is possible um it's challenging i

01:25:25.199 think what we could probably do is with

01:25:26.639 the advance of the the infinitone

01:25:28.560 software that um subrag has been

01:25:31.120 developing i think it will be possible

01:25:33.040 soon and i think that i think the

01:25:34.880 infinitone software seems uniquely

01:25:36.880 developed for prime modality and it's

01:25:38.960 kind of what zubrog said he said he was

01:25:40.480 very influenced by my ideas and stuff so

01:25:43.440 that means now we've got this software

01:25:45.040 coming out that's pretty much set up to

01:25:47.360 do this and bend between it so we could

01:25:49.440 actually take a 12-note framework or a

01:25:50.960 21-note framework or a 31-note framework

01:25:53.440 and we could actually bend between the

01:25:54.880 prime families while we are playing and

01:25:57.600 that is a game changer all together so

01:26:01.840 we do love that very much

01:26:04.800 what tuning is this in

01:26:06.320 oh oh here are these um

01:26:08.480 minor 11s with a piano

01:26:11.660 [Music]

01:26:20.560 we know that's no in decimal right

01:26:22.080 everybody knows that's known decimal you

01:26:23.440 should know it by now

01:26:25.520 sounds too paranormal to be anything

01:26:27.040 else

01:26:31.380 [Music]

01:26:38.400 and since these are all closely related

01:26:40.239 and they're similar structures we can

01:26:41.600 use them as commas

01:26:47.240 [Applause]

01:26:57.679 do

01:27:00.450 [Music]

01:27:13.840 oh oh my lips crashed

01:27:17.040 farewell fruity loops yes knives well

01:27:19.360 does have a nice crunch to it i agree

01:27:20.800 it's a very very gorgeous

01:27:22.719 very gorgeous thing

01:27:25.840 okay so

01:27:27.520 now everybody

01:27:29.360 um what shall we do now

01:27:31.520 well i think i've said most of the

01:27:33.040 important things i think maybe we'll do

01:27:34.480 a follow-up stream on this where we

01:27:36.159 codify things maybe on some paper and we

01:27:38.080 go through things a little more detailed

01:27:39.280 but the first 30 minutes of this was me

01:27:41.199 kind of lecturing and i think it was

01:27:42.480 very well organized so i think that'll

01:27:44.400 be good for people now whenever people

01:27:46.080 say what's prime modality i can just

01:27:49.040 i can just hit him

01:27:50.480 i can hit him with this

01:27:53.900 [Music]

01:28:02.560 yeah baby

01:28:05.920 what's the name of that guitarist i

01:28:07.440 talked about earlier

01:28:08.800 um

01:28:09.840 you mean wod wizard i think you mean

01:28:11.600 parallel prime modality right because

01:28:13.280 relative prime modality would be like

01:28:15.040 you know the 43rd is the fourth of 32.

01:28:17.920 uh

01:28:18.800 when then parallel would be like you

01:28:21.280 know we're moving between

01:28:23.120 uh prime modes while staying on the same

01:28:25.120 form or whatever which

01:28:26.560 ultimately the goal for me has always

01:28:28.239 been to do parallel prime modality and i

01:28:30.159 have done it in some works but doing it

01:28:32.080 right now with the digital tools we have

01:28:33.360 available is actually a lot of work so i

01:28:35.920 think i might be able to find some

01:28:37.120 parallel you know someone once said oh

01:28:40.320 you can't tonicize those things so i

01:28:41.840 made this thing and messed with their

01:28:43.120 ear a little bit where we had um

01:28:45.440 parallel prime modality yeah bin monitor

01:28:47.199 was the guitarist let's see if i can

01:28:48.719 find this parallel prime modality

01:28:51.440 i don't know what i saved it as

01:28:53.679 um

01:28:55.440 i don't know what i saved it as but

01:28:57.679 it's a

01:28:59.520 it's a bit of a trip for sure

01:29:02.800 where's that

01:29:04.320 gosh

01:29:06.800 ooh 24 tone tetrav scale

01:29:11.520 no clue what this is

01:29:14.560 no idea what this is let's see how it

01:29:15.840 sounds

01:29:17.040 oh

01:29:18.080 i remember this super comma

01:29:23.600 ji

01:29:24.880 it's a ji24 thing where it's like tetrav

01:29:27.600 so it's like a 24 note

01:29:29.440 unique scale instead of 12 note

01:29:42.880 sounds pretty good

01:29:44.960 have you guys ever heard

01:29:46.960 do you guys think if i play oh my camera

01:29:48.480 overheated do you guys think if i play

01:29:50.320 ariana grande

01:29:52.960 but slow down on the stream you think

01:29:54.639 i'll get uh you think i'll get cease and

01:29:56.639 desisted

01:29:58.320 that's a question if i play ariana

01:30:00.159 grande slow down do you think i get

01:30:01.520 cease and desisted i don't think i will

01:30:03.600 just to not risk it but

01:30:05.440 i don't i don't want to risk it i don't

01:30:06.960 want to risk it

01:30:09.440 i'm thinking

01:30:10.719 i'm thinking no

01:30:12.800 cease and desist please

01:30:17.280 you think i would get cease and desist

01:30:19.679 okay let's see here arkanism a door what

01:30:22.480 is this

01:30:24.320 oh

01:30:25.440 i forgot

01:30:27.679 oh this is you guys know eurivia right

01:30:30.239 this is eurevia the one of the earliest

01:30:32.480 demos of it back when it was called a

01:30:34.400 door

01:30:40.239 it's changed so much

01:30:45.440 sounds way worse

01:30:46.880 um oh and this is the first demo of it

01:31:03.199 european oh hey let me oh i should

01:31:05.280 probably share my screen or do something

01:31:06.560 visual i'm letting my camera not

01:31:08.400 overheat because it overheated so maybe

01:31:10.639 i should end my stream here but

01:31:19.040 okay let's see here there's there's a

01:31:20.960 sound i'm trying to look for though

01:31:22.800 where i

01:31:24.080 where i used parallel prime modality

01:31:26.159 where every chord was a different

01:31:29.040 where every core was a different prime

01:31:30.159 mode but it all had the same root

01:31:32.159 it was really really cool um i wish i

01:31:34.560 could find it i don't know

01:31:36.400 what month i did it i have to think

01:31:37.920 about what month i did that in

01:31:40.639 not that

01:31:41.760 was it this what is this

01:31:44.560 oh

01:31:45.760 i don't remember this

01:31:47.840 oh this isn't like

01:31:49.600 jimmy

01:31:51.930 [Music]

01:32:04.719 really loud

01:32:12.159 interesting i forgot about this

01:32:14.320 zadiac

01:32:15.280 [Music]

01:32:20.560 i'll probably never release this so

01:32:23.040 [Music]

01:32:25.120 do you announce when you're gonna stream

01:32:26.960 nah i just hit live

01:32:31.830 [Music]

01:32:51.920 oh

01:32:54.510 [Music]

01:32:58.400 let's see select font make it smaller

01:33:02.239 too small

01:33:05.280 too small

01:33:13.120 [Music]

01:33:18.719 yeah so i'll never release that piece um

01:33:21.920 but it was a fun one you know there's

01:33:23.600 also this one i think i've played it on

01:33:25.120 stream before but this is one of those

01:33:27.040 pieces oh estrella

01:33:28.800 that was also europia at one point um

01:33:31.340 [Music]

01:33:32.560 there is this one piece that i started

01:33:34.800 working on a long time ago that i never

01:33:36.400 finished i guarantee you all would like

01:33:38.719 it but i'm not ever gonna finish it i

01:33:40.800 don't think

01:33:41.920 so i think i might play it and see just

01:33:44.719 to hear it because i haven't listened to

01:33:45.840 it in a long long long time oh yeah i

01:33:48.639 think on my album i'm gonna do prayer

01:33:49.920 room in justin's nation it was

01:33:51.679 originally in 31 edo

01:33:53.679 but it kind of it kind of hits different

01:33:56.239 in ji so um

01:33:59.120 like i think let's see where's it at

01:34:01.760 um

01:34:02.639 i don't know if you guys have heard it

01:34:03.679 in just intonation but it sounds crazy

01:34:08.980 [Music]

01:34:25.440 do

01:34:38.719 do

01:34:47.360 sounds so good

01:34:53.440 [Music]

01:35:04.800 it's in a 31 neggie of 23 and 6.

01:35:12.320 you know i didn't know until after i

01:35:14.000 went and analyzed prairie room after i

01:35:15.520 wrote it that it's almost all super

01:35:17.040 major

01:35:18.159 this thing

01:35:19.280 is super major

01:35:23.600 it's kind of like this

01:35:25.360 weird

01:35:29.040 this is the original

01:35:33.920 harrison ji

01:35:40.719 i just love that

01:35:43.040 so much better

01:35:51.840 okay now i said i'd play this song that

01:35:54.159 i never released

01:35:56.719 let's see

01:36:09.280 this isn't 17 nedgie

01:36:11.760 i know there's a lot of 17 fans in chat

01:36:14.490 [Music]

01:36:22.840 oh uh

01:36:24.719 laura you can just say um

01:36:27.360 wait with that song i was just playing

01:36:29.840 that's just prayer room you can ask me

01:36:31.760 about prayer room

01:36:33.040 oh this is 17 edgy

01:36:37.040 why won't you release it because i'm

01:36:38.480 working on my technical album

01:36:40.639 and

01:36:41.440 it's not in the right line of energy

01:36:50.700 [Music]

01:36:56.400 okay camera coming back on

01:36:59.140 [Music]

01:37:05.040 okay we are back hello

01:37:08.159 i'm so sweaty too

01:37:09.840 like melting

01:37:12.320 okay so there's that junk now let me

01:37:14.000 show you the junk i'm looking for this

01:37:15.520 is gonna be an old junker that stays

01:37:17.360 dead in my in my thing so i might as

01:37:18.960 well share it with you all to enjoy oh

01:37:21.280 you know there's this piece i've been

01:37:22.159 working on for like three years called

01:37:23.360 polymorphing i need to release it

01:37:25.119 because it's actually done i just

01:37:27.040 haven't released it isn't that

01:37:28.080 ridiculous okay let's see how do you

01:37:30.320 decide what you're releasing you don't

01:37:32.239 i either releases or it does i don't

01:37:34.960 there's no rhyme or reason i wish there

01:37:36.639 was

01:37:38.080 if there was a rhyme or reason i'm sure

01:37:39.920 it would work better okay here we go

01:37:41.360 here's this junk 31 tone future bass i'm

01:37:44.000 sure i've played on stream before but

01:37:45.119 here you go

01:37:48.239 oh i know why i don't want to release

01:37:49.280 this i don't want to release it because

01:37:50.080 i don't feel like re-singing it and i

01:37:51.360 feel like the vocals suck so i'm too

01:37:53.199 lazy to vocalize it

01:37:57.820 [Music]

01:38:12.400 maybe i will release him

01:38:14.320 i don't know

01:38:17.030 [Music]

01:38:25.760 the goal of this was to make was to make

01:38:27.760 like future base in 31.

01:38:31.199 yeah this was this was 31 future base

01:38:34.159 that's what it's actually called at the

01:38:35.760 moment

01:38:37.370 [Music]

01:38:41.119 now i think this has lyrics i don't like

01:38:42.840 anymore i want to play the one without

01:38:45.040 lyrics but we'll see if this has lyrics

01:38:46.480 or not so we'll just hold five

01:38:49.510 [Music]

01:39:03.920 this is

01:39:09.070 [Music]

01:39:22.639 let's go

01:39:28.650 [Music]

01:39:35.760 oh this is sick right here

01:39:37.700 [Music]

01:40:03.520 so

01:40:05.150 [Music]

01:40:19.520 oh

01:40:20.820 [Music]

01:40:28.960 oh that's not a tune that's gross

01:40:34.000 [Music]

01:40:44.080 is

01:40:46.780 [Music]

01:41:01.679 yeah i don't like the bubbles either

01:41:03.280 that's kind of why i don't want to what

01:41:04.960 does that attune mean not

01:41:06.800 unintended it's bad vocals yeah that's

01:41:09.679 why i haven't released it i don't feel

01:41:11.600 like redoing the vocals um

01:41:14.400 but i also feel i don't know maybe i'll

01:41:16.560 do instrumental for it

01:41:22.430 [Music]

01:41:26.320 yeah i like it without the vocals let's

01:41:27.840 see i think i have a non-vocal version

01:41:32.480 no i don't wait here

01:41:39.119 no see i put vocals on it really early

01:41:41.679 oh

01:41:43.520 i just have a lead on this too check it

01:41:44.880 out

01:41:50.080 maybe i should get rid of the vocals and

01:41:51.600 replace it with these leads take a

01:41:52.800 listen to this kind of slaps

01:41:54.890 [Music]

01:42:06.800 like that lead is actually kind of nasty

01:42:20.320 i think maybe just more more more

01:42:22.159 like that would be so sick

01:42:24.719 yeah so there's that

01:42:26.320 that's that 31 tone soul

01:42:30.320 so there's that um i'll probably never

01:42:32.560 see the light of day although it

01:42:33.600 actually is kind of nice i'm kind of i'm

01:42:35.600 kind of feeling it now actually so

01:42:37.199 that's kind of why i like going through

01:42:38.400 old stuff i haven't released with you

01:42:39.679 all because sometimes i hear stuff and

01:42:41.440 i'm like why did i put that down like

01:42:43.679 viola where is why have i not finished

01:42:46.320 that i was like so inspired on viola and

01:42:48.639 then it just

01:42:49.679 it just ceased to be but i think i have

01:42:51.840 to finish it for my album so my album is

01:42:54.159 very close to being done everybody

01:42:56.400 very very close

01:42:57.920 and there's this piece that i kind of

01:43:00.320 think i need to do on it that i don't

01:43:02.400 really want to do so there's one piece i

01:43:04.239 haven't even started yet that i know has

01:43:06.080 to be finished it's called goddess and i

01:43:08.800 have to finish it it's been

01:43:10.719 guest state gestating in the mind for

01:43:12.639 like

01:43:14.000 probably like 11 months now

01:43:16.320 um and parts of it have came out in

01:43:18.560 other pieces but i haven't like made it

01:43:20.880 so i have to finish it conceptually

01:43:22.719 before i'm done with my album which kind

01:43:24.080 of sucks because i'm also

01:43:26.639 focused on hex at the moment and it's

01:43:29.280 kind of like there's so many there's so

01:43:31.040 many things i was going to use some

01:43:32.719 other pieces i've already released but i

01:43:34.239 kind of want to not

01:43:36.320 not release those and instead i feel

01:43:38.080 like i feel like the conception of my

01:43:39.840 full-length album is becoming so

01:43:41.440 increasingly clear to me that i know

01:43:43.280 exactly what i have to do but it means

01:43:45.119 that i have to i have to finish a piece

01:43:46.719 that's about 30 done and then i have to

01:43:48.960 start a new piece and given the fact

01:43:51.040 that i work so much and i do my voice

01:43:52.560 stuff and everything like that that

01:43:54.080 means my full-length album might not be

01:43:55.760 done for a while which i really hate

01:43:57.199 that idea but i don't want to rush it

01:43:59.600 but

01:44:00.400 like this

01:44:02.239 oh wait hold on where's viola i think i

01:44:04.320 played it on stream here at one point

01:44:05.600 but i think i've got it here somewhere

01:44:09.520 i love how it sounds i think i think i

01:44:12.159 would be able to find it just by

01:44:13.040 searching 34 because it's in 34 neggy

01:44:16.080 um nope i didn't find it 1334 nedji i've

01:44:18.800 played it on stream before i know i have

01:44:20.239 but i love it so much and

01:44:23.199 i really kind of need to finish it but i

01:44:25.920 kind of don't want to do that piece yet

01:44:28.000 i want to do something else so

01:44:30.560 it's kind of a

01:44:33.040 challenging decision

01:44:36.159 check this out yeah i'm going to post a

01:44:37.760 stream of the video the entire point of

01:44:39.440 it was the first 30 minutes of it was

01:44:40.800 like an exposition on the theories of

01:44:42.320 prime modality so it's definitely going

01:44:44.000 to stay up on my channel because

01:44:44.960 whenever people ask me what is prime

01:44:46.239 modality i can just click on this video

01:44:48.400 check this out though um i added a bunch

01:44:50.320 of hex i'm not going to spoil all of it

01:44:52.400 if you guys have not heard hex yet

01:44:54.480 it's crazy and this part is crazy crazy

01:44:56.719 i added this

01:45:02.010 [Music]

01:45:22.560 so

01:45:31.340 [Music]

01:45:45.550 [Music]

01:45:48.730 [Applause]

01:45:51.870 [Music]

01:46:01.000 this is so sick

01:46:19.040 is

01:46:30.639 that is like oh my god

01:46:33.600 i love that texture that all scent stuff

01:46:36.320 no that's acoustic cello that's me

01:46:38.400 playing cello

01:46:41.600 yeah that's that's acoustic um

01:46:44.000 yeah that was all live

01:46:46.080 [Music]

01:46:51.440 this entire piece is pure just

01:46:52.960 intonation or free pitch

01:46:55.200 [Music]

01:46:57.600 cello do go burr especially when you run

01:46:59.840 it through homicide

01:47:01.840 oh i forgot about this part

01:47:03.760 it's a demo i've got to make it better

01:47:09.650 [Music]

01:47:32.080 you know

01:48:30.400 she

01:49:01.199 i love it this is my favorite piece i've

01:49:02.800 ever created i feel it's one of the most

01:49:04.960 conceptually cohesive things i've ever

01:49:07.199 made but at the same time it's the least

01:49:09.600 musically cohesive but

01:49:11.440 because it's like

01:49:12.960 thematically so cohesive the music can

01:49:15.520 be so jagged and it works fine and it's

01:49:19.040 so powerful i've been working on this a

01:49:20.560 little bit every day and then i export

01:49:22.000 it every night and then i lay in bed and

01:49:23.360 listen to it and it's just like it is

01:49:25.199 yet to get boring to me and it's just

01:49:28.159 it's a trip so that was like that was i

01:49:30.400 started playing it eight minutes in so

01:49:32.000 you guys heard and remember also like i

01:49:34.080 said on the last stream i did that's in

01:49:35.679 mono so

01:49:37.199 when you hear that in stereo it's going

01:49:38.960 to hit so hard and

01:49:41.440 also i want to thank

01:49:43.040 osno austin one who was in chat here um

01:49:46.080 she gave me some awesome feedback on it

01:49:48.400 and that feedback has helped me make it

01:49:50.080 a lot better and as i was chasing some

01:49:52.159 of that feedback that entire extra

01:49:53.920 section i just played was born so

01:49:56.960 um it's it's uh it's kind of a monster

01:49:58.880 piece i also added this vocal part last

01:50:00.239 night i don't like it i think it's out

01:50:01.360 of tune so you know i'm gonna just demo

01:50:03.440 it but i've got this

01:50:16.480 so conceptually this is like an internal

01:50:18.400 like monologue like whenever it's pretty

01:50:20.960 that's like the pers that's like the

01:50:22.239 main character this like communicating

01:50:24.400 with themselves more like in a

01:50:26.960 kind of um

01:50:28.239 in a in a serie in a way where they're

01:50:30.800 seeing more clearly and they're like

01:50:32.800 understanding i don't want to spoil it

01:50:34.639 all but

01:50:35.760 those parts that are really pretty like

01:50:37.679 represent like the experience of this

01:50:40.480 directly and all the other parts are

01:50:42.719 like oh something else i'll say i

01:50:45.760 reached out last night to a videographer

01:50:48.880 a film person a lighting whatever

01:50:51.440 um maybe i don't know this is 100

01:50:53.920 confirmed yet i'm going to do some

01:50:55.119 research on this

01:50:57.040 i think i want to spend a bunch of money

01:50:58.639 and turn hex into like

01:51:00.880 a music video like a really good one

01:51:03.440 like and during that part where like the

01:51:05.119 drowning happens right here

01:51:07.920 like this

01:51:12.239 like i want to get some shots of me

01:51:13.840 strobe lighting like drowning underwater

01:51:15.920 like fighting

01:51:17.280 so i'm thinking i'm gonna drop drop some

01:51:20.000 high budget and make like a legit like

01:51:23.119 visual narrative to go along with this

01:51:25.119 but

01:51:26.159 that's

01:51:27.119 that's still to be determined right

01:51:29.040 because it's a it's a lot of work but it

01:51:32.000 seems like it would be awesome and the

01:51:34.400 hard thing is this piece is so

01:51:35.679 non-corporeal so many parts of it exist

01:51:38.400 in a place where there wouldn't be

01:51:39.840 physical bodies that it has to

01:51:42.719 has to capture that kind of energy and

01:51:44.639 then the moments where there is singing

01:51:46.560 where this is like active in the

01:51:48.239 character like it has to be like um

01:51:51.440 you know it has to i'll be there like

01:51:53.199 being the character or whatever um

01:51:55.280 having a trauma moment because it's just

01:51:57.679 one gigantic musical trauma pretty much

01:52:00.639 um for the character at least so anyways

01:52:03.199 that's hex i can't wait to drop it

01:52:04.800 here's the thing i'm going to dilemma

01:52:06.159 because it's about done i need to

01:52:07.760 re-record like a couple vocals i need to

01:52:09.599 process the vocals a little bit better

01:52:11.119 but it's pretty much done and i really

01:52:12.639 just want to release it on my youtube

01:52:14.840 but i also wonder if i should just not

01:52:17.760 release it and then wait till i finish

01:52:19.280 the album so that there's like more

01:52:21.199 content on the album that hasn't been

01:52:22.719 released that's the thing with albums

01:52:24.639 these days it feels like you know

01:52:26.719 um it feels like spending a bunch of

01:52:28.880 time because music's not my full-time

01:52:30.639 thing anymore right voice is my

01:52:32.080 full-time thing so

01:52:33.920 i don't get to work on music as fast as

01:52:35.599 i would like and so the idea of like

01:52:37.360 sitting on a piece you're really proud

01:52:38.960 of for like multiple months while you

01:52:40.639 wait for the other stuff to finish to

01:52:42.560 release all at once

01:52:44.639 it doesn't really feel like the it's

01:52:47.360 that worth it

01:52:48.960 you know what i mean but i think it

01:52:50.400 would be better in the long run because

01:52:51.840 i think i want to give everybody content

01:52:54.159 on the album they haven't heard yet but

01:52:55.599 i also don't know if it's that important

01:52:57.520 so

01:52:59.040 a bit of a dilemma there because i just

01:53:01.360 i've been doing this thing where it's

01:53:02.560 like the moment i finish a piece i

01:53:03.840 release it you know and that's kind of

01:53:05.199 been that's helped me

01:53:06.880 keep releasing stuff because it's like i

01:53:08.639 get this momentum where i build up this

01:53:10.320 piece and then i release it and share it

01:53:11.760 and it's out there and the idea of like

01:53:13.920 oh i've built this momentum i made this

01:53:15.440 thing and now i'm just like sitting on

01:53:17.119 it like that that kind of kills me i

01:53:19.280 haven't done that since like

01:53:21.119 my third full-length album and i

01:53:22.719 honestly don't like it so i mean i like

01:53:24.480 my third album but i don't like that

01:53:25.760 process of like oh i finished this thing

01:53:28.080 and now i'm just waiting for other

01:53:29.599 things to be finished because i don't

01:53:31.199 know goddess could take me two months it

01:53:32.800 could take me three months take me five

01:53:34.080 months i don't know how long it's gonna

01:53:35.199 take me and um viola that's gonna be a

01:53:39.040 long process too

01:53:40.639 so

01:53:42.239 i don't know

01:53:43.760 i don't know what the best

01:53:45.360 course of action is in terms of the

01:53:46.880 release of my album

01:53:48.639 uh singles have been going well for me

01:53:50.800 so maybe i release hex as a single and

01:53:53.119 then the future

01:53:54.400 release a music video for it i don't

01:53:55.920 know but i also want to have this

01:53:57.360 cohesive album drop because it's kind of

01:53:59.199 like

01:54:00.560 the album is is pretty crazy so

01:54:04.400 been sitting on a big album for four

01:54:06.000 years doesn't that suck like

01:54:08.480 yeah

01:54:09.920 i don't know how other people do it like

01:54:11.679 if music was my full-time job yeah

01:54:13.599 because i would finish my album within a

01:54:14.960 month literally i'd sit around here all

01:54:16.639 day long and compose music for like 12

01:54:18.880 to 16 hours a day like i used to and

01:54:21.040 then i would be done but i work a day

01:54:23.199 job and i have a side hustle and i make

01:54:25.360 content for a big bigger youtube channel

01:54:27.280 and i make content for this channel

01:54:29.360 and

01:54:30.320 when everything is all said and done i

01:54:31.840 don't really get that much time to

01:54:33.520 compose anymore i mean i get enough time

01:54:35.840 i can't really complain but

01:54:37.210 [Music]

01:54:41.920 oh here's this one

01:54:43.679 one tune

01:54:45.760 no

01:54:46.800 no

01:54:47.599 this one

01:54:49.280 i need to finish this one as well this

01:54:50.960 one's really important

01:55:04.080 bigger youtube channel

01:55:05.679 yeah i have a voice education channel

01:55:07.440 that's like 10 times the size of my

01:55:09.760 music channel

01:55:12.719 this is my this is like my like

01:55:23.760 that's also why

01:55:25.119 that's also why i don't release more

01:55:26.400 stuff on this channel or do some more

01:55:28.159 streaming on this channel because we've

01:55:29.760 had about 50 to 60 concurrent viewers

01:55:34.400 for the stream which is good for this

01:55:35.760 channel but if i go live with my other

01:55:37.199 one i'll get like 250 people like

01:55:39.440 instantly and um

01:55:41.280 you know what i mean it's just it's like

01:55:42.480 way bigger so there's kind of like a

01:55:44.320 weird thing streaming on this channel

01:55:45.520 because it's such a smaller impact but

01:55:48.080 but for like prime modality stuff like

01:55:50.239 i'm not going to do that on my other

01:55:51.360 channel because it's like

01:55:53.119 no one even knows what tuning is

01:55:55.300 [Music]

01:55:59.360 fake dracula i hate the idea of

01:56:01.760 tick-tock and i'm never going to go on

01:56:03.280 tick-tock so i'm trying to hire a

01:56:04.800 tick-tock

01:56:06.080 manager i need to hire someone to do

01:56:08.000 tick-tock stuff for me because i am

01:56:09.679 never getting on that application i

01:56:11.520 think it's brain worms

01:56:15.840 no you didn't miss a big theory channel

01:56:17.679 growing this is my theory channel well i

01:56:19.679 used to have a theory channel a long

01:56:21.199 time ago but then i

01:56:23.119 got i loved tuning sandwiches but then i

01:56:25.280 got rid of that theory channel

01:56:27.280 and now i have this one so i think i

01:56:29.920 could make this a big theory channel if

01:56:31.520 that's what i was doing

01:56:33.280 but instead i'm focusing on the voice

01:56:35.520 stuff first and foremost you know so um

01:56:39.520 yeah the tick tock stuff i know i'm

01:56:41.280 missing out on a huge audience but at

01:56:42.800 the same time i don't feel like

01:56:44.719 i feel like i want to be able to consent

01:56:47.040 to getting on tick-tock and right now

01:56:49.119 the way it works is like i'm not i don't

01:56:50.880 consent to be on tick-tock it's like

01:56:52.639 forcing me to be on tik-tok you know

01:56:55.360 what i mean so it's like the fact that

01:56:57.440 there's like this compulsive urge like

01:56:58.800 oh you gotta go get those numbers on

01:57:00.239 tick tock got to get more viewers on i

01:57:02.000 just i inten i then don't do it because

01:57:04.080 i have to have some degree of autonomy

01:57:06.320 over my actions and i feel like tik tok

01:57:09.040 puts me in a place where it's like more

01:57:11.119 numbers more numbers more people more

01:57:13.040 people go tick-tock tick-tock

01:57:15.760 yeah i don't even know i i i feel like

01:57:18.719 just tick-tock in general is just

01:57:20.880 brain rot i also feel like i like making

01:57:25.840 content that has a lot of in in value

01:57:28.400 like deeper value and i don't really

01:57:30.480 feel like you can do that on tick tock

01:57:31.840 even with a two minute video it's like

01:57:34.239 you know no one no one there is like

01:57:38.880 nothing on tick tock is giving you like

01:57:40.560 profound value unless it's maybe like

01:57:43.119 emotional pick-me-ups that are like you

01:57:44.719 can do it come on you know like things

01:57:46.639 like that probably have value for people

01:57:48.960 um like sure you can like laugh and see

01:57:51.440 like silly memes and you know someone

01:57:53.840 dances gets five million views or

01:57:55.599 whatever but i don't really think like

01:57:59.199 i don't really think it's that uh that

01:58:01.280 thing the other thing about tik tok

01:58:02.800 that's really weird

01:58:04.320 is because like exactly what you said

01:58:06.000 hamburghini self-promo is easy on

01:58:07.760 tick-tock due to that algorithm exactly

01:58:10.239 but the other thing is that the views

01:58:11.760 are inflated right like nobody would say

01:58:14.719 that two million views on tick tock is

01:58:16.480 equivalent to two million views on

01:58:18.080 youtube right i would almost wager that

01:58:21.119 a million views on tick tock is

01:58:22.639 equivalent to like 40 000 views on

01:58:25.440 youtube

01:58:27.199 you know it's uh i think the the it's

01:58:30.000 the way it inflates like if i open tick

01:58:32.239 tock right now and then i try to leave

01:58:34.239 the application and i hit back back back

01:58:37.199 it'll play three videos and those those

01:58:39.199 count as views for that person on their

01:58:41.360 video but was that actually like a view

01:58:44.639 you know like i'm trying to leave the

01:58:46.000 application i'm trying to just go back

01:58:47.520 really fast

01:58:48.560 but it still counts as a view the moment

01:58:50.000 i hit the thing when it loops over it

01:58:52.000 counts of you so somebody watching your

01:58:54.080 tick tock could watch it could

01:58:55.679 accidentally leave it on their phone

01:58:56.880 playing five times and now it gives you

01:58:58.320 five views

01:58:59.760 so i think the way i think what it does

01:59:01.679 is it utilizes and takes advantage of

01:59:06.400 i think it takes advantage of our desire

01:59:08.480 to

01:59:09.440 bigger number better person you know

01:59:11.599 like what we were talking about earlier

01:59:12.800 so it's like when you see on tick tock

01:59:14.080 like whoa like that person's like doing

01:59:16.000 that thing and they just got a million

01:59:17.199 views like doing that right it's very um

01:59:20.639 it's like it baits people in because it

01:59:23.119 shows whoa big number chase that go do

01:59:25.920 that but i don't really think that

01:59:27.280 number is quite the value that it would

01:59:29.760 be on other apps like if you got a

01:59:31.840 million likes on an instagram photo

01:59:34.400 like

01:59:35.280 that's crazy but if you get like a

01:59:37.280 million likes on tick tock that's crazy

01:59:39.119 too

01:59:40.080 but it feels a little less crazy you

01:59:42.719 know

01:59:44.159 like if i could choose a million views

01:59:45.760 on a youtube video or 5 million views on

01:59:47.679 a tick tock i'd probably choose a

01:59:49.520 million views on a youtube video

01:59:51.280 personally because i think that those

01:59:52.480 numbers are are more significant they're

01:59:54.639 weighted heavier

01:59:56.880 do you have perfect pitch no i don't

01:59:59.440 did you release your previous album on

02:00:00.800 spotify no i've never put anything on

02:00:02.719 spotify other than sola

02:00:04.639 yes i will release my current stuff

02:00:06.480 people always ask me when i'm gonna

02:00:08.000 upload my music to those platforms i

02:00:10.000 just haven't yet

02:00:11.360 part of my job is basically marketing a

02:00:13.040 programming language and we're supposed

02:00:14.480 to be making social content but

02:00:16.639 literally where do you start might as

02:00:17.920 well be talking to geese true

02:00:20.080 also doesn't it have an algorithm that

02:00:21.520 promotes more people with contract

02:00:23.199 conventionally attractive appearance

02:00:24.480 more i think that's true the entire

02:00:25.840 internet i think that's true the whole

02:00:26.960 world

02:00:28.000 i think that's called um

02:00:29.920 the halo effect

02:00:31.520 i don't necessarily think the algorithm

02:00:33.199 does that itself but people click videos

02:00:35.840 of people that are more attractive and

02:00:37.119 then they end up getting pushed to more

02:00:38.960 people because the algorithm is reacting

02:00:40.800 to the clicks right so

02:00:44.000 social media is crazy

02:00:47.119 crazy crazy stuff so

02:00:50.159 yeah

02:00:52.800 it's 63 prime 63 is prime isn't it

02:00:55.920 wait yeah 63's prime no 21 times 3 is 63

02:01:00.080 isn't it

02:01:02.560 yeah 63 is 21 times 3.

02:01:06.080 jacob call your tick top collab win

02:01:10.719 dude if i had if i had a

02:01:13.199 if i had a dollar for every time someone

02:01:15.280 asked me about jacob collier i'd have

02:01:17.199 i'd have so much money

02:01:18.880 um i'm tired of algorithms too wad

02:01:21.280 wizard i hate it because you like have

02:01:23.920 to create like thumbnails that are

02:01:25.920 catchy into the algorithm you have to do

02:01:27.760 this thing that a title that's like

02:01:30.000 hooking you know it's like you can't

02:01:31.840 just make your content and share it and

02:01:33.679 you can't

02:01:34.719 like i see so much stuff that's

02:01:36.080 incredible content that gets like no

02:01:37.760 views and then i see stuff that's like

02:01:39.679 like

02:01:41.280 pretty low tier content effort that gets

02:01:43.520 like tons of views because they played

02:01:44.800 the algorithm better have you listened

02:01:46.560 to bjork before people always compare my

02:01:48.480 singing to bjork which i'm very

02:01:49.760 flattered by i haven't really listened

02:01:51.679 to bjork that much i think she's cool

02:01:53.760 i kind of get her aesthetic a little bit

02:01:55.599 but i haven't really dug deep in her

02:01:57.599 music

02:01:58.560 despite being compared to her all the

02:02:00.159 time so

02:02:02.960 that algorithm is emergent behavior see

02:02:05.280 that's true max but the weird thing

02:02:07.040 about the algorithm i agree with that

02:02:09.280 aiden i agree with that 100 i hit that a

02:02:12.000 lot on my youtube channel it's like

02:02:13.920 watch i'm going to release a i'm going

02:02:15.280 to release a vocal coach reacts to billy

02:02:17.040 eilish video this week and that'll

02:02:18.960 probably perform better than my videos

02:02:20.400 that i spend like two months making that

02:02:21.920 are like deep content so we'll see how

02:02:23.840 it goes

02:02:24.719 um

02:02:25.599 you said it's emergent behavior and it's

02:02:27.360 what we put in the algorithm see the

02:02:28.800 interesting thing though max is

02:02:31.040 yes but over time the algorithm trains

02:02:33.679 us right like we train the algorithm

02:02:35.360 based on what we click at

02:02:37.280 but then

02:02:38.400 what happens is the algorithm

02:02:41.360 sort of trains us to click certain

02:02:43.520 things you know what i mean so i think

02:02:46.000 it goes both ways like we are

02:02:49.520 we are

02:02:50.960 training the algorithm but then based on

02:02:53.040 the way it distributes content to us and

02:02:55.040 the way we get satisfaction out of the

02:02:56.400 content it distributes to us

02:02:58.239 we end up being trained by the algorithm

02:03:01.840 so i think it's a bit of a feedback loop

02:03:03.440 where the initial genesis is we feed the

02:03:06.000 algorithm but then the other thing no

02:03:08.159 i'm not joking about that video at all

02:03:09.520 jess

02:03:10.400 no i'm going to start playing the

02:03:11.360 algorithm more i'm going to start doing

02:03:12.880 a content cycle where it's one video for

02:03:14.800 me one video for my audience and one

02:03:17.520 video for the algorithm and that will

02:03:19.440 make it because i'm releasing like a

02:03:20.639 video a week before i would do like once

02:03:22.639 one big video every month now i'm gonna

02:03:24.719 have one big video every month still but

02:03:26.800 i'm also going to have a video that's

02:03:28.480 kind of geeky for me that's kind of

02:03:29.920 smaller and i'm doing what i want but

02:03:31.840 then i'm also going to have a video

02:03:33.199 that's specifically trying to tap into

02:03:35.840 the algorithm you know i've seen voice

02:03:37.679 channels that have incredible voice

02:03:39.119 education content on them and they

02:03:40.880 plateau it like five to ten thousand

02:03:42.400 views of video luckily mine's like

02:03:44.080 bigger than that but then they switch to

02:03:45.760 this reacts to vocal coach reacts to and

02:03:48.239 then they're instantly like a hundred

02:03:49.679 thousand views like fifty thousand views

02:03:51.360 five hundred thousand views so for me it

02:03:53.920 makes a lot of sense to play the

02:03:55.199 algorithm to grow the channel as a whole

02:03:57.520 so that then when i make my more serious

02:03:59.440 content that's high value it's actually

02:04:01.440 impacting more people

02:04:03.119 you know that's the thing about the

02:04:04.719 algorithm you might as well play it

02:04:06.480 because all it's going to do is it's

02:04:07.599 going to allow you to reach more people

02:04:09.280 with the content that you really care

02:04:10.960 about you know it's

02:04:13.760 ah it's pretty pretty crazy stuff

02:04:16.560 so

02:04:18.480 what's a voice channel that you like

02:04:19.840 well i'll give you an example coffin

02:04:22.320 they don't get they don't get little

02:04:23.840 views anymore about three years ago four

02:04:26.159 years ago there was a video there was a

02:04:27.520 youtube channel called tristan paredes

02:04:30.320 tristan paredes was a vocal educator and

02:04:32.880 singer who honestly put out tons of

02:04:35.119 great vocal education material if you

02:04:37.920 search for tristan paredes you'll find

02:04:39.360 their youtube channel and now you'll

02:04:40.400 find they have two million subscribers

02:04:42.320 and that is they put out educational

02:04:44.159 content high level educational content

02:04:46.000 for over a year and they plateaued

02:04:48.320 around six to ten thousand subscribers

02:04:51.280 for about a year and they were putting

02:04:52.639 out incredible content then they made

02:04:55.199 vocal coach reacts to and they were the

02:04:57.040 ones that popularized it and within a

02:04:59.599 month or two 200 000 subscribers within

02:05:02.560 six months a million they turned their

02:05:04.719 channel that had been plateaued for 10k

02:05:06.719 10k subs for literally

02:05:09.360 a year making incredible content to like

02:05:12.239 a million in like three months by making

02:05:15.119 algorithm based videos and now they

02:05:17.119 deleted all their old content and they

02:05:18.639 only do that which i'll never do that

02:05:20.560 but it just goes to show the way this

02:05:22.239 algorithm works i could mention other

02:05:23.599 voice channels too that that have had

02:05:25.199 that same kind of growth curve so it's

02:05:27.520 just weird how the algorithm does that

02:05:29.119 hi sanam um uh um cinema it's so good

02:05:32.719 for you to be here uh earlier in the

02:05:35.119 stream uh the first hour of it we were

02:05:37.840 theorizing prime modality so there's a

02:05:39.360 lot of intense music theory stuff there

02:05:41.040 early on um and now we're just kind of

02:05:43.280 chatting about social media and

02:05:45.119 weirdness

02:05:47.040 yes i agree

02:05:48.639 ushi i completely agree um

02:05:51.920 and uh

02:05:53.440 yeah so there you go yeah but kopfen

02:05:56.320 they didn't at first at first they were

02:05:58.320 uploading like daily or weekly voice

02:06:00.400 education content that actually was

02:06:01.920 really good

02:06:03.119 really good you know and then their

02:06:05.280 channel like plateaued very quickly and

02:06:07.440 then they started doing that and then

02:06:08.719 they just exploded so it's like why

02:06:11.119 would you not do that right and that's

02:06:13.440 what i hate about it is it feels like my

02:06:16.000 self-agency gets removed you know so i

02:06:18.960 think the best way to do it

02:06:21.280 the best way to do it is to make content

02:06:23.280 one video for me for the art one video

02:06:25.920 for the algorithm and one for the

02:06:27.599 audience so it's like one that i love

02:06:29.520 personally the other might get lost on

02:06:31.679 my audience one that my audience will

02:06:33.760 love and give high value to the audience

02:06:35.679 and then one that the algorithm will

02:06:37.119 love that can grow my channel that's the

02:06:38.719 new

02:06:39.520 mode of process for me so we're about to

02:06:41.199 test my first vocal coach reacts to

02:06:42.880 video

02:06:43.760 tonight my editor was supposed to have

02:06:45.520 it done yesterday but their computer

02:06:47.520 glitched and they had to re-edit it

02:06:49.040 today so

02:06:50.480 yeah it's crazy right

02:06:53.760 can you offer me any vocal channels to

02:06:55.520 offer content i honestly only watch my

02:06:57.360 own vocal channel now so i wouldn't be

02:06:59.679 able to do that i used to watch a lot

02:07:00.800 more voice channels i will say um new

02:07:03.040 york singing coach or whatever that dude

02:07:04.880 he's pretty good he's got high value

02:07:06.400 content for sure

02:07:08.400 v heart made a video about that i'd love

02:07:09.840 to see that

02:07:11.040 you like the distribution good strategy

02:07:12.639 thank you i appreciate it each time has

02:07:15.280 its own problems um it's more of a

02:07:17.040 personal yeah i mean the thing is it's

02:07:19.040 just like

02:07:20.560 you know um

02:07:21.610 [Music]

02:07:23.599 it's uh

02:07:24.880 it's not something i like really want to

02:07:26.719 do but it just seems like you might as

02:07:29.280 well try it

02:07:30.880 you know like

02:07:32.159 um

02:07:33.119 my channel is still growing at a pretty

02:07:34.560 good rate but like i mean i could drop

02:07:36.079 one of those videos and it could like

02:07:37.599 blow my channel up like a hundred

02:07:39.199 thousand subs overnight you know what i

02:07:41.119 mean that's just the way it works with

02:07:42.480 the algorithm so like that jacob call

02:07:44.880 your video i just released

02:07:46.480 it didn't it didn't land like i wanted

02:07:48.159 to i'm not sure why the algorithm

02:07:50.560 started to pick it up for like two hours

02:07:52.239 and then dropped it but that's kind of a

02:07:54.079 disappointment because you know there's

02:07:55.599 other channels that have like way less

02:07:57.040 subs in my music channel and way less

02:07:58.480 engagement and they'll drop something

02:07:59.760 that's like a minute long video that's

02:08:01.599 just like them like doing something

02:08:03.199 stupid with the title caller and they'll

02:08:04.639 get like a hundred thousand views in

02:08:06.079 like two days

02:08:07.679 i was hoping that was going to be the

02:08:08.960 hit for the 27 note mega chord video but

02:08:11.520 the algorithm said no even though it has

02:08:14.000 great click-through impression rates it

02:08:16.159 just didn't generate impressions for

02:08:17.679 some reason um it did within the first

02:08:20.320 seven hours after it released it started

02:08:21.840 to blow up and then it stopped and then

02:08:23.440 another seven hours later it pumped it

02:08:25.040 out impressions and then it just

02:08:26.639 plateaued so i don't know what happened

02:08:28.400 there

02:08:29.360 i hate the algorithm stuff though it's

02:08:31.280 so annoying

02:08:34.000 speaking of vocal coach rex dude do you

02:08:35.440 know lingua ignota no

02:08:37.920 some of the most awesome vocal work i'll

02:08:39.840 check that out i'll take a note of it

02:08:41.440 right now

02:08:42.639 we have more viewers now we're doing

02:08:44.639 we're in the least most interesting part

02:08:46.000 of the live stream everybody

02:08:47.599 the the first 30 minutes was like a

02:08:49.920 technical exposition of prime modality

02:08:52.400 so

02:08:53.440 yeah

02:08:55.520 yeah i mean i actually wondered dave if

02:08:58.320 the reason why i didn't get the traction

02:09:00.000 it was i was planning for it to is

02:09:02.000 because i posted it externally too much

02:09:04.000 because i posted it on facebook i posted

02:09:05.440 on koi group about 50 of the traffic

02:09:08.239 from that did not come from impressions

02:09:09.920 it came from direct link so i almost

02:09:11.920 wonder if by not allow by giving it to

02:09:14.480 people on direct link they didn't click

02:09:16.079 it on the youtube impressions so that

02:09:18.000 ended up pushing the the performance

02:09:19.520 down i hate youtube it's it's i hate the

02:09:22.159 algorithm stuff i really hate it so much

02:09:24.880 i just wish we could just make good

02:09:26.239 content and then

02:09:27.599 yeah watch the vod for new viewers the

02:09:29.440 last hour has kind of watered down the

02:09:31.440 the intensity of content in the first

02:09:33.440 hour but yeah

02:09:35.840 you were listening to the song it's carl

02:09:37.679 liser of course gosh all this is so dumb

02:09:40.719 to have to think about i agree brock but

02:09:42.719 the problem is trying to be a successful

02:09:45.199 artist in this day and age and play that

02:09:47.119 game like you know like

02:09:49.599 i mean how many people do we know that

02:09:51.360 make incredible content that just like

02:09:53.760 can't turn it into their career or

02:09:55.040 whatever because they don't play the

02:09:57.040 algorithm right so it's like there's a

02:09:59.040 huge capital pressure to play the

02:10:00.639 algorithm so that you can do what you

02:10:02.079 love and focus on that at least you

02:10:04.480 bring us some of the best microtunnel

02:10:05.840 music on the web don't focus too much on

02:10:07.360 the youtube algorithm here yeah i don't

02:10:09.760 that jacob collier thing was the first

02:10:11.440 algorithm game i ever tried

02:10:13.280 otherwise i just keep making the video

02:10:15.679 funny is the algorithm suggested me this

02:10:17.599 video just now at the end yeah isn't

02:10:19.599 that weird oscar

02:10:21.040 you only caught the last five minutes

02:10:22.639 you should watch all of it the first 30

02:10:24.400 minutes of this stream

02:10:26.000 is so fire

02:10:27.679 so

02:10:28.639 oh that would be really cool i'd love to

02:10:30.159 see someone combine some mount merry

02:10:31.760 scales with the prime modality stuff

02:10:34.000 saddest part for me is there's no

02:10:35.360 alternative to youtube even i know right

02:10:37.679 what is it youtube has 2.5 billion users

02:10:40.079 and tick tock has 1 billion users now

02:10:42.560 so tick tock is the third biggest we we

02:10:45.119 now have facebook is the biggest social

02:10:46.560 media platform

02:10:47.920 youtube is the second biggest i think

02:10:50.079 snapchat's the third biggest and then

02:10:51.679 the fourth biggest is tick tock and then

02:10:54.800 so let's think about that yeah go ahead

02:10:56.560 and like this video if everyone's here

02:10:57.840 if everyone here clicks like we'll go

02:10:59.199 over 100 and that'll help me on the

02:11:00.800 algorithm

02:11:01.760 okay but um

02:11:03.920 isn't that weird right i don't like it

02:11:06.480 as a viewer because i just want to see

02:11:07.679 new stuff and you get worn out when

02:11:09.040 everything i know see we went up to 94

02:11:11.199 likes thank you for pressing 102 likes

02:11:13.199 thank you all i appreciate that but yeah

02:11:15.360 i it's weird so let's see here so tic

02:11:17.679 noc tic toc now has a billion viewers on

02:11:19.760 it so another thing i'm supposed to do

02:11:21.599 in order to win the algorithm on youtube

02:11:23.199 is to start making youtube shorts

02:11:25.840 okay so i guess i'm gonna start doing

02:11:27.920 those because check this out

02:11:30.960 youtube is so big

02:11:33.840 when they turned on their shorts

02:11:36.400 they get 20 billion views a day on

02:11:40.400 youtube shorts

02:11:42.079 okay that is like way more than tick

02:11:44.400 tock way more

02:11:46.560 so

02:11:48.639 no no that's way more than twitch excuse

02:11:50.159 me that's like over like 10 times what

02:11:51.840 twitch gets like every day so youtube is

02:11:54.560 massive i don't know that the daily

02:11:55.920 views on take talk i imagine it has to

02:11:57.520 be over 20 billion right because

02:11:59.360 oh my camera died again but i imagine it

02:12:01.760 has to be over 20 20 billion right

02:12:04.480 because they

02:12:05.679 they have um where's my little

02:12:07.760 text box thing hold up let me just

02:12:09.360 duplicate this

02:12:13.040 it's got to be over um it's got to be

02:12:15.440 over a certain size right what do you

02:12:17.199 guys think the daily viewership on tick

02:12:18.719 tock is how many views

02:12:20.400 keeping in mind the views are

02:12:21.360 hyperinflated on that application

02:12:35.040 yeah um

02:12:38.079 at least 2 billion it's got to be more

02:12:39.920 than 2 billion because there's two

02:12:41.040 there's 1 billion users now on tick tock

02:12:43.760 and you think that if you just try to

02:12:45.199 leave the application it shows you three

02:12:47.040 views it shows you three videos even if

02:12:49.040 you don't want to watch them

02:12:51.119 there's i mean they've got to be if

02:12:53.440 youtube has 2 billion users and gets 20

02:12:56.000 billion views on shorts a day

02:12:58.719 and tick tock has 1 billion but their

02:13:00.639 whole thing are short videos and when

02:13:02.239 you try to back out it plays three i

02:13:04.480 mean they've got to have at least 30

02:13:06.400 billion views a day on there right

02:13:09.679 3 billion because it crosses platforms

02:13:11.280 too that's true

02:13:12.480 there's so many shorts that are trying

02:13:14.159 to just trick people into watching the

02:13:15.440 whole thing yeah i mean that's the whole

02:13:17.280 point of the algorithm so

02:13:21.040 it's crazy right it's like how can you

02:13:23.119 trick someone into clicking on the

02:13:24.159 content see for me i feel like i make

02:13:26.639 high quality content whether that's a

02:13:28.320 voice or music

02:13:29.840 and so it's um it's annoying because

02:13:33.199 to play the algorithm you have to

02:13:36.480 make high value content but then

02:13:38.159 represent it like it's not high value

02:13:40.079 content does that make sense like you

02:13:42.159 have to like click bait someone into

02:13:43.599 something but then deliver on the

02:13:45.040 content

02:13:46.079 but you could get even more views if you

02:13:47.760 just click baited period

02:13:51.440 shorts would be okay if the interface

02:13:52.639 yeah i haven't figured out how to do it

02:13:54.000 yet

02:13:55.599 like another thing using

02:13:58.719 community questions on youtube that

02:14:01.360 breaks the algorithm too

02:14:03.599 so if i just literally

02:14:05.280 post something any any random thing and

02:14:07.440 i turn it as a poll on

02:14:09.599 the youtube community page it will make

02:14:12.239 your channel perform better a lot of

02:14:13.920 people don't know that either

02:14:16.719 so

02:14:17.679 i think social media is i sound like a

02:14:19.840 boomer though social media is so bad to

02:14:22.000 kids these days and their

02:14:23.599 short attention span tech tocks videos

02:14:26.480 i like long form content too

02:14:28.639 the thing is though you're so strongly

02:14:31.679 discouraged from making long-form

02:14:33.280 content

02:14:34.960 by the algorithm unless you're already

02:14:36.719 big right like if you're big like if

02:14:38.400 you're like contra points she can make

02:14:40.480 long form content all day

02:14:43.520 you know

02:14:54.560 mm-hmm

02:14:55.920 let's see here

02:14:58.400 blew my mind when spiffing breath

02:15:00.400 started yeah i know a lot about this

02:15:02.320 stuff just because i um

02:15:04.400 not i know it but i don't play it very

02:15:06.639 often just because i actually feel like

02:15:08.800 it's like

02:15:09.840 i don't know it i don't like it it makes

02:15:12.159 me feel like i have brain worms when i'm

02:15:14.400 like

02:15:15.520 worrying about playing a machine like

02:15:18.239 it's like a slot machine

02:15:20.239 do you write for traditional instruments

02:15:21.840 oh yeah actually you know what's

02:15:23.520 interesting do you have a clarinet you

02:15:25.119 want to hear played absolutely do you

02:15:27.119 want to hear a clarinet concerto i wrote

02:15:28.880 a long time ago i got commissioned when

02:15:31.119 i was in university to write a

02:15:33.360 piece it's a percussion it's a clarinet

02:15:35.119 concerto for percussion ensemble and

02:15:38.960 clarinet i do have a actual recording of

02:15:42.000 it but i don't like the quality of it so

02:15:43.280 let me go ahead and play a midi version

02:15:45.360 of it let me let me find it

02:15:48.400 well she got big in the first place

02:15:50.000 because she wasn't making long-form

02:15:51.360 content right a lot of her stuff used to

02:15:52.560 be like five minutes ten minutes then

02:15:54.159 once she got bigger kind of moved into

02:15:55.599 like 20 minutes 30 minutes then she got

02:15:57.520 bigger and moved into like an hour in

02:15:59.199 like two hours right

02:16:01.040 so

02:16:02.079 um let's see here let me try to find

02:16:03.840 this clarinet concerto and i'll play it

02:16:05.920 for you all

02:16:09.520 um

02:16:10.400 i think long-form content is overrated

02:16:12.400 yeah sure i think long-form content

02:16:14.320 isn't overrated if it's good content

02:16:16.639 right i think if it's just long content

02:16:18.800 it's not

02:16:20.560 it doesn't necessarily mean anything but

02:16:22.639 long form content that's really high

02:16:24.079 value content is so awesome i love that

02:16:27.119 so this is called color flux it's a

02:16:28.960 clarinet concerto

02:16:30.880 let me find it

02:16:33.280 i haven't listened to it in ages

02:16:35.359 but i know i've got it lurking somewhere

02:16:37.359 on my machine i have to look back

02:16:39.200 through very old

02:16:41.439 old fl piece um

02:16:43.920 i think i found it color flux

02:16:47.920 clarinet

02:16:49.120 concerto

02:16:52.000 oh wait i have to go in my music theory

02:16:53.439 folder

02:16:55.000 [Music]

02:16:57.120 first mover advantage is big yeah let's

02:17:00.240 see i don't necessarily think she was

02:17:02.160 necessarily the first person to do like

02:17:04.240 philosophical video essays with

02:17:06.160 theatrical elements though i definitely

02:17:08.160 think she was the first mover

02:17:09.840 in certain ways but in other ways i

02:17:12.240 don't know i feel like that's kind of

02:17:13.760 been a popular format for a while let's

02:17:16.240 see

02:17:17.040 music theory

02:17:19.679 music theory i love music theory um

02:17:25.359 where's it at music theory

02:17:31.200 i think i'm going to crop off the last

02:17:32.879 hour because i really want this to i

02:17:34.240 really wanted to be like a short

02:17:36.000 start and stop so that people can learn

02:17:37.840 about prime modality easily so i'll

02:17:39.840 probably crop the last hour of this off

02:17:41.599 at some point

02:17:43.280 i think when i publish it or whatever

02:17:45.120 i'll do that but maybe not should i just

02:17:46.959 leave the whole thing up or what

02:17:51.519 yeah i think everyone's taking influence

02:17:52.879 from that like theatrical thing i know i

02:17:54.398 want to do video essays not music theory

02:17:56.718 but i want to do video essays um

02:17:58.760 [Music]

02:18:00.160 i want to do video essays more for

02:18:01.920 certain thing

02:18:03.120 is this it colored thoughts

02:18:05.599 oh this is old old music

02:18:08.160 what is this

02:18:12.318 oh that's not what i'm looking for

02:18:15.280 music theory

02:18:16.959 music theory and sheet music here we go

02:18:19.040 i have the score for it color flux here

02:18:21.519 we go

02:18:22.638 what is

02:18:23.290 [Music]

02:18:36.879 i wonder if i can find the whole thing

02:18:38.799 there's like one excerpt of it there's

02:18:40.799 like a percussion break

02:18:42.558 let's see

02:18:43.519 so it was a percussion ensemble with

02:18:45.280 clarinet

02:18:53.790 [Music]

02:19:04.318 the score is a bit messy

02:19:06.718 i think i can turn it on

02:19:11.599 how many performers

02:19:14.950 [Music]

02:19:40.718 i'll try to find the whole version of it

02:19:42.398 somewhere but here's the clarinet part

02:19:43.920 it's a bit messy i engraved this a long

02:19:46.318 time ago so i wasn't as good at the time

02:19:48.478 but

02:19:49.200 it's definitely readable

02:19:51.120 um and uh it's it's a it's a pretty

02:19:53.760 challenging piece but the performer

02:19:55.760 kelly niyama dr niyama performed it and

02:19:58.240 she was very good at it so

02:20:00.160 that was cool i wasn't a super big fan

02:20:02.720 of the percussion ensemble that

02:20:04.640 performed it at the time let me go ahead

02:20:07.120 and i'll see if i can pull up the whole

02:20:08.560 score where's it at um

02:20:11.840 let me turn this little screen off here

02:20:13.840 and then go

02:20:15.120 the score the score revised is this it

02:20:19.120 see yeah yeah okay

02:20:21.520 um here we go

02:20:24.479 so this was my this is uh quite a this

02:20:27.600 was commissioned it was a commission

02:20:29.760 project uh it was commissioned by the

02:20:32.960 percussion by dr finney and kelly nyama

02:20:36.000 for the indiana state percussion

02:20:37.840 ensemble

02:20:39.920 and it

02:20:40.960 starts out with this really cool section

02:20:44.080 where it's like the ensemble is

02:20:45.760 producing like a rainstorm you guys know

02:20:47.600 that's kind of a thing in my music you

02:20:49.760 know we were just listening to hex and

02:20:51.200 there's a lot of that so it starts out

02:20:53.359 let's see parts there's clarinet part

02:20:56.399 mallet one mallet two mallet three

02:20:58.399 and then three percussionists um and

02:21:00.960 some of this is kind of messy i think

02:21:02.240 this is not exactly the

02:21:04.080 the

02:21:04.960 most

02:21:05.840 matured version of the score like we can

02:21:07.920 see that's kind of messy there but this

02:21:09.600 is one that i could pull up so what is

02:21:11.520 this like 41 pages or something like

02:21:13.600 that so this was a

02:21:15.520 this is a fun fun piece oh this section

02:21:17.600 is cool a little contrapuntal action

02:21:19.600 going on here

02:21:20.960 um i'll try to find the audio file for

02:21:23.840 it

02:21:24.640 but this is color flux and it's a

02:21:26.479 clarinet concerto

02:21:28.160 with percussion ensemble backing

02:21:31.040 so

02:21:32.640 so yes i have composed for for acoustic

02:21:35.280 instruments

02:21:36.479 although a bit less

02:21:41.200 ah

02:21:42.240 i'm trying to turn my camera back on

02:21:44.399 i think i got it hello am i alive does

02:21:47.359 it work

02:21:48.240 yeah i'm like crooked because i was like

02:21:49.280 trying to turn it on i messed it up

02:21:53.040 okay here we are it's so hot in here too

02:21:56.160 let's see um what engraving software

02:21:58.720 back then i use finale i wouldn't use

02:22:00.240 finale now i hate finale uh kelly wife

02:22:04.160 of charles nyaday i'm not sure do you

02:22:06.240 know her from iu because it was like an

02:22:07.920 iu thing and yes actually the the piece

02:22:10.479 opens with multiphonics m so yes i've

02:22:13.200 actually written multiphonics for

02:22:14.560 clarinet i i composed that in 2013 i

02:22:17.120 think so definitely not my best piece

02:22:18.880 but

02:22:19.600 it was a good work

02:22:20.880 if oscar if you're thinking of kelly

02:22:23.040 from the iu space that's

02:22:25.359 that's who it is

02:22:27.600 she's a great player

02:22:29.200 great clarinetist she handles her

02:22:30.960 mid-range so so so good

02:22:34.640 yeah i would probably use the rico

02:22:37.200 honestly i kind of always liked sibelius

02:22:38.880 but i never had it never owned it or

02:22:40.240 never used it really so

02:22:42.960 kind of is what it is you know

02:22:45.120 oh yeah i have a better version of the

02:22:46.640 score there i just found

02:22:48.240 um

02:22:49.359 because they ended up performing it at

02:22:50.560 some

02:22:51.600 they ended up swimming oh you actually

02:22:53.920 want to perform it i bet i could do like

02:22:56.080 um a digital version for you like a

02:22:58.560 backing track for it but like a good one

02:23:00.560 or maybe you perform a solo of it or

02:23:02.479 something or

02:23:03.520 yeah if you want to or if you want to do

02:23:04.880 it with percussionists that'd be cool

02:23:06.560 let me know where we can get in contact

02:23:08.000 formally yeah sure um email me here this

02:23:10.880 is like my this email i use strictly for

02:23:13.120 like music stuff

02:23:14.560 so amelia eros music for sure i haven't

02:23:17.200 i don't think it's been performed for

02:23:18.880 maybe five years six years that's really

02:23:20.960 cool that you're you're in here though

02:23:22.800 um these days i just mostly compose

02:23:24.640 micro tonal and so a lot of people can't

02:23:26.720 play micro tonal so i tend to not

02:23:29.120 compose too much for traditional

02:23:30.640 instruments but i i did a lot of

02:23:32.000 composition in that way clarinet i

02:23:34.319 learned so much from composing for

02:23:35.920 clarinet specifically i learned about

02:23:38.319 register more on clarinet than anything

02:23:40.319 else because the clarinet feels so

02:23:43.120 heterogeneous as you move through its

02:23:45.200 space you know whereas like the the

02:23:48.319 cello is very homogeneous when you're

02:23:49.920 moving up and moving down it's like it

02:23:51.840 sounds like the tone is preserved across

02:23:54.399 whereas the to me the

02:23:57.040 the clarinet really has such distinct

02:23:59.120 areas of its range that all sound very

02:24:01.840 beautiful but very different

02:24:04.240 you know

02:24:05.200 um oh i'm seeing my old arrangements i

02:24:07.520 did a cool arrangement of

02:24:09.920 what was that i did a cool arrangement

02:24:11.680 of schubert work at one point oh and i

02:24:14.560 did some did some scoring for a metal

02:24:16.319 band i used to do like you know like

02:24:18.240 metal bands need strings for their stuff

02:24:19.840 and they don't know how to do it so

02:24:21.680 i used to do that

02:24:24.800 wood one section is a whole mess i agree

02:24:26.880 i agree completely you know i didn't

02:24:28.800 know it at the time that the clarinet

02:24:30.240 was like an odd harmonic instrument but

02:24:32.080 now i know it and it's like ah

02:24:33.840 everything makes so much more sense

02:24:36.319 how it overblows and behaves and

02:24:38.000 everything

02:24:39.040 i wish i could find this piece ooh

02:24:40.880 splendora i forgot about that piece

02:24:43.680 color flux

02:24:45.280 um

02:24:46.800 i wish i could find okay when was this

02:24:48.399 2014 i'm gonna go try and find the whole

02:24:50.160 thing so i can play it on stream

02:24:51.920 i do have a meeting i have to get to a

02:24:53.359 little bit later i don't know if dusty

02:24:54.960 nebula or the nebula system is still

02:24:57.120 here um

02:24:58.479 but i need to go have a chit chat

02:25:01.120 with them shortly so let me do a little

02:25:03.840 bit more here and then i shall fly away

02:25:07.040 into the ether

02:25:08.640 and who knows how long it'll be till i

02:25:10.000 stream again okay let's see 2014 is what

02:25:13.280 i'm looking for it seems

02:25:15.200 do we find it oh i think i've

02:25:17.200 no that's all 2015. what would have came

02:25:19.600 before this so there's that that's 2015

02:25:23.200 stuff would it be here

02:25:25.600 here we go i think i maybe found it

02:25:28.960 2012 2013

02:25:32.000 and then what's this key your car

02:25:34.479 i made a song called key your car

02:25:37.520 should i click play i don't know if it's

02:25:38.800 going to be ridiculous or not

02:25:46.790 [Music]

02:25:51.040 oh i know exactly what this is oh my god

02:25:53.040 this is ridiculous so i had a friend who

02:25:55.520 got harassed by this person

02:25:57.760 and when this person harassed them and

02:26:00.479 kind of had their

02:26:01.920 last explosion they ended up recording

02:26:04.080 the person screaming and then i was

02:26:06.880 trying to help my friend get over that

02:26:09.040 so i took that scream of their kind of

02:26:11.120 harasser and i put it in a dubstep drop

02:26:14.160 and it's called key your car

02:26:16.280 [Music]

02:26:24.160 it's like some mountain dew kind of

02:26:25.760 stuff you know what i mean so but it was

02:26:27.200 just it was a meme a long time ago but

02:26:29.920 it was someone who kind of

02:26:31.600 who kind of hurt a friend of mine and

02:26:33.600 they got recorded when they did it so i

02:26:35.680 put him in a dubstep drop

02:26:38.479 and uh yeah i forgot all about that i

02:26:41.280 wasn't intending to play that on stream

02:26:43.359 um

02:26:46.840 oh i do make musical memes yeah it's

02:26:49.680 like mountain dew oh here we go

02:26:52.640 ready go

02:26:55.760 oh some steel pants i used to be in a

02:26:57.680 steel band

02:27:00.850 [Music]

02:27:11.280 i had a soul over this or whatever so

02:27:12.880 they had to record a backtrack for me to

02:27:14.479 come or something like that maybe

02:27:15.840 someone else had the silver i forget i

02:27:17.920 think i was playing bass at the time

02:27:19.280 actually so

02:27:20.560 no um although there is a really gnarly

02:27:23.120 bass solo if you guys have heard

02:27:26.240 ah what is that song called

02:27:28.479 um

02:27:30.800 panorama no it was performed at panorama

02:27:33.520 i forget they're just really famous

02:27:34.800 steel pan piece that has the nastiest

02:27:36.560 bass solo ever

02:27:38.640 it was so it was just so fire violin

02:27:41.359 oboe

02:27:42.479 here's a piece i i

02:27:44.160 i composed for violin and oboe and

02:27:46.080 electronics it's pretty good i don't

02:27:48.240 know if i have the actual full recording

02:27:49.840 right now microtunnel steel pans um

02:27:52.800 piano tech can do that actually pretty

02:27:54.399 good i was doing that the other night

02:27:56.160 uh wait i'm trying to find this 2014 i

02:27:58.960 want to find color flux because there is

02:28:00.880 actually a recording of it that's

02:28:02.160 audible i'd love to show that clarinet

02:28:04.160 performer here and chat the piece so

02:28:07.120 they can know what they're getting into

02:28:09.920 it's kind of got some tricky rhythms

02:28:11.280 here and there but it's it's definitely

02:28:13.040 playable um

02:28:14.800 i think some parts of it are probably

02:28:16.080 not super idiomatic just because at the

02:28:17.680 time i was a beginner writing for the

02:28:19.120 instrument but i think over time as i

02:28:21.840 wrote more of the score it became

02:28:23.040 increasingly more idiomatic for the

02:28:25.200 performer

02:28:27.280 let's see

02:28:28.479 where would i have put it

02:28:30.720 oh dreamscape what is this

02:28:36.479 we love this

02:28:39.040 different sections of dreamscape

02:28:41.359 fourth seven eight midi marimba excerpt

02:28:44.640 yeah all right sounds great oscar thanks

02:28:47.040 for uh that offer

02:28:48.640 i still want to know where that file's

02:28:50.240 at though i feel like it's been forever

02:28:52.240 since i listened to it

02:28:55.040 oh here's some old music

02:28:56.960 i've made way too much music

02:28:59.600 i don't know what to do with all of it

02:29:00.800 other than just

02:29:02.560 a wizard float do you guys wanna hear

02:29:04.399 wizard float this is a meme

02:29:07.040 this is like what

02:29:08.880 2012.

02:29:10.640 there's like there's like a metal demo

02:29:12.319 wizard float i just like the name of it

02:29:19.680 kind of weird

02:29:24.470 [Music]

02:29:34.240 weird stuff

02:29:36.300 [Music]

02:29:41.670 [Music]

02:29:48.160 i couldn't play guitar at the time so i

02:29:49.600 would just punch everything in you know

02:29:50.720 because i like a baddie a guitar but i

02:29:52.800 wanted to compose still oh what's this

02:29:54.960 grain stuff we do love grains

02:30:00.960 oh just some basic granular synthesis

02:30:03.040 stuff

02:30:04.399 gosh that was fun okay everyone oh this

02:30:06.560 piece a piece i never finished

02:30:08.640 this piece makes me sad i never finished

02:30:10.399 this no that wasn't well i guess it kind

02:30:12.240 of was unreleased that never got

02:30:14.080 anywhere for real there's like real

02:30:15.920 unreleased sirens it's like pretty good

02:30:18.240 but that wasn't it that was just like me

02:30:20.080 like noodling around one night wizard

02:30:21.680 floating

02:30:22.880 this piece actually makes me sad i

02:30:24.319 didn't release i i ended up destroying

02:30:26.399 the project file

02:30:27.840 and i would love to release it

02:30:30.319 is this it yeah

02:30:33.120 it's called pulse and for some reason

02:30:34.880 for years and years i've wanted to make

02:30:36.160 a song called pulse and i just never

02:30:37.359 have

02:30:38.160 it's kind of quiet hold up

02:30:41.680 it's like a minimal thing

02:30:48.820 [Music]

02:31:04.560 this is the piece that got away you know

02:31:06.479 what i mean some pieces that get away

02:31:08.240 without being finished

02:31:09.760 and this one was one of

02:31:12.840 those 2012

02:31:16.479 i remember i started composing this

02:31:18.399 before a concert

02:31:20.319 i had an orchestral concert that night

02:31:22.560 and i sat with my laptop three hours

02:31:25.439 before the performance

02:31:27.439 my headphones on at a table and i wrote

02:31:30.160 this never touched it since it got away

02:31:32.720 the project file i messed it up or

02:31:34.479 whatever

02:31:40.080 this little noise that's coming up is so

02:31:42.479 pretty but it was it was randomly

02:31:44.800 generated so i can't like get back to it

02:31:55.359 right here right here

02:31:58.200 [Music]

02:32:18.870 [Music]

02:32:44.800 i love it it's just so simple but so

02:32:46.960 pretty

02:32:50.800 the sound was randomly generated in an

02:32:52.880 old vst called

02:32:55.520 plant

02:32:56.880 i think that's why it's called sin plant

02:32:58.880 it's like an algae it's like a it's like

02:33:00.640 a weird generated thing i don't know how

02:33:02.399 to describe it sin plant was cool

02:33:05.359 but it broke and i lost all this

02:33:10.960 i forgot i don't even know what comes

02:33:12.240 next that might just be it

02:33:13.440 [Music]

02:33:15.520 does it drop back in

02:33:18.000 maybe

02:33:20.080 anyways there's pulse it's one of those

02:33:22.000 songs that got away from me i wrote it

02:33:23.680 one night um and it never came back

02:33:26.399 what's this

02:33:27.840 is this something

02:33:32.160 [Music]

02:33:38.750 [Applause]

02:33:40.090 [Music]

02:33:43.470 [Applause]

02:33:46.160 i don't know why i wrote it 23rd 2013.

02:33:50.319 some experimental stuff i guess

02:33:58.100 [Music]

02:34:04.750 [Applause]

02:34:04.850 [Music]

02:34:15.520 i don't make sense

02:34:23.280 [Applause]

02:34:29.830 [Music]

02:34:31.760 yeah i always had the kick so loud

02:34:33.600 what's this me and travis i don't know

02:34:35.439 what this is

02:34:37.520 oh there's this awesome guitarist a long

02:34:40.240 time ago he came over one night and we

02:34:42.000 just wrote this he was on tour and his

02:34:44.080 band was weird crossing paths and so we

02:34:46.560 just wrote this together

02:34:50.520 [Music]

02:35:00.880 there's actually one cool part in the

02:35:02.160 subject where it's at them

02:35:05.450 [Music]

02:35:16.399 just some noodles

02:35:19.030 [Music]

02:35:22.720 take care of tom it was great having you

02:35:28.479 this is the old thing

02:35:29.760 there's this part here though

02:35:31.990 [Applause]

02:35:34.160 oh here we go this is like the coolest

02:35:35.439 part of it this is the only reason i

02:35:36.560 like this song at all

02:35:41.420 [Music]

02:35:45.280 so

02:35:56.640 i love this ambient stuff

02:36:00.760 [Applause]

02:36:02.070 [Music]

02:36:08.720 that's kind of nice i love hammock

02:36:10.479 hammock used to be one of my favorite

02:36:11.600 bands ever i used to write stuff like

02:36:13.520 this all the time

02:36:14.960 i don't know if you guys have heard my

02:36:15.920 ambient rock music

02:36:19.439 like this kind of stuff

02:36:21.439 it's like country rock i used to like

02:36:23.200 write like ambient country rock all the

02:36:25.359 time i don't know why

02:36:26.820 [Music]

02:36:33.200 it's called my old project used to call

02:36:34.720 it called eva the atma i wrote an entire

02:36:37.359 album of it post rock stuff i bet i can

02:36:39.680 pull up the actual good stuff this was

02:36:41.120 like demos of it

02:36:44.940 [Music]

02:36:54.319 where would i find all this music at

02:36:55.840 there's actually some really good pieces

02:36:57.040 here one of them in particular

02:36:59.280 [Music]

02:37:01.840 this is like i sucked at playing guitar

02:37:03.439 but i like played guitar so i could make

02:37:04.960 ambient rock because

02:37:06.399 i went through like a three year long

02:37:09.439 i went through a three year long

02:37:12.880 hammock phase i don't know if you guys

02:37:14.880 are into hammock but

02:37:17.359 i got hooked on hammock and i was like

02:37:18.960 hooked on them for years and years and

02:37:21.040 years and years here we go

02:37:23.760 so the album

02:37:25.439 here we go can i find it no

02:37:27.680 2011 is when i finish this post rock

02:37:30.000 album

02:37:31.040 is the music still

02:37:32.479 possible to access right now that's what

02:37:33.920 i'm curious about

02:37:35.600 please say it is

02:37:37.280 yes here you go here's some of that so

02:37:40.640 this one is balance

02:37:42.960 what is this no i don't want to

02:37:44.319 share it i want to play it okay

02:37:47.120 heva

02:37:48.399 balance

02:37:50.319 it's just a giant it's a giant hammock

02:37:52.319 ripoff but with more country rock

02:37:55.280 here we go

02:37:56.560 starting with crickets the storms what

02:37:58.240 can i say i'm a creature of habit it

02:38:00.479 brings me back to the midwest

02:38:03.600 this is

02:38:05.600 2011 i played everything

02:38:11.120 just some real basic stuff

02:38:19.439 that is what it is crickets that's right

02:38:30.800 this project is where i discovered my

02:38:32.319 love of bass

02:38:34.930 [Music]

02:38:37.120 because i feel like the bass guitar led

02:38:38.800 everything

02:38:40.240 and it was the first time i ever played

02:38:41.439 bass guitar

02:38:49.520 [Music]

02:38:54.720 based on what i love that

02:38:59.200 if you could give a rough estimate

02:39:04.399 of how much of your music was ever in

02:39:06.560 standard 12 video what would you give

02:39:09.520 95

02:39:10.420 [Music]

02:39:12.960 i've only been micro tone for the last

02:39:14.479 two years i've been composing music for

02:39:16.319 15 years

02:39:17.600 i used to write music 16 hours a day

02:39:19.760 almost every single day of my life

02:39:22.560 or study it or go to school for it

02:39:25.439 i just constantly wrote music

02:39:27.840 so by far i have a way more time in 12

02:39:30.479 video

02:39:32.560 but i'm trying to change that over time

02:39:39.520 this is actually kind of nice i still

02:39:41.120 like this sounds good

02:39:47.760 some violin i tried to play it's

02:39:49.280 probably out of tune

02:39:56.240 so you get it you get it it's that then

02:39:58.640 there's this which is more like a

02:39:59.600 country rock kind of tune

02:40:00.760 [Music]

02:40:04.640 it's like a very mixolydian energy such

02:40:06.720 a good bass tone what'd you track this

02:40:08.240 through

02:40:09.200 i think a pod

02:40:11.120 yeah i know that baseball is fat i agree

02:40:13.359 that's when i learned to love bass

02:40:17.279 this was made in 2010 late 2010

02:40:23.230 [Music]

02:40:27.600 i played everything in this

02:40:29.680 program

02:40:31.040 the base and this is also really fat

02:40:34.720 i want to do microsoft effect i mean

02:40:36.880 okay hold on where's the micro tunnel

02:40:38.960 country rock did you listen to sola

02:40:41.120 sola is about the closest thing i've

02:40:42.720 ever heard to like folk country micro

02:40:45.200 tonal progressive pop it's a weird mix i

02:40:48.319 feel like it's so folky and country at

02:40:50.399 the same time even though it's like you

02:40:52.240 know

02:40:54.120 [Music]

02:41:07.430 [Music]

02:41:11.120 oh this isn't mono it's very stereo on

02:41:13.120 the actual recording so yeah

02:41:15.600 [Music]

02:41:34.800 so

02:41:36.150 [Music]

02:41:54.640 oh my god

02:41:59.080 [Music]

02:42:01.040 anyways there's eva i forget what this

02:42:03.120 one sounds like

02:42:04.920 [Music]

02:42:06.080 this one's like country out the wazoo

02:42:10.319 kinda

02:42:11.560 [Music]

02:42:16.319 yeah that was my fifth album i ever made

02:42:18.479 i don't count those as my actual albums

02:42:20.240 i so in case you guys don't know i count

02:42:22.240 my first

02:42:23.520 full-length album as being my

02:42:25.760 my first full-length album is actually

02:42:27.840 my uh sixth full-length album

02:42:30.960 so

02:42:31.680 i wrote six albums before i actually

02:42:33.760 released what i dubbed as my first

02:42:35.600 full-length album um and yeah

02:42:39.359 and i'll probably never share the other

02:42:40.640 ones um because they're just too old but

02:42:44.319 so

02:42:45.840 they're forgotten they're amongst the

02:42:47.600 wasteland of music my graveyard of

02:42:50.080 sounds and um

02:42:52.160 yeah that was that was i don't know four

02:42:54.000 or five albums after i got started

02:42:57.120 my negative yeah exactly that's my

02:42:58.720 negative fourth that's how i'm going to

02:43:00.000 start saying it that's my negative

02:43:01.760 fourth album you like that i'll play

02:43:03.040 some more of it

02:43:04.800 how does it start it starts like this

02:43:11.200 it's kind of a vibe

02:43:17.439 this shit's fun to play

02:43:19.120 [Music]

02:43:21.040 me playing violin i was a little baby

02:43:23.040 violinist

02:43:30.560 so i buried it in the background

02:43:36.960 yeah this is pretty much country isn't

02:43:38.720 it yeah i love it though

02:43:41.640 [Music]

02:43:49.279 that was like five weeks of playing

02:43:51.359 violin

02:43:57.160 [Music]

02:44:15.680 welcome

02:44:16.840 back that's cool i didn't know beethoven

02:44:19.520 did that with his with his uh things

02:44:24.319 that was actually pretty good

02:44:26.640 i bet i could make an album like this

02:44:28.479 and do it really well and then it'll

02:44:30.080 become my most popular album ever

02:44:31.840 created i would almost bet money on it

02:44:34.080 and that's the sad part of living

02:44:37.359 you guys agree if i did this but i did

02:44:39.680 it really high production

02:44:41.600 i better blow up

02:44:46.170 [Music]

02:44:51.600 some slide guitar

02:44:53.590 [Music]

02:45:00.720 oh yeah i guess it was never mind it

02:45:02.960 just sounds like slide guitar first

02:45:10.399 so there you go that's eva early project

02:45:12.640 that's my negative fourth album i've

02:45:14.080 ever made um

02:45:15.600 so i guess that means that my fifth

02:45:16.800 album coming up is actually my tenth

02:45:18.880 album so that's kind of cool

02:45:21.439 yeah how's the lumatone situation

02:45:23.359 amazing they sent me a new lumatone

02:45:25.279 brand new and it works amazing and it

02:45:27.120 feels better than the other one too and

02:45:29.200 i've got over there now instead of down

02:45:30.720 here just because i was doing a project

02:45:32.720 for a friend of mine and i had to

02:45:33.920 perform some piano on their album and

02:45:37.840 i i recorded a lot of it first with

02:45:40.080 lumatone and there were some parts i

02:45:42.720 needed to shred and i can't shred on the

02:45:44.240 lumatone yet although i'm actually

02:45:45.920 getting way better i actually i'll do a

02:45:48.000 lumitone stream again soon

02:45:50.399 i really love

02:45:52.319 i feel like in the last week or two i've

02:45:54.399 played more lumatone than ever and i

02:45:56.160 feel like i've gotten way better at it

02:45:58.640 so there's there's that i've also been

02:46:00.640 practicing

02:46:01.680 i'm gonna be doing um a cover no i guess

02:46:03.600 not a cover but a rendition uh

02:46:06.160 arrangement of

02:46:07.840 of dannyboy in 31.

02:46:18.399 um

02:46:25.520 oh i love danny boyce so much so i'm

02:46:27.840 going to be doing a singing i'm going to

02:46:29.680 sing and play lumatone 31

02:46:33.040 on um

02:46:35.840 really wait on one of my own songs it

02:46:38.080 had a copyright right claim i think

02:46:40.319 there was one stream where i played now

02:46:42.560 which is a soul artist so if it was a

02:46:45.040 live stream i did play copyrighted music

02:46:46.800 once on a live stream let me know if it

02:46:48.640 was one of my main pieces though

02:46:50.960 so and then i'll try to avoid that

02:47:05.530 [Music]

02:47:16.720 so

02:47:30.479 oh

02:47:36.960 lumatone no sound you guys don't hear

02:47:38.319 that right now

02:47:39.359 oh you guys didn't know i'm over here

02:47:40.640 playing oh it's not the luma tone i've

02:47:42.800 got a keyboard in front of me hold up

02:47:44.240 let me try this let me see if

02:47:47.120 now you guys can hear it right

02:47:49.439 seems to be good now

02:47:51.359 i think you all were just pulling my leg

02:47:53.760 oh you can't hear it when i do it that

02:47:55.200 way bummer because that way has no

02:47:57.120 latency and this one has latency

02:47:59.520 oh well i'll try and do

02:48:00.960 i'm not playing louboutin lumeton's over

02:48:02.399 there i actually want to play lumatone

02:48:04.160 for this because i've been practicing it

02:48:05.680 on lumatone but you know i can play it

02:48:07.760 on 12 video piano too

02:48:10.000 oh it's so latent though

02:48:19.439 hmm

02:48:25.300 [Music]

02:48:35.760 oh

02:48:45.260 [Music]

02:49:11.439 you can hear now right okay

02:49:14.319 are you putting any of the are you are

02:49:16.479 you putting up any of this yeah i'm

02:49:17.840 going to put up all of this the whole

02:49:19.200 point of the stream i'm probably going

02:49:20.240 to delete the last two hours of the

02:49:21.920 stream actually

02:49:23.840 because the whole point was i was going

02:49:25.040 to stream for 30 minutes and talk about

02:49:26.479 theories of prime modality

02:49:28.160 then i did and then people were still

02:49:30.080 here

02:49:33.540 [Music]

02:50:08.319 sure i guess that's true wade

02:50:18.280 [Music]

02:50:34.960 oops

02:50:40.479 who said this was 12 edo

02:50:46.880 who said this was 12

02:50:49.840 someone thinks this is 12 video

02:50:52.880 it's close it's very very close it's an

02:50:54.880 ultra high resolution ji thing that's

02:50:57.520 pretty much 12 video it's my highest

02:50:59.760 harmonic segment thing

02:51:03.279 you're over here thinking it's 12v how

02:51:04.800 do you think do you think 12 videos

02:51:05.920 don't know um it's it's pretty much full

02:51:08.240 video just a little more ji

02:51:10.800 let's see here oh

02:51:14.640 here i actually want to switch pianos

02:51:19.840 kind of like the tone here better

02:51:22.399 this is 12 video

02:51:24.720 [Music]

02:51:36.080 doesn't that sound way worse

02:51:37.180 [Music]

02:51:40.720 i can't get lost in that

02:51:43.760 uh let me go here

02:51:46.800 what about this sound

02:51:47.820 [Music]

02:51:55.439 no i mean it was 12. it was like a 12

02:51:57.279 note framework

02:52:02.560 [Music]

02:52:07.120 i will go to 12 now

02:52:11.600 [Music]

02:52:14.080 but i like if i'm going to do 12 i turn

02:52:15.920 sympathetic resonance up a lot because

02:52:17.760 then it becomes ji just based on its

02:52:19.279 kind of sympathetic sympathy

02:52:48.000 at first i was using a ji that's on 512.

02:52:50.880 everything is basically down to like 0.2

02:52:54.319 or 0.3 cents of 12 video so you you're

02:52:58.240 pretty accurate with it

02:53:00.319 i very rarely play in pure 12. i'm in

02:53:02.640 pier 12 right now though

02:53:04.490 [Music]

02:53:24.160 oh

02:53:25.040 how about that

02:53:29.580 [Music]

02:53:56.399 so

02:54:09.170 [Music]

02:54:16.830 [Applause]

02:54:17.390 [Music]

02:54:57.680 someone's trying to claim gossamer is

02:54:59.760 theirs

02:55:01.439 okay now you got me interested

02:55:05.760 okay that

02:55:07.600 is extremely interesting um

02:55:09.290 [Music]

02:55:10.880 no way gossamer has a counter-strike

02:55:13.439 claim on it let me check

02:55:18.399 oh my god it does

02:55:20.800 oh my what's this

02:55:23.279 yeah uh no counter-claiming the hell out

02:55:25.760 of that right now that is crazy thank

02:55:29.200 you for catching that gossamer has a

02:55:31.439 copyright claim on it that is literally

02:55:34.399 insane and it makes me want to burn

02:55:36.960 the

02:55:38.000 it's probably automatic with an

02:55:39.439 algorithm it makes me want to burn

02:55:41.040 youtube to the ground i'm going to go

02:55:42.160 and like nevermind i was gonna say

02:55:43.520 something that i probably shouldn't say

02:55:44.479 probably okay let's see

02:55:46.160 um that's

02:55:48.000 crazy crazy crazy crazy that is actually

02:55:50.240 the craziest thing i've heard all day

02:55:51.439 hold up

02:55:52.399 gossamer gossiper does not sound like

02:55:54.720 anybody else's music period that is some

02:55:56.640 cracked out music let's see here

02:55:58.399 copyright claim

02:56:00.240 your video

02:56:02.880 i can't actually just claim i can't

02:56:04.560 counter claim right now

02:56:06.479 you know

02:56:08.240 what is this what is this crap

02:56:10.560 select action

02:56:12.720 dispute

02:56:17.520 my dispute isn't based i would still

02:56:18.960 like to con

02:56:20.000 are you serious i'm doing a claim on

02:56:21.600 this right now this is original content

02:56:25.200 okay review requirements you can

02:56:28.319 confirm everything is yours it is yeah

02:56:30.240 of course find out who claimed the

02:56:31.600 content some crackpot

02:56:33.600 okay contact claim is my original it

02:56:35.600 does not include anyone else's work true

02:56:37.920 uh this is literally this is literally

02:56:40.000 my piece

02:56:41.439 you are all you are all insane and i

02:56:44.560 hate this stupid computer dmca crap

02:56:48.000 the mca crap gossamer was composed

02:56:51.200 between 2011 and 2012 as a

02:56:55.359 centerpiece

02:56:57.120 to my first album dream surah

02:57:01.520 it is entirely my own music

02:57:05.840 and this is stupid okay

02:57:09.359 perfect

02:57:11.120 uh-huh

02:57:14.160 signature full legal name yeah

02:57:20.160 and let me also see who this who this

02:57:22.240 person who who let me go listen wait i

02:57:24.640 won't listen to the thing that caught me

02:57:26.000 copyrighted right because then they'll

02:57:27.120 try and be like oh we're gonna copyright

02:57:28.880 your thing now i can't believe that i'm

02:57:31.120 going to

02:57:33.439 that's crazy that's actually crazy

02:57:36.479 hold up

02:57:38.479 you are all insane i hate this stupid

02:57:40.000 dmca crap leave me alone gossamer was

02:57:42.560 literally composed

02:57:46.720 let's sing a piece of time oh music and

02:57:48.319 this is stupid

02:57:50.399 a piece claimed

02:57:58.000 okay

02:57:59.040 there's that okay i submitted a counter

02:58:00.720 claim

02:58:01.600 i'll be going down if oh god to even try

02:58:04.720 and say that just is so offensive to me

02:58:07.279 god why would i want to copyright that

02:58:08.800 trash song or why would i want to copy

02:58:10.640 someone's trash song like that you know

02:58:12.800 what i'm saying

02:58:13.920 like you they what is this crap

02:58:16.560 i can't believe it

02:58:18.399 that's crazy

02:58:20.180 [Music]

02:58:21.760 how about we all listen to so what if i

02:58:23.760 listen to gossamer on the stream there's

02:58:25.279 a stream getting it flagged as copy

02:58:26.640 right now i hope this

02:58:28.399 you are actually stupid that's pretty

02:58:29.840 much what i did there is no way that

02:58:31.760 gosmore sounds anything like that piece

02:58:33.439 gossamer is like the dumbest form ever

02:58:35.760 it's literally like a three you know

02:58:37.359 what if gossamer is copyrighted

02:58:40.560 sirens

02:58:44.560 that one siren song should be

02:58:45.840 copyrighted too because gosmer is inside

02:58:47.760 of it let's see

02:58:50.080 what's that sound called again

02:58:52.319 okay

02:58:53.200 what is this crap yeah this isn't

02:58:55.439 copyrighted it's got 280 000 views or

02:58:58.319 whatever it's not copyrighted that is

02:59:00.399 insane that is literally insane and i

02:59:03.120 hope that these people wake up in the

02:59:05.040 morning and have diarrhea

02:59:11.439 i hope they're either constipated or

02:59:14.080 diarrhea

02:59:21.340 [Music]

02:59:35.680 how about both

02:59:38.240 yeah let me turn my camera off that one

02:59:39.439 probably died this time

02:59:46.150 [Music]

03:00:27.760 hmm

03:00:29.830 [Music]

03:00:52.399 i feel like every time i play 12 video i

03:00:54.000 have to play pure imagination

03:00:56.670 [Music]

03:01:19.279 you know what i gotta get the chart for

03:01:20.640 that i guess i can try and change

03:01:22.399 batteries again i'll let my camera chill

03:01:23.840 out i should probably end this stream

03:01:25.120 it's going way longer than i thought i

03:01:26.240 need to eat food

03:01:27.600 pure imagination i need to eat food

03:01:32.240 let's see here let me get a little chart

03:01:33.760 for this so i feel like pure imagining

03:01:35.359 out of my mind i feel like i never

03:01:38.000 remember

03:01:39.760 the charts for things because i always

03:01:42.399 never play them

03:01:44.240 i always like just improvise and i can't

03:01:46.640 focus my adhd to learn the charts

03:01:48.640 properly

03:01:49.760 so i just i kind of loosely know how it

03:01:52.000 goes i've even written it down like five

03:01:53.520 times

03:01:54.319 in my little book but

03:01:56.240 alas

03:01:58.319 you know it's actually crazy that

03:02:00.399 gene wilder wrote this

03:02:02.479 did you guys think that's pretty crazy

03:02:03.840 like he's an actor or whatever and he

03:02:05.279 like actually wrote this if i i could be

03:02:07.359 wrong pretty sure right no i guess maybe

03:02:09.359 he didn't write it i thought he did

03:02:11.200 because this chart says leslie bruce and

03:02:13.760 anthony newley but i thought i thought

03:02:16.479 uh

03:02:17.279 i thought was his face wrote it i guess

03:02:18.720 i'm wrong okay so c sharp seven sharp

03:02:20.720 nine

03:02:21.760 and then it's this little lovely little

03:02:23.120 g major thing that's like

03:02:24.880 um

03:02:27.040 okay right and then we get into the a

03:02:28.560 flat thing see i always remember the a

03:02:30.240 flat thing but i always forget how it

03:02:31.359 starts

03:02:35.940 [Music]

03:02:55.600 like half diminished

03:03:01.260 [Music]

03:03:09.520 one of my favorite melodies ever though

03:03:11.040 that's for sure

03:03:12.479 oh you said that's your fave too yeah

03:03:14.240 have you ever seen young frankenstein no

03:03:16.640 so gene wilder did he compose it or not

03:03:22.000 do you like the chromatic are you

03:03:22.960 talking about the chromatic run here

03:03:32.880 are you talking about the chromatic run

03:03:34.000 here

03:03:36.160 or how's it go yeah

03:03:41.100 [Music]

03:03:54.319 isn't that cool yeah yeah black screen

03:03:56.240 is because my camera overheated let me

03:03:58.160 look at the chart ooh good idea well you

03:04:00.720 see

03:04:02.319 i might

03:04:03.920 you're like let me look at the chart uh

03:04:06.160 my my friend here i myself

03:04:09.359 would like to look at the chart let me

03:04:10.720 show you the chart i'm looking at and

03:04:12.160 why i'm not playing it very well

03:04:17.279 what do you guys think about this chart

03:04:18.880 yeah baby i've got my real book

03:04:20.720 somewhere so i could go grab it but i

03:04:22.640 think it's in the pink the peach real

03:04:24.160 book this is what i'm trying to read it

03:04:25.439 off right now

03:04:46.399 that's

03:04:49.680 a nice like triplet run

03:04:53.840 so yeah that's what i'm reading off

03:04:55.279 right now my eyes can't see past the

03:04:57.600 giant preview only text

03:05:00.479 do you guys is this count

03:05:02.560 does this count as a preview what do you

03:05:04.319 guys think if if i can read the chart

03:05:06.880 okay i see the a flat set the a flat

03:05:09.279 seven

03:05:10.090 [Music]

03:05:12.240 and then it goes to what is this it's c7

03:05:14.399 right

03:05:20.240 right and then we go

03:05:26.160 and then we've got this which i don't

03:05:27.200 need the chart for this

03:05:35.120 oh yeah now is this sea said that's not

03:05:37.200 gonna be c minor right where it goes

03:05:40.479 no

03:05:42.070 [Music]

03:05:45.760 it's just c7

03:05:47.359 oh it's oh yeah right it's dominance

03:05:48.800 dominant

03:05:51.760 yeah okay that's true

03:05:53.359 is it really just a watermark if it's

03:05:55.200 opaque um

03:05:57.120 this is this is the how i get my charts

03:05:59.439 you know i just type google

03:06:01.600 chart and then i go looking around until

03:06:04.479 until we find beautiful charts like this

03:06:06.800 one here uh which is which is a bit of a

03:06:09.840 tease i must say

03:06:11.680 does this count if i play the whole

03:06:13.200 thing from this

03:06:14.960 any musician reading off the preview

03:06:17.120 from previous success

03:06:19.439 from previews i i mean i've got the real

03:06:21.520 book i owned this

03:06:25.040 i i own this i mean i've got the chart

03:06:27.359 somewhere i've even gotten it written

03:06:28.479 down in my little composition book

03:06:30.399 but alas

03:06:32.560 but alas we don't does that actually

03:06:34.720 count as dmca if i read off

03:06:41.680 i a i could play microtunnel

03:06:43.760 well i guess you guys can't see me so i

03:06:45.040 can turn on the lumitone and play

03:06:46.080 microtuna sure

03:06:49.120 all right we're gonna shift into the

03:06:50.240 lumatone i'm turning on right now

03:06:54.130 [Music]

03:07:27.680 okay now i've got lumatone turned on

03:07:29.359 it's time to go over to the lumatone

03:07:31.840 and i shall play in

03:07:33.600 let's see i'll play in 31

03:07:35.760 edo first i'll give you guys some some

03:07:39.680 some linear

03:07:41.359 linear things

03:07:43.120 there we go

03:07:45.040 uh string retention

03:07:51.439 it's so laggy though

03:07:55.600 okay i don't have a sustain pedal

03:07:57.120 plugged in that's kind of a problem hold

03:07:59.040 on let me lower this to 280 hertz

03:08:04.840 there that'll be fine then let me take

03:08:07.520 the sustain pedal out from my i need to

03:08:09.439 buy another sustain pedal let me take

03:08:11.279 the sustain pedal out from my nord stage

03:08:13.359 3.

03:08:15.279 then bring it over here

03:08:30.319 all right i think we're good now

03:08:32.080 oh and i gotta move the sustain pedal

03:08:45.279 hold on that's too loud the velocity

03:08:47.760 curve is a bit different

03:08:50.240 okay i think we're good now

03:08:56.930 [Music]

03:09:02.399 let me know if that's loud enough or not

03:09:07.960 [Music]

03:09:19.040 so

03:09:20.540 [Music]

03:10:36.800 i need to adjust my velocity curve

03:10:39.600 god you just hate that why does everyone

03:10:42.399 compare me to jacob collier quit

03:10:44.080 comparing me to jacob collier i'm my own

03:10:45.840 musician i've been doing music since

03:10:48.160 longer oh my gosh

03:10:49.680 i've been making music before i knew he

03:10:52.160 existed

03:10:53.200 ah it's gonna drive me crazy one day

03:10:54.960 it's flattering but i can't handle it

03:10:57.200 any longer i am my own artist i i'm not

03:10:59.840 david coyer i am my own artist

03:11:02.960 okay sorry sorry about that i apologize

03:11:04.560 thank you that's a great compliment i

03:11:05.680 appreciate it he's a great artist

03:11:12.310 [Music]

03:11:48.880 like i go

03:11:54.800 [Music]

03:11:59.040 check this out

03:12:09.439 where's it at

03:12:29.200 where's it out

03:12:42.340 [Music]

03:12:55.200 do

03:12:56.810 [Music]

03:13:13.920 [Applause]

03:13:14.740 [Music]

03:13:20.000 do

03:13:21.570 [Music]

03:13:47.359 so

03:14:14.160 [Music]

03:14:20.830 [Applause]

03:14:21.410 [Music]

03:14:22.480 [Applause]

03:14:23.220 [Music]

03:14:57.520 so

03:14:59.070 [Music]

03:15:44.740 [Applause]

03:15:51.920 so

03:15:54.310 [Music]

03:16:34.319 do

03:16:35.750 [Music]

03:16:49.359 so

03:16:51.420 [Music]

03:17:31.920 do

03:17:45.200 so

03:17:55.900 [Music]

03:18:13.680 well that's fun

03:18:16.319 isn't that enjoyable gosh we sure do

03:18:19.120 love

03:18:20.080 that a little bit don't we

03:18:24.479 please no i'm losing my sense of pitch

03:18:26.640 have mercy

03:18:28.479 indeed your sense of pitch

03:18:30.399 shall be deleted by this magical stream

03:18:33.359 here

03:18:34.800 okay i'm gonna go switch batteries then

03:18:36.640 i'm gonna turn my camera on and then i'm

03:18:38.000 gonna say goodbye because i've been here

03:18:39.760 way too long be right back

03:18:56.720 yes exactly that was 1280 i don't know

03:18:59.040 why

03:19:01.120 i don't know why your sense of pitch

03:19:02.479 would be off about that those are just

03:19:04.640 the normal notes we always have

03:19:07.840 okay camera turn on now i said now turn

03:19:10.319 on clap oh it turned on right when i

03:19:12.000 clapped

03:19:12.960 okay

03:19:14.560 oh no it turned out a lot sooner it just

03:19:16.080 got laggy because i was looking at the

03:19:17.279 old

03:19:19.040 hmm okay hello everybody gosh

03:19:21.600 whoo i'm quite hot let's see

03:19:24.479 let's see i wonder if i could show you

03:19:25.760 the loom tone maybe

03:19:28.080 my room's messy no judging my

03:19:30.840 room i guess it's not messy i guess like

03:19:33.520 the cleanest part of the room actually

03:19:34.880 to be honest with you

03:19:36.720 there we go

03:19:40.020 [Music]

03:19:42.399 yeah there we go wasn't that fun

03:19:44.399 everyone

03:19:47.200 mm-hmm

03:19:48.479 that was definitely 12 video no i do not

03:19:50.800 have a perfect pitch i have very

03:19:53.200 imperfect pitch but i've got very strong

03:19:55.680 relative hearing

03:19:57.040 and that's all that really matters in

03:19:58.720 music i think most of the time you know

03:20:01.279 so

03:20:03.200 yep yep yep oh korg yeah yeah for sure

03:20:05.920 i've got the um

03:20:07.600 i've got the prologue over there i like

03:20:09.200 the prologue better i just got my hpi

03:20:11.279 box so i can start micro tuning those

03:20:12.960 synthesizers um but i haven't used it

03:20:15.760 yet because i have to get midi cables

03:20:17.200 and because i'm such an in the box

03:20:19.600 zoomer composer i don't have many cables

03:20:23.439 so

03:20:24.560 i've tuned in twice now asking if

03:20:26.160 something's for every i don't for

03:20:27.600 a now i guess i'll play a little

03:20:29.520 bit of

03:20:31.520 i guess i'll play a little bit of 34

03:20:33.760 before i

03:20:34.880 go

03:20:35.920 yeah the h5 box is cool i mean you might

03:20:38.479 as well order one because

03:20:42.000 i really wanted one and they were out so

03:20:44.800 now they aren't out so i bought one

03:20:49.920 let's see

03:20:51.200 is that better yeah okay

03:20:54.840 hmm okay let's see y'all can you all

03:20:57.120 hear me and everything

03:20:59.439 we're good yeah we're good lumatone

03:21:01.600 focus

03:21:02.880 camera focus here not on the microphone

03:21:04.640 let me move my microphone it's in the

03:21:05.680 way

03:21:07.680 hello i've got some fruit gummy snacks

03:21:09.680 too i'm gonna eat in a moment

03:21:11.359 34 are we here we good yeah excellent

03:21:14.560 we're good

03:21:18.020 [Music]

03:21:32.360 [Applause]

03:21:35.210 [Music]

03:21:53.920 oh it overheated again okay okay okay

03:21:56.399 okay okay okay my camera is too hot my

03:21:58.800 room is hot i need to turn my ac on but

03:22:00.640 if i turn my ac on there's a bunch of

03:22:02.640 noise

03:22:03.840 so it's been real

03:22:05.840 it's been real fun i hope you've all

03:22:07.760 enjoyed

03:22:08.800 listening to me make music and uh enjoy

03:22:12.080 my music and thanks for being here

03:22:14.800 it is now time we pull the plug on the

03:22:16.399 stream and then i have to write in the

03:22:18.000 description watch the first 30 minutes

03:22:19.920 because that's really what the whole

03:22:20.800 point of this stream was

03:22:22.640 exposing a theory of prime modality

03:22:25.200 so

03:22:27.680 i'm gonna go drink some water turn my ac

03:22:29.920 on

03:22:30.720 eat some fruit gummy snacks and some

03:22:32.479 other stuff so it was nice chatting with

03:22:34.560 everyone have a

03:22:36.239 wonderful rest of your evening

03:22:39.520 crazy how many ways you can make 12 you

03:22:41.600 thank you wod well you know

03:22:43.920 when you've got the jacob call you're in

03:22:45.600 and

03:22:48.399 okay gosh gosh gosh all right goodbye

03:22:51.040 everyone cheers cheers cheers