Speaker Podcast Episodes

Listen to each of our conference presenters on the AMDG Podcast:

How to Pray with the Stars with Br. Guy Consolmagno, SJ

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How do you pray with the stars? That’s the question underpinning today’s conversation with returning guest, Br. Guy Consolmagno. Guy is a Jesuit brother and director of the Vatican Observatory. He’s also the author of the new book, “A Jesuit’s Guide to the Stars: Exploring Wonder, Beauty and Science.”

As you’ll soon learn, Br. Guy is infinitely quotable. Let me give you an example. He writes, “To me, miracles have nothing to do with scientific laws. Rather, a miracle is any remarkable sign that serves to direct our attention to God.”

For Br. Guy, that’s what his work in planetary science is all about: How do we better understand God? How do we better see God at work in our world? If you’ve heard Br. Guy speak before, you know he sees no conflict between science and religion. Rather, they’re different forms of knowing, different ways of coming into contact with our God of the universe.

What does it mean to pray with the stars? Br. Guy tells the story of how many folks often ask him to explain what the star of Bethlehem was. Stars are his thing, right? He should know! But Br. Guy, true to that quote I read above, isn’t interested in collapsing science into religion or vice versa. What’s the star of Bethlehem? Whatever leads us closer to Christ.

But that’s not all. We also talk about how formative science fiction and fantasy have been for Br. Guy’s vocation and about that one time he met William Shatner.

Get Br. Guy's book: store.loyolapress.com/a-jesuits-guide-to-the-stars

Learn more about the Vatican Observatory: www.vaticanobservatory.va/en/

Why This Catholic Author Retold Bible Stories As Fairy Tales with Rose John Sheffler

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“To many, Fantasy, this sub-creative art which plays strange tricks with the world and all that is in it, combining nouns and redistributing adjectives, has seemed suspect, if not illegitimate. To some it has seemed at least a childish folly” writes J.R.R. Tolkien in his classic essay, “On Fairy-Stories.” He goes on to insist: “Fantasy is a natural human activity. It certainly does not destroy or even insult Reason; and it does not either blunt the appetite for, nor obscure the perception of, scientific verity. On the contrary. The keener and the clearer is the reason, the better fantasy will it make.”

In short, Tolkien is saying that the fantastical—stories of elves and dragons and magical staffs—are not escape hatches from this world but rather invitations to delve deeper into the truth of our own reality.

Today’s guest tests that hypothesis—and, in my humblest of opinions, proves just how right Tolkien was. Rose John Sheffler is a Catholic writer who has been telling stories her whole life. She’s written a delightful volume of Biblically inspired fairy tales called “Past Watchful Dragons: Biblical Stories Retold.”

Her book invites us into the world of Erith where we meet characters we know from the Bible but…different. Still—and, as you’ll hear—the truth of these stories, the values and the hopes that they point to, are familiar and likely resonate with what lies deep in your own heart.

If you want to learn more about Rose’s work or get a copy of her book, visit rosejohnsheffler.substack.com.

Why Myth and Fantasy Illuminate Our Spiritual Lives with John Hendrix

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Today’s guest, New York Times bestselling author and illustrator, John Hendrix, provides a pretty compelling answer in his latest book, “The Mythmakers: The Remarkable Fellowship of C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien.” It’s from a particular scene in his book—and we discuss at length in our conversation. It’s a pivot moment, a conversation between Tolkien, Lewis and their mutual friend, Hugo Dyson.

“The hunger in your stomach does not prove that you will get a meal,” Tolkien says. “But it does prove that your body was meant for food. The point is simple. The ‘dying and reviving God’ images that moves you so deeply in mythology is the very same story found in the Gospels.”

Dyson adds: “Men write their myths and God writes his.”

Lewis is exasperated: “Now both of you are saying that Christ is a myth…like Loki?” he asked.

“Exactly,” Tolkien says. “With one simple difference: “Christ is the myth that entered history. He is the myth that actually came true.”

I won’t spoil any more of the story for you. But if you are curious about the intersection of fantastical storytelling and spiritual discoveries, if you’ve ever wanted to learn more about the creators of Narnia and Middle-earth and their all-important friendship, then this conversation with John Hendrix is for you. And so’s his book.

A little more about John: His books include The Faithful Spy: Dietrich Bonhoeffer and the Plot to Kill Hitler, called a Best Book of 2018 by NPR, Drawing Is Magic: Discovering Yourself in a Sketchbook, Miracle Man: The Story of Jesus, and many others. His award-winning illustrations have also appeared on book jackets, newspapers, and magazines all over the world. And he is the Kenneth E. Hudson Professor of Art and the founding Chair of the MFA in Illustration and Visual Culture program at the Sam Fox School of Design and Visual Arts at Washington University in St. Louis.

You can learn more about John’s impressive career and grab copies of his many books at johnhendrix.com.

Is Jesus the Monster? Horror & Theology

with Ryan Duns, SJ

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I’m not much of a fan of horror films. But I do love speculative storytelling — of which horror is a sub-genre. Even more, I love using stories of pop culture to dive deeper into faith, spirituality and the nuances of scripture. Which is how we’ve arrived at today’s horror-themed episode.

Fr. Ryan Duns — a Jesuit priest and professor at Marquette University — has a new book out from the University of Notre Dame Press called “Theology of Horror: The Hidden Depths of Popular Films.” Throughout the book, Fr. Duns invites us to reflect more deeply on what horror reveals about our real world, our spiritual selves and the God who is present in all of it.

There was one particularly stirring moment in this conversation that I’ve come back to again and again. Fr. Duns is reflecting on the role of the monster in these stories. Whatever the tale, the monster interrupts the status quo, business as usual, whatever constitutes normal and consequently leaves characters scrambling to put the pieces back in place. These sort of horror films are about killing the monster, killing the thing that disrupts our accepted understanding of how the world works so as to continue living as we always have.

Now here’s the kicker: Jesus is the monster. Right? In the story of Scripture — and in our world today — the ideas that Jesus represents, the Good News he comes to bring of hope and healing and compassion and mercy disrupt the status quo. What do the characters in the story do? They kill the monster. And they try to pretend the whole thing never happened, that what Jesus said and pointed to and called us to take on was a lie.

I’m struck by this, particularly as we prepare for Holy Week and Easter. Because we know that Jesus isn’t dead, the new world he pointed to is real, and nothing can ever be the same again. And so, what will we do as a result? What part do we play in this proverbial horror story? If that idea piques your interest, then buckle up.

Dungeons, Dragons and the Formation of a Moral Imagination with Susan Haarman

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Last May, America Magazine ran an article entitled “Dungeons & Dragons—and Jesuits” by Robert Buckland, a Jesuit in formation. Buckland admits to being a longtime fan of D&D, but even he is surprised by how popular the game has become — and in the most surprising of places. Buckland describes how this role-playing game that was once shunned by religious communities is now aiding in the imaginative and moral formation of young men in religious life.

“Playing D&D,” Buckland writes, “can reveal dimensions of character that might otherwise remain hidden in the structured environment of houses for religious formation.”

Today’s host, Eric Clayton, was enchanted by this argument; Buckland’s essay has stayed with him for these many months since. And it’s perhaps thanks to Buckland’s writing that he then encountered today’s guest: Dr. Susan Haarman.

Dr. Haarman is the associate director at Loyola University Chicago’s Center for Engaged Learning, Teaching and Scholarship. In that role, she facilitates the university’s service-learning program and publishes on community-based learning. But her real love is the research she conducts into the capacity of tabletop role-playing games like Dungeons & Dragons as formative tools for civic identity and imagination.

Most important for today’s conversation, Susan wrote a chapter entitled “Roll for Discernment: Dungeon Master as St. Ignatius’ Spiritual Director” in the 2025 book “Theology, Religion and Dungeons and Dragons: Explorations of the Sacred through Fantasy Worlds.”

Susan will be a panelist at an upcoming conference co-sponsored by the Jesuit Media Lab and Loyola University Chicago’s Hank Center for the Catholic Intellectual Heritage, and it was in preparing for that conference that Eric read Susan’s work and wanted to talk with her more for our podcast.

You might be tempted to think that D&D is something just for fantasy nerds, but as Susan so passionately details, games like Dungeons & Dragons are really experiences in shared storytelling, in co-creating and inhabiting a common space in which our imaginations — and our ability to cultivate empathy and understanding — run wild.

Whether you’re a long-time fan of role-playing games or just hearing about them for the first time today, we think you’re going to enjoy this conversation.

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