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in Italy, the meaning of the word Macedonia is fruit salad.

Maybe the Greeks should start complaining about this as well ? -

στην Ιταλία, η έννοια της λέξης Μακεδονία είναι φρουτοσαλάτα.

Ίσως οι Έλληνες να αρχίσουν επίσης να διαμαρτύρονται για αυτό ;

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I do not support the name 'Macedonia' for this former Yugoslav republic, because this is another option for the destabilization of the Balkans in the future.

We already have huge problems with the Albanians in the Balkans. They tripping that they are successors of the ancient Illyrians, and have territorial aspirations to the (literally) all their neighbors (see map of Greater Albania).I'm not saying that the FYROMians will do this, but this is another real possibility for destabilization of the Balkans in the future. Great powers have always played their games in the Balkans, why take the risk?Although this was once South Serbia, with the South Serbian dialect (which is officially recognized in the Kingdom of Yugoslavia), I consider them for the separate nation. But they are not successors of the ancient Macedonians, they are Slavic nations.If they do not leave this nonsense, the recognition of Macedonia under this name is very dangerous for the future of the Balkans.

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Fyrom is a chimera state made up of a mix of Serbs and Bulgarians with an invented and obviously false history and most of its national symbols stolen wholesale from its neighbours.

It would have been better if the Vardar region ( of the former Yugoslavia ) had just been split between Bulgaria and Serbia like it should have been.That said it should be allowed to name itself what it likes, so long as somewhere else doesn't already have the name.(Edit) just realised my intentions might not be clear. What I essentially mean is that the people can by all means call themselves Macedonians; that's there ethnonym [1] now, no matter the bullshit used to justify it. But the country itself should not be called Macedonia. Or rather, not just Macedonia. North Macedonia or Vardar-Macedonia or something, if you absolutely have to be stealing names from your southern neighbours.

I actually rather like Vardar-Vardarska-Vardariotes as a name. It's aesthetically pleasing.

(Edit 2) and yes, I do delete silly racist-irredentist horseshit.

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[1] ethnonym (from the Greek: ἔθνος, éthnos, "nation" and ὄνομα, ónoma, "name") is the name applied to a given ethnic group. ethnonyms can be divided into two categories: exonyms (where the name of the ethnic group has been created by another group of people) and autonyms or endonyms (self-designation; where the name is created and used by the ethnic group itself).

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η πΓΔΜ είναι ένα κράτος χίμαιρα που αποτελείται από ένα μείγμα Σέρβων και Βουλγάρων με μια επινοημένη και προφανώς ψευδή ιστορία και τα περισσότερα από τα εθνικά σύμβολα της κλεμμένα στη χονδρική από τους γείτονές της.

Θα ήταν καλύτερα αν η επαρχία Βαρδάρσκα ( της πρώην Γιουγκοσλαβίας ) είχε μόλις χωριστεί μεταξύ Βουλγαρίας και Σερβίας, όπως θα έπρεπε. Με άλλα λόγια θα πρέπει να επιτρέπεται να αποκαλείται με όποιο όνομα της αρέσει, εφ 'όσον κάποιος άλλος δεν έχει ήδη το όνομα.

(Επεξεργασία) μόλις συνειδητοποίησα ότι οι προθέσεις μου μπορεί να μην είναι σαφείς. Αυτό που ουσιαστικά εννοώ είναι ότι ο λαός της μπορεί με οποιονδήποτε τρόπο να αυτο-αποκαλούνται Μακεδόνες. αυτό είναι εκεί το εθνωνύμιο τώρα [1], ανεξάρτητα από τις μαλακίες που χρησιμοποιούνται για να το δικαιολογήσουν. Αλλά η ίδια η χώρα δεν πρέπει να αποκαλείται Μακεδονία. Ή μάλλον, όχι μόνο Μακεδονία. ή Βόρεια Μακεδονία, ή Μακεδονία του Βαρδάρ, ή κάτι τέτοιο, αν χρειάζεται να κλέβετε ονόματα από τους νότιους γείτονές σας.

Πραγματικά μάλλον συμπαθώ vardar-Vardarska-Vardariotes ως όνομα. Είναι αισθητικά ευχάριστο.

(Επεξεργασία 2) και ναι, διαγράφω το ανόητο ρατσιστικό-αλυτρωτικό σχόλιο.

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[1] εθνωνύμιο ή εθνώνυμο είναι το όνομα που χρησιμοποιείται ήδη από τον ύστερο 19ο αι. για να προσδιορίσει ένα έθνος ή μια εθνότητα. Τα εθνωνύμια χωρίζονται σε δύο κατηγορίες, τα εξωνύμια ή εξώνυμα (το όνομα της εθνοτικής ομάδας έχει δημιουργηθεί από άλλη ομάδα ανθρώπων) και αυτωνύμια ή αυτώνυμα και ενδώνυμα (αυτοπροσδιορισμοί που δημιουργούνται και χρησιμοποιούνται από την ίδια την εθνική ομάδα)

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Give them the name of U.S.A = United Slavo-Albanians. Fits PERFECT! I would suggest "Vardarska" as new name to FYROM but seems it does not particularly promote the prestige of the small country, so it has no hope. Poor lies, behind the latest sudden impatience of Skopians' name solution are hidden the Americans, so our neighbors to honor the Superpower would have to appropriately adopt the US nation name with different content: USA = United Slavo-Albanians! I think it fits them like a glove and Greeks wouldn't have any objection to it... ;-))

-1- Thus, we would also test and see the sincerity especially of Americans about obligation to respect nation's right to self-sufficiency and self-identification! LOL

-2- As for the flag of the new state, it could be the Star-Spangled Banner with one extra star ... xLOL

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Δώστε τους το όνομα U.S.A = United Slavo-Albanians ( Ενωμένοι Σλάβοι Αλβανοί ). Ταιριάζει ΤΈΛΕΙΑ! Θα πρότεινα τη Βαρδάρσκα ως νέο όνομα στην ΠΓΔΜ, αλλά φαίνεται ότι δεν προάγει ιδιαίτερα το κύρος της μικρής χώρας, οπότε δεν έχει καμία ελπίδα. Τα κακά ψέματα, πίσω από την τελευταία ξαφνική ανυπομονησία της λύσης του ονόματος των Σκοπίων, κρύβουν τους Αμερικανούς, οπότε οι γείτονές μας για να τιμήσουν την Υπερδύναμη θα πρέπει να υιοθετήσουν κατάλληλα το αμερικανικό όνομα με διαφορετικό περιεχόμενο: U.S.A = United Slavo-Albanians ( Ενωμένοι Σλάβοι Αλβανοί )! Νομίζω ότι ταιριάζει σαν γάντι και οι Έλληνες δεν θα είχαν αντίρρηση σε αυτό ...-))

-1- Έτσι θα δοκιμάζαμε και θα δούμε την ειλικρίνεια, ιδιαίτερα των Αμερικανών, για την υποχρέωση να σέβονται το δικαίωμα του έθνους στην αυτάρκεια και την αυτοπροσδιορισμό! χαχαχα.

-2- Όσο για τη σημαία του νέου κράτους, θα μπορούσε να είναι ο εθνικός θυρεός των Ηνωμένων Πολιτειών της Αμερικής ( the Star-Spangled Banner ) με ένα επιπλέον αστέρι ... x χαχαχα.

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2018-02-04 Syntagma square, Athens, Greece -

04-02-2018 Πλατεία Συντάγματος, Αθήνα, Ελλάδα

The fiery and the cynics - Mikis Theodorakis and the rally - LIFO

Ο φλογερός και οι κυνικοί - Ο Μίκης Θεοδωράκης και το συλλαλητήριο - LIFO

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Greeksnet.com - Δείτε τo συλλαλητήριο για το Μακεδονικό - Αθήνα - Πλατεία Σύνταγματος - (04/02/2018)

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I propose a name that will solve the problem of Skopje !!!

SlavAnia, or SlavvAnia.

that is ...

"Slav" for the Bulgarians of Skopje ...

and "vania" for the Albanians of Skopje!

The 'tone' can be entered into "nia" instead of "va" and be called ... !!!!!!!!!!!!!! SlavanIa, or SlavvanIA !!!!!!!!!!

and their identity "SlavAnian", or "SlavvAnian", or "SlavvanIan"

Please inform the Greek Government and the mon... e e e Matthew Nimetz to finish the case !!!

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Fyrom is a chimera state made up of a mix of Serbs and Bulgarians with an invented and obviously false history and most of its national symbols stolen wholesale from its neighbours.

It would have been better if the Vardar region ( of the former Yugoslavia ) had just been split between Bulgaria and Serbia like it should have been.That said it should be allowed to name itself what it likes, so long as somewhere else doesn't already have the name.(Edit) just realised my intentions might not be clear. What I essentially mean is that the people can by all means call themselves Macedonians; that's there ethnonym [1] now, no matter the bullshit used to justify it. But the country itself should not be called Macedonia. Or rather, not just Macedonia. North Macedonia or Vardar-Macedonia or something, if you absolutely have to be stealing names from your southern neighbours.

I actually rather like Vardar-Vardarska-Vardariotes as a name. It's aesthetically pleasing.

(Edit 2) and yes, I do delete silly racist-irredentist horseshit.

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[1] ethnonym (from the Greek: ἔθνος, éthnos, "nation" and ὄνομα, ónoma, "name") is the name applied to a given ethnic group. ethnonyms can be divided into two categories: exonyms (where the name of the ethnic group has been created by another group of people) and autonyms or endonyms (self-designation; where the name is created and used by the ethnic group itself).

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Προτείνω μια ονομασία πού θα λύσει τό πρόβλημα των Σκοπίων!!!

Σλαβάνια, ή Σλαββάνια.

δηλαδή ...

"Σλαβ" για τούς Βούλγαρους των Σκοπίων...

και "Βάνια" για τους Αλβανούς των Σκοπίων!

Ο τόνος μπορεί να να μπεί στο "νία" αντί στο "βα" ( ή στο "ββα" ) και να ονομαστεί...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Σλαββανία!!!!!!!!!!

και ή ταυτότητα τους "Σλαββανική"

Παρακαλώ ενημερώστε την ελληνική κυβέρνηση και τον μαϊμ.... έεεε Μάθιους Νίμιτς για να τελειώσει ή υπόθεση!!!

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η πΓΔΜ είναι ένα κράτος χίμαιρα που αποτελείται από ένα μείγμα Σέρβων και Βουλγάρων με μια επινοημένη και προφανώς ψευδή ιστορία και τα περισσότερα από τα εθνικά σύμβολα της κλεμμένα στη χονδρική από τους γείτονές της.

Θα ήταν καλύτερα αν η επαρχία Βαρδάρσκα ( της πρώην Γιουγκοσλαβίας ) είχε μόλις χωριστεί μεταξύ Βουλγαρίας και Σερβίας, όπως θα έπρεπε. Με άλλα λόγια θα πρέπει να επιτρέπεται να αποκαλείται με όποιο όνομα της αρέσει, εφ 'όσον κάποιος άλλος δεν έχει ήδη το όνομα.

(Επεξεργασία) μόλις συνειδητοποίησα ότι οι προθέσεις μου μπορεί να μην είναι σαφείς. Αυτό που ουσιαστικά εννοώ είναι ότι ο λαός της μπορεί με οποιονδήποτε τρόπο να αυτο-αποκαλούνται Μακεδόνες. αυτό είναι εκεί το εθνωνύμιο τώρα [1], ανεξάρτητα από τις μαλακίες που χρησιμοποιούνται για να το δικαιολογήσουν. Αλλά η ίδια η χώρα δεν πρέπει να αποκαλείται Μακεδονία. Ή μάλλον, όχι μόνο Μακεδονία. ή Βόρεια Μακεδονία, ή Μακεδονία του Βαρδάρ, ή κάτι τέτοιο, αν χρειάζεται να κλέβετε ονόματα από τους νότιους γείτονές σας.

Πραγματικά μάλλον συμπαθώ vardar-Vardarska-Vardariotes ως όνομα. Είναι αισθητικά ευχάριστο.

(Επεξεργασία 2) και ναι, διαγράφω το ανόητο ρατσιστικό-αλυτρωτικό σχόλιο.

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[1] εθνωνύμιο ή εθνώνυμο είναι το όνομα που χρησιμοποιείται ήδη από τον ύστερο 19ο αι. για να προσδιορίσει ένα έθνος ή μια εθνότητα. Τα εθνωνύμια χωρίζονται σε δύο κατηγορίες, τα εξωνύμια ή εξώνυμα (το όνομα της εθνοτικής ομάδας έχει δημιουργηθεί από άλλη ομάδα ανθρώπων) και αυτωνύμια ή αυτώνυμα και ενδώνυμα (αυτοπροσδιορισμοί που δημιουργούνται και χρησιμοποιούνται από την ίδια την εθνική ομάδα)

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Could any citizen of Skopje read the Ancient Macedonia coins of Phillip II father of Great Alexander ?

Μπορεί οποιοσδήποτε πολίτης των Σκοπίων να διαβάσει τα αρχαία μακεδονικά νομίσματα του πατέρα του Μεγάλου Αλεξάνδρου Φιλίππου Β ';

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THE NAKED TRUTH - Here is the Proof that Macedonia is Really Greek. The Minorities in the Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia F.Y.R.O.M. ( FYROM ). The population of F.Y.R.O.M. ( FYROM ) is an amorphous Slavic mass without a developed national consciousness. Monkeydonians can go cry :)

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Flag !!!!!!!!!! -

Σημαία !!!!!!!!!!

Coat of Arms !!!!!!!!!! -

Θυρεός !!!!!!!!!!

Map of Macedonia - Thessaloniki, other capitals include Kavala and Pella !!!!!!!!!! -

Χάρτης της Μακεδονίας - Θεσσαλονίκη, άλλες πρωτεύουσες περιλαμβάνουν την Καβάλα και την Πέλλα !!!!!!!!!!

Typical residents of Macedonia: two Albanians and a cop. !!!!!!!!!! -

Τυπικοί κάτοικοι της Μακεδονίας: δύο Αλβανοί και ένας μπάτσος. !!!!!!!!!!

National cuisine of Macedonia. Don't ask. Not to be confused with the Greek national drink - spermicide. !!!!!!!!!! -

Εθνική κουζίνα της Μακεδονίας. Μην ρωτάς. Να μην συγχέεται με το ελληνικό ποτό - σπερματοκτόνο. !!!!!!!!!!

Downtown Skopje, bustling with activity. !!!!!!!!!! -

Το κέντρο των Σκοπίων, γεμάτο δραστηριότητες. !!!!!!!!!!

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«Ἐξ ἱστορίας ἀναιρεθείσης τῆς ἀληθείας λόγοι κενοί τό λειπόμενον». If History is stripped of her truth what is left is only an idle tale. Polybius (Πολύβιος) , Histories 1.14.6 Greek historian - 200 BC.

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Denko Malevski was the first minister of foreign affairs of FYROM after the recognition of his country independence.

Another former politician of FYROM who admits the fabrication of his Country.

As far as Alexander and his place in the history of the country, Malevski acknowledges that is probably the result of political planning, rather than historical tradition.

Published on Mar 17, 2007

“The idea that Alexander the Great belongs to us was in the minds of some outsider groups only.

These groups were insignificant in the first years of our independence, but the big problem is that the old Balkan Nations they have been used in to legitimize themselves through their history.

In the Balkans to be recognized as a Nation you need to have a history of 2,000 to 3,000 years old.

Since you made us to invent a history … WE INVENTED IT !!!!!!!!!!

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For Malevski, his country was forced the refusal of Greece to co-operate in to a non-logical version of history in line to establish non-logical rights to it.

Τhe pressure we received from the Greek political world had as a result that we the moderates to be defeated and be replaced by Hardcore Nationalistic Groups.

Since you did not allowed us to exist as a Nation with dignity next to yours, and you did not gave us the time to sort out our problems, our historical differences, you forced us to dig up in history as deep as you dig.

You forced us in to the arms of the extremist Nationalists who today claim that we are direct descedents of Alexander the Great.

Your reaction was s self inflicting prophecy, like you wished to happen what did happened.

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(first Foreign Minister of FYROM) Denko Maleski on Macedonia ...

Published on Nov 18, 2014

Another former politician of FYROM who admits the fabrication of his Country.

duration 00:46 minutes

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FYROM are not MACEDONIANS. They are south Bulgarian SLAVS and their speech is a West Bulgarian dialect. ---- FYROM is a case study in the collective suicide of a nation that initially bases its existence on Bulgarian revolutionaries. Years later the narrative completely changes. Suddenly FYROM is related to Alexander the Great for political and irredentist claims against Greece. Never mind the fact that SLAVS came to the Balkans in the 7th Century A.D. ---- FYROM is a geopolitical Frankenstein state founded on outright lies. It's Bulgarian-Greek President Nikola Gruevski should be tried for treason for the cultural suppression and persecution of his own people. Gruevksi and his regime forbids by law any scientific research on the national and historical identity. (how convenient) "Macedonism" is a cancer. Nikola Gruevski is that cancer. Say no to fascism. VETO :)

With the ever changing historical narrative of FYROM, it's important to revisit earlier versions of it to remind us just how far this illegal state has come in its subversive quest to usurp Greek history as a means to legitimizing itself in the Balkans. From the horse’s mouth we present to you some telling truths, with which this criminal present day regime CANNOT ESCAPE;

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Kiro Gligorov:- “We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians" …(The former President of The FYROM)

Kiro Gligorov:- "We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia… Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century" ……(The former President of The FYROM)

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Kiro Gligorov We are Slavs 1992

Published on Nov 29, 2017

duration 00:26 minutes

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Ljubica Achevska:- "We do not claim to be descendants of Alexander the Great“ …(Ambassador of the FYROM to USA)

Gyordan Veselinov:- "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian. There is some confusion about the identity of the people of my country". …(FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada)

Slobodan Casule:- ”we belong to the same Slav people.” …(Foreign Minister of the FYROM)

Misirkov Krste-:"We are Bulgarian more than the Bulgarians in Bulgaria" (Slavist, historian)

Professor Donka Marntzieva Traikofska :- “Skopje 2014 project is an attempt to implant a cheap plagiarism “

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FYROM are Bulgarians and speak Bulgarian.

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"In the 1990s, FYROM speak a language codified in 1946, spoken by less than two million people, and with a very slender literature. They are members of an Orthodox Church whose authority was established by a socialist political regime in 1968.They are heirs to a 1903 revolution that until the 1940s was described by almost all sources as being Bulgarian.

- "The history of the Balkan Peninsula" Ferdinand Schevill page 432

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Ancient Macedonians spoke Greek and always claimed to be Greeks.. FYROM has no right to steal another country culture and history and then later claim human rights when Greece said NO to FYROM using the Greek name ‘Macedonia’. You can build as many Greek statues as you like, and rename roads using Greek Heroes name but FYROM will always be Bulgarians.. MACEDONIA IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE GREEK !!!!!

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That is, France has vetoed the name Great Britain (and France has an region called Bretagne ( Brittany ) and changed its name to "United Kingdom". And we are not talking about a small country but about Great Britain!

So we can not impose this small state?

Why are we so hurried? They need to join the EU and NATO, not us.

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A top official in Zoran Zaev's Social Democratic Union ( the political party ) of F.Y.R.O.M., who also asked not to be named, warned that Greece "could keep the same position for two centuries. We should find a solution to deblock the process of integration with Nato and the EU".

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"The question is: what is the price of joining the club?" asked Toni Deskoski, a law professor in Skopje.

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Greece’s starting and finishing position has always been that there is no Republic of Macedonia and there are no Macedonians other than Greeks who identity as such. In essence, they claim a monopoly on the name and the identity.

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The US, NATO, and EU position

The position of these governments and organizations is also well-known and amounts essentially to a tired reiteration that the two countries must come to a “mutually acceptable solution” and that since “Greece is in the club, and F.Y.R.O.M. is not,” the burden is on F.Y.R.O.M.

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The great music composer Mikis Theodorakis issued a shocking statement. He recently said about the Macedonia name dispute, "wake up Greek patriots. When you are afraid to say that you love your country Greece, and when, worse, you sell it out, that is the behavior of a slave. When you're not afraid to say that you love her and that you have the courage to shout it out very much loudly, that is not nationalism is patriotism. Stay true to the decision of the 1992 decision of political leaders on the name of Skopje. " . The unprecedented guru for the Left, Mikis Theodorakis, wants a name without the term 'Macedonia'.

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Dorothy King: Skopje claims are 'ridiculous'

“The Macedonians invaded and conquered Skopje, but Alexander conquered Iran and Afghanistan as well. None of these two other countries ever claimed to be Macedonia,” King says and adds “Amphipolis is in Macedonia, Vergina is in Macedonia and Macedonia is in Greece. To claim the opposite is so ridiculous. It is like saying that Jesus went to America..”

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Stephen Miller: FYROM Is Practicing Virtual History; Macedonia Was and Is Greek

If Greece accepts “Macedonia” does that mean that I have to accept a non-Greek Alexander? For the sake of historical accuracy, it must be understood that Macedonia was and is Greek

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==> FYROM change your name to Vardarska Banovina as it was one century before, and the people of the country Vardarskians, or Newbies.

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BREAKING NEWS !

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on October, 2017

151 Greek Akadēmaïkoi, Philellēnes & personalities say " no " in the use of " Macedonia " by the neighbours

The decision on a permanent name of Macedonia concerns the territorial of, peace and stability in balkans

October, 2017

To:

Donald Trump, President of the United States

Rex Tíllerson, U.S. Secretary of state

Matthew Nimitz, un special mediator between Greece and skopje

Member States of the United Nations

Member States of the European Union

Meps

Public to:

Mr... Procopius Pavlopoulos, President of the Hellenic Republic

Mr... Alexis Tsipras, Prime Minister of Greece

Mr... Nikos Kotzia, Greek Minister for foreign affairs

Mr... Kyriakos Mitsotakis, leader of the main opposition party - New Democracy

Leaders of all parties of the Greek Parliament

Members of the Greek and Cypriot Parliament

Ladies and gentlemen,

With this letter we want to make clear the reasons why Greeks cannot accept the term " Macedonia " or any name includes the term " Macedonia ", as the permanent name of its northern neighbour, the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. , point The Name Macedonia (Macedonia) was agreed only as temporary. The term Macedonia must be removed before that state is accepted by any international organisation. The reasons are explained below.

Like every nation, the Greeks feel proud when other countries use Greek historical names or Greek words, as they introduce new scientific terminology or give names to companies, squares or cities. However, Macedonia demands that it be given the same name that has a neighbouring region belonging to Greece (a large part of Northern Greece is called Macedonia and borders Macedonia). What reasons are behind this demand of Macedonia and why are the Greeks completely opposed?

On 11 January 1934, the Communist International (Comintern) recognized a non-existent nation, the macedonian, which included the population (different nationalities) who lived in the territories of ancient historical Macedonia; the much greater part of historical Macedonia belongs to Greece, a small part of Bulgaria and a small part of the-then-Southern Yugoslavia. Following (1944) the leader of the Communist Yugoslavia Broz, known as Tito, renamed an area of the Southern Yugoslavia by vardarska banovina (province of) in "Socialist Republic of Macedonia". That in parts of the Southern Yugoslavia, a slavic dialect similar to Bulgarian dialects, and called it "Macedonian language". it is important to note that the US government reacted immediately, with Foreign Minister Edward Stitínious saying that any mention of " Macedonian nation ", " Macedonian Father land " and " Macedonian conscience " is " unjustified demagogy that does not represent a national or political reality ", and that one can see it only as a " possible mask behind it hides aggressive intentions ", Against Greece '

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indeed, that time began to develop a narrative, according to which the Slavs "Macedonians" are descendants of the great Alexander and the ancient macedonian, and the Greeks possess most of their country (the a larger part of Northern Greece which has since been called Macedonia. This ideology began to manifest itself in a more intense way since 1991 (when the Southern Yugoslavia Region today called Macedonia was torn from Yugoslavia), as Macedonia's ruling party considered it appropriate to inspire the new macedonian nation. Of homogeneity and national pride and unite them in the effort to claim the northern administrative region of Greece called Macedonia and gain access to the sea. Students in Macedonia's schools are also taught. It is clear, therefore, that Macedonia's demand to called permanently Macedonia aims to achieve the dream of "recovery" of Macedonian Greek land.

Macedonia and its governments have never hidden their intentions, as demonstrated by the huge statue of Alexander the Great, which the rulers set up in skopje's Central Square, the renaming of Skopje's airport at the Alexander Airport, the issue of a currency with White Tower of Thessaloniki (which stopped only when Greece imposed a commercial blockade on its border with Macedonia),

the introduction of articles in their regiment which entails rights throughout the territory of ancient Macedonia and the rather incomprehensible video with ratsistikoús tones

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Slav "Macedonian" Prayer - God created the "Macedonoids" - Hilarious FYROMian Propaganda

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It refers to their national purity and their great idea, which was aired by a macedonian government television station. In addition, last August, the Macedonian Consul-general in Toronto, Canada attended an event of " United Macedonian ", where " Macedonian pride " was proclaimed in front of a map showing their " home " and included Thessaloniki, other Territories of Greek Macedonia and Bulgaria's territories.

Similar events have been many times in the past with the participation and encouragement of government officials in Skopje. Besides, at the recent meeting between Greek foreign minister Nikos Kotzia and Macedonian Foreign Minister Nikola Dimitrov, the Macedonian Minister, while talking about peace and reconciliation between the two countries, said he was proud macedonian!

The purpose of this letter is not to explain that the history of ancient Macedonia is part of Greek history; this is known to anyone who has elementary historical knowledge.

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Hostility towards Greece, threatening Greece's territorial integrity and perpetuating the hostile climate through the education it provides to its children, Greece cannot accept the name Macedonia or any name includes the term Macedonia, because it will eventually remain only Term Macedonia, as Macedonia already mentions on international maps. Greece cannot vote in favour of the accession of skopje to NATO and the EU until the residents of this state choose a name which will not include the term "Macedonia".

We cannot overlook, on the contrary, it is worth highlighting the close ties that Macedonia is developing with Turkey (e.g.

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), the eastern neighbour of Greece, a country that causes Greece every day in violation of territorial waters and airspace. And challenging her sea borders. As it seems, the old saying 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend' is applied in this case, but these developments certainly do not help reassure Greece, and force it to make great defence costs out of its financial capacity. .

Everywhere does not have feelings of hostility or rivalry towards macedonians, despite wanting the peaceful and productive coexistence of the two peoples. At this point it is worth noting that Greece has made a decisive contribution to the development of Macedonia's economy and infrastructure. Greece expresses its sincere desire to consolidate mutual respect and to find a permanent political solution with its northern neighbour. But if it is accepted for Macedonia a permanent name including the term Macedonia, or this country is accepted in NATO by the name of Macedonia, not only will the problems be solved, but the friction between Greece, Macedonia and Other Balkan Countries and will destabilize the balkans.

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MACEDONIA IS GREECE

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Mikis Theodorakis Warns of Disaster if ‘Macedonia’ is Included in Compound Name

World renowned Greek composer Mikis Theodorakis expressed his opposition to any agreement with Skopje that would include the term ‘Macedonia’ in the compound name.

Theodorakis, regarded as a guru for the Left, said that there should be no derogation from the 1992 decision of political leaders which defined the Greek national line on the subject, according to which the term ‘Macedonia’ should not be part for the name of the former Yugoslav Republic.

In a statement he warned that “any retreat from this line will have disastrous results for the future of our country.”

“If we now retreat from our original position, we will be opening Pandora’s Box,” Theodorakis says.

“We must be vigilant to safeguard our national integrity, as there are strong international forces that want to break up the Balkan region. The case of Yugoslavia is fresh. The next victim will be our country, ” he warns.

His intervention came at a time when both Athens and Skopje expressed their optimism that the 26-year old dispute may be nearing a settlement.

A compound name for FYROM is being worked out that would satisfy both countries.

However, in both Greece and FYROM there are influential voices that resist a compromise.

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The name 'Macedonia': 2,300 years on, a warrior hero's spirit hovers over peace bid

Macedonia is poised to dispatch its foreign minister to Greece as speculation mounts that the two countries are moving towards settlement of the name dispute that has kept them at loggerheads for the past 27 years.

Signalling that a compromise is in the offing, Zoran Zaev, the Balkan state’s new Social Democrat leader, used his first official trip to Brussels on Monday to announce that a solution was possible. “I know that if we have friendly relations and a good approach then a solution is feasible,” he told reporters before talks between Macedonia’s foreign minister, Nikola Dimitrov, and his Greek counterpart, Nikos Kotzias, in Athens on Wednesday.

Zaev, whose investiture two weeks ago followed prolonged political turmoil in the former Yugoslav republic, said he wanted the small but strategic nation to joinNato and the EU “in the shortest possible time”. Macedonia, he suggested, could participate in both under the provisional name it currently uses at the UN – FYROM or the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. “We will try all possible measures to move Macedonia to membership,” said the pro-European prime minister standing alongside Nato’s secretary-general, Jens Stoltenberg.

The quest comes amid accusations of Russian interference across the Balkan region. The Macedonian government claims the meddling has made membership more vital. Stoltenberg underscored that position, saying Nato’s mission was to support all aspiring countries. “We want to see your country as part of a stable, democratic and prosperous region,” he said.

The long-running name row has been the single biggest impediment to Macedonia’s integration with the west. Greece, which vetoed the country joining Nato in 2008, has argued vehemently that its northern neighbour’s nomenclature conceals territorial ambitions over the eponymous Greek province that lies directly to the republic’s south. In nearly three decades of often bitter public exchanges, Athens has frequently accused the country of indulging in cultural theft, saying the predominantly Slavic state has deliberately appropriated symbols and heroic personalities from ancient Greek history to buttress its claim to the name.

But Zaev, who formed a government in coalition with parties representing the nation’s large ethnic Albanian minority, has taken a much more conciliatory approach. Last week the centre-left politician criticised his rightwing predecessor, Nikola Grueski, accusing him of provocations during the decade he held office by pushing ahead with a controversial statue and monument-building campaign that named a slew of public edifices after Alexander the Great.

In a television interview the new prime minister said the politics of antagonising Athens would be terminated immediately. “I can only say that the era of monuments, renaming of highways, airports, sports halls and stadiums with historical names ends,” said the leader whose lividly scarred forehead is testimony to the civil unrest that has gripped the mini-state. “We shall generate a politics of joint European future.” Zaev was injured when, in an orgy of violence,a pro-Grueski mob stormed parliament in April.

Any potential name change would be put to public plebiscite for approval. Mooted name changes have included adding geographic qualifiers such as “upper”, “new” or “northern” Macedonia.

In what was seen by Athens as a major compromise, Greece announced in 2007 that it would give its consent to a composite name in which the word Macedonia could feature. At the time the compromise was supported by Panos Kammenos, the leader of the small nationalist Independent Greeks party currently in power with prime minister Alexis Tsipras’s leftist Syriza party.

Since then, emotions have abated as a sense of realpolitik in both countries has taken root. While Zaev believes membership of Euro-Atlantic bodies will help stabilise his ethnically fractious nation, debt-stricken Greece also sees a solution as bolstering its crisis-wracked economy in the Balkan peninsular.

“It is very important that Greece settles this dispute if it is to play an important role in the Balkans,” said Dimitris Keridis, professor of political science at Athens’s Panteion University. “Our neighbour is suffering from very deep internal divisions with the new government believing that the only way to stabilise it is to make the country part of the Euro-Atlantic architecture,” he told the Guardian. “Clearly it is willing to reach a compromise with Greece to achieve this, a compromise that after years of being able to hide behind Grueski’s intransigence is going to put Greek diplomacy on the spot.”

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Ancient Macedonia: The Truth

Pictures, evidences, archaeological proofs, inscriptions. Ancient Macedonians were a Greek tribe having common and similar way of living and culture with the rest Greek city - states. Macedonia is part of Greece' s national inheritance and no one can steal it.

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The expansion of ancient Macedonian kingdom up to the death of Phillip II.

Stag Hunt Mosaic, 4th century BC

Macedonian coin, stating in Greek: "ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ"

(in English: "ALEXANDER'S")

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Dorothy King about Macedonia Ancient Macedonians and FYROM

ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΟΙ ΕΛΛΗΝΕΣ

Published on Jan 11, 2018

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The Macedonians were Greeks by Donald Kagan.

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Published on May 11, 2013

Donald Kagan, historian at Yale university talking about ancient Macedonians.

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It is quite clear that Tito invented the name Macedonia.

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Published on Jun 23, 2011

It is quite clear that Tito invented the name Macedonia.

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"The creation of the "Macedonian" nation, for almost half of a century, was done in a condition of single-party dictatorship. In those times, there was no difference between science and ideology, so the "Macedonian" historiography, unopposed by anybody, comfortably performed a selection of the historic material from which the "Macedonian" identity was created.

There is nothing atypical here for the process of the creation of any modern nation, except when falsification from the type of substitution of the word "Bulgarian" with the word "Macedonian" were made".

(Denko Maleski, Minister of foreign affairs of the FYROM from 1991 to 1993 in an interview to FYROM newspaper Utrinski Vesnik October 16, 2006)

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"The treatment of "Macedonian" history has the same primary goal as the creation of the "Macedonian" language: to de-Bulgarize the Macedonians and create a separate national consciousness."

(Palmer & King, Yugoslav Communism and the Macedonian Question, 1971, excerpts taken from Chapter 9 "The Encouragement of Macedonian Culture")

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Balkanologist Vladimir Sis about Slavic Macedonians: Apr 28 2008

Prof. Dr Ivan-17.10.1997

Language, Linguistics

It [PseudoMacedonian language] was not created by natural means, as all other languages in the world, but was created by political circumstances. It is an absurd, that it was created on a certain date - namely August 2nd, 1944, and at certain place- the monastery Prohor Pchinski, with a degree, Such an event has not happened to any other language in the world.

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Vardarska Badovina In Rare Stamps

Vardarska Banovina, is the name that today's FYROM was officially known, as well as regions of Serbia in the 1929-1941 period.

Athena Korlira | 16 Nov. 14 (09:40)

The American archaeologist that lives in London, Dorothy King, in an interview with “Ethnos Tis Kyriakis” newspaper, says that new revelations frm the Amphipolis tomb will soon be made and characterizes the Skopje claims as “ridiculous”.

“The Macedonians invaded and conquered Skopje, but Alexander conquered Iran and Afghanistan as well. None of these two other countries ever claimed to be Macedonia,” King says and adds “Amphipolis is in Macedonia, Vergina is in Macedonia and Macedonia is in Greece. To claim the opposite is so ridiculous. It is like saying that Jesus went to America..”

“I have been wondering for a while whether Hephaestion could also have been buried at Amphipolis. The size to me makes people like Nearchos unlikely, and whilst the idea that it was built for Alexander the Great is still the most likely possibility now that most other suggestions have been discarded, the one other possibility has been Hephaestion,” Dorothy King mentions at her blog and reconfirmed at her “Ethnos tis Kyriakis” interview.

Hephaestion died before Alexander, and Alexander ordered his body returned to Macedonia in an elaborate funerary cortege to be buried in a magnificent tomb there. We know that if the tomb had been started, Perdiccas cancelled work on it once Alexander died, she adds.

So that's why I think that if the bones are male, they are most likely to be those of someone like Hephaestion.

Again the importance of the person or people for whom the tomb was built is emphasized by the size "The burial complex on the hill castes was a public project, built using the largest amount used marble ever used in Macedonia," King concludes.

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Stephen Miller: FYROM Is Practicing Virtual History; Macedonia Was and Is Greek

In 1992, following the division of Yugoslavia into five states, southern Serbia (FYROM) adopted the name Macedonia, claiming that its people are descendants of ancient Macedonia. But the claim did not stop there. It extended much further into the realm of historical distortion by delinking ancient Macedonia from ancient Greece and portraying Macedonians as Slavs, even if the latter appear much later on the scene (as one other group among “barbarians”) and are first mentioned as an ethnic group by Byzantine authors.

Naturally, Greece has objected to the use of the name Macedonia by its northern neighbor, and the issue remains unresolved although the rest of the world (including some high-minded Greek leftists!) seems to be using freely the term Macedonia instead of FYROM.

Nonetheless, history and scholarship is clearly on the side of Greece, as Professor Stephen Miller from the University of California and one of the world’s leading archaeology scholars reminds us in a recent exchange over the contentious issue of the use of the name Macedonia by a nation whose people are Slavic.

Interview with Greek Reporter’s C.J. Polychroniou:

The northern province of Greece has been called Macedonia for about 3,000 years. We also know that Macedonians were Greek and that, in fact, Alexander the Great considered himself to be a descendant of Achilles and Hercules. Is there any doubt about these historical facts?

There was a time in a previous generation when some doubted, for example, that the Macedonians were Greek, but the evidence has become too massive to allow such doubt. Look at the articles by many different scholars at

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Even so, some continue to argue that Macedonians were not Greeks but Slavs, even if the latter do not appear on the stage of history until 1,500 years after the use of the name Macedonia. However, Macedonia was also the home of the Greek gods. How realistic is it that Greeks would have worshiped gods who lived in allegedly “foreign territories?”

Stephen Miller: No – it is not realistic, and the so-called “foreign territories” were then and are now Greek.

Please, allow me to pursue this a bit further. The brutal destruction of Persepolis by Alexander the Great has been attributed to revenge for the destruction of Greek cities and temples, including the Parthenon, by the Persian ruler Xerxes. Ancient sources tells us that a beautiful Greek harlot convinced Alexander to engage in this barbarous act while he was, as usually, highly intoxicated. Would he have taken revenge in such a manner if he did not identify himself as Greek?

Please look at Q&As on the site I mentioned earlier. First, there was no Macedonian language distinct from Greek, and Alexander certainly identified himself as Greek. And do you suppose that his tutor, Aristotle, gave him lessons in Slavic?

Yugoslavian communist leader Tito was the one who gave South Serbia the name Macedonia and sought to rewrite history by portraying Slavs as Macedonians. Is there any archaeological evidence of slav Macedonia?

The problem enters with the Romans who established an administrative province of Macedonia which included the territory previously known as Paionia. See the “Letter to Obama” at

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When the Slavs entered the Balkans in the 6th century after Christ, they took over an artificial Macedonia. Since then, it has been possible to justify a Slavic Macedonia which would be the equivalent of FYROM, but there is absolutely no ancient basis for such a country.

Tito’s goal was to annex the real Macedonia and thus have access to the Aegean, and that is why school children in Skopje are provided with maps that show the “real Macedonia” extending to Mt. Olympus. You surely know the statement by U.S. Secretary of State, Edward S. Stettinius, in 1944 ” . . . this government considers the talk of a Macedonian ‘nation,’ Macedonian ‘fatherland,’ or Macedonian “national consciousness” to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic or political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive actions against Greece.”

I am not competent to speak to the issue of archaeological evidence for a Slav Macedonia, but I am sure that there is evidence of Slavs in “Macedonia” as of about 580 A.D. Here at Nemea

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we have clear evidence and it also exists at, for example, Athens and Corinth and Argos) of the Slavic invasions of ca. A.D. 580. Does that mean that I should think of “Slavic Nemea”? But there is a difference — the Slavs went through Nemea, but they stayed and set up their homes in Serbia.

What are the archaeological origins of Skopje?

I do not know the archaeological origins of Skopje. But one might look at the site of Stobi which was an important center during the Roman period, and has many remains of Christian – Orthodox churches. “Avaro-Slavic invasions in the 6th century ruined the city’s economy and infrastructure.” In other words, the arrival of the Slavs in ancient Paionoia (= FYROM) was a sharp and clear break with the past. Any claim to connections with Macedonia before the 6th century after Christ are without foundation. Indeed, they are lies.

In your view, why are the government and the people of FYROM, distinctly of slav origin and background, so bent on identifying themselves as Macedonians?

Stephen Miller: It has to do with territorial claims, as I indicated earlier. But I would like to add more specifically this:

(1) the original goal of annexation of the real Macedonia for purposes of access to the Aegean are still at the base of the “Macedonian” efforts. See, for example, the coffee that is sold in Skopje under the label of “Pella.” Where is Pella located? And why is there a sailing ship as the logo of that coffee? The implications are clear.

(2) More fundamental and more difficult to deal with is the issue of stolen identity. The people – I do not know them but I imagine – want an identity. We all do. Theirs is stolen, and they know it, but they cannot give up Alexander and replace him withPatraos, one of the kings of Paionia who is a part of their real heritage, their real identity. If you live with a stolen identity, you have problems which often take the form of aggressive defensiveness. I believe that the people of Skopje need Education, and a willingness to be proud of the ancestors who are actually theirs. But they are not unique in that need.

Should Greece give up on its refusal to accept Skopje as Macedonia?

I am an archaeologist and, therefore, an ancient historian. If Greece accepts “Macedonia” does that mean that I have to accept a non-Greek Alexander? For the sake of historical accuracy, it must be understood that Macedonia was and is Greek. I am not certain if the equivalent of New York, and New Jersey, and New Hampshire, would solve the “sense of identity problem,” especially since York and Jersey and Hampshire do not border those states, but perhaps a “New Macedonia,” or perhaps even better and more descriptive and historically accurate Slavic Macedonia” would be acceptable. But best of all, for this archaeologist, would be “Paionia.”

Sorry to go on so much, but I have to defend historical accuracy if my profession is to have any value. Virtual history — which FYROM is practicing — leaves us floating without a compass.

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The population of F.Y.R.O.M. ( FYROM ) - the FYROMians - is an amorphous Slavic mass without a developed national consciousness.

What stood behind the difficulties to properly define the nationality of the Slavic population of F.Y.R.O.M. was the apparent levity with which this population regarded it. The existence of a separate national consciousness prior to the 1940s is disputed. This confusion is illustrated by Robert Newman in 1935, who recounts discovering in a village two brothers, one who considered himself a Serb, and the other considered himself a Bulgarian. In another village he met a man who had been, "a peasant all his life", but who had varyingly been called a Turk, a Serb and a Bulgarian. However anti-Serb and pro-Bulgarian feelings among the local population at this period prevailed.

Nationality in early-20th-century was a matter of political convictions and financial benefits, of what was considered politically correct at the specific time and of which armed guerrilla group happened to visit the respondent's home last. The process of Hellenization at the end of the 18th and the beginning of the 19th century affected only a limited stratum of the population, the Bulgarian Revival in the middle of the 19th century was too short to form a solid Bulgarian consciousness, the financial benefits given by the Serbian propaganda were too tempting to be declined. It was not a rare occurrence for whole villages to switch their nationality from Greek to Bulgarian and then to Serbian within a few years or to be Bulgarian in the presence of a Bulgarian commercial agent and Serbian in the presence of a Serbian consul. On several occasions peasants were reported to have answered in the affirmative when asked if they were Bulgarians and again in the affirmative when asked if they were Serbs. Though this certainly cannot be valid for the whole population, many Russian and Western diplomats and travelers defined the FYROMians as lacking a "proper" national consciousness.

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FRYOM is Bulgaria. FYROMians are Bulgarians brainwashed to hate Bulgaria and to think they're a separate ethnic group. THEY'RE NOT! They speak a dialect of Bulgarian! THEY ARE SLAVS, THEY ARE BULGARIANS! Alexander the Great was GREEK!! Tsar Samuel was BULGARIAN!!!

FYROM should be called "Western Bulgaria", not Macedonia. They are slavs, ancient macedonia was a greek kingdom and they were not slavs.

Slavs and Albanians should feel proud for their origin no need to steal anything ,,,History and names ... PS they will soon rename the Airport "Maria Tereza" and will remove the fake statue of Alexander the Great.

LONG LIVE TITO .HE VAPTAISED THEM MAKEDONIANS, POOR SOUTHSLAVIC NATION!!

It would be more accurate as F.Y.R.O.Mongolia

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Alexander the Great,

Aristotle, a philosopher from the Macedonian town of Stageira, tutoring young Alexander in the Royal Palace of Pella. The Macedonian Kings often sought the best education possible for their heirs. Artwork by Jean Leon Gerome Ferris.

Alexander (left), wearing a kausia and fighting an Asiatic lion with his friend Craterus (detail); late 4th century BC mosaic,[140] Archaeological Museum of Pella, Macedonia

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! Herodotus, The Histories, Book 9, chapter 45

Hearing that, the generals straightway went with the men to the outposts. When they had come, Alexander said to them: “Men of Athens, I give you this message in trust as a secret which you must reveal to no one but Pausanias, or else you will be responsible for my undoing. In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Hellas; [2] I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Hellas change her freedom for slavery. I tell you, then, that Mardonius and his army cannot get omens to his liking from the sacrifices. Otherwise you would have fought long before this. Now, however, it is his purpose to pay no heed to the sacrifices, and to attack at the first glimmer of dawn, for he fears, as I surmise, that your numbers will become still greater. Therefore, I urge you to prepare, and if (as may be) Mardonius should delay and not attack, wait patiently where you are; for he has but a few days' provisions left. [3] If, however, this war ends as you wish, then must you take thought how to save me too from slavery, who have done so desperate a deed as this for the sake of Hellas in my desire to declare to you Mardonius' intent so that the barbarians may not attack you suddenly before you yet expect them. I who speak am Alexander the Macedonian.” With that he rode away back to the camp and his own station there.

Herodotus, with an English translation by A. D. Godley. Cambridge. Harvard University Press. 1920.

The Annenberg CPB/Project provided support for entering this text.

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Alexander the Great said (authentic quotes with references): "Your ancestors came to Macedonia and the rest of Greece and did us great harm, though we had done them no prior injury. I have been appointed leader of the Greeks, and wanting to punish the Persians I have come to Asia, which I took from you." (in a letter to king Darius III of Persia in response to a truce plea, as quoted in "Anabasis Alexandri" by Arrian, translated by P. A. Brunt for the "Loeb Edition", Book II, 14, 4)"Our enemies are Medes and Persians, men who for centuries have lived soft and luxurious lives; we of Macedon for generations past have been trained in the hard school of danger and war. Above all, we are free men, and they are slaves. There are Greek troops, to be sure, in Persian service — but how different is their cause from ours! They will be fighting for pay — and not much of at that; we, on the contrary, shall fight for Greece, and our hearts will be in it." (talking to the troops before the battle of Issus, as quoted by Arrian in “Anabasis - the Campaigns of Alexander”, Book 2, Chapter 7, Penguin Classics, translated by Aubrey De Seliucourt, p. 112)"Holy shadows of the dead, I’m not to blame for your cruel and bitter fate, but the accursed rivalry which brought sister nations and brother people, to fight one another. I do not feel happy for this victory of mine. On the contrary, I would be glad, brothers, if I had all of you standing here next to me, since we are united by the same language, the same blood and the same visions." (addressing the dead Athenian and Theban Greeks of the Battle of Chaeronea, as quoted in "Historiae Alexandri Magni" by Quintus Curtius Rufus, 6.3.11)"Youths of the Pellaeans and of the Macedonians and of the Greek Amphictiony and of the Lacedaemonians and of the Corinthians … and of all the Greek peoples, join your fellow-soldiers and entrust yourselves to me, so that we can move against the barbarians and liberate ourselves from the Persian bondage, for as Greeks we should not be slaves to barbarians." (quoted in "Historia Alexandri Magni" by Pseudo-Kallisthenes, 1.15.1-4)

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· He was still in a world of Greek gods and sacrifices, of Greek plays and Greek language,though the natives might speak Greek with a northern accent which hardened 'ch' into 'g','th' into 'd' and pronounced King Philip as Bilip.

· p.30

· Philip's mother had been a Lyncestian noblewoman" - "rebellious kings of Lyncestis who traced their origins to the notorious Bacchiad kings of Greek Corinth.

· p.32

· Olympia's royal ancestry traced back to the hero Achilles, and the blood of Helen of Troy was believed to run on her father's side.

· p.44

· The Macedonian kings, who maintained that their Greek ancestry traced back to Zeus, had long given homes and patronage to Greece's most distinguished artists.

· p.48

· But Alexander was stressing his link with Achilles... Achilles was also a stirring Greek hero, useful for a Macedonian king whose Greek ancestry did not stop Greeks from calling him a barbarian.

· p.60

· No man, and only one hero, had been called invincible before him, and then only by a poet, but the hero was Heracles, ancestor of the Macedonian kings.

· p.71

· "War", Philip had announced, "was being declared against the Persians on behalf of the Greeks, to punish the barbarians for their lawless treatment of the old Greek temples".

· p.92

· Among the conservative Greek opinion there would be no regrets that Alexander the Greek leader was invading the barbarians.

· p.101

· To his ancestors (to a Persian's ancestors) Macedonians were only known as 'yona takabara', the 'Greeks who wear shields on their heads', an allusion to their broad-brimmed hats.

· p.104

· As for the hired Greeks in Persian service, thousands of the dead were to be buried, but the prisoners were bound in fetters and sent to hard labour in Macedonia, 'because they had fought as Greeks against Greeks, on behalf of barbarians, contrary to the common decrees of the Greek allies.

· p.123

· Alexander son of Philip and the Greeks, except the Spartans..., as Sparta did not consider it to be her fathers' practice to follow, but to lead.

· p.123

· In spirit, Alexander made a gesture to the Lydians' sensitivities, though his Greek crusade owed them nothing as they were not Greeks.

· p.128

· Alexander was not the first Greek to be honoured as a god for political favour...

· p.131

· Alexander was recognized as a son of Zeus after his visit.

· p.201

· It was the Delphi of the Greek East and as a Hellene, not as Pharaoh, Alexander would be curious...

· p.204

· Supported the belief that he was the Greek gos Zeus's son.

· p.214

· When his Macedonians mutinied at the end of their marching, they were said to have ridiculed him and told him to 'go fight alone with his father', meaning Zeus, not Philip.

· p.216

· The occasion was not lost on Alexander: at Susa, he sacrificed to Greek gods and held Greek gymnastic games...

· p.253

· In return he left behind Darius's mother, daughters and the son whom he had captured at Issus, and appointed teachers to teach them the Greek language.

· p.254

· Alexander was still the Greek avenger of Persian sacrilege who told his troops, it was said 'that Persepolis was the most hateful city in the world'. On the road there, he met with the families of Greeks who had deported to Persia by previous kings, and true to his slogan, he honoured them conspicuously, giving them money, five changes of clothing, farm animals, corn, a free passage home, and exemption from taxes and bureaucratic harassments.

· p.256

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Macedonia is a geographic and historical region of Greece in the southern Balkans. Macedonia is the largest and second most populous Greek region, dominated by mountains in the interior and the port cities of Thessaloniki (or Salonika) and Kavala on its southern coastline. Macedonia is part of Northern Greece The Macedonians (Greek: Μακεδόνες, Makedónes) were an ancient tribe that lived on the alluvial plain around the rivers Haliacmon and lower Axios in the northeastern part of the Greek peninsula. Essentially an ancient Greek people,they gradually expanded from their homeland along the Haliacmon valley on the northern edge of the Greek world, absorbing or driving out neighbouring tribes, primarily Thracian and Illyrian. Although composed of various clans, the Kingdom of Macedon established around the 8th century BC is mostly associated with the Argead dynasty, and the tribe named after it. Traditionally ruled by independent families, the Macedonians seem to have accepted Argead rule by the time of King Alexander I 498–454 BC. The Argead dynasty (Greek: Ἀργεάδαι) was an ancient Greek royal house. They were the ruling dynasty of Macedon from about 700 to 310 BC. Their tradition, as described in ancient Greek historiography, traced their origins to Argos, in southern Greece, hence the name Argeads or Argives. Initially, the rulers of the homonymous tribe, by the time of Philip II they had expanded their reign further, to include under the rule of Macedonia all Upper Macedonian states. The family's most celebrated members were Philip II of Macedonia and Alexander the Great, under whose leadership the kingdom of Macedonia gradually gained predominance throughout Greece, defeated the Achaemenid Empire and expanded as far as Egypt and India. The mythical founder of the Argead dynasty is King Caranus. Caranus or Karanos (Greek: Κάρανος) was the first king of the ancient kingdom of Macedon. Caranus was the son of Temenus, king of Argos, who in turn was a Heraclid, a descendant of Heracles. Plutarch agrees on the Heraclid lineage of Caranus and argues that Alexander the Great is a descendant of Heracles through Caranus.Temenus, along with Cresphontes and Aristodemus were the three Doric leaders who invaded the Mycenean Peloponnese region. Then they proceeded to divide the conquered territories between them. Cresphontes was given Messenia and Sparta Aristodemus took Laconia and finally Temenus was given Argos. Following the death of Temenus, the princes argued about who should be king. One of them, Pheidon, defeated his brothers in battle and took over the kingship. Caranus then decided to find another kingdom of his own, where he could be king. First, however he went to the Oracle of Delphi to ask Pythia's advice. "You should find your kingdom there, where you will find plenty of game and domestic animals, she advised." Thus Caranus and his entourage moved to the North, in search of suitable land to establish his new kingdom. Finally, he discovered a green valley, with a lot of game and goats, whereupon he thought that the prophecy of Pythia had been fulfilled. Thus he built a city there, which he named Aigai (Greek: Αἰγαί), present day Vergina, a site of substantial archaeological activity, as numerous important findings have been unearthed

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonians

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonia_(Greece)

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"The northern province of Greece has been called Macedonia for about 3,000 years. We also know that Macedonians were Greek and that, in fact, Alexander the Great considered himself to be a descendant of Achilles and Hercules. Is there any doubt about these historical facts? Even so, some continue to argue that Macedonians were not Greeks but Slavs, even if the latter do not appear on the stage of history until 1,500 years after the use of the name Macedonia. However, Macedonia was also the home of the Greek gods. How realistic is it that Greeks would have worshiped gods who lived in allegedly “foreign territories?” Please, allow me to pursue this a bit further. The brutal destruction of Persepolis by Alexander the Great has been attributed to revenge for the destruction of Greek cities and temples, including the Parthenon, by the Persian ruler Xerxes. Ancient sources tells us that a beautiful Greek harlot convinced Alexander to engage in this barbarous act while he was, as usually, highly intoxicated. Would he have taken revenge in such a manner if he did not identify himself as Greek? Yugoslavian communist leader Tito was the one who gave South Serbia the name Macedonia and sought to rewrite history by portraying Slavs as Macedonians. Is there any archaeological evidence of slav Macedonia? " Stephen Miller Professor emeritus of Classical Archaeology A.B. 1964 Wabash College Ph.D. 1970 Princeton University src:

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You => F.Y.R.O.M Macedonia has and is Greek! You are Paeonias but Slavicized! In Paionian has thraco-illyrian settlements! That later on Macedonians conquered! And that's you became part of Greece! after that YOU Slavicized! You can't lie to yourself for so long, before you start contradicting yourself ! The more you government claims, to Macedonian descent, the more you find yourself as Greek ! You either acknowledge you are Paeonians and stand beside us as free and new independent nation! Or perish by the hands of Albanians and Bulgarians (in the context of claims and independence). If you want to know about you truth origin, don't hesitate to ask.

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all fyrom users say that macedonia is not greek... say that for a moment i agree with this (which i dont). why are u people always comparing achient macedonia with modern greece? why not compare it with ancient greece (hellenic)?

facts:

1.ancient greece was an area of city states (athens, sparta, thibes, macedonia, etc)

2.same language and alphabet

3.war always between them

4.common enemy (asia today persia in ancient time)

5.sparta once ruled most city states (so why dont we call ourselves spartans?)

6.thebes once ruled most city states (so why dont we call ourselves thebians?)

7.athens once ruled most city states (so why dont we call ourselves athenians?)

8.macedonia once ruled most city states (so why dont we call ourselves macedonians?)

9.your race came to the area late in the 600th centuary (during ther byzantian empire so why dont u call yourselfs byzantians or ourselves for that matter?)

10.your language has nothing in common with the macedonian language

11.can u please provide any historical items (besides ancient macedonian) that shows any historical ties to ancient macedonia (say last 1000 year!)? no u cant because they don’t exist.

12. many many more

if u compare ancient city state of the area with the ancient macedonia state, then we can all conclude without any doubt that we are talking about the same people. if we do this with the ancient minoans for example, we can see that they are not the same, thus the ancient greeks where not minoans. they only tought parts of they architecture, just like the roman tought from ancient Greece and so on.

conclusion:

If we compare the ancient city states for the today occupied greece with the ancient macedonia city state we reallize they are of the same people and if we continue to compare the modern Greece with the ancient Greece we reallize they are of the same decent. COMPARE YOURSELVES IN THE SAME ORDER AND PLEASE TELL ME WHERE IS THE SIMILARATY thnx

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We Greeks never consider ourselves as a superior people, but: WE are against naming our slavic neighbour, with the greek name of Macedonia, which is part of our greek history.

- 1st/ Macedonia is Greece and Greece is Macedonia, in the language of the Evangile (although Greece includes other areas, too). Apostole Paul was invited to Macedonia to help " Macedonians" , in the same line as Jesus Christ Himself has said about Greeks, who were asking to see Him, that " Now has come the time for the Son of Gοd, to be glorified" . Glorified by greeks that is, and their acceptance of Jesus Christ. In the same text of the New Testament, it is said that, after the Apostles have crossed the sea and come to Macedonia, they decided to go around in Greece, which Greece is the towns of Macedonia such as Veroia, Philippoi, etc.

- 2nd/ Let me underline that, it is not us Greeks who have undergone a propaganda education, since we have never been under a communist or other ideological propagmada mecanism. Since our liberation of our South Greece, after 1821-1818, we have lived free from any ideological condiotionning. On the contrary, it is Skopians the FAKE " Macedonians" , who have been under propaganda education since 1944.

- 3rd/ Macedonians are part of our greek population, in the northern part of Greece.

- 4th/ Macedonian language means greek language, historically speaking, since there has never been a macedonian language separate from the greek language.

-5th/ FAKE MACEDONIA, in the south end of ex-Serbia, has a fake " macedonian language" , spoken by a non macedonian people, the slavs of the region, who claim to be direct descendents of Alexander the great!!!

- 6th/ This inconsistent story, or propaganda joke, that there is a second Macedonia, which should become more real than the true Macedonia, and should replace true Macedonia and its Greek people, who are the true Macedonians, has lasted too long, for 60 years now: In 1944, it was the communist regime of Tito, which has promoted " Macedonia" as a name for the southern Yugoslavian member-state of Yugoslavia. Greece has postponed reactions, due to U.S. interventions aiming at Tito's taking distance from Stalin.

- 7th/ Never the GREEK people of Macedonia, nor the rest of the Greek peolple have been asked, about the usurpation of the unique Greek-macedonian history, by our northern neighbour area.

- 8th/ Receivers of a stolen history never reduce the historical property rights of the Greek owners.

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NEWS 16 NOV 13

Macedonians Give 'Skopje 2014' Thumbs Down

A majority of Macedonians do not approve of the government-sponsored revamp of the capital, “Skopje 2014”, a recent poll shows.

Sinisa Jakov Marusic BIRN Skopje

Most Macedonians do not like the chosen artistic styles of the Skopje makeover, disapprove of the price and would not like it to continue, a survey by the Institute of Social Sciences and Humanities Skopje, ISSHS, a local research institution, says.

The survey, carried out in September is part of a wider policy analysis called "Who owns Alexander the Great?": A Question Upon Which EU Enlargement Relies," which is studying the Skopje revamp plan in the context of the ongoing “name” dispute between Macedonia and Greece.

“According to the results of our poll, 73 per cent out of the entire population, and 66.5 percent out of the ethnic Macedonian majority, believe the project should not continue,” the Institute says in its conclusions.

It adds that “disapproval is expressly linked with the financial aspect of the Project, seen as overly costly for a state which is at the bottom of economic prosperity in Europe in spite of its positive macroeconomic trends”.

The poll shows that only 24 per cent of the respondents like the appearance of the buildings and monuments that form the project, while 22 per cent partially like it. Another 45 per cent of the respondents said they do not like it.

“If the Project's aim is to ameliorate the sense of frustration by the indefinitely prolonged [EU and NATO] accession process… it evidently does not succeed in doing so,” the ISSHS says.

Drawing inspiration from the architectural styles of Classical Antiquity, the project that was luanched in 2010 envisages the construction of more than 20 buildings, including, museums, theatres, concert halls, hotels and offices.

Many more bronze and marble statues are also being erected to adorn the surroundings, including a triumphal arch, some 15 equestrian statues and a memorial complex dedicated to fallen heroes.

The piece-de-resistance is a 22-metre-high bronze equestrian statue of the Ancient warrior, Alexander the Great, standing on top of a white marble fountain in Skopje’s central square.

A similarly-sized statue of Alexander’s father, Philip of Macedon, is placed opposite the square on the far bank of the Vardar River.

Greece has already objected to the erection of monuments dedicated to Alexander and Philip, seeing them as an exclusive part of its own Hellenic heritage.

According to the accompanying ISSHS analysis, the focus of the government’s ambitious project is to establish the era of Antiquity as the cultural and historic basis of Macedonia's modern identity.

But “project's narrative seems to be at odds with the governing perception of the matter measured nationwide through the poll”, the Institute adds.

The poll shows that only 5.8 per cent of the entire population, and only 7.6 per cent of ethnic Macedonians attach much importance to the period of Antiquity for the formation of the Macedonian identity.

As opposed to this, the Medieval period of Orthodox Slavic Christianity is the defining historic period for 20 per cent of people.

The more recent past, since the country gained independence from Yugoslavia in the 1990s, is the defining period for another 20 per cent of the respondents.

Another 17 per cent mentioned the period of Socialism in federal Yugoslavia while almost 14 per cent said the key era was at the turn of 20th century struggle, during the time of the Macedonian struggle for liberation from the Ottoman Empire.

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I was finally able to understand why the people of Disneyland are unable to appreciate and cherish this opulent gift by the Gruchoid administration to them. They are simply stupid!

Let me explain. There has been a study since 2009 which has proven that embryos which are developing in a polluted environment might grow up with a mental deficiency of up to 5 points of IQ:

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http://www.ewg.org/kid-safe...

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We all know the high levels of pollution in Uskup, not to mention the whole tatkovina (acidification champion on planet earth) and this is the price people pay: They fail to understand the magnificence of their leader.

Of course the eternal leader of his people bares some responsibility for the damage: Instead of trying to clean the atmosphere, he builds statues. Unfortunately, the job of cleaning the air is much more difficult than that of building monuments, jobs can be lost if the industry is forced to either modernize of shut down, while the creation of bronze warriors creates jobs instead - at least in Italy where the statues are being cast - and above all, the people would be ungrateful to their eternal leader if he did what they really need, while now he has at least some support for his actions (not much, but enough to get him elected again) because the people are unable to sort out their true priorities because they are stupid because they were born under the effects of pollution.

Nevertheless, this whole pollution also has a beneficial aspect: It does not allow the opponents of the eternal leader of his people to grow enough brain to oppose him. Too bad that some Grkomans from Strumica have posed their Grkoman candidate for leader, and isn't as much dumb as his predecessor...

Oh, holy crap, Nikola was actually born in Uskup... And he grew up in a middle class family, which is the equivalent of poor for the standards of New York, the site of the initial experiment. Houston, we have a problem !!!

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I would love to come and see Skop Vegas...an exhibition of European culture from antiquity to the present!

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project Skopje 2014 - F.Y.R.O.M. ( FYROM ) : Behind the Facade

People & Power investigates whether rising ethnic tensions in F.Y.R.O.M. ( FYROM ) could result in civil conflict.

18 Mar 2015 17:32 GMT Politics, F.Y.R.O.M. ( FYROM ), Europe, Yugoslavia