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12:26 PM on 03/07/2013
Thank you Mr. Winograd. You are a savior to animals.
Marasy: Thank you Mr. Winograd. You are a savior to animals.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Marasy/peta-aspca-hsus-shelters_b_2696911_235283232.html
10:25 PM on 03/02/2013
I'm glad there are organizations that are there to improve conditions for animals. Too bad states like Delaware don't have real animal care standards and inspections to ensure animal safety and welfare.
"The shelter recently received a grant from the Humane Society to help dismantle the gas chamber. That is an effort that is under way now that the proper DEA licensing has been received."
del_Jake: I'm glad there are organizations that are there to improve
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06:15 PM on 03/03/2013
When the shelter switches to the needle, will HSUS provide free euthanasia training? Will HSUS charge the shelter the ususal $19.95 for their (popular with Kill shelters) "HSUS Euthanasia Training Manual"? How about their $399.00 Euthanasia Video and CD Rom set? Will they get the 10% Shelter Partners discount?
After reading Nathan Winograd's article and as many of the comments as possible, I say:
Game, Set, and Match: Mr. Winograd
LousyWithLove: When the shelter switches to the needle, will HSUS provide
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03:22 AM on 03/05/2013
Sorry Jacob J, per usual, your post is totally out of context and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!?!?
Hp_Morgan: Sorry Jacob J, per usual, your post is totally out
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06:35 PM on 03/01/2013
One of the ways that the ASPCA has helped the Miami animals is that they gave grants to help them create a safe and responsible transfer program. Unfortunately, this dog in the link below was not sent through that program. Instead she was moved through a for profit kennel that No Kill Nation loaned over $250,000 as a private mortgage. The dog ended up dead to the rescue involved not being involved in the care of the dog and allowing people on Facebook and the for profit kennel to make the decisions. https://www.facebook.com/notes/wendys-rescue/rip-shine-on-important-information-for-all-involved-in-rescue/545766705443809?comment_id=86945109¬if_t=note_reply
project52: One of the ways that the ASPCA has helped the
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12:10 PM on 02/27/2013
Having been part of a serious group of volunteers at a kill shelter, I learned that people can get used to situations they really shouldn’t get used to and, having gotten used to terrible situations, they can be incredibly resistant to change. Participating directly or indirectly in the killing of vibrant, healthy cats and dogs does not come naturally to any normal human being. But once a person has become invested in a system that sponsors that killing, they are highly unlikely to be receptive to any suggestion that the killing has been unnecessary. I and the other volunteers were constantly amazed that our very reasonable practical offers as a group and individually to help save more of the animals were met with either indifference or hostility.
Just as we were about to explore establishing an alternative shelter, the board began to listen. Somehow, Nathan Winograd’s application to replace the shelter’s director was approved. From literally the moment he walked through the front door, the killing stopped and the shelter became the first open admission no-kill shelter in the country.
Much of his criticism of the HSUS and ASPCA is, I believe, quite legitimate. They seem to have simply lost the will to change, and sheer will has a lot to do with no-kill work. Nathan can be a tough man to work with sometimes but no one, and I do mean no one, is more determined to save lives.
Brian_Gold: Having been part of a serious group of volunteers at
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12:24 AM on 02/26/2013
This world is full of lost souls, wandering, stumbling, sleepwalking through the night, and they remain asleep even when the night turns into the light of day.
What kind of world is this when the self proclaimed "ethical" beings among us, unethically murder pets?
What kind of world is this, when the self proclaimed "humane" beings among us, inhumanely rape pets of their very lives, despite life saving alternatives?
What kind of world do we live in, when the self proclaimed "cruelty prevention" societies among us, actually ENGAGE in and add to the cruelty in the world, by cruelly taking a healthy, savable living soul's physical life away from them?
What kind of world do we live in, when self proclaimed "animal rescue" groups murder the very animals whom they claim to "rescue"?
What kind of world do we live in, when murderers develop a cult following, and those cult followers defend the mass murder of pets in "shelters", while erroneously calling themselves "animal lovers"?
What kind of world do we live in, when pet "shelters", are THE biggest threats that pets need to be sheltered FROM?
Would anyone support a "Children's shelter" that murdered children?
Would anyone support a "Battered wives shelter" that murdered battered wives?
You fraudulent "pet lovers" and "animal lovers" who SUPPORT the killing of animals who you *claim* to "love", are part of the killing problem, instead of being part of the no kill solution like any genuine pet lover/animal lover is.
SiameseCatTwins: This world is full of lost souls, wandering, stumbling, sleepwalking
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09:21 PM on 02/25/2013
This must be changed -- animals must be protected and treated properly and respected -- I strongly believe that if we all pulled in this direction, the changes that Nathan proposes can be a reality everywhere. Thank you Nathan for bringing these facts to light -- we must implement the changes so the animals are the priority and are the ones who benefit.
Mariya_Smet: This must be changed -- animals must be protected and
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08:42 PM on 02/25/2013
In short a No Kill Nation is having to stand alone because the large groups refused to stand with them. Why not stand with them is what I wrote and asked all the orgs. when I first learned about this. At least PETA did have the decency to respond. Though I do not agree with them that there are unadoptable animals,,, just poor promoters. You write and ask them why they refuse to stand with a No Kill Nation. I stand with a No Kill Nation on this issue.
Kathy_Chadwell: In short a No Kill Nation is having to stand
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03:12 PM on 02/25/2013
These animal protection/rights groups are not just about companion animals, but helping to expose where the majority of abuse takes place in factory farms against farm animals and getting laws passed that will protect farm animals, over 10 billion raised alone for food in the U.S., against more abuse. I don't know where you got that PETA and the Humane Society are just about companion animals.
Robert_Montes: These animal protection/rights groups are not just about companion animals,
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Robert_Montes/peta-aspca-hsus-shelters_b_2696911_232581591.html
04:15 PM on 02/25/2013
The vast majority of the fundraising letters, e-mails, and phone solicitations I have received from HSUS ask for money to rescue and provide care for pets. That long-running lie is the only reason HSUS is uber-wealthy rather than belly-up. If HSUS focused their TV ads and factory fundraising drives on their (lobbying for farm animal campaigns), people might catch on that HSUS is abusing it's tax exempt status.
If the IRS wasn't the most dysfunctional, backlogged, inept government agency in the country, HSUS would have already lost their charitable status.
LousyWithLove: The vast majority of the fundraising letters, e-mails, and phone
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10:57 AM on 02/25/2013
Please if you wish to donate do so locally. There are many reputable non profit animal welfare groups in every city and state. If you want to donate to help animals in need please do your homework before you write your check. There are many great shelters that are working tirelessly to ensure that animals in their care are found foster and forever homes. Also, please consider some of the wonderful rescues that are always needing help. Rescue groups pull animals from shelters and many times have the expenses of paying the vet bills for a large majority of animals that have pulled.
Linda_Peck: Please if you wish to donate do so locally. There
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02:50 AM on 02/23/2013
More could rehome animals and should be encouraged to since most "no kill" (NK) shelters do not take owner giveups. No surprise that people spare the trip to the shelter and leave Fluffy behind to play up to neighbors. If a neighbor calls a NK shelter to help Fluffy, they're directed to an open-admission municipal shelter ... so neighbor does nothing, and two cats become 12 become 48. Later for lack of TNR or help finding new homes for a cat or two at the outset, the problem grows. Cats are PTS (put to sleep) or endure short miserable lives decried by animal rights purists some of whom think, being carnivores, and being hard on wildlife, cats should be bred into extinction. Before being released or left outside, intervention is needed, not once cats are skittish/unadoptable. Recently someone in NC looking for a low-cost spay for his cat called my org. I found it for $30. HSUS or the ASPCA could do likewise w/ info, counsel & support including how to find homes for animals or perhaps a monitored website where applicants are screened to help the public help themselves. Or a penny bank for those who need to vet kittens prior to adoption or who give up animals due to lack of funds for medical problems. PetsMart Charities sends generous checks, based on #s of cats rehomed, to small rescue orgs. Why don't big orgs do more for small rescue orgs and for people?
JoannaHarkin: More could rehome animals and should be encouraged to since
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03:15 AM on 02/23/2013
I just received this in an email from Petsmart Charities promoting pet adoption, and my only relationship with them is as an adoption partner and recipient of some of those grants.
About PetSmart Charities
For the 10th year in a row, PetSmart Charities earned 4 stars from Charity Navigator (their highest rating) and remains in the top 1% of all charities rated. We’re the largest supporter of animal welfare efforts in North America. In 2011, we granted more than $26 million to more than 3,200 animal welfare organizations, and used 84 cents of every dollar directly to help pets in need. To learn more about how PetSmart Charities is working toward its vision of a lifelong, loving home for every pet, visit petsmartcharities.org or call 1-800-423-PETS (7387).
That's real money and that's real help for the little guys rowing alongside the ocean liner big orgs.
JoannaHarkin: I just received this in an email from Petsmart Charities
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03:53 PM on 02/22/2013
And you forgot AHA American Humane Association...
ASPCA, and PETA are Big jokes when come to animal protection, rescue and rights.
They are just money-consuming black holes.
It's staggering the number of animals (dogs, for what I know) that they put down for ridiculous reasons, they are more interested on political correctness and supporting Dogmatic ideas regarding to prevent the reasons that put the animals in the shelters in the first place.
PrometheansFire: And you forgot AHA American Humane Association... ASPCA, and PETA
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12:59 PM on 02/22/2013
All I know is, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. I'm not saying it's not a good idea to work with breed rescues and foster homes, and we certainly must implement low-cost spay/neuter programs (which, by the way, HSUS, PETA, and the ASPCA are all in favor of). But when you start fixating on numbers and shoving animals out the door at all costs, you run the risk of putting animals in harm's way.
Feral cats don't die of old age. A dog who dies of neglect at the end of a chain is just as dead as a dog who dies by injection at the shelter. The difference is the animals went through a lot of suffering first. We set up animal shelters for a reason--to provide a safe haven for animals who are left homeless for whatever reason. Shelters need to remain safe havens, and not become mere way stations ruled by balance sheets, where the numbers become more important than protecting animals from suffering.
Mooninnorfolk: All I know is, if it sounds too good to
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02:23 PM on 02/22/2013
The only shelters that are truly safe havens are NO KILL. And properly managed feral colony members (TNR) DO die of old age (its called attrition). As far as neglect, there are laws, that need to be made much tougher in most states, and then enforced. too many authorities dont enforce the law till its too late. Anyone who would neglect or abuse an animal would do the same to a person/child.
El_Hites: The only shelters that are truly safe havens are NO
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01:59 AM on 02/23/2013
Unfortunately, ANY shelter can call itself "no kill." Be sure to check out any shelter calling itself "no kill" before getting involved with it.
Lizard_2011: Unfortunately, ANY shelter can call itself "no kill." Be sure
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02:24 AM on 02/23/2013
"I'm not saying it's not a good idea to work with...foster homes..."
It may well be that it's an EXCELLENT idea to work with foster homes. I was trained to be a foster parent by a woman who bottle-fed kittens and puppies and raised them to adulthood BEFORE the "animal experts" agreed this was even possible.
Obviously, the quality of the foster home will depend upon the agent overseeing the foster care program. The woman who oversaw the foster care program in which I was involved had multiple decades of experience and had NEVER been paid for her service.
HSUS, PeTA, and ASPCA can "be in favor of" spay/neuter programs from now until the end of time, but until they start delegating significant amounts of the money they receive from donations toward spay/neuter, I call bullshit.
Lizard_2011: "I'm not saying it's not a good idea to work
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11:26 AM on 02/22/2013
Isn't it true that the Huffington Post recently extended an invitation to both Ingrid Newkirk and Nathan Winograd to debate the topic of "euthanasia" and the killing of shelter animals?
It is my understanding that Nathan accepted the invitation, while Newkirk declined. I leave everyone to judge for themselves which of the two has something to hide.
Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe this happened within the past few months.
Lucy_Van_Pelt: Isn't it true that the Huffington Post recently extended an
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11:48 PM on 02/21/2013
Animal cruelty is unacceptable, but never, ever should cats be released outdoors. Reproductive control is essential to curb excess domestic animals.
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11:45 AM on 02/22/2013
Management of feral cats can be and often is done very successfully with Alley Cat Allies' TNR procedure....trap, neuter (and vaccinate), release. The feral cat populations are therefore well-controlled, but are still available to the community for rodent control. Everywhere feral cat populations have been totally eradicated and never returned, no matter what the reason, the community experiences horrendous increases in rodents. Winograd is right about New York City;s
pound, It's a nightmare, but so is most of all animal control in NYC. Cats are trapped. Cats are hauled into the city's horrible pounds. Cats languish in filthy cages until they die. But downtown Manhattan, post Hurricane Sandy, is over-run with rats, literally millions of rats running free while their best predators are killed....by US!
Sookey_Capote: Management of feral cats can be and often is done
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06:27 PM on 02/26/2013
The problem with releasing feral cats back into the environment is that they have a much greater impact than simply decreasing human-caused rodent populations. Feral cats kill large numbers of native birds, reptiles, amphibians and mammals, directly and indirectly. The impact they make on wild animal populations is strictly controllable - simply keep our domestic animals confined - never create or maintain feral populations. There are so many pressures on native animals and the environment that we are obligated to do our best to prevent more - if only because we all depend on the environment. Domestic animals are the product of humans. We must not allow them to be treated inhumanely and we must not throw our "trash" outside. Humane euthanasia is the solution for those cats that cannot be placed under confined human care. Because we created this problem, we must deal with it, however distasteful it may be. It's called responsibility.
samandrandra: The problem with releasing feral cats back into the environment
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