Book title:
Book title:
Based on lectures delivered over a period of several years at:
* the annual conferences of "The Association of Orthodox Jewish Scientists";* a university science club;* a museum exhibition on the big bang etc;* retreats in Ukraine and Israel.....
Video: 10 minutes: Topic:
Scientists who discovered the big bang theory understood the essence of Genesis better than theologians.
(As preparation, you can watch the videos below.)
One of the topics in the book involves:
The alleged science-torah conflict re the age of the universe
The point made here: As seen by scientists, the essential 'conflict' on this topic is NOT between the idea of the age of 13 billion yrs vs 6,000 yrs.
Actually the conflict started long before modern science - it was a conflict between torah and the area of philosophy which was the ancient-day equivalent of our modern-day physics. Specifically, the conflict was between the notion of the temporal-infinitude of the universe vs its temporal finitude - ie whether it always existed or was created a finite amount of time ago. More importantly for religious people, the conflict was between the implications of these two positions, ie whether the universe is uncreated or created.
In fact the 13 billion year age proposed by the big bang theory (about 100 years ago) was considered by most physicists and philosophers of the time to be pro-Biblical, not counter to it! Why? Because finding that the universe is 15b yrs old, ie it is finite in time, is consistent with the idea that it was created, and it overturned the millenia-old adherence to the Aristotelian proposition of the inifinitude of the universe, ie that it was NOT created.
So for scientists and philosophers, the crucial element in the creation account in the Torah is that the universe is created, as implied by a finite age, NOT the specific age, ie the notion that it is 6,000 years old, which to them is a red herring.
We'll expand on these ideas a lot in the coming pages.
Video-lectures covering some of the topics of this book
The book is a combination of several threads.
Not all segments & threads above will be of interest to all readers, and some can certainly be left out without prjeudicing another thread. On the website thre will be separate links to these sections to facilitate selectivity of reading.
In general the book is directed at scientifically-minded readers for whom the Bible is an important element of their cultural consciousness. Such readers would be are intrigued in seeing how Biblical beliefs and motifs played out in the story of the development of cosmology and of Einstein's theories. However, there are in essence three versions of the book for three types of such readers (scientifically-minded readers for whom the Bible is culturally important):
A preface geared towards the last of the types of reader" There is a mistaken belief that the essential science-torah conflict re the age of the universe is between the idea that it is 15 b yrs vs that it is 6,000 yrs, but actually it was between infinitude of the universe vs finite, or more importantly, the implications of these two positions, ie that the universe is uncreated vs that it was created.
In fact the 15 b yr age is pro-Biblical, not counter to it, since finding that the universe is 15b yrs old, ie it is finite, is consistent with the idea of a creation, and it overturned the millenia-old adherence ot Aristotelian inifinute of the universe, ie non-creation!
So what is crucial in the creation account in the Torah is that the universe is created, as implied by a finite age, NOT the specific age, ie the notion that it is 6,000 years old, which is a red herring.
We'll expand on these ideas a lot in the coming pages.
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Einstein believed the un(iverse) to be eternal and imposed this on his physical theory and this was his 'greatest blunder'. As a young boy he rejected the Biblical creation account and this perhaps led to his adoption of the Aristotelian (Spinozan) model, and thus to his great 'blunder'.
He believed humans do not have true free will, and rejected the Bilical garden of Eden account, and his rejeciotn of free will was based on a belief in determinism which led him to his other great error, the rejection of quantum physics due to the indeterminism at its root.
Caveat: Were I to have made any one of Einstein many errors, I would have been famous - his errors were profound, and to make them it took genius - so let's not be misled... but nevertheless we will investigate.... and we can see from the above how inextricably we see the issue of the "age of universe" and "big bang- Torah" issues bound wiht those of free will...
The Spinozan Aristotelian notion of the universe rejected a being who had created the universe, was interested in its history, human behavior, the significance of human choices, history etc, and the cosmic meaning and purpose of creation, of the universe, of human activity.
So for us here in this book the ideas of randomness, determinism, free will are linked up with meaning & purpose, the Biblical accounts of creation and of the garden of Eden, and all this with Einstein, Aristotle, Spinoza (& Friedman).
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AR: The above material is the first page of the below word file. Is the rest of that file also on this site?
To get a sense of how the topic was viewed by scientists when the big bang theory was being introduced:
Contents of v brief file "Max Born. Evo, bb. Einsteins Blunder."
Max Born: Einstein's theory of Relativity: 1920, 1924, 1962
Einstein's Blunder material: CH VII : (section) 12. Cosmology
AR: Irony like for Einstein;s blunder: he wanted to disprove bb theory so to speak and so introduced the c.c., but it turned out the c.c. was needed for the bb theory:
P367-8: L was needed to make age of un larger than age of meteorites, but later it turned out not to be needed bec the distances were larger than Hubble had measured
[Evo bb material:P368-370: Critique of both the religious and atheistic slants pro and con the bb theory (includes sharp critique of Hoyle steady-state theory).]
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FIle: "FW to Evo. Transforming article via this addition"
Editing "Free Will" BH article:
Introduction: Leave it out.
Part I: give it new heading: eg: Is 'Mind' Subject to Natural Law? Then the next heading immediately following makes sense: The Concept of natural Law.
Keep section "The Concept of natural Law" and the next: "Natural Law vs FW" (except change last sentence, see below)
Put the section "Causality and Determinism" as an Appendix for advanced readers, and change the reference to it in the last sentence of the preceding section.
Keep the next sections, but in section "Explanation of QP" put the paragraph "For example" as advanced Appendix.
Part II: Keep
Part III: Contentious. Whitehead quote is good for this, but maybe just leave it all out. But keep last paragraph, just delete But delete the first phrase of the second (=last) sentence.
Part IV: Keep, but something is missing, need to change order. I don’t present the idea of consciousness collapsing the wave function but I refer to it! And there's a heading "FW & Collapse" before the heading "The Measurement Problem". So I need to insert material re QP/Collapse, and then re consiousness and then re FW. Eg the last sentence of "FW & Collapse" should be part of an intro or conclusion of a section re the measurement problem.
Need to explain that perhaps consciousness is governed by naturallaw and ultimately by qp, the type of FW we are referring to is by definition not.
Part V: Make Option C less dogmatic.'We must" "all people" etc.
Sat, May 28, 2005, 2:53 AM
on ext flash HD
from email,
File : "EinsteinSpinozaC.C. PS Aug 05"
Wednesday, August 31, 2005 6:15 pm
air1@nyu.edu
Subject : PS meeting transcript
Taped meeting with PS Aug 05.doc 39K
Taped meeting with PS, Aug ’05: All on side 1
Two topics, only the first is transcribed here (typed from handwritten notes made from tape).
1) Einstein, c.c., Spinoza etc
2) Even at ‘initial state’ an infinite universe can be infinite in extent (based on Rindler 2nd ed)
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Einstein c.c
AR added later: Einstein concluded that there were no non-static cosmological solutions to his equations. Partially he invoked a proof to this effect, partially it was because he did not notice that there was indeed a solution, as found by Friedmann, partially it was due to his desire to incorporate Mach’s principles into cosmology/GR[1] , and partially it was because he did not see astronomical evidence that the stars/galaxies have high speeds, as would be the case if the universe were dynamic.
Problems:
There WAS astronomical evidence that the stars have high speeds.
If Einstein felt his proof was solid, why would one need the evidence of no high speeds of the stars/galaxies?
The Friedmann solution is very simple, and jumps out at one in hindsight. Is this the case only in hindsight, and it was very much not apparent at that time or is it only not evident if one a priori rejects the possibility of a non-static solution?
Was Einstein’s proof of the son-existence of dynamic solutions unusually shoddy for him, so that it indicate sa blindness on his part?
It seems that if Einstein had looked for non-static solutions he would have found them, and his proof that they don’t exist contained a basic error, so it seems possible that he was proceeding under a preconceived notion that the universe is static and this blinded him to other possibilities.
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It seems that he held philosophical/metaphysical beliefs regarding the static nature of the universe. He referred to believing in ‘Spinoza’s god’, and Spinoza was considered a heretic due to his belief in the eternity of universe, ie in non-creation, ie in a static universe.
Everyone is to some degree influenced by their beliefs, which are influenced by those of others, scientific and religious teachers, writers, great thinkers of the past etc.
Questions:
· Psychological methodological question: To what extent was Einstein influenced by these beliefs?
· Historical question: Did Einstein already have well-defined beliefs that the universe is static before he studied cosmological solutions of his equations or were these philosophical beliefs formulated as aresult of his scientific work?
· His belief in a deterministic underpinning to quantum effects was purely philosophical/metaphysical not scientific, ie there was no a priori scientific proof, nor experimental evidence etc (but he and others put together the EPR effect to show how one could verify this conjecture via experiment) – does this validate the possibility that philosophical/metaphysical beliefs influenced his scientific comnclusions?
AR: mentioned:
· Seeliger and Mach, BCs of the universe as in Newtonian gravity cosmology (based on Pais: “Subtle is the Lord” and in Jammer “Concepts of Space” (I have both books at home: NY);
· Einstein’s ‘proof’ that the universe has to be static, Friedman’s disproof (as per Gamow book (I have) due to E’s division by zero [PS said it was ‘s proof];
· claim that E’s belief in Spinoza’s metaphysic underlay his adherence to view of universe as static.
PS: Have to go by E’s paper, he writes re why he gives this particular solution:
· no BCs needed for closed universe;
· Mach principle re that no matter leads to no metric.
· no large velocities measured for stars
(AR: this is all in book “Meaning of Relativity”, I have)
AR: But was that all really due to a prior prejudice against dynamic to universe, and this was actually post-hoc justifications?
PS: One should first of all assume that he means what he says. Also, in letters exchanged with Ehrenfest, the scientist closet to him, and deSitter, this is what he believed. He fought long and hard against the reality (of a dynamic universe)
It’s strange that he hadn’t heard of the large velocities of the galaxies as measured by an astronomer during WWI, 1917. Although it was during the war, he was close to an astronomer who would have known it and told him about it.
AR: Do you see E as working from a bias against a dynamic universe?
PS: Western thought doesn’t have dynamic universe. Indian idea of creation/shiva destruction. There is the Bible, creation, but Einstein didn’t believe in the that.
AR: E believed in the Bible early on, then rejected the Biblkical stories, so it WAS in his philosophical heritage, and there are speculations that the c.c. came from his bias re Spinoza, who was heretic re this and E followed Spinoza and Western civilization philosophy bias and the math was simply post-hoc justification.
PS: Newton already showed there can’t be a static solution.
[repulsive potential at large distances, exponential factor like Yukawa potential. Newmann. Seeliger, like Laplace put in….. By mistake introduced attractive force, oscillator, was not clear to him (who?) later apologized to Newman. Freak solution.]
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Essential points underlying my questions in the next discussion:
Einstein’s equations show a link between a closed universe and a static one. Was Einstein’s choice of a closed static universe influenced by the ideas of Riemann/Gauss/Clifford re a closed 3-space?
Did Riemann/Gauss/Clifford understand that this model of a closed 3-space had relevance to the cosmological BC issue in a Newtonian cosmology based on gravity?
AR: Was there no historical connection between Riemann/Gauss/Clifford and Mach/Einstein?
PS: Einstein knew of Riemann’s idea re a closed universe.
AR: But was it only after he discovered it himself that he realized Riemann had preceded him in this?
This idea is in every differential geometry text and Einstein studied it.
It was known idea (Clifford, Lobachevsky checked parallaxes, Schwarzschild made measurements, placing limits on maximal spatial curvature etc)
AR: added later:
a) Einstein did not start with Riemann/Gauss/Clifford ideas of space curvature and expand it to spacetime, rather he began with spacetime curvature and then in studying curvature was led by Grossman to Riemann’s work. And maybe it was only then, when he was already considering ideas of a spatial curvature as applied to the universe, after he was led to the idea of a closed 3-space, did he first encounter Riemann’s idea. So he didn’t really build on Riemann’s idea. Question: Does this imply that Riemann’s idea wouldn’t have affected his preference for the closed-universe model? And since a closed model seemed linked ot the idea of a static universe, that Riemann’s idea didn’t therefore influence his preference for a static universe?
b) In the metric for spacetime curvature responsible for gravity Einstein neglected spatial curvature and included only time-space curvature; similarly - and what is actually the reverse - in the metric for spacetime curvature responsible for cosmology he neglected universal spatial expansion which is time-space curvature and included only spatial curvature.
In the other direction:
Did Clifford realize that a closed 3-space solves the problem discussed by Mach?
re: Newton’s cosmological BC problem and the non-existence of a static solution
If one assume sspace is closed, and one sees with Newton that there can’t be a static solution even in a closed space, then a closed universes doesn’t solve the problem it just transfers the non-staticity to the space itself – ie it predicts a non-static universe. This solves both problems, of Mach and Newton
[1] [Mach’s principle seemed to require (or be easier or better) in a spatially-closed universe, and indeed his equations for cosmology indicate that a static pressureless universe implies it is closed and v.v.]
Much of the material for the Einstein book is in here: particularly
the discussions of:
a) determinism quantum physics and free will;
b)meaning, purpose and cosmology;
c) Genesis: the creation and Garden of Eden;
d) free will, creation, creativity and causality.
3/3/06 file version:
Below: Email May 14, 2019, 12:31 PM: "Text copies..."
A text copy of the website is in the attached 71-page documents:
All are identical.
The site is much longer than 71 pages since it contains multiple embedded files many of which hav emany pages.
The site incorporates the material in the forwarded email below - the email was an earlier version of the site.
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Avi Rabinowitz <air1@nyu.edu>
Date: Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:09 PM
Subject: New website for Einstein Blunder book, with new preface
To: Avi I Rabinowitz <air1@nyu.edu>
The book is directed at scinetifically-minded readers for whom the Bible is an important element of their cultural consciousness and are intrigued in seeing how Biblical beliefs and motifs played out in the story of the development of cosmology and of Einstein's theories.
Three versions of the book:
There is a mistaken belief that the essential science-torah conflict re the age of the universe is between the idea that it is 15 b yrs vs that it is 6,000 yrs, but actually it was between infinitude of the universe vs finite, or more importantly, the implications of these two positions, ie that the universe is uncreated vs that it was created.
In fact the 15 b yr age is pro-Biblical, not counter to it, since finding that the universe is 15b yrs old, ie it is finite, is consistent with the idea of a creation, and it overturned the millenia-old adherence ot Aristotelian inifinute of the universe, ie non-creation!
So what is crucial in the creation account in the Torah is that the universe is created, as implied by a finite age, NOT the specific age, ie the notion that it is 6,000 years old, which is a red herring.
We'll expand on these ideas a lot in the coming pages.
....
Einstein believed the un(iverse) to be eternal and imposed this on his physical theory and this was his 'greatest blunder'. As a young boy he rejected the Biblical creation accountand this perhaps led to his adoption of the Aristotelian (Spinozan) model, and thus to his great 'blunder'.
He believed humans do not have true free will, and rejected the Bilical garden of Eden account, and his rejeciotn of free will was based on a belief in determinism which led him to his other great error, the rejection of quantum physics due to the indeterminism at its root.
Caveat: Were I to have made any one of Einstein many errors, I would have been famous - his errors were profound, and to make them it took genius - so let's not be misled... but nevertheless we will investigate.... and we can see from the above how inextricably we see the issue of the "age of universe" and "big bang- Torah" issues bound wiht those of free will...
The Spinozan Aristotelian notion of the universe rejected a being who had created the universe, was interested in its history, human behavior, the significance of human choices, history etc, and the cosmic meaning and purpose of creation, of the universe, of human activity.
So for us here in this book the ideas of randomness, determinism, free will are linked up with meaning & purpose, the Biblical accounts of creation and of the garden of Eden, and all this with Einstein, Aristotle, Spinoza (& Friedman).
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Wed, Jun 22, 2005, 1:23 AM
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The video I uploaded today is from my camera, which was not at a good angle, and which lost power towards the end, and in any case there was no time to give the entire lecture, so the second half of this video is taken from the lecture you attended in Odesa (which was included in the earlier mail below): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lrzsKHHuLw&feature=youtu.be
Thanks!
Avi
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the video of the lecture near Odesa. Today, there was no time do do everything, so this part 9:50-13:30 was done in one minute, and 13:30-end was partly not said.
The other material you heard is here:
Bible's Creation account isn't about "The Beginning" so no conflict with science.Russian&Hebrew by avirab
8:02
What's Shabbat if God created the universe via a big bang,not in 6 days? Russian &Hebrew
The videos are art of my "Science and Religion" playlist (my physics lectures are on different playlists, for example this one on general relativity).
One video has been posted on Youtube, and I hope to post the rest soon. It can be accessed by googling the deliberately-provocative title "scientists understand Genesis, theologians don't" or by going to: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KtNLshCf5A .
Video on Youtube of the Stern/YU Science club lecture "Einstein's blunder, the big bang and Torah"
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In Russian
Ошибка Эйнштейна и Большого Взрыва; ирония: физиков поняли Библию больше, чем теологов
Ошибка Эйнштейна, и Большого Взрыва. (Немного об общей теории относительности,)
Библейская история творения не о «начале», поэтому нет конфликта с наукой. Русский и иврит
Что такое Шаббат, если Бог создал Вселенную через большой взрыв, а не через 6 дней? Русский и иврит
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See lists of all these emails in the inserted file below:
FILE
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Einstein Blunder excerpts from "Events Israel '07" (Also re FW book etc, some of which might be meshed into the Einstein book)
During the Second World War, Gamow worked on the atom bomb project. After the war, he turned to Physics and began to wonder about the origin of elements in the early Universe.
An Infant Universe
It was while trying to answer this question, Gamow reasoned that first there must have been an infant Universe. Next, he said that this baby Universe must have been very, very hot. After this he argued that this was the ideal setting for the cosmic cooking of elements; that was Gamow’s line of reasoning. All this happened around 1948 or so.
It was only after Gamow’s seminal work that physicists began to accept the notion that the Universe did have a definite birth. Later, thanks to a casual remark by the British astrophysicist Fred Hoyle, the term Big Bang gained currency and came to be associated with the primordial event that signified the birth of the Physical Universe. By the way, Hoyle never believed in the Big Bang himself, and he, in fact, introduced the term somewhat in a sarcastic vein in a popular talk on Science over the BBC; but the name has stuck, and the belief in the concept too!
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Marketing the book:
web sites re Bohm and re Wheeler, Leibowitch etc should be notified that the book has previously unpublished material of theirs.
Websites re Einstein should have blurbs enticing readers.
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Possible order of material in the book
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Ask what their approach is to mind/body and free will.
Explain that I need their input not their agreement to my approach.
It is not meant as a professional text or article, but rather as a popular book.
It only has to be as good in content as the other such books on the market;.
I will have it edited for style at a later stage.
categories: original idea, original example of known idea, interesting critique of source, lively phraseology, better explanation. Discard known ideas, known examples, explanations better presented elsewhere etc.
In house: try one or two handwritten pages from both binders.
Tell him to read:
Explain overlap of books: FW book, Morality/Purpose/Meaning book, Adam/Eve/RetroUn book, Einstein book. Atheists, Reform etc.
Help me prepare articles for submission to professional journals, Zygon, websites? Put together book/monograph: FW/Morality etc
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Link to youtube video of Jerusalem lecture in Russian re Big Bang Einstein Blunder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lrzsKHHuLw&feature=youtu.be
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email: "Photo Einstein TMOR, 5th edition, cosmology calculation, metric, first 2 pages" (of that section of his book)
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Inbox Sat, Mar 17, 2018, 12:45 AM
to me
R Machlis after maariv asked me cahallenged me to find something frm Hawlking that is in line with religion, i thought it would not be possibel but i eventuallly cameup with this:, said it (and was complimented)
H was atehitst wold hate this but he siad there's no life after death so i;m safe
qp --> randomenss made fw seem les outre
GR--> bb --> made breishis creaiton vs eternity less outre
qp +GR --> Bekenstein,frum --> Hawking atheist -->: informaiton can be destoryed, so AR: maybe it can be created, which makes creativity less oure.
Of course H admitted he was wrong, info is NOT destoryed, but at least it cannot be said that i is obvious that info cannot be destroyed, and so also re created, ie mindset of what can o r cannot be is change,d, not that we need physics to enfrachise what is a metaphysical belief.
Einstein Blunder Book. ms, publishers, AOJS etc
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Thu, Oct 20, 2005, 2:16 AM
to me
Oct 05 meeting with PS re Einstein's religion etc for my Ein book
Two Sides: Transcribed only first side and beginning of 2nd side:
AR: One possibility is that evo etc leads to existence in human mind
of categorical imperative, I ought not to kill etc. Nevertheless a
person can know/believe this and it doesn't weaken the feeling of
ought not.
One can also believe that God created the un and designed it so that
evolution would produce humans with a categorical imperative.
So someone like Einstein can deeply feel that there's a "God", and
experience an infinite impenetrable mystery, source of order, but at
the same time believe that all this is simply in his mind as a result
of some evolutionary process, and is not reflective of an external
physical actuality. This would expalin why he so deeply felt about
religion and God and yet didn't seem to take it seriously in his ideas
about the physical universe.
PS: I don't know whether Ein had a consistent view. he made many
statements about religion, these philosophical questions, he was a
physicist nor a philosopher, he made these remarks, gave enormous
amounts of interviews, at diffeent times.
If one wants to write sensibly abou thtese, you haV TO GOT O TH
SOURCES, LEARN gERMAN. tHE EARLY..WEHRE HE TALKS MPTS OPENLY ABOUT HIS
VIEWS, A BOOK HE AUTHORIZED BY HIS STEP SONE IN LAW, ANOTHER ONE BY A
JOUIRNALIST NAMED Miskowski, journalist in Berlin, 20's talked quit
eiopenly, things he later didnt talk about openly, his views changes,
earlier EIn is not same as Later EIn. To make him a source of great
insight into this philosophicall provblem is wrong bec this was not
his forte, on the other hand if one is interesteted in Ein (AR: EIn
himself, not a sa source of phil wisdom) etc the of course, and have
to llok at his letters, whole stuff is in German not translated.
A: People used this as source for exisitng trnaslated works etc
PS: but it us selectve, translated only a part of it
AR: who read the material and hasa n interest and good be consulted?
PS: Holton. he brought all this material out, it was sitting in inst
for adv studies, in basement, was a secretary had it , collected
letters. All aty HU, but a copy is available, Caltch EIn papaers
project, DIanna Kalmash Buckwald, chief editor of these papers. PS was
concerned with ranslating vol 6&7 which contain Ein's most important
papers on GR 1910-1920, "I have been purged by Mrs Buchwald, so as
Hotlon been purgd",she's a crazy woman, nw has hired a porno film
director and his mistress, a novelist, and they translat Einstein.
(they translated Grrman word for contraction as 'tapering off' of a
tenor'. e says she understands everything Ein wrote, she has a degree
in chemistry.
AR: I'm in contact with Holton.
AR: summarizing: you are saying that:
Was not EIns forte
Ein was not consistent,
his philosophical views changed over time,
only some material has been published.
Best scientific bio is Pais, there's a german one ?? by???
Always have new material emerging.
AR: His posthumous publications even more than during his lifetime. PS
chuckles.
AR: when I was reading re Pauli said others published his idead
PS: yes, i have big volume of his letters
AR: Pauli's papers as published by others
PS chuckles
AR: re what yopu saud E's views in this not of great inerest as source
of phil wisdom but of course if interested in Ein is ok. I I am
indeed interested in these ideas, in phil, metaphysics, religion etc,
but also in Eins's ideas, sdo it is a combination.
The point is that i'm not convinced that jus bec hes not a philosopher
thant he didnt think inot hese thjkngs deepls, consistently.
He was the first to develop cosmolgy in to a REAL PHYSICAL THEORY
(OTHER THAN kANT, LAPLACE ETC), origin of universe etc
PS: he didn;t think in terms of an origin
AR: that's true he postulated a static (AR: and therefore eternal)
universe, but the idea tha this should be so is also philosophy, so he
WAS concerned re philosophy re the 'origin' of the universe.
SOmeone else, a straw man physicist, who thinks things through and
believes theres a source of order, infinite impenetrable mystery,
would they not think of this as relevan tot cosmolog/ That's why I
mentioned at the outside
PS: He was not a systematic thinker, he was an opportunist, that was
the way he worked.Versatile, many things that were doaable. He never
wrote a textbook, if one does, need to sit down and do it in a
systermatic way. He did not make a systmatic theory of cosmologyu, he
said you can fulfil Machs principle if you make this model, and then
when expansion of universe was discovered he made EIn-deSitter, but it
was just anote, and Ein claimed deS was interested in it, and de S
said it wa Ein, and he didnlt put more time into it nad didnt write
more about it, one short..
AR: isnt that astounjding to treat it as just another physics problem
PS: that's how successful physicists work
AR: but if it is true that as Wheeler and Jammer write claim that the
reaosn was not mAch by t his phil views SPinoza etc, then one would
expect that the discovery of the non static nature of the uniwould
then affect his phil.
EIn had no interest in all this? Its weird!
Mayb bec he was working on his unified field theory and was waiting to
complete that before he applied it to cosmology, it would be a waste
to use an incoplete theiory for cosmology.
PS: at that point he didnt beleiv ein math, he said nothing should
need more than sines and cosines, that was stupid!
In later years he studies and di math, all his field theories were
quite math'l. After working with ROsen he thought there sno solution
in GR for a rotating body, it was nonsense.
AR: so he was saying GR was not suffucuent.
PS: He was saying his greatest brainchild, GR, was worng!@ He sort of
lost interest in it. tried these crazy field theories combining
gravity and EM.
AR: Mayb bec he was working on his unified field theory and was
waiting to complete that before he applied it to cosmology, eg like
people today wait for quantum gravity, it would be a waste to use an
incoplete theiory for cosmology.
PS: he wasn't that intetreste din cosmology
AR: some lab physuicst onterested in tiny problems, one could
postulate this, but EIn theought deeply about space and tinme, and
Machs principle and BCs of universe, could it be, is it plausible?
PS: Have to take people as they are, their interests.
PS: Maybe it was a goal. But it was unti the 1950s, and he died in 55,
was not part of phsyics.
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Interestig discussion of astronomy etc but not relevant tot this
point, jus tthat cosmology was not serious 'til the 60s etc.
PS: Nowadays it has been discovered by the particle physicists that
one can get money by talking about cossmilogy, but at that time there
was very little evisdence, observations. In 48 Bondi Gold Hoyle still
could postulte steady state, matter crwated at all times...
AR: not a silly as it sounds, if matter could be created
at 'begining' it could be created at an y time..
PS:
AR:
PS: it was not a physical theory, they introduce a perfect
cosmological prniciple....
till 65 Penzias/Wilson...........
AR: no verified predictions of GR til then?
PS:
AR: .
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PS: EIn made his theory in 1915/16 and he immediately abandoned it, in
1917 he intrduced the cc, and then later abandoned it for unified
field theories, and he ssems to have lost interest in this idea.
AR: two things: that un is nit random, and that need other than grav
to get unified theory.
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Other discussion
AR: re what you said re Ein re sine and cosine , could one say tha the
meant that nature should be describalbe in elegant math, just that one
needs to study alot to get to see that the math that's used
is 'simple' etc.
Minkowski etc
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AR: re Pauli synchronicity: I read long ago in
Koestler "Sleepwalkers". Is it now emerging in ophysics community due
to publication of P's letter's
PS: Yes.
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AR: Ein didnt seem to take metaphysics seriously re physics, but Pauli
seemed to have taken it more seriously.
PS: But EIn produced very little in that area which was coherent.
Newton produced more about religuio and chemistry than physics. Pauli
wrote much more about these questions than about phsycs, his letters,
but didnt publish it. Why do we believe in these ideas, science. Ps
ideas was to explore the unconscous, to see how arrive at these
decision, what is the belief strucutre, hw people come to their ideas,
but EIn didnt have this interst in epistemology of discovery.
Certainly as a subject, bec of the depth of his discoveries and power
of his intuition, (EIn or Pauli?) of interest to us how did his mind
work, but he didn't leav too many clues. In case of Kepler he wrote
what he felt like etc
AR: but beyond trying to see how we arrive at these ideas, he took it
setriously as a physical reality
PS: Sure, [Pauli nervous breakdown, wrote to Jung, I help you with
univ position you help me with women]
AR: Who framed Roger Rabbit. Two sets of laws of nature. TO me
synchronicity is like that. Pauli new of laes of casuality, physics,
but also looking for synchronicity etc., Obvioulsy there has to be
some correlation betwen them to interact, but its almost like two sets
of laws for th eun.
PS:He was also interested in paranormal phenomena, Pauli effect. I
remember he invited ne to give a talk at EH shortly before his death,
we took the tram, a car cllided with another tram, he pointed and
asaid "Pauli effect"
AR: DId he really believe it?!
PS: he thought he had an enormous power...
AR: told ps re my week experiment writng down all coincidences etc.
SIDE ONE OF TAPE ENDED: CHANGE SIDES
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EInstein (?/Pauli?) was a guinea pig for experiments in parapsychology.
Excahnged letters with [peeople who made statistical theories/studies
of these things.
wryly: (spiritual)Mediums have declining effect
AR: nothing counterscientific about telepathy etc, not really
extrasensory just new senses, but not like synchronicity. And not like
infinite mystery and source of order, this is not the same, it would
radically change idea of universe, and Pauli synchronicity is in the
middle,...
PS: interaction of the uncncscious with the conscious....revealed in
dreams......
he has some inmtersting ideas
AR: you think with possible validity?
PS: Yes. about the role of the unconscious in our understanding of the
world.....
Didn't transcribe after this.
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