Looks like this as well as wall-mount both require having the tank and all associated bits installed behind in the wall cavity: and note that this is an additional cost (total costs pushing $1k USD). Probably a good recommendation to have some sort of access panel available: I'm trying to design with this in mind for all plumbing connects.

I would stick to brands that have been making these for a long time. Can't go wrong with Toto or Duravit. Not sure how much I would trust local manufacturers. Also make sure there is local support, even the best toilets will need valves swapped out over time and it is a pain if you can't find it locally.


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Andy, I used caroma wall hungs in my latest build. They work well and they're good toilets in terms of cleanliness, flushing, splash out, streaks, etc. But please be warned, there are real nuances to installing wall hung toilets mostly in the preplanning.. I put them in myself because I don't know any plumbers that put in wall hungs before, Or would come back every so often to during the different phases of construction. So I went through the hard knocks learning the intricacies myself. And let me tell you, they're nothing like floor mount toilets. Not wrong or bad, just different.

- Either one is relatively easy to install, you just need to decide how high you want your seat height to be before installing;

- Gerberit is compatable with a lot more toilet bowls, Toto is only compatible with its own bowls;

- Gerberit has a much better selection of wall plates;

- The instructions provided with each suck, but that is typical of plumbing products;

- The bowls are easy to install, but make sure you have the gasket. Toto comes with the gasket, but you have to buy the kit with Gerberit;

- If you plan on getting a bidet seat, Toto includes the water line connector in the wall frame. Gerberit did not at the time, but I have not checked recently.

- They really do save a lot of room, they look better and I would use them on the next project.

I hadn't heard of Swiss Madison. It seems the company is about five years old, and it acts primarily as an importer of Chinese made fixtures. A few reviewers on Amazon have complained about missing parts, but those comments might have something to do with the pandemic.

Steve, I'd only grabbed Swiss Madison from a quick Google after seeing the horrible reviews of Kohler on Kohler's site. I take reviews with a grain of salt, mostly requiring a large sample size before I have a truer sense of real world performance; I understand that people who have issues are more likely to comment/review than those who do not. A bit troubled to hear of any disappointment with Toto as I've thought of them as being the gold-standard: I was going to replace the WCs in my current place with Toto but that got set on-hold when I started thinking about a full, new build.

I was feeling kind of excited about these wall mounts (and the ones that go right up against the wall- sit on the floor but have the tanks in the wall) until I started thinking about maintenance and my environment/context. I'm on a well. WC tanks got a bit crudded up (rust); I have done a lot of work to mitigate all this (long story), but it just sits there in the back of my mind; it's a feeling similar to thinking about on-demand water heaters caking up with calcium (I don't have calcium issues), having such units installed inside walls (which, of course, one shouldn't do, but you get the idea). Also, having water connections in a wall makes me a bit nervous: I realize that hidden connections are common; it's just something that I'd have to get over I suppose.

People commenting on Kohler products complained about insufficient water. Kohler said to raise the water level in the tank: seems pretty obvious to me! I didn't look over the installation documentation, in which case maybe it's noted there, but it seems it should be mandatory to have an access point post-installation: one can often see access panels in commercial installations; if you don't see one from the user-side then there's one on the back side of the wall.

Formula One champions Mercedes are going through an "exercise in humility" after years of success but they will be stronger for it, team boss Toto Wolff said after more pain in Saudi Arabia on Sunday.

Mercedes' seven-time world champion Lewis Hamilton finished 10th, the last of the points-paying positions, after failing to make it through the first phase of qualifying at Jeddah's Corniche street circuit.

Resurgent Ferrari lead the constructors' standings after two races, with Charles Leclerc top of the drivers' championship after leading a one-two win in Bahrain and taking second place in Saudi Arabia.

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i have a mutt for lack of a better word who is almost 3. We have gotten two bloodhounds 4 months ago and Benji has become very aggressive with us since. Nothing we do seems to have helped and are concerned he may bite our nieces and nephews who are all under 8. Any advice or suggestions as to what to do in this situation would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

I can comment on euthanizing aggressive dogs from the standpoint of the person to whom a dog has been aggressive. When I was a child, I was savaged by a Saint Bernard belonging to a friend. I had known this dog most of its life, and played with it without incident. One day I called the dog to come to me, and it ran to me and bit one of my ears off, and caused a laceration that required 182 stitches to close the other side of my scalp. This dog was given away, to someone who should have known better. It killed a child in that household. The dog suffered from a form of epilepsy.

 Personally, I would not hesitate to euthanize a dangerous animal, as long as a reasonable attempt had been made to make the animal safe for those around it. Better to put one down, than risk the animal falling into an abusive or neglectful situation.

So if the dog has, say three times done a level 1 bite to joggers in the park (not my dog!!! this is just an example) then I thought the chances of him suddenly doing an unprovoked level 3 attack on the owner at home were pretty much zero, and management say by muzzling and leashing when out on walks would be sufficient to keep everybody safe.

We have a dog who absolutely hates children. After biting my grandson, we went the trainer and behaviorist route to no avail. If he has access to children, he stalks them and attempts to bite. This is a dog we adopted at 11 months old from a breed specific rescue. We were not told of any of these issues. Though we talked about possibly having him put down, we have decided for now to manage him. When grandkids are here, he stays in another room or is boarded. The rescue offered to take him back but we were afraid he would just be adopted out again and cause turmoil in another family. Management works for us right now because we have no children living in our house.

Thank you so much for your article. I am a fairly new trainer ( 5 years), but do a lot of rescue work and help train fosters too. I have been asked several times if a dog needs to be put down. I ALWAYS refer them first to their vet, and then a behaviorist and I ALWAYS tell them I am not qualified to advise on that.

However I will be giving them copies of your article to help them make better descions.

Thank you.

Rebecca Wilhelmi

( friends with Angela Murray and Karen Johnson, my mentors. )

Thank you Kat for sharing your story with Finna with us. There are so many important things you emphasize in this journey you have taken with her, including the need to be realistic about how much you can accomplish, the need for management, etc. But most of all, your love for Finna shines through with your every comment, and warms each and every one of us.

Nicole: Thanks to you for expanding the conversation. I first began the article for any behavioral problem, but then ran into problems writing the piece; it is already SO long! But you are right that fear and anxiety too can cause tremendous suffering to dogs, and must be considered equally with physical suffering. Thank you for sharing the post about the journey, and for reminding us all that we must keep the health and safety of dogs in our heads and minds as well as our fellow humans.

Interestingly, he did end up forming a strong attachment to a greyhound we adopted at the time (his interactions with Apollo were just adorable). Over the course of the next 2 years, we tried everything we could think of to desensitize him to his anxiety over strange people, including training, medications, etc. I could not rehome him with anyone because he was terrified of strange people. In the end, the only people he could tolerate was me. I had to make the horrible decision of euthanizing a young, perfectly healthy, beautiful cat because his quality of life was relegated to hiding in terror whenever anyone other than me was in the house.

To this day, I still have guilt over having to make that choice, even though logically it was the best thing I could do. Emotionally I was a wreck, and I am always thankful that the vet was so understanding of the situation (even he was upset that there was nothing more that could be done). I think in the end, as was pointed out in the blog, one has to try to step back and look at the quality of life of the dog or cat (or any animal) and balancing that with what our heart wants to do. This, I feel, is the greatest responsibility anyone must undertake when becoming a pet owner. 152ee80cbc

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