Real Multi-Billion Decades Long UFO Programs

In 1997 a small group of UFO people (Edgar Mitchell being one) arranged to brief vice-admiral Thomas Wilson, then the deputy director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, on the UFO topic. He apparently listened politely and said he would investigate, but no one really expected that he would follow up on this. But he did.In June 2019 a document was published online by Richard Dolan <> that showed the AATIP 22 Million UFO program to have been just a minor tip of the iceberg.

It is a 15 page question and answer session between Rear Admiral Thomas Wilson and astrophysicist Eric Davis that claimed the existence of a decades long group of Special Access Programs dedicated to reverse engineering of one or more craft not made on Earth. This group of programs had budgets on the order of tens to hundreds of Billion dollars per year, which dwarfs the AATIP program by a factor of thousand or more. Note that Special Access Programs security may spend 90 percent of their budgets on security, disinformation and possibly nefarious activities. As I was once told: a billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you’re talking real money.

Where could such massive funds come from without being detected? That is remarkably in the open today. In June 2011 then-secretary Donald Rumsfeld announced that $2.3 Trillion had gone missing in the Pentagon budget. This would be a likely source for the black UFO programs. (Sometime in the 1990s an audit overseen by a senior military officer, JS, uncovered budget irregularities and threatened to “out” these programs.)

What’s fascinating to read is that Wilson said that he ran into secretary of defense Bill Perry in May 1997 and they “talked about this quietly.” And Perry suggested the same thing as General Ward had. That is, go through the OUSDAT records. Again, this is the Defense Department records pertaining to “acquisition and technology.” Which makes sense.

Wilson then said “they told me” (and I am not sure in this case who the “they” is but it seems to be Ward and Perry) “of a special projects record group not belonging to usual SAP – a special subset of the unacknowledged /carve-outs/waived programs – not belonging to the usual SAP divisions as organized in ‘94 by Perry himself – set apart from [the] rest but buried/covered by conventional SAPs.

After considerable digging through special access records he found a program (actually four related special access programs I believe) and demanded a briefing which his rank and job should have permitted. He was rebuffed and told he had no need to know. Wilson was very angry and determined. A second meeting followed.

The program manager told Wilson they were not a weapons program, not an intelligence program, not any special ops or logistics program. When he asked what they were, there was a loud groan from the Program Manager. But the security director and the corporate attorney said it’s okay, you can tell him.

They told Wilson “they were a reverse engineering program” of “technological hardware” recovered in the past. He wondered, hmmm, reverse engineering Soviet or Chinese technology? They said no, not that. They had an intact craft that they believed could fly. That’s interesting. (a) it’s intact and (b) they had not yet figured out how to fly it but they “believed” it could fly.

They made it clear to Wilson that “they didn’t know where it was from,” although they had ideas about that, but that “it was technology that was not of this Earth – not made by man – not by human hands.”

They also indicated this project had been continuing for “years and year” with “agonizingly slow” progress with “little or no success.” There was a “painful lack of collaboration” with the outside world and a very small number of cleared individuals – somewhere between 400 and 800.

The meeting broke up at that time. Wilson did complain to the Special Access Program Oversight Committee (SAPOC) and was told sorry, they were siding with the contractor so he was out of luck. He was to drop the matter immediately and forget about it. Once again, he got angry. Then they threatened his career. If he didn’t comply, he wouldn’t get the promotion to DIA Director, he would get an early retirement, and would probably lose one or two stars along the way.

The post on the web is considerably more detailed.