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This page is a work in progress. In other words, I will be adding NEW content to this page, so keep checking back to see what’s NEW!
Also, this particular question and answer page will SOLELY be on the TOPIC of the Doctrine of the Trinity!
And the REASON for this question-and-answer page is to show what God can do when we have PATIENCE and NOT give up on Witnessing to NON-Trinitarian Christians.
Below is a video I came across on YouTube on John 1:1 c, which is a “go straight to” verse for nearly all Trinitarian Christians.
This Video shows many MORE translations that I found in a previous research that also say, and the word was “A” god.
Over the course of a decade or more, God has helped me lead several brothers and sisters out of the false doctrine of the Trinity. All of the glory goes to the Father, for He gives the increase!
For some, it only took a few emails, and their eyes were fully opened.
But with others, the exchange of emails back and forth on a weekly basis, sometimes daily and even more than one email a day, it took six months to a year or more for them to fully see that the Doctrine of the Trinity is a false teaching.
God inspired me to start sharing HOW I witness to others so that they can also learn to have patience and trust that He WILL PERFORM His word when we cast our CARE about the person we are witnessing to upon him.
I will not place any of my comments in the emails that Brother Bob has sent to me. Rather, I will post the email that I REPLIED back to Brother Bob.
The first email below was sent to me over a year ago. I want to show you how MUCH Bob has changed his understanding of God’s word over the past year.
Greg- Comments, Questions & Answers!
Greg began writing to me back in January of 2021 and it is now January of 2026.
He used to believe in the Doctrine of the Trinity, but now that God has shown to him that the Doctrine of the Trinity is a false man-made creed or doctrine, he has come up with his own personal view of three persons in One Godhead.
Basically, in my paraphrased version of his word, the Trinity doctrine is FALSE.
The Son had a BEGINNING. But he disagrees with my understanding of the beginning of Jesus being at his virgin birth as the human Son of God.
Rather, he believes that the Son had his beginning in the eternity past before anything was created.
And his line of reasoning is that toe him the Son of God is the CREATOR of ALL THINGS, according to the mistranslated passages of Scripture in Colossians 1:15-18 taken out of its context, and John 1:1-3, which is also incorrectly translated as well.
Later on, Greg CONTRADICTS himself saying the FATHER created the world AFTER the angels rebelled.
And then in that SAME email says that the SON of God MADE or recreated the world.
Let me just quote what he said in his last email to me thus far.
“Well, you have a major problem with how you believe and interpret scripture, as it clearly teaches God the Father created (bārā') the heaven (singular) and the earth. Bārā means to make something out of nothing, which God the Father did.
After the Rebellion there was One that made (ʿāśâ) the heavens (plural) and the earth, which means to make something out of something else; to recreate.
According to scripture the One Who "made" (recreated) the heavens and the earth (the six days creation account in Genesis) was the Word.
The Word is the Son of God, Who manifested in the flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ. This is why is says in the Gospel of John:
"The same (the Word, the Son of God) was in the beginning with God (the Father). All things were made (recreated) by Him (the Word); and without Him (the Word) was not anything made (recreated) that was made (recreated; Jn. 1:2-3).
John 1:3 is telling us something, as "made" is used three times in this verse. It then tells us that the Word (Son of God) became flesh, and dwelt among us (Jn. 1:14) in the Person of Jesus Christ, Who didn't become God, but was God the Son in the flesh. ”
Christians argue that since the word was made flesh and we know John 1:14 is speaking of Jesus, then that MEANS that Jesus IS the WORD.
No, absolutely NOT! The word came out of the MOUTH of God who SAID or who SPOKE words, the pictures in His mind that He alone and by Himself CREATES, according to Isaih 44:24 and Isaiah 50:11.
With that being said, here is one of Greg’s more recent emails that he sent to me after God “reminded” him of my website AMatterOfTruth.com, which no longer exists as a DOT com website because I deleted it ACCIDENTALLY and was locked out myself.
And that earlier email was FIVE years ago almost to the day.
Anyway, I managed to build that website back with a new LOOK but with the same studies plus a whole lot MORE under the name AMatterOfTruth without the DOT com.
And if you do not find that website in your search engine then use either of the two LINKS below:
With that being said here is what Greg wrote to me around three weeks ago in January of 2026.
Hi Mark,
It's been awhile since we last communicated. The last time we emailed each other was when you had your old website. Back then you gave me your new website, but I forgot the name of it.
That said, you came to my mind this morning, and I remembered the name of your website, so here I am to hopefully resume our discussion. Our discussion concerned your belief that Jesus Christ became God, and not that He was God in the flesh (from the time He was born), which is something I totally and completely refute, not because I don't want to believe it, but because scripture does not teach that.
That said, after my last communication with you, during my absence I prayed and asked the Lord to open my heart and mind to the truth concerning this matter, and this is what He revealed to me by the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit brought to my attention Jesus' title: the Son of God; to study it. If we pay close attention to His title, the Son of God, scripture shows He didn't become God, but was of God, Who manifested in the flesh.
In other words, before anything was created (bara), God the Father emanated out of His Own Self, the Son, Who manifested in the flesh at the appointed time.
The Son was not created, rather He came forth from the belly of the Father before anything was created, the firstborn of every creature. (John 1:18; Col. 1:15).
Further support that Jesus didn't become God, but was God in the flesh, is supported by understanding the creation account in Genesis 1, which when understood, should end all discussion on this matter.
Furthermore, understanding the truth on this matter reveals God is: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, the Godhead; that the Trinity Doctrine is wrong (which comes from men), but still God is Three Persons in one: Trinity Doctrine (wrong) vs. the Godhead Doctrine (correct).
I hope to hear from you, blessings and Happy New Year,
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Here is my reply to the above email that Greg sent to me, which I believe that the Holy Spirit led him back to me to learn God’s truth.
So then, my response or answer is quite long. For you see, how could Jesus bring GLORY to his God if the Son was NOT a creation OF God?
Hi Greg.
First let me say that I am blessed to hear that you see that the Doctrine of the Trinity is a FALSE teaching.
But I feel that you have simply RENAMED the same doctrine.
So, I may make references in this email about the doctrine of the Trinity being false.
This is NOT to say that I did NOT see your words saying that the Trinity is WRONG!
My point is, that the three persons in one Godhead, is also wrong.
And prayerfully you will see that it is wrong in this email.
You say that you were led by the Holy Spirit to study the title of Jesus as being the Son of God.
And I sincerely believe you were!
But my question is how deeply did you study the term, Son of God?
I do not mean to criticize in any way!
What method of study did you use?
When I did my study on the same subject, I truly considered all of the verses with the phrases, Son of God and Son of Man and compared them in relation to Jesus.
We can look at the Old Testament later, but for now, the phrase Son of God is only found one time in the Old Testament in Daniel 3:25.
Was that being the Pre-existing Son of Man or was that being an angel, one of the many sons of God?
Keep in mind that there were no capital letters, and the opinions of Bible Scholars are not our teacher, the Holy Spirit is our teacher.
We can't serve two masters.
The Holy Spirit is my teacher. I made that choice at age 23, and I am now 70 years of age.
And I only share what I know came from the Holy Spirit because when He revealed answers to my questions that went against church traditions, I point blank said to God, You will have to PROVE that to me from the SCRIPTURES.
Old Testament:
Son of God = 1 time in Daniel 3:25.
Son of man = 108 times,
A. Numbers = 1 time. Numbers 23:19, which I find very interesting indeed!
B. Job = 2 times. Job 25:6 and Job 35:8
C. Psalm = 4 times. Psalm 8:4, a definite undeniable prophecy of Jesus! Psalm 80:17; 144:3; 146:3
D. Isaiah = 2 times. Isaiah 51:12 and Isaiah 56:2
E. Jeremiah = 4 times. Jermiah 49:18,33; 50:30; 51:43.
F. Ezekiel = 93 times. Many are definitely prophecies of Jesus.
G. Daniel = 2 times. Daniel 7:13 and 8:17.
New Testament:
Son of God = 47 times and ALL referring to Jesus.
Son of Man = 89 times and ALL 89 referring to Jesus 42 times more than the title Son of God! Interesting!
When I read and "studied", meditated, thought on, pondered on all the above verses, I came across this passage of Scripture that really made me THINK.
Joh 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.
(Deuteronomy 18:15-18. A Prophet will God raise up)
Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
Joh 1:50 Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these.
Joh 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
Nathanael calls Jesus by two titles, the Son of God and the King of Israel.
Revelation to me about the second title came later for me.
But Jesus turning the words of Nathanael back around from Son of God to the Son of MAN really opened my eyes.
Then I compared the number of times for each title, and I saw that Jesus was referred to as the Son of MAN almost twice and many times as the title Son of God. I just found that to be very interesting to ME.
Most of the Son of MAN phrases are in the four Gospels. And of those 85 times, ALL but 2 times in 1 verse, Jesus was referring to himself as being the Son of MAN.
That 1 verse is a question about Christ, their Messiah not dying, and Jesus just told them how the Son of man would die.
They did not understand that their Messiah would be cut off, but not for himself prophecy in Daniel
Joh 12:33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.
Joh 12:34 The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth forever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? Who is this Son of man?
Notice that Jesus said the Son of MAN must be lifted up!
And when Jesus returns, he is coming as the Son of MAN!
Only four times out of the 47 times does Jesus refer directly to himself by the title the Son of God.
Jhn_5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Jhn_9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?
Jhn_10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jhn_11:4 When Jesus heard that, he said, This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God might be glorified thereby.
Then the leaders of the Jesus CLAIM that Jesus is worthy of death because their own personal interpretation of the words of Jesus was that he was MAKING HIMSELF to be the Son of God!
Jhn_19:7 The Jews answered him, We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, because he made himself the Son of God.
Then John tells us the very REASON for WHY he wrote the Gospel of John!
Jhn_20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God;
(Which can also be translated as Jesus is the ANOINTED, ONE, Son of God) and that believing ye might have life through his NAME.
We will come back to believing upon the NAME in order to be saved later on.
But for now, let us take a look at the context of John 5:25, where Jesus directly refers to himself by the title Son of God!
The Authority of the Son (Speaking of the Son of man's FIRST Anointing at his Baptism by John when the Holy Spirit descended down from heaven and remained upon Jesus to dwell in him. This first anointing was a PORTION of the Holy Spirit, because of three reasons. #1. During his ministry before the cross, the Son could do nothing of himself and he only spoke the words that his God gave him to speak, and did only what his God showed him to do. #2. It did not PLEASE God for the FULLNESS of Divinity to dwell in his body until AFTER the cross and resurrection, according to Colossians 1:19 and Colossians 2:9. and #3 is in this passage of Scripture.
Joh 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom He (the Father) will. (For Jesus came not do do his OWN will, but the Will of Him who sent or COMMISSIONED him, AKA, ANOINTED him with the Holy Spirit and POWER, for God was WITH him, according to Acts 10:38)
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: (And according to Matthew 28:18, it was after the Resurrection that the Son of MAN, was GIVEN all power and AUTHORITY)
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (Notice TWO periods of TIME associated with the HOUR. This TIME in the future that is COMING, and the TIME that is during his ministry before the cross)
Joh 5:26 For AS the Father hath life in himself; SO hath He GIVEN to the Son to have life in himself; (NOT RETURNED to the Son)
Joh 5:27 AND hath GIVEN him authority to execute judgment ALSO, (WHY/) BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN. (NOT because he is Almighty God himself in the flesh, and NOT because he is the Son of God, but SPECIFICALLY stated as, BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN as being the REASON for WHY his God GAVE him ETERNAL LIFE to be having in himself and ALSO GAVE Jesus ALL POWER and AUTHORITY to execute judgment, the WRATH and Vengeance of God at his coming, according to Psalm 149:4-9 and other verses that I will have to look up later if you need them)
Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
Witnesses to Jesus
Joh 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
So then, WHEN was the SON Made or SET to be the King over the whole earth during the world to come, and WHO SET the Son to be Yahweh's King to rule in the NAME of Yahweh, according to the Prophecy in Psalm 2 and the words of Jesus in John 18:37?
WHEN was the Son MADE our High Priest, according to Hebrews 5:5 and Acts 13:33,34?
WHEN was the Son MADE Lord, according to Acts 2:36?
WHEN was the Son MADE Christ, the Messiah, and ANOINTED the SECOND time, according to Acts 2:36 and Hebrews I:9?
WHEN was the Son ANOINTED to be seated on the THRONE to be ABOVE his FELLOWS, according to Hebrews 1:9?
WHEN were the angels MADE SUBJECT to the Son, according to 1 Peter 3:22?
WHEN was the Son SET at the Right Hand of the Father in Heavenly places, according to Ephesians 1:3?
WHEN did the Son OBTAIN a more excellent NAME that the Angels by INHERITANCE, according to Hebrews 1:9?
WHEN was the Son GIVEN a NAME that is above every other name SO THAT AT the NAME every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus is Lord TO the GLORY of God the Father?
I could keep going if you like.
My point is that all Christians have TWO choices concerning the MEANING of the title the Son of God.
#1. Was the HUMAN Son of God given the POWER to BECOME the ETERNAL Son of God?
#2. Was the ETERNAL Son of God made to become FLESH as "some" if not most Trinitarian Christians dogmatically demand in order to be SAVED, espectially the hard core Trinitarian "apoplogists"?
Flip a COIN and HEADS, #1 wins and TAILS #2 loses.
At his birth we see the words, he SHALL be CALLED the Son of the highest.
Let's read that prophecy.
Luk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Now read Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by (or through and because of) the resurrection from the dead:
2 Co 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. (After the flesh, speaking of mortal flesh that dies and sees corruption)
In other words, there were the DAYS of his FLESH and then came the DAY his God GLORIFIED the human Son of man to be made a PARTAKER of the DIVINE NATURE of immortality, according to the above verse and also according to 2 Peter 1:4, which DEFINES the MEANING of "DIVINE" nature as a promise for us to ALSO be made partakers.
John 17:22 Jesus said the SAME GLORY that his God GAVE to him we also shall be GIVEN.
So then, for ME, I see that the Scriptures teach us that we are the sons of God the very moment we are given the Holy Spirit to DWELL in us.
And it is the POWER of the Holy Spirit dwelling in us that empowers us to BECOME the Eternal sons of God at the coming of Jesus.
For when we see him we shall be like him.
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
So, while Jesus was called the Christ before the cross, he was not yet MADE the Christ until after the cross and resurrection.
And while Jesus was called the Son of God before the cross, he was not GIVEN Eternal Life to be having in himself until AFTER the cross and resurrection.
The Son was FOUND WORTHY to RECEIVE power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing, AFTER he was SLAIN, according to Revelation 5:12.
So, I see Jesus MADE just like the Apostles teach us in Hebrews 2:5-10, and verse 10 says God made the Captain of our salvation PERFECT through sufferings.
I see Jesus CREATED in the womb of the Virgin Mary the moment she BELIEVED, according to Luke and Jeremiah 31:32.
Let's go ahead and read that prophecy, because the BACKSLIDING daughter may very well be referring to Trinitarian Christians, and I will explain why I say this in a moment.
Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding daughter? FOR (Or BECAUSE) the LORD hath CREATED a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.
Here is the commentary on this prophecy:
A woman: נקבה תסובב גבר [H5347], literally "A female ('one who is only a woman, not a wife, namely a virgin,' says Cocceius) shall encompass a man," or a male child. Comp. Job_3:3. Which, together with the addition of a new creation, may well be understood to denote the miraculous conception. Hence the Jews have applied it determinately to the Messiah. In Berashith Rabba (Parash 89) it is said, that as God punished Israel in a virgin, so would he also heal; and in Midrash Tillim, on Psa_2:1-12, R. Huna, in the name of R. Idi, speaking of the sufferings of the Messiah, says, that when his hour is come, God shall say, "I must create him with a new creation; and so he saith, This day I have begotten thee." Gen_3:15; Isa_7:14; Mat_1:21; Luk_1:34-35; Gal_4:4
And another MEANING of the Hebrew word that is translated as "backsliding" as word often used by Christians is as follows:
H7728
שׁוֹבֵב
shôbêb
sho-babe'
From H7725; apostate, that is, heathenish or (actually) heathen: - backsliding.
Total KJV occurrences: 3.
WOW! Jer 31:22 How long wilt thou go about, O thou backsliding APOSTATE daughter? for the LORD hath created a new thing in the earth, A woman shall compass a man.
All one needs to do is to closely examine how the doctrine of the Trinity developed over the period of three hundred plus years to see that it was NOT taught by the Apostles in the New Testament.
The Roman Catholic Church played a HUGE role in forming DOGMA, which we call church doctrine.
Here is what I found extremely interesting when I did my OWN research.
I was totally shocked when I read that ALL of the Christians at the Council at Chalcedon BELIEVED that Jesus was DEITY.
The DEITY of Jesus was NOT the controversy, but rather, it was over the two questions.
Did DEITY become a MAN?
Did a MAN become DEITY?
I say that the Scriptures clearly teach that the Son of MAN was HIGHLY EXALTED to become a DEITY under and subject to his God who SET him at His Right Hand side on His Throne to rule ONLY over the whole earth and ONLY for 1000 years as the following verses clearly teach:
The Son of MAN was SET at his God and Father’s RIGHT HAND to rule for 1000 years UNTIL the Father puts all enemies under his feet. 16 Verse references:
Psalm 2:6-12,
Psalm 45:3-6,
Psalm 110:1-4
Matthew 22:44,
Mark 12:36,37,
Mark 16:19,
Luke 20:42,43,
Luke 22:69,
Acts 2:34-36,
Ephesians 1:20-22,
1 Corinthians 15:25,
Hebrews 1:13,
Hebrews 8:1,
Hebrews 10:12,13,
Hebrews 12:2,
1 Peter 3:22,
There is one more passage of Scripture that I want you to CLOSELY pay attention to so that you can see the IF the Son LITERALLY existed WITH Yahweh at what SEEMS to be the creation of the earth on the SURFACE, but it is actually Yahweh RESTORING or recreating the earth.
Read Proverbs 8:22-31 with the Son as being the CREATOR in your mind and you will clearly see that the Son does NOT create a single thing.
Let's read Proverbs 8:15-36 so that you can see the Son REIGNING during the world to come along with us ruling and reigning with Jesus. Clearly this Proverb is a PROPHECY.
Proverbs 8:15 By me kings reign, and princes decree justice. (We shall reign WITH Jesus)
Pro 8:16 By me princes rule, and nobles, even all the judges of the earth.
Pro 8:17 I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.
Pro 8:18 Riches and honour are with me; yea, durable riches and righteousness.
Pro 8:19 My fruit is better than gold, yea, than fine gold; and my revenue than choice silver.
Pro 8:20 I lead in the way of righteousness, in the midst of the paths of judgment:
Pro 8:21 That I may cause those that love me to inherit substance; and I will fill their treasures.
Pro 8:22 The LORD (Yahweh) possessed me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet He had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When He prepared the heavens, I was there: when He set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When He established the clouds above: when He strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When He gave to the sea His decree, that the waters should not pass His commandment: when He appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the HABITABLE PART of His earth; and my delights were with the sons of men. (Not yet created)
Pro 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
Pro 8:34 Blessed is the man that heareth me, watching daily at my gates, waiting at the posts of my doors.
Pro 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD. (Yahweh the Creator who OWNS the Earth that the Son INHERITS)
Pro 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.
Now let's look under the surface by looking at the OTHER meanings of the Hebrew words.
Proverbs 8:22. Yahweh POSSESSED me.
H7069
קָנָה
qânâh
kaw-naw'
A primitive root; to erect, that is, create; by extension to procure, especially by purchase (causatively sell); by implication to own: - attain, buy (-er), teach to keep cattle, get, provoke to jealousy, possess (-or), purchase, recover, redeem, X surely, X verily.
Total KJV occurrences: 84.
None of these meanings fit an always existing God the Son.
Proverbs 8:23. I was SET UP...
H5258
נָסַךְ
nâsak
naw-sak'
A primitive root; to pour out, especially a libation, or to cast (metal); by analogy to anoint a king: - cover, melt, offer, (cause to) pour (out), set (up).
Total KJV occurrences: 25
The Lamb was SLAIN from the FOUNDATION of the world. NOT LITERALLY, but a PROPHECY in the MIND and PLAN of God to bring to pass at an appointed time.
The same with the END was I BORN in John 18:37. Jesus was not yet King when he said those words.
Verse 25. mountains SETTLED also means before the mountains SANK under the FLOOD, the DEEP in Genesis 1:2. Also, I was brought forth can be translated as I was WAITED for PATIENTLY and not LITERALLY brought forth. Rather the Son CAME in the VOLUME of the BOOK, according to Psalm 40:7 and Hebrews 10:7.
Verse 26, when the earth was not yet made can be translated as when the earth was not yet BRUISED.
For you see, the earth was NOT HABITABLE in Genesis 1:2 because it was FLOODED above the hills and the mountains.
Verse 27. when he prepared the heavens can be translated as when he FIXED and MADE SURE the heaven to END the war in heaven and imprison the fallen angels to the earth. Also SET a compass means to ordain a boundary around the earth that the fallen angel cannot go past.
Verse 28. established the clouds also means for the clouds to be ALERT. Jesus is coming with ARMIES, Jesus is coming with CLOUDS of heaven.
Verse 29. He gave the SEA His decree to stay in its boundary and the SEA speaking of the wicked in Isaiah 57:20.
Verse 30. The KEY verse that prompted me to look up the meanings of every Hebrew word in this passage of Scripture.
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
H525
אָמוֹן
'âmôn
aw-mone'
From H539, probably in the sense of training; skilled, that is, an architect (like H542): - one brought up.
Total KJV occurrences: 1
H539
H539
אָמַן
'âman
aw-man'
A primitive root; properly to build up or support; to foster as a parent or nurse; figuratively to render (or be) firm or faithful, to trust or believe, to be permanent or quiet; morally to be true or certain; once (in Isa_30:21; by interchange for H541) to go to the right hand: - hence assurance, believe, bring up, establish, + fail, be faithful (of long continuance, stedfast, sure, surely, trusty, verified), nurse, (-ing father), (put), trust, turn to the right.
Total KJV occurrences: 108.
A FOSTER child can later be ADOPTED by the one doing the fostering.
Just look at all of the Prophecies of Yahweh HOLDING his HAND.
Does that sound like an Almighty God the Son during the days of his FLESH when the Son could do NOTHING of himself?
Also, THEN I was BY Him can be translated as The I coming to BE JOINING Him at His SIDE, which is exactly what was FULFILLED.
Proverbs 8:31.
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, (This is my Son in whom I am well pleased. Or this is my CHOSEN one whom I will make my Eternal Son to INHERIT the AGES, the FIRST of MANY sons I am conforming in my dear Son's IMAGE) rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the HABITABLE PART of His earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
The Earth BECAME void and without from during the WRATH of God.
You may say, no way brother Mark, but have you TRULY done your OWN research on ALL the verses that are translated in such a way that they APPEAR to be about the original creation of the heavens and the earth?
Look at Job that says, He HANGETH the earth upon NOTHING.
It sure sounds like God creating the earth and hanging it in outer space upon nothing.
But when you read the CONTEXT you clearly see God's WRATH.
And when I saw that, I asked God, WHY were you ANGRY when nothing at all existed except for You.
And He said read it again,
I did not see what He was trying to get me to see, and He said look up the meanings of the Hebrew words.
Job 26:7 He stretcheth outH5186 the northH6828 overH5921 the empty place,H8414 and hangethH8518 the earthH776 uponH5921 nothing.H1099
Corrected Job 26:7 to AGREE with its CONTEXT of God's REPROOF.
He, Yahweh, OVERTHREW the DARKNESS above that was AGAINST Him to be WASTE, and SUSPENDED the earth concerning its END DESTRUCTION.
Simply ask yourself a few questions.
WHEN was the FIRE to destroy Satan and his angels PREPARED?
WHY is God WAITING to destroy Satan and the fallen Elohim?
WILL the earth pass away and the element melt with fervent heat?
WHY would God ORIGINALLY create the earth 6,000 years ago and give prophecy of the earth's destruction just 7,000 years later.
Why would God tell us to ASK Him about the AGE before He created man upon the earth?
WHY would God let Satan LOOSE for a little season after Satan is BOUND for a 1000 years so he cannot DECEIVE the nations during that time?
WHY would God MAKE man and the Son of MAN to STILL His ENEMIES, when He is Almighty and He could have destroyed the fallen gods 6,000 years ago.
WHY did God say to the anointed Cherub that He created him PERFECT?
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Now read Isaiah 14:12-14.
Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
God's NAME is being BLASPHEMED by His ENEMIES.
Blaspheming God is accusing God of doing something God did NOT do.
And also CLAIMING that God did NOT do what He DID do, such as Jesus casting out devils by the Spirit of God and the leaders of the Jews accusing Jesus casting out devils by the power of Satan.
So, to me, Lucifer, BLAMED God for CREATING him with a rebellious nature, and thus, the war in heaven is God's FAULT, according to Satan.
So, to CLEAR his NAME, He said to His council of Elohim, Let us make MAN in our image.
The word FOUNDATION means to sit down together to SETTLE a MATTER.
And the MATTER is the FALSE accusation that God is a faulty CREATOR.
So by one MAN sin entered the world and by ONE MAN.., and by ONE MAN, Jesus ANOINTED, the free gift by grace.
To me, Jesus has to be a CREATION of God, otherwise, God would be a liar and have to repent, according to Numbers 23:19.
Now, you can twist that Scripture like Trinitarian apologists have done.
If there are TRUTHFUL witnesses, then there are FALSE or lying witnesses.
So then, if I am correct in believing what Numbers 23:19 plainly says, then I will be found by God to be a TRUTHFUL WITNESS for Him.
And if I am WRONG about Numbers 23:19 and God did BECOME the Son of MAN, then would be found by God to be a FALSE witness.
But if God did indeed BECOME the Son of MAN, then would that not also mean that God BECAME MAN as well?
My point is that however one INTERPRETS Numbers 23:19 DETERMINES whether they will be found by God as a TRUTHFUL WITNESS or found to be by God as a FALSE WITNESS.
Then there is the warning in Revelation 22:14,15 that whosoever LOVE and MAKES a LIE will NOT be allowed to ENTER into the City of God.
So, LOVING God and His Son appears to have a warning attached to NOT MAKE a LIE such as you have to pray to Mary because no one can go straight to Jesus because Jesus is full of WRATH and Mary knows how to get your prayers answered.
You may never have heard that before unless you were raised as a Catholic like me.
So thankful that God brought me out of the apostisized church denomination.
Many protesters BEGAN reforming the many Catholic doctrines, but, in my opinion, the Protestants need to take a closer look at their own doctrines as KEEP ON REFORMING then until they agree with the Doctrines of the Apostles.
And in my own opinion, that includes the man-made doctrine of the Trinity. And also cease using that word to describe God.
Let me say a few more things.
Every verse, all three of them in the KJV that have the word Godhead in them refer to the Father ALONE.
There is only ONE Eternal Spirit who is the Father alone.
There are only TWO THRONES not THREE.
Several Scriptures point to the Holy Spirit as BEING the Father and NOT a separate third person, which would consequently cause there to be TWO Eternal Spirits.
Even after being Highly Exalted the Son is still under and subject to his God and Father.
Last point:
Here is a PICTURE of the TRINITY God.
All three persons are EQUAL in the eternity past.
The SON says that he will go down and BECOME flesh.
And nowhere are then any PROPHECIES to support this theory of God coming down from heaven to be INCARNATED to become flesh.
And there are no verses that teach the Son will be RESTORED back to no longer be FLESH.
So, to me, rather than being HIGHLY EXALTED, it SEEM as if God the Son was demoted to permanently be the Son of MAN. That is to say, IF that is truly what happened, which I do not believe that the Scriptures teach that.
All but 7 places in the New Testament the word LOGOS is ALWAYS the word of God that came out of the MOUTH of God.
But all of a sudden, the word magically becomes a Spirit being who was WITH God and who WAS God.
And that interpretation consequent causes there to now be THREE separate Spirits who are ONE God, when the Bible clearly teaches that there is ONE Eternal Spirit and that the GLORIFIED Jesus is NOT a Spirit according to his own words in Luke 24:39.
If your INTENT is to TRY to convert me to Trinitarianism or to the belief that God BECAME A MAN, then you are wasting your time.
Nor will anyone convert me to believe that God made Himself a BODY and then entered into that body in the womb of the Virgin Mary to be born as God the Son. Hebrews says YOU have made ME a body, which is speaking of the already existing HUMAN Son's NEW IMMORTAL body.
Now, if you want to hear MORE of WHY I believe what I believe then you are NOT wasting your time.
Brother Mark.
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Hi Mark,
So both of us say that things in scripture were revealed to us by the Holy Spirit, the Teacher of His written word. You believe one way and I believe another. That said, both of us cannot be right. Now it is possible that both of us might be wrong, but I highly doubt that I'm wrong only because the things that were revealed to me have, and are, coming to pass. That said, scripture tells us to test the spirits, so I would like to ask you two questions 1) besides telling me it's the Good News, what is the Gospel? and 2) how does one receive the Holy Spirit?
Greg
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And here is my reply back to the email above. Here are some of the things I have noticed when witnessing to other Christians, and they DISGREE with you.
#1. They will say they disagree followed by “Let’s just agree to DISAGREE! Which means to me to be saying. “Let’s NOT keep trying to come into the UNITY of the faith delivered to us from the Apostles of Jesus Anointed.
# 2. You are listening to Satan’s LIES! And I could say the same back to them, but hopefully in a more respectful way.
#3. You are not even SAVED because you reject Jesus being Almighty God Himself in the Flesh! Which they mean as God Himself BECOMING flesh. And that contradicts Numbers 23:19 and Hosea 11:9.
#4. You have NOT been baptised with the Holy Spirit! Which means basically the same as all three of the above replies combined as one. And again, I could say the same to them, but I NEVER will JUDGE another Christian as NOT being SAVED! We are only to judge the FRUIT that they bear. And disagreeing with a brother or sister in how they INTERPRET the Scripture is not a FRUIT.
With that being said, here is my answer to Greg and to all Christians.
Hi Greg.
First, let me say that you did indeed hear from the Holy Spirit to study the phrase Son of God.
And you did indeed hear from the Holy Spirit who reminded you of my website.
So, do not stop listening to the Holy Spirit just because your "flesh" disagrees with what the Holy Spirit has shown to me.
The evidence you gave was that Jesus is of God.
Matthew 4:4 says that man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the "mouth" OF God.
We are born OF God, but that does not make us to be God in the flesh.
God dwells IN us and God dwelt IN Jesus.
God dwelling in us does not make us to be God, so why would God dwelling in Jesus make Jesus to be God?
In all honesty, did you read and STUDY all that I wrote?
Did you look up the three verses, in order to see that I am telling you the truth about the word Godhead?
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Rom_1:20 ForG1063 theG3588 invisible thingsG517 of himG846 fromG575 the creationG2937 of the worldG2889 are clearly seen,G2529 being understoodG3539 by theG3588 things that areG4161 made, even(G5037 G3739) hisG848 eternalG126 powerG1411 andG2532 Godhead;G2305 so that theyG846 areG1511 without excuse:G379
Col_2:9 ForG3754 inG1722 himG846 dwellethG2730 allG3956 theG3588 fulnessG4138 of theG3588 GodheadG2320 bodily.G4985
Did you notice that the English word “Godhead” is “translated” for three different forms or the root Greek word?
Godhead G2304, which is from G2316, the Greek word “theos”, that means God the Creator, a god under and subject to his Creator, and gods, referring to the angels wrongly worshiped as gods.
But this form of “theos” means godlike in character. It means Divine in nature. And it is a “name” or a title of deities in the plural, meaning more than one Deity.
Found in the context of Acts 17:19-34. Clearly, the Godhead will judge the world by the MAN whom He ORDAINED and raised from the DEAD, who was made a partaker of the Divine Nature having the godlike character of his God and Creator.
Godhead G2305, which comes from G2304, that is from G2316, the Greek word “theos”, that means God the Creator, a god under and subject to his Creator, and gods, referring to the angels wrongly worshiped as gods.
This Greek word is found in Romans 1:20.
Romans 1:20.
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”
Notice that it is the Eternal Godhead who made all things, including Jesus, according to Hebrews 2:9 that is quoting Psalm 8:5.
Hebrews 2:9.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.”
This is HOW the very Apostles understood the Son of God to BE.
Godhead G2320, which is from G2316, the Greek word “theos”, that means God the Creator, a god under and subject to his Creator, and gods, referring to the angels wrongly worshiped as gods.
This word is found in Colossians 2:9, which CONTEXT is all of Colossians Chapter 1, the context of Colossians 1:19, where we see that it PLEASED the Father for the FULLNESS
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
WHY? Why does to Fullness of Deity NOW DWELL in the Body of Jesus when at his baptism only a PORTION of the Deity dwelt in him? The answer is in the CONTEXT in chapter 1.
Colossians 1:18. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:19. For it PLEASED the Father that in him SHOULD all fulness dwell;
Now read Philippians 2:8-11.
Philippians 2:8. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Philippians 2:9. Wherefore (Or for this very REASON that the Son of MAN became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross) God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Philippians 2:10. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Philippians 2:11. And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Do not prejudge what I teach until you hear the WHOLE matter.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
Did you truly hear what I wrote to you in my previous email showing you Proverbs 8:22-31, or just skim over it?
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Greg replied to the above email with what I already know is a trick question, because he asked the SAME question five years ago and I did not answer it according to his own personal definition of what the Gospel means to “him”.
Notice that in my reply, I simply quoted Scripture and gave none of my opinion as to what any of the verses mean.
But he will reply back INFORMING me what the Gospel is and he does not make any comments about ANY of the verses of Scripture that I sent to him.
That tells me that his MOTIVE is NOT to learn the TRUTH, but to SET me straight by informing me of “his” truth.
Follow along and see if you see the same thing.
Hi Mark.
“What does the gospel mean to you? And don;t give me the pat answer that it means good news.
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Hi Greg.
Sounds like a trick question.
The Gospel is the message of how to be saved.
1 Corinthians 1:21. For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Here is what the Scriptures say concerning how to be saved. Obviously there are more, but these should be enough when joined with Romans 10:8-15.
Romans 5:10. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 8:24. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
1 Peter 3:20. Which sometimes were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Ephesians 2:8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Romans 8:24. For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
1 Corinthians 1:18. For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
1 Corinthians 15:2. By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
2 Corinthians 2:15. For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
Ephesians 2:5. Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
Matthew 10:22. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Matthew 24:13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 13:13. And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mark 16:16. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
John 10:9. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
Acts 2:21. And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Acts 11:14. Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.
Acts 15:11. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Romans 5:9. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Romans 5:10. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
Romans 9:27. Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
Romans 10:13. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 11:26. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
1 Corinthians 3:15. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1 Timothy 2:15. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
Revelation 21:24. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
Acts 8:15. Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
Acts 8:19. Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
Acts 2:38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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After Greg replied back, I remember that it was the EXACT answer he gave me five years ago.
That confirmed my suspicion that his motive for writing to me was to CORRECT what I teach concerning the Son of MAN being HIGHLY EXALTED to BECOME a God under and subject to his God and Creator.
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Mark, the Gospel is His Law, the Ten Commandments (TC). How we know God is when we walk after and keep His Commandments.
God the Father made it possible for us to do the gospel by the power and help of the Holy Spirit. Whom we receive when we confess and repent of our sins, with godly sorrow, upon hearing and believing the testimony (life, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension) of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who manifested in the flesh.
Since you do not believe He was the Son of God in the flesh, but rather became God, it's not possible for you to receive the Holy Spirit, simply because you do not believe Who He said He was, the Son of God, while in the flesh.
Jesus Christ did not become God, rather He was the Son of God that manifested in the flesh. Or do you fail to understand that the Son of God was with God the Father in the beginning, before anything was created?
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Here is my answer or response back to Greg.
Notice that I quote a literal translation to Greg which translates the Greek word “logos” as the SAYING” as opposed to translating it as the word or as the Word.
I point this out because Greg makes no other comment concerning any of the scriptures I quoted AFTER the literal translation I quoted.
Now, I could be wrong, but I perceive that as soon as he found something that he DISGREED with, then he STOPPED reading the REST of what I wrote.
And again. That tells me that at this point in time, God has not gotten through to Greg to LISTEN to the WHOLE matter BEFORE you JUDGE the matter.
But, I have faith that God will break through his stubbornness to open his EYES to SEE the Creator’s truth.
Here is my reply to Grag.
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Hi Greg.
I agree, God gives us power to become the sons of God even though we are already called the sons of God in the days of our flesh.
And if one turns away to return to living in a lifestyle of sin and never repents of his or her disobedience of not keeping the commands, then they will NOT be made partakers of the Divine Nature of immortality to become the eternal sons of God.
Here is how I understand John 1:1,14.
In the beginning was the saying, and the saying was toward the God, and a God was the saying, because that is what was FULFILLED.
Jesus is a God under and subject to his God who made the man He approved both Lord and Messiah after the cross.
Therefore, John 1:14 literally means, And the Word, the SAYING, the Prophecy fulfilled, was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Jesus was not born with glory, he RECEIVE the Glory when he was BEGOTTEN of the Father from the DEAD and given the Divine Nature of immortality, according to Acts 13:33,34, the DAY he was BEGOTTEN by his God to never die again. And according to John 5:22-27.
John 5:22. For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23. That (Or so THAT) all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honors not the Son honors not the Father which has sent (Or SENDS) him. (Jesus will not rule as King over the whole earth until the Father SENDS him in the World to Come)
John 5:24. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hears my word, and believes on him that sent (SENDS) me, has everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
John 5:25. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. (The hour that NOW IS speaks of this present age to hear his voice and be SAVED from being dead in our sins. And the hour that is COMING speaks of the World to Come when those who sleep in Jesus are resurrected and given eternal life to be made partakers of the Divine Nature to be like Jesus when we see him as he is)
John. 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself; so has he given to the Son to have life in himself; (Not returned, not restored, but GIVEN to the Son to be HAVING life that he never had before)
John 5:27. And has GIVEN him authority to execute judgment also, BECAUSE he is the Son of MAN.
Not because Jesus was God in the flesh.
Not because Jesus was the Son of God.
But BECAUSE Jesus was the Son of MAN!
I believe and CONFESS that Jesus is the Christ, the Son OF the Living God, and I call Jesus Lord to the GLORY OF the God the Father.
I did this from age 23 and I still do the same today.
The only difference is that I now KNOW and understand that the God OF Jesus GAVE him a NEW NAME after the cross and resurrection.
Which is something you may have heard before, but you do not yet KNOW and UNDERSTAND what the Son of MAN being GIVEN a NEW name actually means.
Otherwise, if you DO know and understand what his NEW name that he RECEIVED after the cross and resurrection truly means, then you will understand that the Son of MAN was SET on his God's throne to rule and reign over the whole earth during the world to come for 1000 years.
You would know and understand in your HEART that his God made him both Lord and Messiah AFTER the cross and resurrection.
And you would know and UNDERSTAND that HIS God set him on a Throne saying, Your Throne, O God, is for ever and ever: (Or more correctly translated as for an AGE to and AGE, because the Son will only rule over the whole earth for 1000 years and then he will commit the kingdom back into the Father's hands, according to 1 Corinthians 15:20-28) a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Heb 1:9 You (The Son of MAN during the days of his FLESH) have LOVED righteousness, and hated iniquity; THEREFORE, (or for this very reason that you have LOVED righteousness and hated iniquity) God, even YOUR God, hath ANOINTED you with the oil of gladness ABOVE your FELLOWS.
G3353
μέτοχος
metochos
met'-okh-os
From G3348; participant, that is, (as noun) a sharer; by implication an associate: - fellow, partaker, partner.
Total KJV occurrences: 6.
We who believe are the FELLOWS of Jesus. We will be made PARTAKERS of the Divine Nature, according to 2 Peter 1:4. We are SHARERS with Jesus by being JOINT-HEIRS with Jesus, according to Romans 8:17.
God is the HEAD of Christ and Jesus is the Head of the Body, the Church, who is the BEGINNING!
The beginning of WHAT?
The beginning of the Church of the FIRSTBORN!
By being the firstborn from the DEAD!
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
WHY?
Col 1:19 For it PLEASED the Father that IN him should all FULLNESS dwell;
WHAT fullness?
Col 2:8 BEWARE (Greg) lest any man SPOIL you through PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, after the TRADITION of men, after the rudiments of the world, and NOT after CHRIST. (which means ANOINTING)
Col 2:9 For IN him dwells all the FULNESS of the Godhead bodily.
WHEN?\
After the Son PLEASED the Father to LEARN OBEDIENCE to do ALL the Will of his God EVEN to DIE on the cross according to Philippians 2:8-11.
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. (Jesus suffered being TEMPTED to do his OWN will sweating great drops of blood, and God cannot be TEMPTED)
Php 2:9 WHEREFORE, (Or for this very REASON that the Son of MAN BECAME OBEDIENT to NOT do his OWN will and say, NOT MY will but YOUR will be done) God also has HIGHLY EXALTED him, and GIVEN him a NAME which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That AT THE name of Jesus (The NEW NAME he just RECEIVED) every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father
Acts 2:36. Therefore let all the house of Israel KNOW ASSUREDLY, that God has MADE that same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now, seeing and UNDERSTANDING to KNOW ASSUREDLY that the God OFJesus MADE him to BECOME a Lord after the cross BECAUSE he was the Son of MAN
And also seeing and UNDERSTANDING to KNOW ASSUREDLY that the God OFJesus SET him to BECOME a King after the cross BECAUSE it was the Son of MAN who suffered and died on the Cross and was BEGOTTEN from the DEAD to be made the Head over the Church.
Then why can you not see and UNDERSTANDING to KNOW ASSUREDLY that the God OFJesus GAVE all the FULLNESS of DIVINITY to DWELL IN him AFTER it PLEASED the Father and the CONTEXT being after the Son of MAN being raised from the DEAD.
Col 1:19 For it PLEASED the Father that IN him should all FULLNESS dwell;
WHAT fullness?
Col 2:8 BEWARE (Greg) lest any man SPOIL you through PHILOSOPHY and vain DECEIT, after the TRADITION of men, after the rudiments of the world, and NOT after CHRIST. (which means ANOINTING)
Col 2:9 For IN him dwells all the FULNESS of the Godhead bodily.
Deity DWELLING in the FLESH by being GIVEN the FULLNESS of deity to BEGIN BEING in the FORM of God.
Read the TRUE meaning of the Greek word that is translated in most Bibles as, Who BEING in the form of God...
G5225
ὑπάρχω
huparchō
hoop-ar'-kho
From G5259 and G756; to begin under (quietly), that is, come into existence (be present or at hand); expletively, to exist (as copula or subordinate to an adjective, participle, adverb or preposition, or as auxilliary to principal verb): - after behave, live.
Total KJV occurrences: 47.
Here is the correct translation of Philippians 2:6.
Who, BEGAN being UNDER (quietly) in the FORM OF God, did not even THINK to GRASP to be equal WITH God:
Made in the IMAGE OF his God being the Firstborn of every CREATURE.
And the rest of the CONTEXT teaches WHAT that CREATURE is.
It is the firstborn of every NEW Creature made in the IMAGE of God to be a Child of the RESURRECTION.
Jesus is the FIRST.
Our FORERUNNER.
FIRST to be BEGOTTEN for the DEAD and GIVEN Eternal LIFE!
Is Jesus God AFTER the cross? Absolutely, this I KNOW ASSUREDLY!
Was Jesus God BEFORE the cross? NO! because there are no CLEAR verses that STATE Jesus was God BEFORE the cross.
Every verse that is used to TRY to prove Jesus is God before the cross must be INTERPRETED by READING INTO those verses that Trinitarian Meaning.
And the word WAS GOD can just as easily be translated as, and the SAYING was a God.
Trinitarians and EX-Trinitarians who try to redefine the Trinity Theory always go straight to verses like Colossians 2:17 and argue that Jesus HAS to be God the Son who became flesh, BECAUSE it says BY him were all THINGS created.
But you see, that verse CONTRADICTS Ephesians 2:10.
Eph 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created IN Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.
And by the way, I pray in other tongues most every day and have done so since age 23.
So, do not JUDGE me for not being saved.
You yourself DENY the DOCTRINE of the Trinity and you know that you are still SAVED.
I also TRIED my best to REDEFINE the TRINITY, but nothing worked.
There were always verses that proved each new definition I thought of to be wrong.
Plus, my readers began saying, “You SAID you believe in the Trinity”
And I would constantly have to say, NO, what I said was that I do not believe in the "DOCTRINE" of the Trinity and that the Trinity itself is still true.
But I was WRONG.
God showed me that the Holy Spirit IS the Father and the Father IS the Holy Spirit.
And thus, there are only TWO.
You never see a THIRD THRONE for the Holy Spirit.
Brother Mark.
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Mark,
Concerning John 1:1 & 14, it does not say, "In the beginning was the saying," rather, "In the beginning was the Word." The Word is the Person of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, Who manifested in the flesh. The Word (Jesus Christ, the Son of God) was with God the Father in the beginning (before anything was created). Jesus Christ was the Personification and Character of God the Father, Who exemplified the Father when He was in the flesh. The Person and Character (name) of God the Father is in His Law, the Ten Commandments. And how we know Him (God the Father) is when we walk after and keep His Commandments.
All throughout scripture it teaches the Son of God came into Being before God the Father created anything. Notice that I said the Son came into Being, which means He had a beginning, which is contrary to what the Trinity Doctrine teaches, for it teaches the Son always was, having no beginning or end, which is not scriptural. Rather scripture teaches God the Father emanated out of His Own Self, the Son, before anything was created. In due time, the Son manifested in the flesh, in the Person of Jesus Christ, Who is both the Son of God and the Son of Man. Believing in Jesus' testimony (life, death, burial, resurrection, and ascension) is how He makes it possible for us to walk after and keep His Law via the power and help of the Holy Spirit, Whom we receive when we confess and repent of our sins, with godly sorrow, upon hearing and believing in Jesus' testimony.
Again, since you do not believe Jesus Christ was God in the flesh (from the time He was born), it's not possible for you to receive the Holy Spirit, simply because you do not believe the Son of God manifested in the flesh (you've come to believe in another Jesus). And because of how you believe, it keeps you from interpreting the scriptures correctly.
Until you accept that scripture does not teach Jesus Christ became God, but rather that He was God in the flesh from His birth, we can't have true fellowship, simply because of how you believe.
Greg
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Hi Greg.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Paul endeavored to keep the unity of the faith.
The church was divided even in Paul's day, and he said that there were more corrupting the truth than there were preaching the true Gospel.
Dan 12:3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
I implore you to read the whole study I wrote called Returning to John 1:1 in the First Century
The Apostle Mark founded the first or one of the first Christians churches among the Coptic people in northern Africa and also was involved with the school at Alexandria.
One of, if not the first translations of the Bible into another language other than Greek and Hebrew, was the Coptic language which HAS the indefinite article "a".
And John 1:1 C is translated as, and the word was a god.
Here are some early translations of John 1:2,3 before and around the same time that the KJV was printed. The emphasis is mine.
Please notice that even in the KJV the Greek word “logos” is referred to by the word “SAME”.
Now, the difference in these other TRANSLATIONS is that the “word” in John 1:1 is referred to by the pronoun “it” and NOT by the pronouns “he” and “him” in John 1:2-13.
I left the links to the website where I found these translations. Or you can search the name of the Bible to read that translation online for yourself.
Tyndale(i) 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made.
Coverdale(i) 2 The same was in the begynnynge wt God. 3 All thinges were made by the same, and without the same was made nothinge that was made.
Matthew(i) 2 The same was in the begynnynge wyth God. 3 All thynges were made by it and without it was made nothynge that was made.
Great(i) 2 The same was in the begynnyng wyth God. 3 All thinges were made by it, & wythout it, was made nothynge that was made.
Geneva(i) 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made.
Bishops(i) 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made.
Here are some other translations that were made before, around the same time, and after the KJV to show you that many Bible scholars, as well as common Christians, have always believed, and still believe, that the word in John 1:1 is the spoken word of PROPHECY and NOT a second person of a Godhead Trinity God in the eternity past.
In other words, these Bible scholars believe that “the” word in John 1:1 b was TOWARD the God as opposed to WITH the God.
And they believe that the word that was TOWARD the God was a SPECIFIC word.
And that specific word was the word “god”, or “a god” was the specific word like the word “light” in Genesis 1:3,4 was a SPECIFIC word that God SAID or spoke into existence.
In the quotes of these other translations, the emphasis is mine. Notice the green highlighting is to show that the Wycliffe’s Bible was influenced by the Roman Catholic Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible.
But even being influenced by the Latin translation, the translator translates John 1:1 c as “and God was the word” with a lowercase “w”, as opposed to “and the Word was God” as it was “translated” in the KJV.
14th century: “and God was the word” – Wycliffe’s Bible[35] (translated from the 4th-century Latin Vulgate)[36]
1808: “and the Word was a god” – Thomas Belsham[37] The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome’s[38] New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.
1822: “and the Word was a god” – The New Testament in Greek and English (A. Kneeland, 1822.)
1829: “and the Word was a god” – The Monotessaron; or, The Gospel History According to the Four Evangelists (J. S. Thompson, 1829)
1863: “and the Word was a god” – A Literal Translation of the New Testament (Herman Heinfetter [Pseudonym of Frederick Parker], 1863)
1864: “the LOGOS was God” – A New Emphatic Version (right hand column)
1864: “and a god was the Word” – The Emphatic Diaglott[39] by Benjamin Wilson,[40] New York and London (left hand column interlinear reading)
1867: “and the Son was of God” – The Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible[41]
1879: “and the Word was a god” – Das Evangelium nach Johannes (J. Becker, 1979)
1885: “and the Word was a god” – Concise Commentary on The Holy Bible (R. Young,[42] 1885)
1894: “and the SAYING was God” – Scriveners translation from the Textus Receptus (Basis of KJV / AV translation)
1911: “and [a] God was the word” – The Coptic Version of the New Testament in the Southern Dialect, by George William Horner.[43]
1924: “the Logos was divine” – The Bible: James Moffatt Translation, by James Moffatt.[44
Now, NONE of the above translations are what is labeled as the MODERN translations by the KJV ONLY Christians.
The so-called “modern” translations did not begin to be published until 1978, which is when the New International Version was first published.
And the New King James Version was published in 1982.
My point is that these MODERN translations actually FOLLOW or MIMIC the KJV in the BIAS toward the doctrine of the Trinity.
Here is my point. There is a 50/50 chance of being right or wrong for both of us.
Judge not lest you are judged by the same.
In other words, you judge me to not be a true born-again Christians who has the Witness of the Holy Spirit dwelling in me based solely on my not believing that a God the Son became flesh.
Numbers 23:19 clearly teaches us that God is not a man and neither is He the Son of man.
Again, that same 50/50 chance of Yahweh meaning what he told Balaam to say to Balak is the TRUTH or is a LIE.
In other words, if a Christians chooses to reason away Numbers 23:19 to side with the doctrine of the Trinity and that God BECAME the Son of man, as you claim.
And Numbers 23:19 is TRUE and God did NOT become a man.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Then what you believe and teach is saying that God is a LIAR.
Balak's name means WASTER, the same as one of Satan's names or terms used to describe him.
Now, what did God say to His Elohim in Genesis 1:26?
Let us make MAN in our image...
The angels are called Elohim in Psalm 8:1-6, and the FALLEN Elohim are God's ENEMIES.
Satan is called THE god with the definite article "THE" in 2 Corinthians 4:4.
2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them, which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Read verse 4 from other translations and it says, ...lest the light of the gospel of GLORY of Christ, who is the IMAGE of God should shine UNTO THEM.
We have all fallen short of the GLORY, because we all have SINNED. Speaking of the SAME GLORY that God GAVE to Jesus, Jesus has promised to us to receive, according to John 17:22.
The prophecy in Psalm 75:6,7 is not just a prophecy of Jesus being PROMOTED, but also a prophecy of the saints being promoted as well.
The ones being PUT DOWN or CUT DOWN are the fallen Elohim, which means gods, and Yahweh will set another, or others in their PLACE to rule and reign as Elohim over the whole earth during the world to come.
But here is the thing that concerns me.
Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, (The we both do, but then so do many unsaved Jews) that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, AND whosoever LOVES and MAKES a LIE.
Now, all Christians LOVE Almighty God and His Son Jesus, but there are MANY FALSE doctrines in the son 42,000 different church denominations.
To me, it is not a true lie when a Christian "PARROTS" what they have been taught by their church denomination.
But AFTER they have been told more than just one time, and especially having been told MANY times that what they believe and teach is FALSE doctrine and they REJECT the TRUTH, then they are CHOOSING to make a LIE.
So for me, I will NEVER say to you, let's just agree to disagree, when it comes to "THIS subject" of saying that God BECAME the Son of MAN.
I can show you a different way to interpret every verse used by Trinitarian Christians to support their man-made doctrine of the Trinity and that God became flesh.
I realize that God has led you OUT of the "DOCTRINE" part of the Trinity.
But you still wrongly believe that Jesus is the creator of all THINGS.
And that is not entirely your own fault, but rather, it is the fault of the translators who were INFLUENCED and DECEIVED by Satan.
Now SOME verses used to support the Trinity were DELIBERATELY altered and even some Trinitarian Bible Scholars openly admit this fact to be TRUE.
Share with me your most CONVINCE verse that PROVES to YOU beyond any shadow of a doubt that Jesus is, without fail, the creator of all THINGS.
Let's start with just ONE verse at a time.
Make me a promise though. After you SEE the evidence and the REASON why I show that the evidence proves a verse has been incorrectly translated, then you can NEVER use that particular verse ever again to argue that it proves Jesus us the creator of all THINGS.
50/50 chance of your three persons in one Godhead view that God became flesh is either right or it is wrong.
And by your own words, you are staking your SALVATION on that view that you are right.
For you said to me that I am not saved simply because I do NOT believe that God or a God the Son BECAME Flesh.
Brother Mark.
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Mark,
Everything you have come to believe, which causes you to interpret the Scriptures in the way that you do, is nothing but dung.
The mere fact that Scripture teaches the Son had a beginning, Who manifested in the flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ at the appointed time, informs us that He was the God/Man in the First Advent. He didn't become God, but was God in the flesh.
The reason He's called the Son of God is because He is of God the Father. Scripture teaches God the Father emanated out of His Own Self, the Son before anything was created, thus why He is called the Son of God, for He is of God the Father.
The last thing I'm going to say to you is this: the written word of God refers to a person like you as a bastard (one who refuses to receive correction), as you have gone into the weeds with the things you've been persuaded to believe and teach, which comes from doctrines of devils. The bottom line is this: you would rather be right than be corrected.
I pray God opens your heart and mind to receive the truth, for what and how you believe and teach is not scriptural.
In Christ,
Greg
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Hi Mark,
Who was Jesus Christ before the creation of the world?
Greg
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Hi Greg
In my understanding of the whole word of God, not individual verses, but the entire Bible, I see that there were ages before Genesis 1: through Revelation 22:21.
And it was "because of" what happened in the previous age right before God "began" to cut down the heavens AND the earth, as the "reason" for why God made man and the son of man a little lower than the Elohim "temporarily", according to Psalm 8:1-6 and Hebrews 2:5-10 along with Psalm 75.
Which is a prophecy of Jesus and his God fixing the heavens and the earth and the God of Jesus giving the new earth yet to be created after this present earth is dissolved.
Look at verses 6-8 that picture the soon coming wrath of God to bind Satan from no longer being the god of this present world and replacing him with his NEW God, the now glorified Son of Man to rule over the whole earth in the NAME of Yahweh for 1000 years for the purpose of judging the fallen gods.
So then, to me, Jesus did not even exist in the mind or thoughts of God before the war in the universe.
But after God and the angels who remain faithful to him, Yahweh overthrew that part of heaven that rebelled against him and confined them to the earth.
Which I see as most likely being Lucifer's home planet that God originally set him on a throne as the Tenet, caretaker of the earth to watch over and care for the inhabitants of the earth during the previous ages of the earth.
This was before Lucifer corrupted himself.
God taught me all these things over time, so do not throw the excuse at me that I am reading the Bible through my OWN LENS.
No, I had no such LENS other than complete surrender to know ONLY God's truth, the whole truth and nothing but His truth, not caring who is right or who is wrong.
This is God's LENS that He taught me over time to read the Bible TROUGH.
And when you do, then every verse of Scripture aligns and agrees with no contradictions, no confusion.
So then, after peace in the heavens ABOVE had cast the enemies out down to the earth, God sat down with His Elohim to settle the matter. This is what the Hebrew word and the Greek word means that is "translated" as FOUNDATION.
God had PREPARED a fire to destroy the EARTH along with Satan and all of his angels some 15,000 years ago, but the enemy BLASPHEMED His NAME.
That was the STARTING point of God's 7,000 year PLAN of Salvation, which He kept as SECRET, a MYSTERY for His enemies.
That was when the Lamb was SLAIN in the mind and plan of God.
And do not throw in my face that God knows everything before it happens, because that is church TRADITION and NOT Scripture.
Jer 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
God knows the END FROM the BEGINNING because God gave PROPHECY of the END and He will DO what He SAID He will DO!
There is so much that God has shown to me Greg that one email does not even scratch the suffice.
I am not boasting when I say that I have spent more time praying, reading, and studying the Bible than most pastors and perhaps even most Bible scholars who, in my own opinion, merely parrot what their Professors taught them at Bible college, which was their own church denomination's TRADITION.
So, to me, Jesus CHRIST, the Messiah, the ANOINTED One of his God, never even entered the mind of God until AFTER the War in heaven.
Therefore, no "pre-existing" Son, whether without a beginning or WITH a beginning did NOT EXIST either LITERALLY or even in the MIND of God in the eternity past BEFORE anything was created by the Father ALONE and by Himself, according to Isaiah 44:24.
You asked and I have shared what God has revealed to me.
You claim I am not a true born-again Christian and that I do not have God's Spirit dwelling in me based solely on your own church TRADITION that no person can become a Christinan UNTIL they believe and confess that Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF in the flesh.
That is NOT Scripture, that is man's INTERPRETATION of verses taken out of their CONTEXT.
That tradition is exactly what Satan wants Christian to believe and CONFESS so that they will be his WITNESSES at his trial.
You shut me down before you heard the whole MATTER.
Proverbs 18
Pro 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
And, just for the record, I am not a JW, never have I been a JW, and never will I became a Jehovah's Witness, because they wrongly teach that God created the Son FIRST and then the Son created ALL THINGS, based solely on two main mistranslated verses, Colossians 1:15-18 and John 1:1-3.
There are many Trinitarian Bible Scholars who give the HONEST and God INTENDED translation of John 1:1 C and being, "and the word was a god."
And if you are honest with yourself and with God, that is exactly what has been FULFILLED, but Jesus is not yet the Lord over the WHOLE earth, but rather, Jesus is only Lord to us who BELIEVE by FAITH without SEEING and we CONFESS him as OUR Lord, KNOWING the the Father is the HEAD over Jesus, whom He made the Head over us, the church, the ALL who believe whether in heaven or the ALL who believe on the earth still alive.
God created "the ALL who believe" IN Jesus anointed and NOT all THINGS were created BY him.
We were created FOR, or because of what Jesus did for us on the cross by OBEYING his God and Father's WILL by submitting his OWN will.
And that is WHEN it pleased the Father that ALL the fullness of the Divine or Divinity should DWELL in his BODY.
Not just his own new glorified immortal body, but also his BODY the church.
And we who believe have received OF his FULLNESS which he RECEIVED from his God and Creator.
Do you see how all of the verses come together and align perfectly without trying to force a verse to mean something it was never intended to mean?
Brother Mark.
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Mark,
Well, you have a major problem with how you believe and interpret scripture, as it clearly teaches God the Father created (bārā') the heaven (singular) and the earth. Bārā means to make something out of nothing, which God the Father did.
After the Rebellion there was One that made (ʿāśâ) the heavens (plural) and the earth, which means to make something out of something else; to recreate.
According to scripture the One Who "made" (recreated) the heavens and the earth (the six days creation account in Genesis) was the Word.
The Word is the Son of God, Who manifested in the flesh in the Person of Jesus Christ. This is why is says in the Gospel of John:
"The same (the Word, the Son of God) was in the beginning with God (the Father). All things were made (recreated) by Him (the Word); and without Him (the Word) was not anything made (recreated) that was made (recreated; Jn. 1:2-3). John 1:3 is telling us something, as "made" is used three times in this verse. It then tells us that the Word (Son of God) became flesh, and dwelt among us (Jn. 1:14) in the Person of Jesus Christ, Who didn't become God, but was God the Son in the flesh.
That said, there is something that God the Son created in the six days of creation...Mankind. In other words, the Son of God, Who took on flesh, in the Person of Jesus Christ, went to His Cross for you and I.
Jesus Christ was God the Son in the flesh, Who didn't become God, but was God. His title, the Son of God, is telling us why He is God, for God the Father emanated out of His Own Self, the Son, which took place before anything was created. In other words the Son of God witnessed the Father creating heaven and the earth.
Lastly, I'm not going to argue or contend with you about what I wrote above, as that is what the Holy Spirit taught me through His written word. What you wrote doesn't agree with scripture.
Until you repent from the belief that Jesus became God, it is not possible for you to interpret scripture correctly.
Greg
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Hi Greg
In my understanding of the whole word of God, not individual verses, but the entire Bible, I see that there were ages before Genesis 1: through Revelation 22:21.
And it was "because of" what happened in the previous age right before God "began" to cut down the heavens AND the earth, as the "reason" for why God made man and the son of man a little lower than the Elohim "temporarily", according to Psalm 8:1-6 and Hebrews 2:5-10 along with Psalm 75, which is a prophecy of Jesus and his God fixing the heavens and the earth and the God of Jesus giving the new earth yet to be created after this present earth is dissolved. Look at verses 6-8 that picture the soon coming wrath of God to bind Satan from no longer being the god of this present world and replacing him with his NEW God, the now glorified Son of Man to rule over the whole earth in the NAME of Yahweh for 1000 years for the purpose of judging the fallen gods.
So then, to me, Jesus did not even exist in the mind or thoughts of God before the war in the universe.
But after God and the angels who remain faithful to him, Yahweh overthrew that part of heaven that rebelled against him and confined them to the earth, which I see as most likely being Lucifer's home planet that God originally set him on a throne as the Tenet, caretaker of the earth to watch over and care for the inhabitants of the earth during the previous ages of the earth.
This was before Lucifer corrupted himself.
God taught me all these things over time, so do not throw the excuse at me that I am reading the Bible through my OWN LENS.
No, I had no such LENS other than complete surrender to know ONLY God's truth, the whole truth and nothing but His truth, not caring who is right or who is wrong.
This is God's LENS that He taught me over time to read the Bible TROUGH.
And when you do, then every verse of Scripture aligns and agrees with no contradictions, no confusion.
So then, after peace in the heavens ABOVE had cast the enemies out down to the earth, God sat down with His Elohim to settle the matter. This is what the Hebrew word and the Greek word means that is "translated" as FOUNDATION.
God had PREPARED a fire to destroy the EARTH along with Satan and all of his angels some 15,000 years ago, but the enemy BLASPHEMED His NAME.
That was the STARTING point of God's 7,000 year PLAN of Salvation, which He kept as SECRET, a MYSTERY for His enemies.
That was when the Lamb was SLAIN in the mind and plan of God.
And do not throw in my face that God knows everything before it happens, because that is church TRADITION and NOT Scripture.
Jer 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
God knows the END FROM the BEGINNING because God gave PROPHECY of the END and He will DO what He SAID He will DO!
There is so much that God has shown to me Greg that one email does not even scratch the suffice.
I am not boasting when I say that I have spent more time praying, reading, and studying the Bible than most pastors and perhaps even most Bible scholars who, in my own opinion, merely parrot what their Professors taught them at Bible college, which was their own church denomination's TRADITION.
So, to me, Jesus CHRIST, the Messiah, the ANOINTED One of his God, never even entered the mind of God until AFTER the War in heaven.
Therefore, no "pre-existing" Son, whether without a beginning or WITH a beginning did NOT EXIST either LITERALLY or even in the MIND of God in the eternity past BEFORE anything was created by the Father ALONE and by Himself, according to Isaiah 44:24.
You asked and I have shared what God has revealed to me.
You claim I am not a true born-again Christian and that I do not have God's Spirit dwelling in me based solely on your own church TRADITION that no person can become a Christinan UNTIL they believe and confess that Jesus is THE ALMIGHTY God HIMSELF in the flesh.
That is NOT Scripture, that is man's INTERPRETATION of verses taken out of their CONTEXT.
That tradition is exactly what Satan wants Christian to believe and CONFESS so that they will be his WITNESSES at his trial.
You shut me down before you heard the whole MATTER.
Proverbs 18
Pro 18:12 Before destruction the heart of man is haughty, and before honour is humility.
Pro 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.
And, just for the record, I am not a JW, never have I been a JW, and never will I became a Jehovah's Witness, because they wrongly teach that God created the Son FIRST and then the Son created ALL THINGS, based solely on two main mistranslated verses, Colossians 1:15-18 and John 1:1-3.
There are many Trinitarian Bible Scholars who give the HONEST and God INTENDED translation of John 1:1 C and being, "and the word was a god."
And if you are honest with yourself and with God, that is exactly what has been FULFILLED, but Jesus is not yet the Lord over the WHOLE earth, but rather, Jesus is only Lord to us who BELIEVE by FAITH without SEEING and we CONFESS him as OUR Lord, KNOWING the the Father is the HEAD over Jesus, whom He made the Head over us, the church, the ALL who believe whether in heaven or the ALL who believe on the earth still alive.
God created "the ALL who believe" IN Jesus anointed and NOT all THINGS were created BY him.
We were created FOR, or because of what Jesus did for us on the cross by OBEYING his God and Father's WILL by submitting his OWN will.
And that is WHEN it pleased the Father that ALL the fullness of the Divine or Divinity should DWELL in his BODY.
Not just his own new glorified immortal body, but also his BODY the church.
And we who believe have received OF his FULLNESS which he RECEIVED from his God and Creator.
Do you see how all of the verses come together and align perfectly without trying to force a verse to mean something it was never intended to mean?
Brother Mark.
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