Rybicki Transcript

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Deposition taken May 9, 2017 with Office of Special Counsel

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Rybicki. Sure. There was a group that was involved in most of those meetings. I can -- would you like the positions or names?

Mr. Parmiter. I would, please.

Mr. Rybicki. So what I would call the sort of core group that met on that would certainly include the Director, the Deputy Director of the FBI. Now, a lot of these positions changed during the course -- I'm sorry, a lot of people changed during the course of the investigation, so Deputy Director, so I believe it was Mr. Juliano at the beginning and then Mr. McCabe. The associate Deputy Director. Representatives from the actual investigative team, so Pete Strzok was the lead agent that briefed the Director. |was the lead analyst that briefed the Director. Then there were representatives from the Office of the General Counsel, typically, the general counsel himself, other representatives from the Office of General Counsel. Would you like them?

Mr. Parmiter. Absolutely.

Mr. Rybicki. Including Trisha Anderson and representatives from Mr. McCabe's office, Lisa Page, and then myself.

Mr. Parmiter. You mentioned Lisa Page is from Mr. McCabe's office?

Mr. Rybicki. Correct.

Mr. Parmiter. When you said associate Deputy Director and Deputy Director. At the time that was the Deputy Director was Mr. -

Mr. Rybicki. It started out I believe at the beginning it was Mr. Juliano, Mark Juliano.

Mr. Parmiter. Followed by Mr. McCabe.

Mr. Rybicki. Followed by Mr. McCabe.

Mr. Parmiter. What about the associate Deputy Director?

Mr. Rybicki. It was and is Dave Bowdich.

Mr. Brower. If I can clarify. Dim, was Mr. Bowdich the associate

Deputy Director the entire time even during Mr. Duliano's tenure as Deputy Director?

Mr. Rybicki. No. He came on -- again, it is one of those positions that changed. He came on after Mr. McCabe was elevated to the Deputy Director position.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Rybicki. So what I would call the sort of core group that met on that would certainly include the Director, the Deputy Director of the FBI. Now, a lot of these positions changed during the course -- I'm sorry, a lot of people changed during the course of the investigation, so Deputy Director, so I believe it was Mr. Juliano at the beginning and then Mr. McCabe. The associate Deputy Director. Representatives from the actual investigative team, so Pete Strzok was the lead agent that briefed the Director. |was the lead analyst that briefed the Director. Then there were representatives from the Office of the General Counsel, typically, the general counsel himself, other representatives from the Office of General Counsel. Would you like them?

Mr. Parmiter. Absolutely.

Mr. Rybicki. Including Trisha Anderson and representatives from Mr. McCabe's office, Lisa Page, and then myself.

Mr. Parmiter. You mentioned Lisa Page is from Mr. McCabe's office?

Mr. Rybicki. Correct.

Mr. Parmiter. When you said associate Deputy Director and Deputy Director. At the time that was the Deputy Director was Mr. --

Mr. Rybicki. It started out I believe at the beginning it was Mr. Juliano, Mark Juliano.

Mr. Parmiter. Followed by Mr. McCabe.

Mr. Rybicki. Followed by Mr. McCabe.

Mr. Parmiter. What about the associate Deputy Director?

Mr. Rybicki. It was and is Dave Bowdich.

Mr. Brower. If I can clarify. Dim, was Mr. Bowdich the associate

Deputy Director the entire time even during Mr. Juliano's tenure as Deputy Director?

Mr. Rybicki. No. He came on -- again, it is one of those positions that changed. He came on after Mr. McCabe was elevated to the Deputy Director position

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. Who was the one who was responsible for organizing the updates for the Director from all the individuals you just named?

Mr. Rybicki. Sure. So they were in that group setting. My recollection is that we had it on a regular cadence at the beginning, and then as needed, either the investigative team needed to update the Director on something or the Director asked for an update.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Rybicki. My recollection, and I don't know when they began, was they started as roughly monthly updates for the Director, and then they became more frequent after that towards the end of the investigation.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. So from monthly to --

Mr. Rybicki. To my recollection is bi-weekly and then perhaps bi-weekly, weekly as a regular cadence, and then other meetings as necessary.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Rybicki. So I know -- excuse me, I'm sorry. I know in the one instance that I'm thinking of, the Director discussed with -- or the FBI discussed with the Department of Justice due to Hill appearances, I believe, that were going to happen whether to acknowledge the investigation if asked. There might have been other instances. That's the one I'm recalling, though.

Mr. Parmiter. And in that instance, who at DOD did -- and you said the Director, but I think then you said the FBI, so was it the Director that had discussions?

Mr. Rybicki. It was a meeting with the Director and the Attorney General.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. And was anyone else in that meeting?

Mr. Rybicki. Yes.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. Who else was in that meeting?

Mr. Rybicki. I was there. I can't recall all of the participants, so I don't want to -- I don't want to speculate, but I know, certainly the Director and the Attorney General, myself. There were representatives from, I believe, the AG's office and the Deputy Attorney General's office, but again, I can't -- I'm not recalling the individuals as I sit here. I know that at least one representative of the national security division at DOD was present.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Parmiter. You were in the meeting with the Director when he was told by Attorney General Lynch to call the Clinton email investigation a "matter." Is that correct?

Mr. Rvbicki. That's correct.

Mr. Parmiter. When did this meeting occur?

Mr. Rvbicki. My recollection is fall of 2015. I don't remember the exact date. I do remember that both the Director and Attorney General Lynch had Hill appearances coming up, and that's what prompted the meeting.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Somers. What did you mean by authorize? You said they didn't want to authorize?

Mr. Rybicki. Didn't want to authorize any access to it.

Mr. Somers. Authorize whom, the FBI?

Mr. Rybicki. The FBI.

Mr. Somers. Authorize them to ask for the laptops?

Mr. Rybicki. So I just want to be precise, because I don't know whether they sought by consent first. I just don't recall that level,so I want to be careful, if that's what you're asking.

Mr. Somers. That's what I'm getting at.

Mr. Rybicki. So process versus consent. I don't recall that sitting here.

Mr. Somers. So did the DOD attorneys, they didn't want to authorize a search warrant or other compulsory --

Mr. Rybicki. Again, I just want to be careful only because my recollection, I can't remember whether the Bureau sought consent first and then were seeking -- if they were denied consent access to sort of compulsory process. I just don't have that level of recollection on it. I'm sure that was discussed in these updates, just sitting here I don't remember.

Mr. Somers. And you also don't remember are we talking national security division or U.S. attorneys?

Mr. Rybicki. Yes, I would be speculating

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January 18, 2018, Testimony:

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. When did the FBI confirm publicly that it had opened an investigation?

Mr. Rybicki. I do not recall. I believe the ICIG, the intelligence community Inspector General' s referral was public, that's my recollection. I don't recall the date. I know there were discussions about whether to disclose the fact of the investigation, but I don't recall a date.

Mr. Parmiter. In your experience, is it typical that the FBI confirms or denies the existence of an investigation?

Mr. Rybicki. Typically, the FBI does not confirm or deny the existence of an investigation, except in certain instances.

Mr. Parmiter. In what instances?

Mr. Rybicki. There are, I guess, a variety of factors including, you know, public safety, public interests, things of that nature.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. When you mentioned discussions about whether to confirm that there was an investigation, who was involved in those discussions?

Mr. Rybicki. So I know -- excuse me, I'm sorry. I know in the one instance that I'm thinking of, the Director discussed with -- or the FBI discussed with the Department of Justice due to Hill appearances, I believe, that were going to happen whether to acknowledge the investigation if asked. There might have been other instances. That's the one I'm recalling, though.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Parmiter. So let's talk about, you know, investigative techniques a little bit. In the discussions with the Director that were happening monthly and then weekly,

Mr. Rybicki. I can't recall specifics. I know there were discussions about whether -- I'm thinking of one instance -- whether to seek legal process for two specific items, I'm recalling that, so.

Mr. Parmiter. Was it for laptops?

Mr. Rybicki. It was for laptops?

Mr. Parmiter. Whose laptops?

Mr. Rybicki. For two attorneys related to the case.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Rybicki. I don't believe I have. There's been instances -- if I have used it, I made sure that it was captured as a record. For instance, if FBI computers were down, DOD computers were down, things of that nature.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. So do you remember that specifically happening, computers being down and having to use personal email?

Mr. Rybicki. Yes.

Mr. Parmiter. Do you remember the context of that?

Mr. Rybicki. I don't. I remember it happening, but I don't remember the context.

Mr. Parmiter. Do you remember about when it happened?

Mr. Rybicki. I don't. I can't remember the specific instance, but I can recall doing it before and making sure that it' s been captured.

Mr. Parmiter. So he would send the document to his personal email account, work on it and send it back, or how would that work?

Mr. Rybicki. I think that is fair to say that both to and from in some instances.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay.

Mr. Somers. In those instances, it would be captured the way you describe your use of personal email?

Mr. Rybicki. Correct, to the best of my knowledge.

Mr. Somers. And could you just explain the reason for having the emails captured in the official email?

Mr. Rybicki. Can you just one more time?

Mr. Somers. You explained that your email, when you use personal email you had it captured in an official record. Could you explain the reason for doing that?

Mr. Rybicki. Certainly. To, you know, to make sure it was in our official system as a government record.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Parmiter. You're welcome. So I guess the question was, you know, who was advocating for seeking the laptops and who was advocating for not seeking the laptops?

Mr. Rybicki. Sure. I don't know the specific individual, but what I will call the investigative team, so the FBI side was advocating to get access to the laptops, and the Department of Justice -- and, again, I don't know the level -- did not want access to those laptops, or did not want to authorize access to those laptops.

Mr. Parmiter. You don't know the level, but do you know the entity at DOD?

Mr. Rybicki. I don't. That might have been discussed in these updates. Just sitting here, I don't recall.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay.

Mr. Somers. What did you mean by authorize? You said they didn't want to authorize?

Mr. Rybicki. Didn't want to authorize any access to it.

Mr. Somers. Authorize whom, the FBI?

Mr. Rybicki. The FBI.

Mr. Somers. Authorize them to ask for the laptops?

Mr. Rybicki. So I just want to be precise, because I don't know whether they sought by consent first. I just don't recall that level, so I want to be careful, if that's what you're asking.

Mr. Somers. That's what I'm getting at.

Mr. Rybicki. So process versus consent. I don't recall that sitting here.

Mr. Somers. So did the DOD attorneys, they didn't want to authorize a search warrant or other compulsory --

Mr. Rybicki. Again, I just want to be careful only because my recollection, I can't remember whether the Bureau sought consent first and then were seeking -- if they were denied consent access to sort of compulsory process. I just don't have that level of recollection on it. I'm sure that was discussed in these updates, just sitting here I don't remember.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Parmiter. You said they briefed the Attorney General at the end, at the end of what?

Mr. Rybicki. Correct. So at the I forget the exact date, I believe it was July 6th when the Attorney General convened a meeting to decide whether to pursue charges they briefed the Attorney General.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Rybicki. Sure. I think to start, Mr. Chairman, is just to -- and this is -- this is definitely my view. Every case stands on its own, right. So what you do in case A should have no bearing on what you have in case B. To try to balance them in some way, whether you're talking about this particular example or any other, you know, I think it would be totally inappropriate to try to balance them. So just because you did in A, right, you should try to balance that with B. So that's just -- that's where I start from on it. What went into his decision to have the July 5th press conference, and there's some of those matters we can't discuss in this setting and some of them we can, but those are difficult things to weigh and balance. And the decision to write two letters in the throes of a major political race was a difficult decision to make.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Ms. Sachsman Grooms. And when you say there were discussions about whether to disclose Russian interference with the election, can you describe what those discussions were?

Mr. Rybicki. Sure. The -- in an effort to inoculate the American public to possible Russian interference with the election, the Director had proposed doing an op-ed with, I believe it was the DNI, talking about this, that ultimately did not go forward. And this came up again, I think, right before the election. And, again, I want to be careful, just for classification, who the participants were. This came up again before the election, and it was the Director's view at that time that it was too close to the election, that the inoculation had already taken place because of other means, and so he did not sign onto that effort at that time.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Rybicki. Yes, ma'am. I testified earlier today in response to a similar question after the firing of Director Comey. The core mission of the FBI to protect the American people and to uphold the Constitution went on without missing a beat the day of the firing and ever since. Other things were impacted, but the safety and security of the Nation was not impacted.

Mr. Rybicki. The way I've characterized it is the core work of the FBI, the everyday work protecting the Nation and the American people and investigating crimes, has continued unimpeded, despite the Director being fired in May. What I would say has been impact our sort of long-term planning and policy decisions, things of that nature, so that's been an impact, but the very core of what the FBI does has been unimpeded.

Mr. Rybicki. I think that's -- it was -- I'm sure it was discussed in meetings that I was at. Again, I don't know that I have a full memory of it sitting here. Again, it falls into one of those categories of, you know, something that wouldn't impact what I was, you know, dealing with in those meetings.

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January 18, 2018, testimony:

Mr. Parmiter. So let' s talk about things you were privy to then. Were there disagreements during the -- that you' re aware of during the weekly updates, the monthly updates with the Director, and disagreements internal to the FBI or with the Justice Department over what investigative techniques to use?

Mr. Rybicki. Yes.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. And what were those disagreements, to the extent that you were made aware of them during the meetings?

Mr. Rvbicki. Sure. One that I'm recalling was -- the one instance that I'm recalling is whether to seek access to the two laptops belonging to the attorneys.

Mr. Parmiter. Okay. And what was the nature of the disagreement?

Mr. Rybicki. It was a disagreement between the investigative team and what I will call the prosecution team.

Mr. Parmiter. Over whether to seek access to the laptops at all, or how to seek access to the laptops?

Mr. Rybicki. Whether to seek access at all.

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