A tuner is a device musicians use to detect pitch accuracy. It will let a musician know if the note they are playing is sharp (too high), flat (too low), or if it is in tune. The accuracy of a pitch is what musicians call intonation. Tuners work by detecting the frequency of the pitch (sound waves). For example, an A is 440 Hz. If an A is sharp, it will be 441 Hz or higher. If it is flat, it will register as 439 Hz or lower. While tuners work by tracking hertz, musicians measure how close they are to the pitch in measurements of cents. Cents and hertz are not the same things.

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In the last bullet above, we saw that a chord can sound out of tune even though every member of the chord is showing as in tune on a tuner. This is known as "just intonation." This table is just a guide and not hard rules. Always default to your ear and the ears of those around you. The most common way to discuss chords in a generic way is through numbers which represent the interval relationship to the root of the chord. As an example, the C Major chord has a root of C (it will always be in the name of the chord). The next member of this chord is a third above it, E, so we call it the third. The major third of the chord must be lowered 14 cents in order for it to sound in tune.

I would REALLY love to be able to reconfigure the tap tempo button to switch to the tuner immediately instead of with several seconds of delay, and I suspect many others feel the same way. This would be extremely useful because:


I'm long time Line6 user since the POD Live XT and this is frustrating to me. Everything at this point of view is wrong. Helix Native is amp sim suite, meaning, it should contain everything guitarists/ bassists would need and tuner is the single most used tool. Every amp sim suite comes with tuner (Guitar Rig, Amplitube, Overloud), as it was in Pod Farm (if you didn't know Line 6 made it). To this day I use free Pod Farm 2 because of that tuner (best tuner I ever tried). Where is the problem to include tuner in Helix Native as they did it in Pod Farm?

Absolutely essential! I second the proposal! The editor programmed by a third party (Wonderful help until rig manger appeared) had the tuner available, so it can be done, please Kemper, pretty please, for Christmas???!!!

As I am playing and recording using my DAW I want to make sure my tuning is accurate before recording any take. Having to turn away from my playing position to activate the tuner via the Remote or Chickenhead knob then tune while facing the KPA is enough of an inconvenience to be annoying. On the other hand, if I could simply remain in the playing position ready to record and check my tuning with a simple keyboard shortcut or mouse click it would make a much more satisfying workflow.

I'm an LT owner for a number of months, and I really like my Helix, but at a gig last night I finally reached the breaking point where I plan to stop using the tuner completely - I find it too poorly coded to be usable in performance. I would appreciate your advice before buying:

Get any tuner that you can read well on stage. You would only need to wire it into the input, so it doesn't even need to be a pedal, you could use something like this: _2/ if that's good enough for you.

What is it about the tuner that you can't use? I generally tune at the beginning of the show and unless something happens that's enough. The tuner seems to work fine enough for me (I only use the tuner on it when playing bass, which isn't my primary instrument, I don't use a guitar with the Helix).

So when using the tuner send feature, it means the external tuner has to be on all the time, right? Unless I want to tap dance: 1) Hold the helix tuner button to activate the inbuilt tuner, and then 2) step on the external tuner switch to turn it on.

However, IMO using the headphone output is a bad idea. You want your clean, unaltered guitar signal going to the tuner before any effects. If you plug the headphone output to the tuner's input and you kick in any effects, especially choruses or other pitch altering effects, the tuner will have trouble.

Also if you place your tuner in one of the Helix the effects loops that means you're including the tuner's circuitry in your signal path. If the tuner is true bypass or has a good buffer that may be okay but it is not ideal and not necessary. I would either:

1) Place the tuner before the Helix - between your guitar and the Helix's guitar input. If tuner is true bypass that's good with a short cable between the tuner and Helix input. If the tuner is not true bypass but has a good buffer that works too.

Thanks! I'll try #1 - the Turbo Tuner claims a true bypass. My reasoning is that I don't have to have the tuner on all the time (like #2 would require). Or, I would have to hold the helix tuner button and then step on the Turbo Tuner button.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "I don't have to have the tuner on all the time". Do you mean you don't want the tuner engaged (tuning mode) all the time, or do you mean you don't want the tuner "on" (powered on) all the time ?

It sounds like you want to do option #1 which is just the traditional old school way as if you were going guitar to tuner to amp (or other effects pedals etc.). Makes sense, especially with your true bypass Turbo Tuner. When tuning, your guitar signal goes to the tuner and sound is muted. When not tuning your guitar signal goes straight through the true bypass tuner into the Helix guitar input. As with ANY true bypass setup keep your cables short like a 10 - 15 foot from guitar to tuner then short like a 1 or 2 foot into the Helix. Bottom line is keep total cable length under 20 feet.

There are reasons why someone might like option #2. For example if your tuner is NOT true bypass and has a bad buffer circuit that sucks tone you might not want to put that before the Helix. In that case you can employ the Helix external tuner feature (see Tuner section in the manual) to send your signal out one of the sends to the tuner that is always in tuning mode. That way your signal doesn't pass through the crappy tuner circuit while you're playing. It only goes there when you're tuning.

Another reason might be you want to bring the tuner closer to your face for visibility. I thought of doing that with a Boss TU-3S mini tuner (no footswitch). You could mount it to a mic stand to see it better but kick it in/out using the Helix tuner footswitch. Of course you could do that with any tuner - the TU3S is just small.

I was going to use option #2 with my regular Boss TU3 pedal tuner because even though it has a pretty good buffer I just thought it might be better not to have it before the Helix at all. I wanted to have my guitar going straight into the Helix guitar input. However I wound up going wireless with a Shure GLXD16 that has a tuner in it which is of course an active circuit before the Helix after all, but it sounds perfect and I prefer the tuner in the Shure over the Helix tuner. So I'm back to option #1 - just no guitar cable.

To your question though, I've used so many different tuners over the years and I have to say I always go back to the Korg Pitchblack. Big clear display, not much unnecessary distractions and locks in a tuning better than anything I've used. Probably why you see it so often on boards.

On a related note: What length and brand patch cable would you recommend to go to the Helix (either Guitar -> tuner -> Helix, or Guitar -> Helix -> tuner)? Sweetwater sold me a Mogami 18' TS-TS Ang/Str instrument cable, which was pricey. I saw this mentioned elsewhere: . Thanks!

It comes down to nothing more than layout for me, where do you want the tuner comfortably sitting (would go Guitar->Tuner->Helix, always first in the chain so that there's the cleanest tone possible for the thing to pitch to ). If you want it relatively flush against the side of the Helix then you don't need 18', if you want it a distance from the Helix then...well you get it. Nice thing is, most tuners have that signal mute so a really good kill switch if you need it or for like when guitar is on stage before show and and you want no feedback etc while you are off setting up the pyrotechnics :) 2351a5e196

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