The way I work most of the time, I write down my music ideas, and later play and record each track, especially when I'm far from my gear.
I was wondering if there was an IOS app that would allow me to kinda bypass the recording:
I would write down my music on sheet music on screen with the Apple Pencil, would need various time signatures, keys, and full score.
Definitely recommend Staffpad. Time signature possible per bar, tempo track and you can export your score as MIDI, XML audio file or you can share your staffpad score with someone who owns the app for collaborative efforts.
The stock sounds are more than decent, but you can purchase third party libraries from Orchestral Tools, Spitfire and Cinesamples that can help your create extremely convincing Orchestral mock ups.
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MuseScore has an algorithm of some sort that can find the approximate tempo of a midi file and quantify it to that tempo (though the software will remove syncopation and mess up grace notes). I use this to my advantage to make piano roll transcriptions, and sheet music of my own playing.
Unfortunately, the program has a terrible time mapping swing in midi files (especially foxtrots from piano rolls) and I usually have to quantize everything to an 8th note or 16th (depending on if I use normal tempo or double time).
This method is very time consuming and I wish there was a way that the program AT LEAST WOULDN'T REMOVE SYNCOPATION!!!! Correcting the removed syncopation is the most time consuming part of the process.
Have you tried playing wiht the swing settings in the import panel? In general swing shouldn't present any particular difficult - no more so than the usual difficulties inherent in any MIDI import, that is. Can you attach a specific MIDI file you are having trouble with?
But I would also say if the software you are using to record your MIDI file makes the simple act of quantizing "very time consuming", you might consider different software for the recording. Quantizing should be trivially simple in most MIDI recording software (eq, pretty much any DAW).
It's not that I'm having any particular difficulty but when MuseScore imports a piano roll scan that was recorded with swing (foxtrots played by J. Lawrence Cook are a perfect example) then the swing turns into notes in triplets to simulate swing which is exactly what it is. I have to then select everything except for grace notes, triplet trills etc. and quantize everything else.
Ok here's a midi file of a piano roll that i tried to quantize. It has a constant tempo because it's a timed piano roll puch matrix midi file. I split the tracks to help MuseScore not make an illegible piece of junk but it still couldn't map the swing no matter what setting I used on the import panel.
The second midi file (Your the cream in my coffee) is a straight piano roll scan that is not timed or anything. I've managed to quantify these but only by extensive syncopation fixing and quantization to remove all the swing which in this case is very very badly mapped into a mess of tuplets and augmented notes.
Carolina Shout seems off by a fraction a beat pretty much throughout. That is the notes that should be on the beat are not. No doubt that plays havoc with the swing recognition. If you can shift this in your sequencer to coincide with the metronome better, you'll have much better luck I suspect. Also probably better if you can convince your sequencer to output the relevant metadata to the actual piano track.
Well, I've noticed that MuseScore figures out the tempo on it's own so that Carolina Shout midi indeed does get a uniform tempo for the most part but I wish the swing selection would just get rid of the triplets, even when I do the swing setting on quantified midis then it still makes a mess.
As far as I know, MuseScore doesn't usually "figure out" tempo, it's normally recorded directly in the MIDI file. But in cases where the info is missing, I don't think there would be any way to guess it. But my point here is, the MIDI file doesn't have a notion of "triplets" - just notes at pretty varying places relative to a beat that in fact is not the actual beat of the song. There's no way for MuseScore to recognize what you "intended" the file to contain, it can only see what is actually there. That's why being careful to play to a metronome, and being sure to quantize to that before export the MIDI file, is vitally important is a format like MIDI - never intended to be used for notation - is going to have any hope of producing decent results.
The thing is, this happens with midi files that have swing and are conventionally sequenced and the swing compensation just doesn't get rid of all the triplets. The only way I've found to make sheets from these files is to go through them and select all the notes that aren't part of triplets that are necessary to have in the score and quantize them to straighten the rhythm...
Again, we'd need you to attach a file with the problem so we can investigate. It works quite well with any reasonable quantized MIDI file we've tested. The one attached above, as mentioned, is practically arhythmic, not really obeying the metronome at all.
Ok, here's a midi file that I have that's lining up with the metronome and also has been quantized in many places. You'll see that it's nearly impossible to get rid of the mass of triplets that comprise the swing in the midi.
The thing is, this will remove triplets that are supposed to be there xD, then again, sometimes the triplets are quantized to be two 16th notes and then an 8th note which gives the trill a quite sharp tone but it's acceptable.
That file seems to have been quantized to still include triplets. You'll get much better results if you quantize it to eighths instead. You can get rid of the triplets that represent swing eighths by setting "Detect swing" to Swing 2:1, but indeed, some triplets will likely remain.
It is actually impossible for me to quantify a piano roll without Smart Tempo of some sort. This is a feature only high end paid programs have and I cannot afford to get Logic Pro or Ableton Live, both of which have that feature.
Ummm, yeah, sort of, you can still see that a lot of the notes are on the second voice which isn't right, and also, there are still some screwed up spots in the swing even though the song is quantized...
Best way to get only two staves would be to use only one MIDI channel. As it is, MuseScore sees separate tracks and separate channels and thinks this is a two-pian duet. But assuming you are using track 1 for the top staff and track 2 for the bottom, just uncheck "split staff in the MIDI import dialog for each track, then hit apply
I do usually uncheck the "split staff" because of how it doesn't even split the staff correctly xD, I have to admit though, this program has a fairly solid algorithm since I have actually hand played midi files and made sheet music of them as well. I have an example attached. I hand played the midi file as smoothly as I could but I did NOT record it with a metronome, MuseScore just finds the tempo and quantized the midi and made some pretty ok sheet music that I then edited because of how the program removes Syncopation (that's the one major annoyance). I kind of wish that the dev team would build on this and maybe incorporate an AI neural net or something to make sheet music from midi imports conform to modern notation conventions and so on.
Again, there is no such thing as "correctly" when it comes to how MIDI data is turned into notation. Every single AI algorithm that attempts to reconstruct the missing information - including the AI algorithm already built into MuseScore - will guess differently as to the best way to do it. That's just the nature of trying to use MIDI to build notation - tons and tons and tons of crucial info is missing, and a program will need to use AI to guess how to best reconstruct it. In almost all real world cases, you can expect to spend many times more work overriding the AI decisions using your own expertise than simply making the decisions yourself to begin by entering the music directly. AI technology just isn't anywhere near the level where you can expect this to go well in any but really simple cases. But sure, it's conceivably that in the coming decades this technology may mature. but consider. people have been working on this since the 1980's and it's still primitive.
And maybe the dev team could get rid of adding a non reverb control event and the channel volume control event at the beginning of the midi, it makes it a pain to get good audio without editing the file...
> "Why not have MuseScore embed text data into the midi file to tell the program on import what should be done to make the midi into notation"
Sure, we could invent a new MIDI format extension to include that information; perhaps even include some layout information. And while we're at it could probably also add styling information and whether a note should be written as a tied or not; and add a distinction between a staccato eight note or a dotted sixteenth...
... and probably just end up with the mscz format in the end...
Well it wouldn't be a completely new format, just simple text events. Many old midi files have simple text events chucked into the midi track. This information could be embedded when exporting a midi from MuseScore so that you can get accurate sheet music on import into MuseScore again.
The point I'm making is that if you start adding text events to the MIDI stream (thus creating an extension of the specification) to make it contain more score information that for you it might be enough to include just note spelling (for example). But for someone else it won't be enough; because why stop there? Why not also include messages that differentiate between a staccato note or not, or identify tuplets?
And if you then do finally end up with a score-like format in hopes that whichever other software you're processing that MIDI in won't destroy it; who's to say those messages still make sense after someone/something else processed that MIDI file? 152ee80cbc
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