My bad, I did not realize there was a monetary kickback from sharing a tune setup. Honestly, there is nothing in game so far that led me to believe there was. I definitely would not want to take away from someone earning some credits.

With credits so easily available (thanks to the stupid prize spin feature), the low reward received for someone downloading and using your tune, in my opinion, is sufficient. This coupled with seeing someone in a lobby or on a leaderboard, using your tune, is reward enough for me.


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To answer the OP, should someone take the time (days in some cases) tuning a car and then share the set-up, as the originator of the file, it is automatically locked to everyone else, almost like an inbuilt copy writing system; the originator retains full rights to the file.

Hey all, my MY99 GC8 with a WRXLink 5-6 isn't starting at all post rebuild, and I just can't get to the bottom of it. Hoping to rule out any wiring issues first as it is a custom/merged loom. It looks like there is air, mechanical timing is right, and there's definitely fuel. Of note was a weak purple spark when the plugs were checked for spark, and I feel as though that might be tied to the issue, perhaps poor grounding?

The ECU doesn't show injectors turning on when the car cranks though, nor does it show ignition turning on at any point, but the car does occasionally splutter as the crank continues. Otherwise, the ECU says the battery voltage drops to 9.5v during the crank.

I would try a timing light on it to confirm that spark is somewhere in the ballpark. You wont know the exact number that is being comanded in the locked tune but you are going to need to see a spark somewhere around 0-30BTDC for it to run, so as long as it is in that ballpark you can rule that out.

Unfortunately when I connect to the ECU the triggerscope options disappear from the taskbar, I'm assuming due to the lock on the tune(?).

As for the TPS, I had the throttle a bit open and it was reading that fine, but thank you.

Realistically all I can see being off is compression (it is making compression sounds though and it's a fresh rebuild, but I will be double checking ASAP), or potentially the car being tuned with a different order for spark/injectors due to the frankenloom it initially had.

When trying to start it again, it wants to turn over for a split second and the RPM rises to 800-900, but drops back again. It also chuffs a tiny bit from the intake here and there as though timing is 180 off or something?

If everything else gets ruled out it might have to go back to the tuner on the break-in tune date as a non-running car with hopes its an input/output issue, but I would much rather rule out any other issue first!

Save your current tune somewhere safe, then load in the v5/6 base map. You will then be able to view and access everything, do a trigger scope etc to help troubleshoot. You can then load the password protected map back in once you have found the problem.

I'll attempt this ASAP, but it does have an 03 AVCS block in it that it was tuned for. Is it easier to load an 03 base map and change the software pinout to match the physical? Or do I still just load up a v5 MAP and change triggers?


Following on from that, I know we can't see the triggers yet, but does it seem like there's a chance the crank position wiring is backwards at the sensor?


Thanks for all your help so far, hope you had a happy new year!

As for my B136-25 wire, can this be wired to any 12 switched power? I have found one source in the bay but it keeps the car on even with the key pulled out :/ Is there a recommended source for this power supply in the bay?

B136-25 is the ignition switch wire. It doesnt actually power anything, it is just a signal that tells the ecu to turn the main relay on. It would be best to go to the ignition switch so you no there is nothing else involved.

My only choice was to go back to the original tuner to have the tune adjusted, or to start a tune again from scratch which means extra time on a dyno. I personally question the ethics and anti-competitive behaviour of this. Plus if your car blows up from an unsafe tune noone but the tuning garage can access it..... This means they have totally removed themselves from all tuning accountability.

I figure that $150 to $200 per hour (sometimes more) entitles me to own the tune a tuner puts in my car as at this hourly rate I am paying for both their equipment and knowledge. Similar to a small business owning the intellectual property of customised software they've had a programmer build (at a similar hourly rate).

The original tuner has said that they inform all customers that they password protect their tuning. I question this..... If it is all out in the open lets get a register of tuners that lock and don't lock your ECUs on you.

this might also be something they do to cover themselves - if they leave the tune wide open then you play with it and your motor blows because of the tune - they are liable as there are some dodgy characters who will just revert to the original tune... and this tarnishes their reputation. but once you ring up and ask for the password they record when you did in their diary and from then on YOU are liable for the tune because on the xx/xx/xxxx @x o'clock you asked for the password to unlock the ecu. quite fair i think.

Who would let a workshop tune their car if they knew they, or another workshop later on couldn't view it. Either to enhance or edit the tune (because of an additional mod to the car), or to check if the orginal tune was the reason their car blew up?

i dont see what gives them the right to do it with or without the permission of the owner?? the car and the ecu belong to someone else. from my point of view thats like taking ur car too a mechanic and then they tell u that u can have the car, but u cant have the keys back. if they charge u for the tuning of your car (usually a ridiculous sum of money) and the tune is not copyrighted material, they have no right to lock it.

I know where the car was originally tuned and i can confirm that locking ecu's is common practice. Its bullsh1t...you are paying...hence you own it. I would also suggest that the customers are not informed of this...ACCC will act on this but need to have a written formal complaint submitted to do so.

I'd love for the tuning shop to get on here, identify themselves, explain their side of the story and confirm that they lock tunes and don't release passwords. Perhaps if they did this and explained their honest reasons for doing this it might make more sense to us all.

unless the tuner owns a patent for their intellectual property - then by law they can't lock ecu's based on their feeling. you cannot patent artistic creations, mathematical models, plans, schemes or other purely mental processes.

We produce PCBs with microcontrollers on them at work and we ALWAYS lock the micro to protect our intellectual property. Why should we do all the hard work and leave the door wide open for someone to plug on, download it all and start reproducing product themselves? A tune is the same, a programmable ECU in its raw state is mostly non-functional (it could grenade your engine). The tuner is what has made the product useful, you have bought a paperweight and he is selling you the labour that turns it into "a working ECU" for your car. Why shouldn't he protect his investment and his company's reputation by making sure nobody makes unauthorised changes to the tune? 152ee80cbc

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