Dave
Good evening everyone. I really hope you can hear me. Okay, this is quite a challenge for somebody who works in IT and allegedly knows what they're doing. Yeah, I'm getting used to a new concept here and you idea radio station that's being run on a very tiny screen on my Chromebook, so we get there. We'll work it out while maybe another, but this is as the introduction quite rightly said. Joy FM.
Dave
Joy FM is for everyone in education, so this really is all about you guys and we'd love you to get involved.
Dave
So please please please send me some messages. I love to hear them. I'd love to read them as well and then I'll speak them and you can hear him because that's how radio works.
Dave
And not only will I be reading your messages, but I will also be being joined by a very special guest. More on that very soon, very shortly.
Speaker 4
Dave
Before we get to that, though, a little bit about this concept, so we are Joy FM and this is the Ed Tech show with I would say the IT team with one of the IT team.
Dave
As always, the rest of the ITT move busy fixing things, making the world better for everyone and really just getting ready to to help out. We are therefore represented by me at the moment, and therefore you stuck with me.
Dave
For the rest of the rest of the evening, for the next hour, at the very least anyway.
Dave
Dave
Dave
But before we go, I suppose there might be somebody out there who doesn't know who the heck I am so a little bit of background on myself and the strategic director for the Water Grove Trust. Having worked for nearly 18 years now as an IT technician in the 19 manager in schools in the North West of England, I have been very fortunate to be nominated for awards in the past. I think almost two now is my running count, and even one one over once, and that's nothing at all to do with the fact that I've got Ben Whitaker.
Dave
Joining me tonight from the edgy futurist and sure that.
Dave
I will not go in anyway even if Adams kept inviting then onto award shows. But I also present or past as well as this radio show, and that podcast is known as learning dust and gained a lot from Ben's experience, expertise and advice that he offered me as part of delivering his own podcast The Edgy Futurists.
Dave
So that's enough about me an and you're not really here to listen to me. I'm sure what you really want to hear about is Bens experiences in Edtech because he's a quite a journey an I think rather than me talk about him.
Dave
I'm going to bring Ben and Ben. Can you hear me?
Ben
Mate, I can hear it loud and clear.
Dave
Oh my goodness about.
Dave
Such a relief that I'm not just been talking to myself for.
Dave
The last four minutes.
Speaker 4
Dave
Thank you so much for joining Benton for going on this journey of Discovery with me.
Dave
Like you say, its new platform. It's something that I've looked at as a member of an audience before, but not actually as it hosts, so bear with us if we mess things up.
Dave
You know this is a kind radio station. We look after each other and we we encourage everybody to get involved.
Dave
Which is why I've turned once again to you Ben your first guest on learning dust.
Dave
You are our inspiration behind learning dust and therefore when I thought I needed somebody to come onto the intellectual knew in the first person I thought. Also thanks so much for joining me.
Ben
Thanks very much for asking me again there. If you know always always happens to be involved and it's quite, it's quite humbling actually to for you to say that we've without you there and give you a bit of inspiration. It's it's good. We've we've been on a journey as well.
Ben
But I'm I'm grateful to be involved in this, I reckon to be further now that I've I've done a few short of you and helped you out of a couple times.
Ben
Yeah, I reckon definitely there's a pie necessary coming my way there. What do you think? Or at least a pint?
Dave
Absolutely a pie and a pint. I think you deserve at least one of each and soon as we can get together and live together. Last time we got together with our bid and Steve wasn't it.
Ben
Yeah.
Dave
Was it was it kebabish in Blackburn it was.
Ben
Was yeah yeah we had.
Ben
Yeah, yeah we had.
Ben
A really good day just before Christmas.
Dave
Is it Christmas Day? Yeah, yeah it seems like such a long time ago. That doesn't it? But it wasn't great career.
Ben
Couple years ago, yeah, yeah.
Ben
Couple years ago.
Speaker 4
Yes.
Dave
Remember that so.
Dave
For those listeners who aren't familiar with your work, and I can't believe what they've been doing. If you're not familiar, then can you give us a little bit of.
Dave
A background about yourself.
Ben
Yeah course can an so background started as a religious studies and sociology teacher. Anne did that for a number number of years. Weren't working way through that and work to become assistant print.
Ben
People, whilst I was doing that and looked after six form but also got involved in a little bit of technology, primarily that that came about.
Ben
I tell this story quite a lot, so if you listen to him, heard me talk about this before that, apologies.
Ben
I say the same story, same stories and it was he was trying to save some save some time really felt like I was doing the same thing regularly and one of my girls I've got two young daughters where one of them said Daddy you always marking you're always so I was trying to find solutions really.
Ben
To find time with my children as.
Ben
Well, as I've been in front of a class of 6th Formers Sixth Form, a level students were talking about some philosophy and I got up in front of him to tell the story about camps.
Ben
Categorical imperative wasn't really story. It was a bit of a presentation to teach them this and this young Rod Harvey.
Ben
I remember him like it was yesterday, just said oh sorry is that the comes categoric imperative and we've got to treat all humans and as an end in themselves you treat all people all places, all times, all the same.
Ben
In the same way, in a lot he just went.
Ben
Through the theory they said alright, I watch a video on YouTube about that an actually watched a video about all the stuff you've been talking about for last few weeks and you actually write which, which we just kind of blew me away and made me think that actually technology is changing the way that the learners learn and teachers teach. So so I've got to get into technology and.
Ben
I've not really looked back starting a podcast. We're good mate Dan Fitzpatrick and then copy years later. Steve Hope got involved.
Ben
And yes, we do. We do a little bit with that and I've been doing some work at Burnley College or the last couple of years looking at their technology as well as being a curriculum manager there.
Dave
Fantastic and I'm seeing that the audience are getting involved in Devon or a good friend Ranger. The trainer on Twitter he's telling us that he learned everything he knows about philosophy from Monty.
Dave
Titan, which I think they are worse than the worst sources of information. I think I'm there, at least it's entertaining once you get it.
Speaker 4
Russia.
Ben
Well, to be fair, he's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty body.
Dave
Hey there you go, there you go.
Speaker 4
And.
Dave
Romans go home and all that.
Dave
That's awesome, so you work with the futurist. It's a bit more, isn't it than than just just hosting a podcast now and again? When did you know you must be pushing 150?
Speaker 4
Notes.
Ben
Yeah, so we've got a thing lost count and we got 135 million episodes. But we've done within a whole host of like spin off ones around certain tech tools or whatever else cause we don't. We don't make the main show is more about the future of education and trying to learn from business and from from all that educates all around the world about what what it could look like. So we've done a few spin off ones that.
Ben
Have been about like.
Ben
Particular tech.
Ben
Tools as like as like sidelines? Yes we are. Yeah, I think somewhere about 100 and 16170 episodes.
Dave
Fantastic, yeah. I mean I, I just pick a number at random. I'd recommend going for something like episode #56 if if somebody wanted to cheque one out at random tonight.
Ben
I think it's 55 Dave. I think it's bigger than I.
Dave
I always got that wrong. I always gotta.
Ben
Be really mad that you get in to watch something else.
Dave
But it wasn't my episode, it was talking about my episode with a bit. Of course no or Abby's episode with me. If you're going to be more factually correct, it was on. After it's far better than ours.
Speaker 4
Dave
But that's great. I mean it's.
Dave
One of the things that strikes me is that.
Dave
You know your teacher. You've been doing this for a long time. You were involved in curriculum management. You're involved in senior leadership teams.
Dave
Are you not busy enough? But we did this passion for work over and above the stuff you get paid for come from. And yeah, just just where did that come from really?
Speaker 4
Ben
Well, I think.
Ben
I have a probably.
Ben
Not out myself by being in somebody who has worked more hours and he probably should an that's that's that's not necessarily always done me the the biggest favours. And I know that the team.
Ben
The radio show of I've been really really is key that about, well be enough, said Lord of the reports that people talked about about welding and obviously this week being mental health week as well. That was if I'm honest and I work really, really hard and always have.
Ben
But probably got into a little bit of what I would call work. Workaholic, alcoholic care. Bear colic. So that's that's that's the negative side of it. But also that relentless drive to improve, as always, been something that I have that that I found.
Speaker 4
And.
Ben
As kind of a key thing you want to do so.
Ben
I I always felt that it was right that teachers should should always be lifelong learners. And I know it's super cheesy. A lot of people talk about lifelong learning, but.
Ben
But just because I.
Ben
Qualified as a teacher. Remember one of my teachers saying to me I've got my GCSE is I've got my A levels and I don't need him an issue that needs him and I thought to.
Ben
Myself, yeah, that's all Welland good but.
Ben
You probably let them in 1956 or something and and I I relevant other now.
Ben
An hour rather relevant is actually so for me it was about that about staying.
Ben
About somebody being a lifelong learner and actually what I did with that was rather than learn just about my subject and I made a big thing around learning about innovation and what's coming.
Ben
And it's never really good idea to protect predict the future. Ironically, call our podcast any futurists, but for me is trying to look at what the trends that are.
Dave
Ah.
Ben
I mean what we can learn from other and other countries primarily because in the UK often we are the tail rather than the dog.
Ben
If you choose that analogy so so we follow from that. So for me I will found time. I was busy, still am busy.
Ben
I still work really hard, but I think the key bit was about that commitment to bettering myself because I expected that my students and still expected my students that you should be learning, learning, learning, and if I didn't do it.
Ben
Then I was about a hypocrite.
Dave
So sad that example. I mean, yeah, I mean, you've done other things as well, haven't you? Other than the podcast, I mean I've bumped into at various shows and you have done presentations you've done, done work for other organisations and trainings and things like that. Is that something that you?
Dave
Do value the.
Dave
Variety that that brings into your career.
Ben
Laugh and I think so. I think obviously went through the journey of Google educator, trainer, innovator, coach, all them badges and I got I got.
Ben
I say for at one point I felt like I was collecting all the badges, but then I could never catch up with Catlin.
Ben
She always had a mole before everybody else, so I was like I can't catch you. And I mean that in the nicest way cat was always setting the boundary.
Ben
Really setting the bar said next intensive.
Dave
I'm not sure that's me. That's gonna fly. No you there then I'm going to keep on talking and then I'm going to look to our wonderful audience for some kind of information as to whether they can.
Dave
Near me, or whether they can hear you or what's going on there an in the mean time just to shout out to the audience, Ben continues.
Dave
I can activate it I.
Dave
Dave
Well, this is really interesting because I can't hear Ben, but you can hear me. Okay, well, what I say then. In the mean time, if I'm not talking over Ben, then maybe anybody in the audience he's got questions for Ben can can get involved. I'm also going to bring Sammy our wonderful.
Speaker 4
Dave
Glorious joy FM. Creator into this conversation as well, and she might just give us some cruises too.
Dave
What's going on with this platform? Stomach I can hear you, Sammy, can you hear me?
Speaker 7
Hi Ben.
Speaker 6
Speaker 7
Can you hear that now that?
Dave
I can't, no. This is very strange.
Ben
Hello there, I'm here. I'm here Dave David here.
Speaker 5
Interesting.
Speaker 7
I'm here, I'm here. I'm here is.
Speaker 8
Saying it is chatting away to.
Speaker 7
Get then do you wanna hang up and come back?
Ben
In course I will go.
Speaker 7
So well, thank you sorry Dave. Technical glitches for sure. What would be on?
Dave
Yeah, well, what we need is 19 department to fix this really, isn't it, yeah.
Speaker 7
Windows.
Speaker 7
Super Duper was listening.
Dave
It is really, isn't it? He's
Dave
Not a public site gives.
Dave
Us the opportunity to say to the rest of the audience.
Dave
If you've got any questions for Ben, give us a shout. And if you want to do what Sam is just done and dial into the show and be part of the show, that would be awesome as well.
Dave
We will look to hear from you. Yes, this is about learning from Ben as well. Speaking of which, is that you Mr Ben Whitaker?
Dave
No, it's not. If I click them right? Yep.
Speaker 5
Oh yeah.
Dave
He's he's windows Ben. Can you hear me now then?
Ben
I've always been out a year there before you can hear me.
Speaker 4
Yes, right away.
Dave
Amazing, I tell you.
Speaker 4
Dave
Maybe I should just put another ÂŁ0.50 in that metre and then we would have kept you for more than a couple of minutes.
Dave
I do apologise to everyone for that, and I do thanks so much for joining in and helping out there then I'm sorry mate.
Dave
I don't know what happened, but yeah, everybody could hear you, but I couldn't, so that was going to be a very strange 1 sided conversation.
Dave
So what?
Dave
Dave
Otherwise, where do we get to without one? I was asking you about your other.
Speaker 4
Dave
Projects wasn't a yeah yeah so.
Dave
Maybe not for me and what you just told the audience.
Ben
So I was just talking about.
Ben
I've been really fortunate an to to be involved with a number of wonderful organisations. I had a little bit of them an opportunity to do some, some talking at bat and the schools and academies shore, and a couple.
Speaker 5
Ohh this.
Ben
Ann and Andy Cafe an hour loads of lodge listeners will know the wonderful Mr Cafe from Canopy.
Ben
I've got some training opportunities with him an hour King's late let support post loads of others that can me and at sea learning Henry Global Order.
Ben
Really good people that just kind of took a bit of a chance on me and just said we like what you doing.
Ben
We like your ideas, Anne and I think what you what you, what you are about and what you're trying to do in the schools and colleges that you're working in.
Ben
I want other people to be able to see and so, so yeah, that was that was that was amazing and people took a bit of a pump.
Ben
Anne and yeah, good good good people that have supported, supported at work and actually do futurist then as is kind of spiralled into something other than just the podcast and I said just a podcast we've been.
Ben
We've been quite consistent about getting our episodes and interviewing some some wonderful people, and I know that I've just seen a question from Darren that I'll get into in terms of like my favourite guest individuals is kind of evolved into.
Ben
We had a bit of a summit a couple years back three years ago where we tried to get people together and whatever, and that's where we met Steven. That's why Steve got involved.
Ben
With the podcast.
Ben
And then we we started a couple years ago. The edge features towards which you mentioned in the intro where we wanted to celebrate teachers, schools, colleges from around the UK and Leanne actually last year.
Ben
First time we had an international award and we wanted to to really celebrate the best of the best. The people that are making a difference in education.
Ben
And then again, these wonderful organisations have always been partnering with us. See learning. Net support, canopy lots and lots of bank, you lots of wonderful.
Speaker 4
So.
Dave
Could have been cute a member company after as well, isn't it?
Ben
Well, yeah, well, I think that might come up in a bit of a future as well.
Ben
There that as we as we get.
Ben
Chatting about where I'm going.
Ben
So I suppose I suppose the question from from Darren about about a the best guest. I think it's if Wellard to pick that typical one and I.
Dave
Who's the best guest on if you Pierce?
Dave
30 favourite children
Ben
Was thinking that.
Dave
Isn't it?
Ben
Yeah, I will have one of them an.
Ben
It's easy to pick your favourite child, I think, and.
Speaker 5
She loved them.
Ben
Yeah, so I think if I was if I was to put my my house on what my favourite was it would. It would definitely be the one we Lord Jim Knight an I think right? Why should I don't know it's a few episodes ago actually if I'm just walking episode 85 it.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Ben
Does an sometime ago and we had a bit of a bit of a triple whammy that week. As we interviewed Professor Stephen Hepple then we then we have interviewed that the now Professor Bob Harrison and then and then more Jim Knight who he just talked about some amazing things about his experience in government, working Labour, government, ANAN, what it, what it looked like about the future of exams, an an and technology in about life. And then it just just magical really.
Dave
Fantastic, no Sammy suggesting that your best guest yet to come because she thinks she suggested that you interviewing somebody this week who might be pushing Lord Jim Knight close for that award.
Ben
Now we are actually we're doing 2. We're doing 2 episodes this week while on Thursday with Sammy and they're really good one on Friday.
Ben
Which probably will be our best episode, but we're not revealing who.
Ben
It is yet and we have got to this week is going to be gone now, but I'm really looking forward to 20 June.
Speaker 5
I.
Ben
Sammy an answer if ur more than anything else coz Sammy haven't used to work with Steve in Leeds just get some dirty secrets about Steve really an ecdis today.
Dave
Is there a?
Ben
I'm reckoning that Sammy knows loads of little things that he's done, so Sammy says it's gonna be carnage, yeah.
Speaker 4
Dave
Well, I guess that's talked about Ben's additional string stays bowl, So what about you guys? The audience? I mean this.
Dave
Fewer listening listening. I live now, but those of you on here listening to this afterwards on the podcast. Where did you tweet?
Dave
We are Joy FM and let us know what kind of things you do over and above your very, very complex work.
Dave
Working in schools already, and anybody who's listening live. If you want to drop messages in the chat, that would be wonderful too. And we are going to come back after a word.
Dave
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Speaker 7
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Dave
That was seamless, wasn't it? Is almost as old. When I dropped in, the fact that people get in touch with this, I have that Jingle ready to go. That's how you are.
Dave
People.
Dave
Dave
I'm not as bad as this at this present time. Lucky as I thought I was going to be an so this is radio and we planned a few things. We don't just throw things together, it's not like learning to swear. We rock up at 5:00 to 7:00 and go watch. We talk about tonight. This is a little bit more planned and the IT Department of our heads together and we've had a couple of meetings about it in the server room. Of course, cause that's where most comfortable and we thought. Well, what happens on radio shows? And we thought I really, really tenuous quiz would be the way forward.
Dave
So we're going to launch now.
Dave
And ongoing.
Dave
Ongoing.
Dave
Series of questions and it's going to be really, really difficult. Honestly, we are going to the Cryptic Edtech Quiz.
Dave
So for example, we did something similar with the enemy just before Christmas, which was cryptic. Bands name band names and you get the idea, don't you?
Dave
You come up with a cryptic clue, just like you're getting a crossword and instead of a band name where during the attack version of that. So we're going to have Edtech products or ad tech companies, or things like that.
Dave
They have got crypticclue. So for example if I said waterproof compute.
Dave
So.
Dave
Then we might think that the answer would be anybody's really quick on. The chats might be able to get in on this one now, so you've timed out, Darren.
Dave
I had my money on you. I thought you were going to get that warm and waterproof computer would be of course and Mac because it's waterproof and it's computer.
Dave
Sorry, it's terrible, I know, but it fills a couple of minutes and that's what I'm all about on this first episode.
Dave
So your question for tonight, which I'm sure Darren will get. But maybe he wants to hold back and let other people have a go for sorry down it wasn't cool now hopefully you reckon realised that you know that's that's a little bit off the mark there.
Dave
Tonight's question for the listeners. So Darren, I'm sure you'll hit this one in a moment. The question is, a speck of dust?
Dave
East
Dave
What Edtech product or company could that relate to when we vote with you and you can have a think about it and you can put your guesses in the chat if you want to.
Dave
In the messages, and will keep an eye on that and come back to it, but will also come back to Ben and bring him back into the conversation.
Dave
Because we've talked about his his time with age futurists and we talked about his favourite episode or one of his favourite episodes anyway.
Dave
But what else is being part of the futurist brought for you? Then? What are your other favourite and your future is memories?
Dave
And can you talk a little bit more about you, your summit, and your award events? Because that, I think, is something that would be really interesting to the listeners.
Ben
Yeah, I think the work we've done in terms of.
Ben
And we've done. We've been quite fortunate to do some, some webbing, eyes with some amazing edtech companies. Like I said, mention bank, you text help all those net support at Google.
Ben
We've done bits for them as well about about training videos and using using technology, but also kind of like thought pieces and so what's been really nice being able to pull people from the community together? The uptake community as well as the wider than the wider conversation.
Ben
Around an education more generally, rather than just technology, so that's that's been quite, that's been lovely, lovely, but that's it. That's a very north and it feels like an Organism.
Ben
That lovely and then.
Dave
So the north is either more.
Dave
Than a Welsh isn't one of the other.
Ben
Yeah yeah yeah, true. So I think. I think there's that and then then if I am honest I think last year our.
Ben
Is just eat what it did in terms of a in terms of like the separation and the kind of.
Ben
The thing that you enjoy about community and bringing people together, events, conferences, all those kind of things were kind of them.
Ben
We lost that, so we Miss Burton. We missed some of the opportunities for people to get together and we were quite quite fortunate really that we we rode the Crest of a wave in terms of the summit and who awards that we did and we got some just amazing amazing people who he got involved with our summit. So we had some Howarth from from us.
Ben
Earlier David Price Jamie Smith, Rhinos listing tonight from C Learning and the number of like amazing people who Rob horrible for Maguire, who came and spoke and told their story and give their insight as we looked at like from Danny Quilted, Danny Miller's formula for changes.
Ben
So it was really felt like a really powerful powerful event Anne. And yes, that that was a highlight for me. Some personal highlights in terms of people that I've loved reading about learning from.
Ben
Said David Price made friends like that.
Ben
Sam and David Price got our outstanding achievement in Education award last year as well, so so that was cool.
Ben
And yeah, although we missed it in person conferences and Andy in person like Summit and awards events, it was a really good opportunity to chew as above.
Ben
Second best we enjoyed the second best last year and they were doing it again online this year, but we have got some. Well, we've made plans for bringing it back face to face.
Ben
In 2022, So what fantastic?
Ben
What she spent on that?
Ben
Speaker 5
Most.
Dave
That sounds awesome, and I know from from being a member of your virtual audience last years event, it was tremendously well put together.
Dave
Very slick, very much the opposite of my presenting style tonight. Certainly what how much work goes into an event like that.
Dave
Because again, you know, we talked earlier about the opportunities that you've had and you created for yourself, but it can be easier that then. It's a. It's a hell of a lot of work to to put something like that on it.
Ben
It is thankfully we've got the the maestro Dan Fitzpatrick and who is technical genius? Really, he's stuff that he puts together in terms of production for the podcast and for the for.
Ben
Live events is just great and need a lot of design. Work comes from down as well, so so me and Steve just ride on his cocktails and not not. It does take some time Bogut dogging we do put. We do put the hours in.
Ben
Bought an it also comes from the involvement in the ever wider team of people. So like a sell out awards partners that they get involved.
Ben
Those as well as George is that we have and and then the presenters, so it's a bit above very fast, sometimes coordinating all put everything together.
Ben
When that render, throw that right now if I'm honest and getting judges together and we've got all them confirmed and we haven't announced him yet.
Ben
You gotta do it all in the right kind of order. I just get all the nominations right and then and short listing and now that all works, make sure its representative and an just like like I suppose. Like like Joy FM here that the idea around.
Ben
Including everyone and making sure that there's a representation of everyone and that when they were actually conscious about that as well, rather than an.
Ben
I suppose sometimes you just living your bubble and living your in the echo chamber. We have until having to widen our understanding and Anne, and that's what we're being absolutely intentional about that.
Dave
Yeah, and you demonstrating that really well? I mean, that's something that Andy and I have talked about on learning just the fact that we are typically pale. Stale males aren't we in this game? And it's you. I know that that.
Dave
It's not really an accusation, but that recognition could be thrown at you Steven down as well, because let's face it.
Dave
Yeah yours.
Dave
Dave
You know we're.
Dave
All over of a similar age and ethnicity, but it's really clear that you actively engaging and trying to learn.
Dave
I remember or I say I remember, is it general older. It's who you have on who was in different fantastic piece about that last years.
Ben
Yeah yeah, yeah.
Dave
Mum shows as well. It was. It was really fascinating and it's great to to have people setting examples like that for the rest of us to follow.
Dave
And once again, here you step ahead of me and Andy in that and we really recognise the government that you're doing. And I'm just going to looking at the some of the messages that are coming in P or no.
Dave
Thank you for joining. PETA will hear more from you a little while. Peter only says that the engine features live event was very well put together and better than the TS Awards in his opinion and I have to say I agree with him.
Ben
Very kind, Spokane.
Dave
Don't agree with that as well.
Dave
Yeah, O Sam is not over similar aged just like us to point out. Now that's true. Some of your significantly older than the rest of us. We recognise that mum.
Dave
Is that mum?
Dave
Dave
So still, nobody's got over a quiz. Remember, the question is a speck of dust. We've made it nice and easy for the first episode.
Dave
Darren hasn't got the remotest idea. The remotest idea. Now I'm sure you don't don't cause. I'm sure that you've never even heard of the product that you were out with refering to heat and noise, not Microsoft.
Dave
I'm afraid some guest keeper guesses coming in. That's all good though, and I'd also like watch right to the audience.
Dave
You know, I think it was it WA trust Ben what his favourite had. Your futurist episode was watched? What's the audiences favourite Edgy Futurist episode or favourite learning Doorstep is another favourite in tech broadcast took us some ideas back let's let's make this learning cyclical and learn from each other on this course that will be fascinating to hear while she send some of that to us. I'm going to drop in the next fantastic feature of the add texture and that is.
Dave
Horner's corner. At least I would do if I downloaded the right file, so that's just going to be a tease for you were going to come back to his corner in a minute.
Dave
That's just too just a bigger Peter who's going to is going to be presenting and sharing where there's something in the morning in a moment, so been, well, educational podcasts. Do you listen to?
Ben
I wish I listened to a few actually an I love to be fair our the kind of top top person that we we listen to.
Ben
I think we all listen to it from from from the Futurists. Easier is the pinnacle of podcast creators really and that's Joe Rogan. Love. Love what Joe does. An Joe lakat lakat. Awkward like annoying, but that whole idea around just.
Ben
We were kind of really.
Ben
Inspired by him, when you start thinking around Ann.
Ben
What how we, how he takes really, really diverse people and brings them together and and and not only easy diverse people in terms of in terms of ethnicity or age or gender.
Ben
But in terms of the topics we were talking about UFOs, one we can even talking about Bitcoin the next weekend if we talking about viruses and next weekend. So I suppose that's always.
Ben
An that's always been been used for, I think thinking about we first started really looking at the Google Teacher Tribe, which was Casey Bella Mac Miller, that there were there were massive inspiration for us, and I think when you trying to find the best of education this this is really difficult because there are so many so many out there obviously learning just out there. My attack buddies out there as well as as well as some of the others. An and.
Ben
Yeah, yeah, I think I was he called. I always forget what the title of his.
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Ben
His podcast is the one that at Al Kings he does we Mark Anderson an I really should know that's really bad. I should know that somebody will probably know it in the in the chat, but yeah.
Dave
Will they do the YouTube?
Dave
Show as well don't Lee as well as podcast.
Ben
Yeah they do. Yeah yeah I just. I just think I'm a bit of an.
Ben
Was it was aware that I'm always hunting for for new stuff and and I don't often stairway, podcast or or book or even even a TV show until the end.
Ben
It's got a really keep me so then yeah, I I'm a bit more of an audio book man. If I'm honest then then educational podcasts. But I do devour them as well.
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Dave
Yeah yeah yeah. And the audience is so insane that they've heard good things about my headset building as well, which you mentioned there.
Speaker 4
Yeah.
Speaker 4
Dave
I'm certainly a big fan of that and owns work there is. He's doing some great stuff in that sphere as well as all the other things that he does.
Dave
In fact, I'm amazed that he finds time to to join in and listen to. It is another very busy man, but shall we try again?
Dave
Shall we see if I can get my my record I can get over my second mistake of the night. It's just an excuse really for me to play this awesome Jingle once again.
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Horner's corner.
Dave
Yes, this is Horner's corner. We have been blessed by the wonderful work of one of the people who are listening tonight. Peter Horner. Peter is one of the IT department where he is one of the Archie Department who is probably far too busy fixing things or making things better for.
Dave
Everybody to be spending time on presenting the show. So what we've done is we backed him into a corner and we've said we'll give us 5 minutes each week.
Dave
Peter and and show off something that you think is absolutely wonderful and is going to be of great use to our audience.
Dave
So every audience, particularly tonight, might find this interesting, because it might just give you a little bit of help with the quiz.
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Dave
Dramatic pause.
Speaker 3
Hi for annoying pizza when and starting my ad tech corner, I'd like to introduce you to one of my favourite cream extensions.
Speaker 3
So at the start of lockdown last year, or is introduced to a new creation called Moat by John Neal, who is Master of all Things Attack and he showed it during a Google aesthetically demo Sam and had a minute to show this new app and instantly preview rainforest.
Speaker 3
Going to be a game changer for us. Essentially notes, empowers teachers and students to create voice notes. So, for instance, makes it easy for teachers to add voice feedback for students within apps like Google Docs, Google Classroom slides and sheets so you can quickly add a comment without having to worry about how it might come across when it's written down. So after I saw my time made available to all of our teachers and students learn.
Speaker 3
And it was an instant hit. Teachers, lights, mot as it was a lot faster. We generally type around 40 birds per minute, but speak up to three times faster.
Speaker 3
So this, as you can imagine, saves a lot of time in marking making it very, very popular with our teachers may also provides a much more user friendly feedback experience for students, so this is really important during lockdown last year as it helps us stay connected with our students.
Speaker 3
Even when we went together in the same classroom, another nice feature or not is fat voice notes can be transparent, which gives students more flexibility in how they get their feedback.
Speaker 3
So if they can never choose to read or listen or do both. After listening to feedback, students can reply to their teacher with an emoji to show that they've understood it, or if they might need a bit more help and process. Students can respond referring rates if we want to.
Speaker 3
Might have now added stem right? Which is designed for maths and science teachers, but would like to use equations or compounds and make transcriptions and Hafiz appear and be nicely formatted.
Speaker 3
Another new feature is remote. Now works with Gmail, so you can add your voice to emails so when you enable this you get mate button in Gmail which allows you to quickly record a message and have that inserted into the email as a nicely formatted mount card. And then you received your email can.
Speaker 3
Hypocrite button and instantly hear you back. Another new feature which is only just come out is mount. Now works with Google forms, so this is really good as it will let teachers design quizzes that include voice in a question and also students can then listen to that question and respond with their own vote.
Speaker 3
I think that's going to be a really useful feature for all teachers, but particularly from languages, teachers, and music teachers.
Speaker 3
Sorry if it's got you interested and would like to try out note then you can trust out for free. Just head over to adjust mot dot me. All search promotes in the Chrome Web Store. Mot is completely free to use but there is also a premium upgrade that extends. Refer to 2nd recording time to 97.
Speaker 3
But it's worth mentioning that both versions allow you to record an unlimited number of notes. The premium upgrade also turns in some other cool features, like transcription of Notes, Stem Mode, and translation.
Speaker 3
So another feature, it would be really useful for languages teachers, so I highly recommend trying out. Note I've had great feedback from our teachers and learners who are using it is a great soldier in lockdown, but also think is 1 going to keep on using for the future? So if you'd like to try mates just head over to just mates dot me.
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If you'd like to see it in action, I've got a couple of videos on my YouTube channel which is youtube.com slash.
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Peter Horner edtech. Thanks for listening. And if you'd like to connect with me on Twitter, my Twitter handle is at Peter G. Horner.
Speaker 3
Thanks for listening.
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Dave
And that was.
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Horner's corner.
Dave
And can't you tell how professional picture is very much in comparisons in comparison to me anyway, and will finish something off before we move on to to hear more from Ben.
Dave
I know that it's going to be a very difficult question to answer now, but will go back to our cryptic ad tech quiz just in case something might have given our audience across to what the answer may be.
Dave
Our question was a speck of dust know then let me cheque the cheque, the chat and see whether.
Dave
Anybody has got it?
Dave
This being a little, there's been a couple of people mentioning the solution. Now I don't know whether this is just accidental.
Dave
But of course I was solution tonight and I'm afraid there is no nobody. Nobody wins a car this time round solution to the question.
Dave
The fiendishly difficult question was, of course, Moz. A speck of dust is a mot, so I can't believe anybody managed to get that.
Dave
Even after that little hint from from Peter, but that's the answer to our first when you can look forward to more crowbarred in references to it products.
Dave
In the future episodes of the attack, show bravely listening to their texture. Can I just suggest to you before you go anywhere else?
Dave
Tomorrow night at the same time, 7:00 PM we have got the school show with an amazing gentleman who has been a stalwart of the chat already tonight with Darren who does a school show from 7 to 8 and then on Wednesday night. Sammy does the Fe show from 7 to 8 again and if you could and if you share this around socials, there may even be another show coming in the future. Although I might not be able to be allowed to tell anybody about that just yet, but.
Dave
No scratchy fingers, and that might come also if you want to get involved, please messages in the chat and please please if you want to get involved in hosting it.
Dave
Let's face it, I've set the bar really low for this, so I would expect that everybody can think. Well, I can't be any worse than Dave.
Dave
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Dave
Team then, did you have any chance of being able to work out the answer to that? Fiendishly difficult quiz question?
Ben
I was with you. David felt like he had been inappropriate for me as a guest, to have guest or guest bed guest see other then yeah.
Dave
Nice, very good, very good are.
Dave
You use a remote.
Ben
I am yeah, um I love it and in fact I reckon it probably half the amount of time, maybe even more than.
Ben
Am I the afternoon? A lot of a level marking that done as well recently. So so yeah, love it, love more and I love John as well.
Ben
Johns a great guy, so if you haven't found John on Twitter, you'll be more than happy to do. Very little bit of an instruction tomorrow.
Dave
Yeah, John Neal is producing some great to one minute videos for all the various tools isn't there just before I'm even as I need to.
Dave
I've only done the teaser introduction to tomorrow night, shall we? Darren, Darren is going to be doing mind superheroes tomorrow night. It is of course mental health week and he's going to be talking about children's mental health.
Dave
Tomorrow between 7:00 to 8:00 PM, so that will be a great show to drop into as well. I wanna be with producer Alan. Luckily he gets a producer. I got the bus dropping into mine to get me straight, so Sammy dropped in and helped it out which was which was fantastic and if you're looking for John Neils series of Moat videos, it's it's searchable. Under more minutes I think. Don't suggesting there so you have a look for Moat minutes on YouTube and you get some really good tips on how to use it.
Dave
So Ben, you having a bit of a change on you, whether that's related to to mental health and into to the use of motor, not.
Dave
I'm really not sure, but you may have been announcement really. You're having a change, a change of career in some ways. Do you want to share with us what's going on in your new venture?
Ben
I'm so I'm I've got just over 2 weeks left working at the College in in Burnley an
Ben
I have not seen a few months ago because I am going self employed as of the 1st of June.
Ben
I.
Ben
Got some opportunities to do some contract in for some tech training. A bit of consultancy. An yeah so excited up so I have set up what I'm calling round Peg, Square Hall, square holes and ultimately it's just an opportunity to.
Ben
To kinda broaden the reach of what I'm doing with technology now and a little bit of training stuff so and a wider stuff around design, thinking and cultural innovation. So yeah, exciting times.
Dave
Yeah, fascinating and it must be a little bit scary for you 2 to leave the safety and security of a of a regular income to go into into this venture.
Ben
Yeah, yeah it is. It is to an extent. However, I'm fortunate as Welland, there's one company that I've got a contract with that's kind of making it quite.
Ben
Stable, I suppose there's.
Ben
A little better safety net that goes with that. Just waiting on some some official announcements, but there is an opportunity for people to kind of get involved with that as well, so I'm going to be.
Ben
How to say it didn't mean that is what is above and exclusively effort for you guys. So as of as of the 1st of June, I'm going to be working quite closely with the team at Bank.
Ben
You an some of you may have seen Oliver Socials that bank you have got a bought a bus and not it's not bend the bank.
Ben
You bus driver as as as lots of people saying. So I'm gonna be going up and down the country an.
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Ben
With the bank you team on the roadshow and showcasing.
Ben
Showcasing banking products. But more than that about the the out technology can transform learning in schools, colleges, universities. So yes, I wanna be doing that in 10 days a month and will be going that travelling an so that's exciting and people can get involved. If you want to.
Ben
If they want the banking was to come to them over the next 12 months, you can do that. So just reach out to me on Twitter or the team at bank you and you'll be able to be able to put that in.
Dave
Fantastic started to reach on Twitter that at its Ben Whittaker that's right, isn't yet. Just one team with secure as well, not then.
Ben
I've not that I get precious about that, but yeah, it at.
Dave
Its been with care and the original Ben Whittaker I've heard as well. We want to, you know.
Dave
Like that impostor from Bury Grammar School claims to ride your coattails.
Ben
Well.
Ben
Well yeah, I'm I. It's always great when there's another Ben Whittaker, but when they spell the name wrong it kind of helps with my journey.
Ben
But I'm guessing he's probably emails that were meant for me and DMS on Twitter, so he's probably filtered out some some emails from moving out.
Dave
And he's a very good guy as well as deliver Ben Whitaker.
Dave
Is he, as I refer to him as?
Ben
He's listening as well, says he's lifting.
Speaker 5
He saying ohh.
Dave
Ben, I'm in so much trouble with, you know I have been your right mate. How you doing? Lovely to see your body.
Dave
I have always been my favourite band, which ago God I'm digging myself in deeper with the original Ben there dear, I'll tell you what I'm going to play Jingle.
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VR J FM. Keep the conversation going China's life by the COFINA wherever you get your podcasts after the show at joyfm.co.uk and on Twitter, we are Joy FM. Everyone in education.
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Dave
That's right, everyone in education. Every Ben, every Whittaker, everyone, you're all my favourites. Definitely definitely.
Dave
I think I got myself out of that one little bit. I'm not quite sure what about this feature them for around Big Square Hall, is it?
Dave
You've got some work, birds we've already just twisted your arm with your back to get one exclusive vote.
Dave
Given any other plans for the future that you can share with us tonight.
Ben
M well one of the things that there's loads and loads of conversations currently with with other companies and with other people that might reduce a partnership work.
Ben
One of the things that it's been big for his fridge features we've been talking about doing for ages and again, I'm going to throw this one out cause we've talked about doing it for ages, so this is maybe a kick up the jacksy to get it done. Which is we we've been talking about writing a book for awhile.
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Ben
So, so I will spend a bit of time doing that and then probably it's a case of the partnerships that we that we built and continue to build with great companies and with great schools, colleges, universities, each.
Ben
I suppose continuing that and look at opportunities for a suppose innovation and helping them with their cultural transformation as well. So yeah.
Ben
That's that's that's more a bit fluid at the moment. But yeah, this is. I think there's a few few ions in a few fires, so to speak.
Dave
Excellent, So what about our listeners? If they've got their inspired by by your jump into into this new sphere and and they're thinking of doing something something similar, what would your advice be to somebody who is maybe thinking?
Dave
Maybe I should do a little bit over and above what I'm doing in my day.
Dave
Job as well. When I watch it.
Dave
Before we get started.
Dave
Get.
Ben
Well I think for me an my wife said to me he can't walk on water unless you go out there, but that's what she said to me when I was talking about whether I should do it so.
Ben
And I think it's always worth being cautious an an analogical because.
Ben
Every time the Canary thinks that their insect related, now it is an and the reality is that face to face training as even though it might come, restart again, there's a.
Ben
There's been a probably a dramatic change in that in what that looks like, so our schools and colleges gonna pay for people to come and do a direct training. I'm not sure whether when they can get a webinar for maybe half the price or else.
Ben
So I think there's an. I think it would be cautious, but it also think sometimes you've got. You've got to step out and there are really good organisations of people that are out there, and if you are committed to your craft, committed to writing an content and sharing content for free, I think I suppose that hold that whole mantra that what goes around comes around and had given away Lord stuff for free. An written loads of stuff for free.
Ben
And let people before I ever got paid by anybody. So I think that's that would be my advice. Is he keep doing keeping U2 concert out?
Ben
Keep writing articles. Keep sharing that you want. You find it on tools. Keep sharing your mistakes as well as people like that. So that's why, yeah, that probably some advice.
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Is.
Dave
That's awesome, I think that that thing about sharing your mistakes and really being an example to people that it's okay to make a statement Maker Stakes.
Dave
I just made a mistake, that's fine, that's good, but I think you know I know that you and particular Steve talks about Black box thinking the book by Matthew said.
Dave
Yeah, in the past something that I'm reading at the moment and I found it fascinating and the number of conversations I've had with people.
Dave
Who have just eluded to this fear of owning up to mistakes in various industries since I read that book has been.
Dave
It's been really interesting. It's a real eye opener, isn't it? And you guys are massive readers, aren't you? In terms of informing yourselves about things to talk about on your podcast and getting guessing there, what's what's? What's your favourite book of the year so far?
Ben
Oh oh wow I am.
Ben
There's loads of my favourite if I'm honest. He's probably the power of us and David Price. What an absolutely magical book in terms of thinking about collaboration.
Ben
Everything that David writes his spot on, but I liked mentors by Russell Brand a little bit out there that I would put an.
Speaker 5
Not yet.
Ben
I'm almost finished an another book which is by Robin Sharma called the 5:00 AM Club which is maybe start trying to think about.
Ben
All in your morning routine just.
Ben
Of that I've got, I've got quite a few. I've got tribes to come by Seth Gordon that I've got on my bookshelf, ready an the J of not knowing another one that's come out of it. Yet I do right reading an I like.
Ben
I suppose with the way the way I look at it is that there's there's lots of little bits that you clean out of going out stuff rather than like, oh, I've gotta.
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Ben
I've gotta work through this and remember everything from it. These things that you remember, the power moment stuff and it's been quite have been quite influential in that, and I know that I know that we're all at lots of other BrewDog fans so business for punks is is really shaped the way we think.
Ben
But we read that a couple years ago. So yeah, some some some big ones that have shaped the way.
Ben
I think.
Dave
We're getting some good suggestions from people and the messages coming into the show as well. Jamie also agreeing with the power of us Darren suggesting that as a linguist he loves Tom.
Dave
Read Wilson done saying that he's a big fan of BrewDog as well. Yeah, so there's some good suggestions there and also hear something that we need to make the audience aware of under and show tomorrow he's going to be doing cheerful Tuesday again, which was his.
Dave
Far better, shall I say, attempts at introducing the feature into his shoulder and then over Cryptic Head Quiz. So that was that was an interesting poll last week, so we look forward to seeing what's on cheerful Tuesday this week.
Dave
Was it snooze or booze last time? I seem to remember is it having an extra let's just sleep or we're going down the pub or just chilling out in the afternoon that was that was interesting.
Dave
Something's going to be listening. Tomorrow's weather going to be down in some is listening. That's scary stuff. Drink or bunk that was it, not snooze or boost Mr saying I think mine was better to be honest for Tuesday.
Dave
But you know who knows, so yeah, so that's coming up tomorrow with Darren. And Speaking of things that are coming up next week on this show, the Edtech show.
Dave
I'm having a bit of a bit of a break and given another member of the IT Team Chance to get involved in this present in Milwaukee next week. So next week we're going to be joined by done mainly down news. Listening tonight.
Dave
So what's coming up on your show next week then?
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Thanks Dave, I'm done. Mainly I'll be your horse next week on the Joy FM Edtech show hosted by IT department training. At the same time as 7:00 PM on Monday the 17th of May. To join our conversation. All about professional development. I'll be joined by Mr Light, bulb himself. Andrew Caffrey of canopy. I can't wait to speak to you all next week.
Dave
Fantastic so two for the price of 1, just as you've got this week, you've got a bumbling host and somebody who knows what they're talking about.
Dave
Hopefully next week you'll have a less bumbling host and somebody else who knows what they're talking about. His Benson.
Dave
So final question for you for today then and also for the audience. Don't forget you can get involved in this chat as well.
Dave
Drop as a message within the app. What do you think? Then the future holds for the tech industry.
Ben
Oh, big question, have I suppose?
Dave
We got 6 minutes, you know, so you know. I'm sure. I'm sure you could condense everything into 6 minutes, can you?
Ben
Future, yeah, right? So I think one of the things that I would say is that there's been a. There's been a monumental shift, it particularly UK around assessment and what that looks like.
Ben
We've got to obviously teacher assessed grades, which aren't really teachers grades, and they are, and they aren't. And are they doing exams?
Ben
Are they doing a kind of exam by the exam board setting? It is marking it. I think. I think the future of assessment is going to be quite significant in terms of technology. What that looks like in terms of formative?
Ben
He's going.
Ben
Ben
Passports and then or digital passports where learners kind of learn on the go. Or rather than this terminal endpoint assessment of mopping up some of that will go.
Ben
Maybe that's just a bit of wishful thinking, but I certainly believe that there is a need for a rethink on it on an assessment examination.
Ben
I think the idea of a supposed more law stakes quizzing as opposed to that high stakes exams. I think. I think he's really, really important.
Ben
An offer that that will kind of come. Maybe that's a little bit wishful thinking, but if you're clever about things like blockchain and and big data and the fact that we've got so much data and we can we get so much information from learners if we can think about how we how we use that technology, that's out there too to assess learners without having to put them in the pressure of an exam room or or whatever else.
Ben
And that's coming from. We did pretty well in exams. I think I would like to see that coming.
Ben
There's a there's. There's an increased focus in the use of AI an I think there will be think there's already started to be that we've seen.
Ben
We've seen seen some cool things, and were Burnley doing some trial work around some stuff on nearly mind. So Foster AI we interviewed on the on the podcast without the guys from an acid called IE Business School in Madrid.
Ben
We have talked about about some of that stuff as well, so I think I think there's some stuff around AI.
Ben
But but one of the things I think is going to be really important use technologies.
Ben
How how we kind of considered like what we might call immersive learning an or or kind of what's the weather?
Ben
I suppose the idea that learners can learn on demand rather than teachers can learn on demand and CPD can be on demand, if not about no longer.
Ben
Are we going to have these at well? I hope not. Anyway, the CPD day afternoons or Twilights, where everybody has to learn the.
Ben
Same thing or yeah.
Dave
Yeah she dip. CPD is once funds.
Dave
Being referred to in the in the chapter.
Ben
Yeah, I think more and more that needs to needs to go and that personalised.
Ben
I think there's definitely some of that going to come. Then I suppose one bad thing. I think it's going to come out of it from a teacher POV and server machine.
Ben
Apart of you, I don't think we'll see much, much need for snow days anymore, but I do love a good snow there. I remember I remember being in teaching, loving love install days but I think.
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Now.
Ben
Gone are the need fresh Now there cause I think learning can happen outside of the four walls of a classroom comment.
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Dave
Absolutely, I think. I think there's still potential for a little bit of snow play, even a snow day. I think the idea of asynchronous learning that technology forwards as it means that the kids can go out.
Dave
They can lob chunks of ice at each other for a couple of hours and build questionable towers of snow in into strange shapes.
Dave
But then they can come in and catch up on the work they would have otherwise missed an. I think that Pandora's box has been opened there isn't it? We did.
Dave
Like I said, there's no going back with prove that we can work remotely there, so it would be interested in some of the messages coming.
Dave
From the listeners, people looking to see effective use of safe exam browsers for non examined assessments every SLT to have an edtech specialist involved in teaching and learning conversations, as I guess that that's kind of all our responsibility to get more people that badge event at specialist, isn't it?
Dave
Game.
Dave
Dave
Yep, and of course the biggest one. I think for the future of Edtech, as Darren is quite rightly said, is more stickers cause who doesn't love a good sticker, and that's I think along with along with pens, my pen stock is running dangerously low because we've not had bet and face to face meetings at conferences.
Dave
I used to come and stuck up my wife's pair pen draw that she uses in her lessons. Every time I went to went to bet so.
Dave
So that's something that's missing.
Dave
Who wow? It's two minutes to go to the end of the show. Ben, you've got me out the whole again.
Dave
Mate, have you filled an hour somehow with me even though even with my messing around and bumbling and the like?
Dave
Don't thank you enough for giving up your time once again to help us out. Oh I'm gonna minute final questions coming in. Does Ben fancy sending over some edgy futuristic Or's Dan's getting in there with the with the shameless?
Dave
Request for some merch.
Ben
You know it really interesting. We have got some some old ones from the reviews with whoever actually made any new ones for ages.
Ben
We have events and actually looking in my drawers were speaking. I can have some of the retro stickers now come with salt and let me know. I'll send you some retro. An Eddie futuristic is.
Ben
And I just.
Ben
Dave
Yeah, well done says just to pass them onto his mum. She's another Devon in joke there then. Thanks so much for your time guys who stuck with us to the end, really appreciate you doing so if you've enjoyed it, show really with your friends. If not then just keep quiet. Don't tell anybody that was rubbish.
Dave
Then then the other Ben Ben Tube N355, as I think he's no no. He's going to try in the corner because he doesn't believe me when I say that he's my favourite band. Whittaker, you're both my favourite Ben Whittaker and you guys are being my favourites audience. Thank you so much for joining us on the Edtech show and we will see you next week at the same time