NDX2 is my only naim gear so far and i love it . I listen to classic Fm everyday. Different stations for classical music all around the world.

I never thought I will listen to radio often again, but since I bought the streamer, I listen to radios for hours daily.

It shows artists and songs, so I searched all the pieces that I like on the radios. And saved them in my playlist.

Classical and jazz are my favorite, I also listen to jazz.

I just googled LFD and YBA , they are more tube like sounding right ?

Do you also use tube or tube like amplification?

I demoed Jadis tube pre + amp once with classical , it was really nice, what do you think? How do you compare the sound ?


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For many years, decades even, I listened exclusively to classical and eventually ended up with what might be considered a classically oriented system. Front end was a Meridian CD transport, DAC and digital preamp into Musical Fidelity Class A monoblocks into KEF speakers. In many ways it was a fine system, but I found I was listening to less and less music. Then I read a review in Gramophone, the classical music review magazine. It was by Andrew Everard who sometimes posts here, and extolled the virtues of the original Naim Uniti for classical music, so I trotted off to a local dealer who used to stock Naim to have a listen. I actually ended up with a CD5XS/Nait XS rather than a Uniti and went through a number of upgrade cycles before a complete change of my main system a couple of years ago.

In terms of fidelity of music I am not looking for the ultimate in audiophile quality sound. Just reasonable quality without breaking the bank. The ease of browsing the library and selecting music is what matters to me most.

If someone could suggest the kind of equipment/setup I should be looking at, without spending a great deal of money, that would be great. Would something like a Denon DNP-F109 do? This would match my existing hifi and apparently plays FLAC files. But its unobvious to me what kind of interface it gives for browsing your music collection.

If I am understanding all this, it looks like you need a DAC (digital analog converter) in order to get music out of your existing PC and into your Denon receiver. Generally speaking, you connect your PC to a DAC using a standard USB cable. From there, you connect the DAC to your Denon receiver using the analog (RCA) cables.

I am not familiar with Foobar2000 but I would think if you are happy with it then use it. There are other players available such as Roon which allows you to use devices like iPad to control things remotely. That said, I hear that players like Roon are not the best for classical music. For instance:

Lastly, you can use a NAS unit in a variety of means. A NAS can simply be used to store music files. A NAS, which is a computer, can also be used to play music. I suggest you get music playing using your existing PC and Denon system before venturing off to a NAS unit. Don't get me wrong, NAS units rock but one step at a time.

I have chosen instead to load all my library on Google Drive and use the Double Twist Cloud Player app on an Android tablet (also works on a Chromebook). I prefer the interface and that way I have my music available when I travel as well.

With foo_out_upnp you simply use your existing foobar2000 setup/user interface with the Chromecast Audio. All you have to do is configure foobar2000 to set the Chromecast Audio as the Playback Output Device. This does actually mean that it's foobar2000's internal music file player's audio output (configurable as either a raw LPCM stream or a WAV file stream) that is passed over the network to the Chromecast Audio, so the Chromecast Audio would not be receiving the OP's original FLAC files. This is the reason why the Chromecast Audio appears to be playing the files gaplessly, ie, its foobar2000's own player that's actually providing the gapless support as it is foobar2000 that's actually playing the contiguous music file tracks.

Contrast this to foo_upnp, where you are given a UPnP Controller popup window for controlling the playback, ie, separate to the main foobar2000 user interface. The foo_upnp UPnP Controller window can be a bit awkward to use, especially as you are restricted to only being able to use it to play the music file tracks placed in the special UPnP Controller Playback Queue playlist tab it provides on the main foobar2000 user interface. Also, in this setup, it will be the OP's original FLAC files that will be passed over the network and played by the Chromecast Audio. Hence, the lack of gapless support, as it will be the Chromecast Audio that will be playing the contiguous music file tracks.

Also, having gapless support does actually mean having the ability to preserve both any original/intended pause as well as any original continuous music between the contiguous music file tracks.

Incidentally, if you can get hold of a cheap (perhaps used) Denon DNP-F109, it may be worth getting as that network audio file player certainly does support gapless playback - especially if you decide to use a tablet for control instead of foobar2000 on the PC. A much cheaper gapless method, perhaps, but requires some (minor) DIY is to use a Raspberry Pi computer (+ DAC) with readily available free network audio player software.

A couple of approaches you can take, but you need to start with getting your music to a DAC collocated with your audio gear, a network "renderer". Cheapest worthwhile solution I know of is a Raspberry Pi with the Hifiberry Digi+ coax/toslink board with upgraded transformer, package should run you under $150. Other end of the spectrum is the Sonore microRendu renderer which connects to USB DAC, at $640.

The previously mentioned Denon DNP-F109, Chromecast Audio (with the BubbleUPnP Server helper software) and the Raspberry Pi (with appropriate software and DAC) are all UPnP "renderers" aka "streamers" aka "network audio file players". The main issue with the Chromecast Audio device is that (unaided) it does not support gapless playback, which for (undisturbed) classical music file playlist playback I would have thought a prerequisite.

Also, it's not clear whether the OP prefers to carry on using the foobar2000 user interface on the PC (and therefore prefers keeping its music library setup) so making MinimServer and use of controller apps on handheld network devices unnecessary, or not.

Seems to me that the most cost effective and relatively easy solution for my situation is with a chromecast audio, fed by foorbar2000 along with foo_out_upnp and the BubbleUPnP thing. Though if the chromecast is a upnp renderer, I'm not sure I fully understand why I need that in addition to the foo_out_upnp component. What is it doing that foo_out_upnp does not? I guess the BubbleUPnP can sit on the same PC thats running foobar?

Only problem I have is that the volume is low. It seems the volume level of music fed to the CCA is low and changing the volume within foobar2000 doesnt do anything. Only way I can see to get the volume to a reasonable level is to turn up the volume on the hifi which ends up with hum and speaker noise. I'm sure there must be a better way ... does anyone know how I can change the volume on the CCA or foobar through its foo_out_upnp plugin?

As long as the CCA is streaming and playing some music, its volume control slider should be available from Chrome via the Chromecast icon's Manage Cast Devices menu and the Google Home app's devices icon. Also, since you are using its analogue line out as opposed to its digital optical output, for best audio quality, you should switch its Full dynamic range setting on. It can only be set in the Google Home app (unfortunately the setting is not available on Chrome).

I was pretty disillusioned with SoundHound when I attempted to identify a piece of classical music that I recognized but could not remember the name to and the app told me that the song could not be recognized. After some further tests I found it would/could not even identify, among many other famous classics, Beethoven's 9th Symphony. Turns out SoundHound only identifies rock/pop music.

To be honest I think it's a bit of an unreasonable ask to expect the current generation of audio-recognition interfaces to identify a piece of classical music by only its composition and tie that to the composer. It's important to remember that what courses through the veins of all of these services are massive databases filled with quickly parseable identifiers that allow them to quickly compare the current input what something already known. 0852c4b9a8

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