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The most (and boy do I mean most) valuable features in Norton ghost is the ignore bad sectors option. With this option you can actually backup a damaged hard drive, to some degree at least. If the drive is badly damaged it might not be able to read past the defective areas. However in my experience it usually will. And of course like the older versions of ghost it can perform a sector by sector cloning or imaging of a drive.

There is one reason at least: when the boot CD/floppy doesn't recognize the external/USB/Firewire drive. This is exactly my case. I have the original norton ghost boot CD but unfortunately it just recognize the drive on which i have several partitions C:, D:, ... So i backup my system C: on the other partition D: but the problem is when i have a hardware problem on this drive, i'll also lose my image backup which is on D: on the SAME drive!

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I use norton ghost 9.0 which do the backup of C: while the system is running. In other words, i don't need to go to DOS to backup. It does the job right since i tested it several times. When backup is finished (under running XP), i boot with the norton boot CD which takes me to a norton "OS" with basic windows and asks me what to restore. The problem is that it shows me only one disk and not any other. So i have to store my backup on the same disk e.g. on D:

Anyway, i feel confident to boot from CD rather than from floppy. The problem as i said , is that it seems this boot CD (which is the original one from norton) doesn't recognize my other hard disk drives probably because of lack of the right drivers.

There is one reason at least: when the boot CD/floppy doesn't

recognize the external/USB/Firewire drive. This is exactly my case.

I have the original norton ghost boot CD but unfortunately it just

recognize the drive on which i have several partitions C:, D:, ...

You obviously did not realize it but -- you just described your problem when you indicated you were "using the original Norton ghost boot CD". The original CD may NOT have the support for USB , Firewire' and the Hardware (and associated Drivers, etc) you have on your computer.

i'll not suggest you to upgrade to ghost 9.0 since IMHO if your version does what you want there is no reason to change anything (as i'll not upgrade to ghost 10.0 myself). However i'd like to let you know, based on some reviews about different versions of ghost (that i found on google but i'm not able to tell you where) that the version 9.0 is a huge improvment. For example it can do a warm backup while XP is running. Personally i don't think this is enough reason to upgrade but i believe there are other reasons maybe worth a look (i don't remember what).

Reading again the manual of 9.0, it says: in order to be able to restore (when under the original -and only one- ghost boot CD environment) from an external (e.g. USB HDD) device not recognized by the boot CD, when seeing the choice for booting on CD, one has to push F6 and then the system asks for other drivers and the user must provide them.

This is in theory the way ghost 9.0 takes care of devices not recognized by the original -and only- boot CD. However i have not tested it yet for the following reasons (i'll give it a try in the following days because i know there is no risk to do it):

in 2004 when ghost 9.0 was released, they should have include at least USB drivers in the CD, provided they are unique and not dependent on mother boards (if they are different on each mother board, then i can understand). I have not yet tested an external USB hard disk but in case it is not recognized, i really don't know where to get the USB drivers. In hardware management of XP, i have a long list of USB devices (i guess each corresponding to a port) that mostly point to the same two drivers in windows/system directory. Are these the ones i have to provide to ghost boot CD and how ?

i have two internal HDD: a Maxtor with C: and D: and a Western Digital with just one partition (I:). Since my WD is not recognized by ghost, as i said earlier, i backup C: on D: (in addition to DVDs). But where in the world can i find a driver for my WD disk!!! when buying HDD, there is no driver delivered, just the HDD in a plastic bag. And i can understand that because the STANDARD windows drivers dealing with IDE, SATA, etc. should take care of these HDD. And this is confirmed when i ask the XP system management to detail me the drivers for HDD. They all point to the same two drivers

IMHO even if XP writes on other partitions than C: and can't boot if it can't find what it had previousely writen (because of changing disk), then ghost should have been able to find them and write them back at the right places, since this is not a physical copy (it does take as much space as the available data, not any more) and ghost should know each OS's characteristics.

This is not the case for ghost as i have been told several times in this forum that it's possible to restore on another disk. However nobody told me about the restriction you said. So either it still exists but since people always backup the entire disk, didn't notice it, or the restriction doesn't exist anymore on 9.0.

i'll not suggest you to upgrade to ghost 9.0 since IMHO if your

version does what you want there is no reason to change anything

(as i'll not upgrade to ghost 10.0 myself). However i'd like to let

you know, based on some reviews about different versions of ghost

(that i found on google but i'm not able to tell you where) that

the version 9.0 is a huge improvment. For example it can do a warm

backup while XP is running. Personally i don't think this is enough

reason to upgrade but i believe there are other reasons maybe worth

a look (i don't remember what).

Very interesting to know anyway. However as i said that doesn't

apply in my case with ghost 9.0 which doesn't let me to make even a

floppy boot disk.

Reading again the manual of 9.0, it says: in order to be able to

restore (when under the original -and only one- ghost boot CD

environment) from an external (e.g. USB HDD) device not recognized

by the boot CD, when seeing the choice for booting on CD, one has

to push F6 and then the system asks for other drivers and the user

must provide them.

This is in theory the way ghost 9.0 takes care of devices not

recognized by the original -and only- boot CD. However i have not

tested it yet for the following reasons (i'll give it a try in the

following days because i know there is no risk to do it):

least USB drivers in the CD, provided they are unique and not

dependent on mother boards (if they are different on each mother

board, then i can understand). I have not yet tested an external

USB hard disk but in case it is not recognized, i really don't know

where to get the USB drivers. In hardware management of XP, i have

a long list of USB devices (i guess each corresponding to a port)

that mostly point to the same two drivers in windows/system

directory. Are these the ones i have to provide to ghost boot CD

and how ?

Digital with just one partition (I:). Since my WD is not recognized

by ghost, as i said earlier, i backup C: on D: (in addition to

DVDs). But where in the world can i find a driver for my WD disk!!!

when buying HDD, there is no driver delivered, just the HDD in a

plastic bag. And i can understand that because the STANDARD windows

drivers dealing with IDE, SATA, etc. should take care of these HDD.

And this is confirmed when i ask the XP system management to detail

me the drivers for HDD. They all point to the same two drivers

c:\windows\system32\drivers\disk.sys

c:\windows\system32\drivers\PartMgr.sys

IMHO even if XP writes on other partitions than C: and can't boot if it >can't find what it had previousely writen (because of changing disk), >then ghost should have been able to find them and write them back at >the right places, since this is not a physical copy (it does take as much >space as the available data, not any more) and ghost should know each >OS's characteristics.

This is not the case for ghost as i have been told several times in

this forum that it's possible to restore on another disk. However

nobody told me about the restriction you said. So either it still

exists but since people always backup the entire disk, didn't

notice it, or the restriction doesn't exist anymore on 9.0.

thanks adrain. i currently have norton ghost 15.0 which cant be used for anything after win7. looking for a product that can still be used with my older norton ghost images and can be used for win8/10 onwards.

I realized that I haven't given you enough information to solve my problem. I am trying to set up a VM of the Win 2003 Server R2 that I currently have running... That is running the VMware... I have a ghost image of it... and want to restore that into a new VM and run the converter on it...

In the 'real world' when I boot from the ghost floppy it recognizes the USB hard drive and I can restore the images from it... I mistakenly thought the new VM would do the same... Same floppy same behavior... but not the case... So I need to figure out how to get the image some place that I can access it...

i have same problem when creating custom recovery disk, blue screen just after all the files are copied to temp dir. i have no problem using my burner with file manager or media player so why is there problem with ghost 14? do you guys plan to fix this? i just want disk images and i don't think it should be me experimenting and fixing this after i paid $70 for the product.

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-------------------------------------- RE: Dual boot XP Pro and Norton Ghost cjcoyle (MIS)(OP)17 Nov 06 17:32First of all, thank you all very much for taking the time to help me out. Rick I really think you have a great setup there and I will implement that as much as I can. I've built a universal ghost boot CD and I use the menuitem option in the config.sys to select the proper network card when ghosting via the network. The testbed pc's are going to be ghosted from the second partition, so I will store and execute the images from the HDD.

The only issue now is, how do I automate the reboot and force ghost to execute?

Thanks guys!

-Chris RE: Dual boot XP Pro and Norton Ghost Rick998 (IS/IT--Management)18 Nov 06 06:49Make sure the Ghost executable is stored in the same partition as the source image file then add a menuitem to the CD's boot menu to change to the partition.

Remember that if the first partition has been formatted as NTFS then any DOS boot CD won't recognise the partition. As a result the CD menuitem will have to change to C:.

If, however, both partitions have been formatted as FAT32 then the CD menuitem will need to change to D: then run the Ghost executable with the following switches:

CODEghost -clone,mode=pload,src=d:\fixdrive.gho:1,dst=1:1 -rb -sure

This will avoid you having to include this in a 'fixme.bat' file. Alternatively, include a 'fixme.bat' file in the second partition and change the CD menuitem to point to the second partition and run the batch file.

The Ghost switches mean:

-clone,mode=pload = load partition from image file

src=d:\fixdrive.gho:1 = use first partition in an image file called 'fixdrive.gho' stored in root of D: as the source image file

dst=1:1 = use partition 1 of disk 1 as the destination

-rb = reboot automatically afterwards

-sure = don't ask for confirmation, just do it.

Again, you will have to adjust the 'src=' switch for the location of the source file from D: to C: depending on whether the DOS boot CD recognises the partition.

Note that you will can eject the CD as soon as Ghost starts, otherwise when you come back the PC may be sat waiting at the CD boot menu again.

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