Unfortunately, the option to deactivate this feature is hidden in the sub menus and must be reactivated each time I want to watch a movie and then deactivated each time I want to listen to music. It is therefore very tedious to manage.
My previous 5.1 amplifiers allowed to listen by default only the original format of the audio content. And I find it a real drawback that Sonos does not offer this option when you associate surround speakers with the sound bar.
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Strictly speaking, it is not an echo effect, but an unpleasant impression for me.
After several tests it is clear that the stereo sound is much more detailed than the sound with surrounds speakers.
I never would have thought that it would have been so difficult to have stereo sound after adding surround speakers.
The key issue I discovered is Sonos does not allow rear speakers in a surround sound system to then also be used in stereo with a turntable as the line-in and Bluetooth become disconnected. You would have to uncouple the rear speakers and set them up as stereo each time you want to do this which is time consuming.
i have the same issue. its hard to believe i have to navigate sonos 2 app system settings when going from surround for TV vs playing music. absurd, i think i will sell it all and buy something else. The app is just not intuitive either.
My kitchen is open to my living and the first generation play 5's were great with the playbar. So I forked up more mula to get the woofer and boom needed new app and new play 5's because woof woof wasn't compatible.... so I'm in it for a lot of dough and it's all a disappointment cause now to make it work easier I should get a pair of play 1s and separate the systems. I can't even use this forum without pop-ups, sorry I'm grumpy about it all
Really everyone with a surround setup would like this.
I replaced my 2 Sonos Ones for the Era 300 with my Arc.
The sound when I watch movies is truly phenomenal. But the 2 Era 300 as a stereo pair for music is much nicer than in a surround setup with the Arc.
For years, a function with the Arc of Beam in a surround setup has been requested:
- When sound comes in via the HDMI on the Beam or Arc, use the 2 Ones, 2 Era 100 or 2 Era 300 as a surround setup.
- Streaming music via the Sonos app using 2 speakers in a stereo setup.
They definitely Sound better when unpaired as surrounds and paired as stereo than set as stereo in surround mode with full option. Stereo sound is deeper, have more clear. And no soundbar! Surround mode sounds like from casette tape
It means that just because I've never been active on the forum doesn't mean I'm a new Sonos user; I've been using it for 7 years. The mention of 10 years comes from seeing a forum thread about this feature created 9 years ago.
I know that with the music source, the rear speakers work in stereo mode, but this only applies when playing music from the Sonos app, which is, to put it mildly, limited, or via AirPlay. I use Apple Music, and to listen to music with the rear speakers in stereo mode, I have to play it from the Sonos app (lossy) or AirPlay (lossy). To listen lossless, I have to use Apple TV through HDMI but then i have rears in ambient mode. It would be much easier if there was an option in the Sonos settings for "TV Music Mode." Many users are missing this option, but unfortunately, Sonos isn't doing anything about it.
Using the Sonos app is a real pain, searching and browsing feels like a joke. And when I do find something I'm interested in, I can't add it to my Apple Music playlist directly. I have to go to the Apple Music app, search for the track there, and only then add it to the playlist.
I use Apple Music, and to listen to music with the rear speakers in stereo mode, I have to play it from the Sonos app (lossy) or AirPlay (lossy). To listen lossless, I have to use Apple TV through HDMI but then i have rears in ambient mode. It would be much easier if there was an option in the Sonos settings for "TV Music Mode." Many users are missing this option, but unfortunately, Sonos isn't doing anything about it.
Using the Sonos app is a real pain, searching and browsing feels like a joke. And when I do find something I'm interested in, I can't add it to my Apple Music playlist directly. I have to go to the Apple Music app, search for the track there, and only then add it to the playlist.
I have been looking at moving me stereo short doco films with background music to a surround experience. At the moment the design is fairly simple, interview vocals center and music as it comes from the artist (stereo). What can you guys suggest to move the music towards using a full surround experience. I am looking at subtle exposure, not over the top use of the surround stems without compromising the original quality of the music. The sound effects are more natural to mix, so I am not too fussed about them.
The way I normally start when mixing music for 5.1 (mostly in feature films, but sometimes also in documentaries), is to pull the music slightly towards the center, so that it isn't strictly L-R but more L-R with a little bit of center, so you don't get too much of the "hole in the middle" syndrome. Sometimes I pull it back a little too.
Normally I then apply a hall reverb to the surround speakers, leaving it pretty dry in the front and almost totally wet in the surrounds. This way the music surrounds you without having too much of the direct sound coming from behind you.
If I have stereo stems of the music available, I will pan the softer elements more to the back than the percussive elements, and be more selective about which tracks I feed to the LFE channel. If there's no particular bass information in the channel, there is no need to send it to the sub.
The more tracks I have available for mixing, the more specifically I will pan them across the LCR front, for instance narrowing the bass down to the center channel (and LFE of course), or pinpointing the close mics of the orchestra across the screen. I may also use an extra reverb in the front, to give the narrower sounds a bit of spread. I will also narrow the reverb a bit so it isn't strictly LR.
The real advantage when mixing in 5.1 compared to stereo is in my opinion more the enriched clarity and higher fidelity that comes from using more speakers, than it is the fact that you can have sound coming from behind.
The simplest solution is to worldize sections using subtle reverb and send that to the surrounds. You have to be careful what you send to the surrounds and how often as sounds arriving from behind the audience can often make listeners feel uncomfortable.
Logic is easiest for surround panning as you just change the output to surround and you can use the planner to position your centre point and alter the stereo spread across the 5.1 field. This also works for auxiliary busses for your reverbs.
Protools is a bit more faffy - you cant adjust the centre spread of the audio - only the centre positioning so the easiest way is to create 2 reverb busses for each reverb, Position 1 of them in the front 2 speakers and the other one in the back two. Copy the reverb parameters between both but slightly alter the back reverbs to compensate for HRTF and that kind of thing. Then send each track to both to create an imersive experiance,
From everything I've heard, mixing music into the surrounds is supposedly a big no-no. Same goes for mixing dialogue in the surrounds. Personally, I like mixing music in surround, and depending on the context of the dialogue, I'll mix that in surround as well I'm not one for playing inside the rules or playing it safe unless it's a QC or broadcast spec I have to adhere to. With music you gotta show the people in the back a bit of love too imo. It's not like it's a specific sound effect that will really draw the listeners attention away, so it can be done... but simply done carefully and tastefully, same goes for certain types of dialogue as well. Personally I think surround mixing still plays it a bit too safe. We have this awesome technology and a lot of mixers are still afraid to take chances and push the envelope. Some I might add, are quite amazing at this. If you listen to the surround mix for Inception Gary Rizzo mixed A LOT of music into the surrounds... for that matter it was sometimes only in the surrounds.
When mixing music in surround (which I would typically do in Pro Tools), I'll usually have it in the Quads pulled back around 10-20% from the front and I'll set my divergence to 80% all the way around, that way I'm not hitting the LS and RS too hard, it's not too wide and I'm just giving it a bit of surround space to make it a little more immersive. Sometimes I'll send it to the LFE depending on the scene and what the mix needs. I'm extra careful with that though. I don't ever use verb on the music though. If it's incidental music all bets are off and it depends on the source location of the music in the surround field. In that case I would use verb on the music. On top of that, it also helps clean up a bit of headroom in the L+R and leaves a bit more space for SFX and DX.
With the purchase of my laptop I was offered a upgrade to a Soundblaster X-fi for my laptop for 20$. I have a 5.1 surround sound set up in my basement and when I plug in my laptop (with the soundblaster card) with an HDMI cord to the receiver, all the music I play on youtube only goes through the 2 main speakers I have. 152ee80cbc