Realistically we can't be putting too much logic into a magic ball that predicts the future. The ball seems to do prediction not precognition, as such what it shows would only be simulated. This means that what we see can either be not real(holograms or something similar) or not of the ball.
Well in regards to what the ball produces during the PS. We were told in a dev interview that it was opening actual portals and pulling from the Mists (which are known to connect all times and places); effectively it was creating and pulling from fractals of the future.
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What comes out is not from Tyria, but from the mists. Similar to any fractal what comes out is nothing but a copy that has no place on the timeline. Just like in a fractal, nothing you do has any effect on the future. And just like a fractal the copy is degraded so what you see is not exactly what happens(hence why the infinity ball never worked). It looks like reality, but it isn't, it's a copy. Hence Alternate reality.
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You have a countably infinite supply of numbered balls at your disposal. They are all labeled with the natural numbers {1,2,3,...}. At 11h30, you put in the urn the balls labeled 1 to 10, and then right after remove the ball labeled 1. Then, at 11h45, you put into the jug balls 11 to 20, and remove the ball number 2, etc. In general at $\frac{1}{(2^n)}$ hours before midnight, you put in balls $(n-1)10+1$ to $10n$, and remove the ball labeled $n$.
I know that the most accepted answer to this question is that at midnight there aren't any balls left in the urn, because if you consider ball $n$, you know that it has been removed from the urn $\frac{1}{(2^n)}$ hours before midnight, and hasn't been put back at any subsequent step. Thus there can't be any balls in the urn at midnight.
I know that the fact that this problem is very counter-intuitive is probably that it is not worded in any particular axiomatic system, so you can have multiple interpretations of the answer. I know that the above reasoning implies that after midnight, there can't be any balls in the urn that have a natural number of them, and I also know that there are only balls with natural numbered labels available, so that would imply that the jug is empty, but it still is not that much convincing.
consider the following different problem : At the start, there is one ball in the jug labeled 1. Then, at the first step, you remove ball 1 and put in ball 2 at the same time. Then, you remove ball 2 and put in ball 3, etc... There is a ball in the jug at any time, so certainly there should still be ball in the urn at midnight, but it can't have a natural-numbered label.Consider also the following : in the previous problem, after removing ball #2 at the second step, but back in ball #1. Then at the next step remove ball 1 and put in ball 2, etc. At midnight there is no way to know if the ball is labeled 1 or 2. (probably because the limit of the series $(-1)^n$ doesn't exist?)
My question is : Is there any more satisfying way to formalize this problem, or to explain it that would resolve the paradox that the number of balls in the jug gets constantly larger, never diminishes, and that at the end there is nothing left in the urn?
In the article "A beautiful supertask" (Mind,105(417):81-84, 1996), the author Laraudogoitia considersthe situation with Newtonian physics in which there areinfinitely many billiard balls, getting progressivelysmaller, with the $n^{th}$ ball positioned at $\frac1n$, converging to $0$.Now, set ball $1$ in motion, which hits ball 2 in such away that all energy is transferred to ball 2,which hits ball 3 and so on. All collisions take place infinite time, because of the positions of the balls, and so the motion disappears into theorigin; in finite time after the collisions are completed,all the balls are stationary. Thus:
A similar example has the balls spaced out to infinity, andthis time the collisions are arranged so that the ballsmove faster and faster out to infinity (using Newtonianphysics), completing their progressively rapid interactions in finite total time. Inthis case, once again, a physical system that isenergy-preserving at each step does not seem to beenergy-preserving throughout time, and the energy seems tohave leaked away out to infinity. The interesting thingabout this example is that one can imagine running it inreverse, in effect gaining energy from infinity, where theballs suddenly start moving towards us from infinity,without any apparent violation of energy-conservation inany one interaction.
I find such paradoxes to be most useful (to mathematicians) pedagogically, because it allows students to apply their mathematical intuition and give them some investment before formalizing their handling of infinity.
You can formalize this problem by talking about limits of sets, where the limsup of a sequence of sets consists of the elements that are in infinitely many of them, and liminf consists of the elements that are in cofinitely many of them, and the limit exists if these are equal. In this case, if we look at the sets of balls in the urn at each time, we see that the limit of this sequence is the empty set. Of course, as you point out, in the case where you keep putting in 10, the limit of the cardinalities is $\aleph_0$, and in the case of taking 1 out, it doesn't exist. So I think what we get out of this really is the conclusion that taking cardinalities is a discontinuous operation...
There is a paradox involving the series 1-1+1-...the terms can be grouped in pairs each pair summing to zero(1-1)+(1-1)or there is the following regrouping1+(1+1) -1 +(1+1=1+1)-(1+1)...which each pair of series following+2^k ones minus 2^k-1 ones starting at k=3 and continuing to infinity.This grouping will produce the same pattern as those in your problem. This involves regrouping an infinite series to change values.This is related to Riemann series theorem that if an infinite series is conditionally convergent, then its terms can be arranged so that the series converges to any given value, or diverges. see the following for more information:
I'm just rephrasing what other people have said, but more or less you are telling us this. You have function $f$, defined on $\mathbb{N}$ which is the number of balls after $n$ steps. One can actually compute $f(n) = 9n$.
For me, one reason why the accepted answer to the original problem is somewhat "less than satisfying" is that it answers the stated question by rephrasing into a supposedly equivalent question. "How many balls are left at midnight?" Changes to "Can I remove each ball before midnight?" Our experience with completing finitely many steps in long (i.e. not infinitesimal) lengths of time tells us these two questions are the same... But I don't think they are.
After all our prior experience with series and sequences tells us how to answer the first, by taking a limit. At any time before midnight we know how many balls are in the urn, from $\frac{1}{2^n}$ before midnight until $\frac{1}{2^{n+1}}$ before midnight we have $9n$ balls. For any number of balls $M$ we can find a time $T=$ ($\frac{1}{2^n}$ for some $n$) where for all times $t\geq T$ (before midnight) we have $9n>M$ balls in the urn. i.e. as we approach midnight the number of balls is unbounded.
We also know how to answer the second phrasing of the question. "Yes, we can remove all the balls before midnight" By the aforementioned name the ball I'll tell you when it left method. At this point I think that "When all balls have been removed there are none left" is a tautology.
"If, instead of placing the removed ball in different spot, you place the "non-read label ball" back into the countably infinite supply is this now equivalent to throwing in 9 balls at each each $\frac{1}{2^n}$?"
The reason this problem has the generally accepted answer of 0 balls in the jug at midnight -- among mathematicians -- is that for any given ball, one may follow its itinerary: at some point it goes into the jug, and then at some point no earlier it leaves the jug, never to be moved again.
Thus it would be easy to formalize a generalized class of problems so that one may prove rigorously that as long as each ball n is moved only finitely many times before midnight, it is at midnight where its last motion took it to.
The infinitely-many-marbles problem was probably created by the mathematician J.E. Littlewood in the early 1950s, and was popularized in Martin Gardner's Mathematical Games column in Scientific American, where "zero balls at midnight" was given as the correct solution. (See A Mathematician's Miscellany, J.E. Littlewood, Methuen, 1953.)
Let first consider a simplified problem that has much simpler solution. Suppose each step you add 9 balls, just like in your question, but the steps are separated by equal intervals. You start at time $0$. What number of balls there will be in the urn after infinite time? e24fc04721
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