The Quint spoke to the couple, the man's family, and their neighbours in Rabupura to understand how this cross-border love story catapulted a small village in Uttar Pradesh to international fame and headlines.

The couple and Sachin's father Netrapal Meena were arrested by the Greater Noida police on 4 July. Seema was arrested for entering the country in violation of the immigration laws, and Sachin and his father were held for sheltering her.


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"Sachin is my husband, I can't live without him. We got married at the Pashupatinath Temple in Kathmandu earlier this year. If I'm sent back to Pakistan, I will be killed," said Seema, hours after the couple was granted bail on Friday, 7 July by the Jewar Civil court.

"Islam or Hinduism do not allow marriage of a woman with a man until she is divorced. I urge the Indian government to send Seema and my children back to Pakistan," the Hindustan Times reported him as saying in the video.

I had a situation from Gili Trawangan back to Bali where the speed boat (not so modern) I was on almost capsized in high waves. The crew was acting recklessly, and a part of the wall started to come through mid-journey. It was a frightening ordeal altogether.

It is wonderful to have you here. Thanks for spending so much time. This is, of course, part of the team, but a big part of the team. They all have been working very hard, very grateful for your time, and all looking forward to getting back to Jakarta tonight, so we can continue all the great work of partnership.

SECRETARY CLINTON: Thank you so much. (Applause.) Oh, my goodness. Well, this has been an extraordinary couple of days here in Bali. And I have a new rule. Every international conference should be in Bali. (Laughter.) And the President is looking forward to coming back soon. You are going to get rid of me, and then immediately have to turn around and get ready for him. So I hope you have a few days of respite.

And, as some of you know, I was determined to do that from the very first time I visited back in 2009, when we said we would sign the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation. I came back, told the White House, "We are going to sign the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation." They said, "The what?" (Laughter.) I said, "You know, it's a friendly, cooperative" -- but it has worked out very well, because we do believe that we have deepened and broadened our relationship.

So, I want to thank you. And I know you do it under difficult circumstances. Sixty years has taken its toll on the Jakarta chancery. And as you prepare for a transition into a new facility, I know you've been working out of sheds and temporary buildings. Sometimes the power goes out, or the water stops running. But your commitment doesn't stop in any way, and I thank you for that. And I thank family members who support you here in Indonesia, and back home.

And I particularly want to thank our local staff, because you are the backbone of our operation, as you are around the world. Year in and year out, ambassadors and counsels general and Foreign Service officers and secretaries of state come and go, but you stay. And you provide the continuity and the experience and expertise that we need. And that is greatly appreciated.

Our history of commerce actually stretches back farther than our history as countries. When Christopher Columbus set sail in 1492, he was of course headed for the Spice Islands, now known as the Maluku Islands in modern day Indonesia. And as the record shows, he got somewhat lost.

Aparna Pande: Thank you Dr. Rajagopalan, I'll come back to you. Dr. Odgaard, if you could provide us with an overview of how Europe looks at Indo-Pacific and maybe touch on how it sees us relations with India.

Dr. Rani D. Mullen: First of all, I wanted to thank you, Aparna, and the Hudson Institute for organizing this really timely event and also thank you to my fellow panelists who have laid out the issue quite succinctly. I think we've all been so caught up in COVID and the American elections that we forget there are some really important policy issues that we need to be on top of. So, thank you very much for organizing this. On the US and the Indo-Pacific, while a recognition of the growing importance of the Indo-Pacific region can, of course be traced back to the Obama administration, it was the Trump administration which came up with a rebranded free and open Indo-Pacific concept in late 2017. And of course, with that also, they expanded the geographic definition of what this region encompassed which was from the coast of California to the eastern shores of Africa.

While this aspirational goal was to be pursued by working with regional allies, and the Trump administration did create several initiatives to work with partners to counter China's forceful behavior in the region, the actual implementation of the free and open Indo-Pacific strategy was, as we know, held back by President Trump who often preferred to go it alone with his America First idea. And he had no qualms about alienating some of America's oldest allies in the region. It's also important to keep in mind that Trump's periodic cozying up to authoritarian leaders in the region, like North Korea's Kim Jong-un, after all, who can forget Trump gushing with praise for him during the 2018 Singapore Summit while ignoring his human rights record. These kind of episodes have severely undermined American soft power globally, but of course, also in the Indo-Pacific region.

So, President-elect Biden, we know from his previous work and his previous offices that he has occupied, that he's a great believer in multilateralism and alliances and partnerships. So, I would say that we are much more likely to see a strengthening of alliances to push back against China's tactics in the Indo-Pacific. Some of these tactics, of course, are quite coercive. And but I think we will see that President-elect Biden will continue the hard line be savvy China, and put greater emphasis on building partnerships in the Indo-Pacific. I think we can see that through some of his nomination. Of course, he's, not an office yet, so we can only predict but I think there's some clues.

There are also a couple other designated individuals in the incoming administration such as Adewale Adeyemo who is slated to be Treasury Secretary, Janet Yellen deputy. Adeyemo was the international economic advisor to Obama, who helped negotiate the Trans-Pacific Partnership. So, who are some of the deputies? Katherine Tai who's the designate, US Trade Representative. She's Mandarin speaking, nominating her peers to signal a tougher approach to negotiating new deals with Beijing. But that's in line also with what Biden has pledged to show China that the US won't back. That this is a continuation of a tough policy.

Second, when India undertook its mass mission in 2014, again, the India, ISRO, the Indian Space Research Organization and NASA came together to collaborate in deep space communication, and so on and so forth. So there are some very, very interesting collaboration that are taking place. And of course, to look at the entire array of environmental issues and so on and so forth, natural disasters, NASA and ISRO are working together on NASA-ISRO synthetic aperture radar, NASA X satellite being developed and to be launched on us Indian Satellite Launch Vehicle in the next couple of years.

Aparna Pande: Thank you Rajagopalan, I may come back to you in the next round for further elaboration on a few issues. Dr. Odgaard, I was hoping to sort of draw you out on the notions of you've written a lot, and you've spoken on panels that I have been on about the need to uphold a liberal international order and how for Europe, in many ways, maybe the economic dimension and the desire to hold up a liberal international order, are some of the important areas when it comes to Indo-Pacific. If you could elaborate a little bit on that.

Dr. Rani D. Mullen: Lots of questions there. Let me just first say that the US shares many of the concerns that Europe has with regard to this region from individual actors to the larger sort of real politic issue of China and balancing through partnerships against that aggression in the Indo-Pacific. And one way that the US and that the EU and others can help is not only by building these alliances, but as you mentioned, development assistance. Actually giving countries other choices. You mentioned India. People think of India as the new kid on the block in terms of foreign aid. But as some of you might know, actually Indian aid, Indian development partnerships go back quite a long way.

A couple years after India gained its independence in 1947, it was already giving assistance to Maynmar and other neighbors. So, it's not new Indian engagement, it predates China's assertiveness in the region. It's part of its foreign policy package, if you will. But quite a bit has changed in terms of Indian foreign aid. So, let me just sort of as a background, or say a couple words about Indian aid, Indian development assistance and what has been changing.

India has also been engaging in building up its soft power by giving development assistance to rebuild Hindu temples at Angkor Wat in Cambodia, or, for example, the Afghan parliament building, which I already mentioned. Some of these projects are not very large if you just look at them in dollar terms but they send a message of India supporting a democratic country in the region and giving grants. All of India's aid to Afghanistan is in the form of grants. China doesn't give grants and it's footprint is mostly economic and often with coercive tactics and strings attached.

So, certainly much of India's foreign aid engagement in the Indian Ocean Rim countries is, to get back to the topic of China, is really with the aim of countering China's growing presence in places like the Maldives or Sri Lanka. It notably has continued with its aid commitments despite the Indian economy reportedly contracting as much as minus 9%, their thinking maybe for this year. That tells you I think, how important building these relationships are to India in terms of countering China in the region. And I think this is also very important for the incoming Biden administration to keep in mind with regards to partnerships in India. I'll stop there because there were many other questions you touched on but I'll turn it over. e24fc04721

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