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I am 100% for the resurgence in hymnody, but I think that our modern/western connectivity to hymnody is much closer than chant, so the link between modern congregations and hymns is more apparent than modern congregations and chant. Not saying we shouldn't use chant, but I think we should at least understand that there is a difference in the historic nature of hymns and chants in light of our modern congregations.

One thing about historical traditions that have been left by the wayside is that often they were a part of that particular culture, better utilized for that particular group of saints. Sometimes things aren't in practice anymore for a good reason. Chant will work for certain congregations, but for many I fear it would simply be a hindrance, dispite intentions and teaching, just as some African or Chinese traditions might not work over here. I wonder if in the future people will look back at rock and roll as a bygone tradition and seek to reinstall it into their worship. I hope they ask, "What are the benefits to the congregation?" other than just, "It was old and the church used to do it"

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Only recently have I realized the importance of this chanting by the congregation. At all of the college ministries I have been a part of, not too many people would have a chant (like "Of the Father's Love Begotten") cross their mind. When we all sing a cappella, I feel more connected to the congregation, not hiding our voices under the instruments and vocalists up front. It reminds me of singing the doxology as well. It seems as if we are all one voice which is a powerful setting to be a part of. Thanks for the reminder of the importance of this Zac.

Not only did I never go back to a Life Teen Mass, I started the next Sunday to go to the Orthodox Church. There I felt like I was worshipping God and not having earnest adults try and fail to make religion relevant to me by assuming I was too young or stupid to understand real worship. It was fifteen years before I ever had to participate in anything similar ever again. By this time, I was a priest and I had been asked to preside over a Holy Hour for young people. The youth minister in this particular parish was very sensitive to the fact that Praise and Worship was not my thing, and she warned me ahead of time.

Worship is indeed a type of praise, and music is an integral part of it. But the sacred liturgy is the public prayer of the Church, a corporate worship by which baptized Catholics enter into a Mystery which is not of their making. Being a corporate action, it is governed by law and tradition so as to preserve its unity throughout the world and its fidelity to the Message revealed by God. Worship is a Christian act of the baptized gathered by bonds of communion with the visible institutional Church.

The deliberate manipulation of the emotions by P&W often produces an excess of sentiment. The very strength of that feeling can induce some to think that such an event is the work of the transcendent God in them. Musical forms which truly are transcendent, in that they disengage from the emotional and bring the person above their emotions, such as Gregorian chant, are rejected because they do not necessarily cause an emotional event, which is seen as proof of divine action.

Fast forward two decades or so. I happened to be singing at my first parish again, now under the pastorship of a solid monsignor who was sent in after a scandal rocked the parish, a scandal that was probably necessary in order for them to be shaken out of their 1970s liberal religion. He asked me to help him provide a course correction and to move slowly. On one occasion, a fellow thanked us for presenting good music appropriate for the liturgy. Then, almost on his heels, a gal who belonged to the parish when I was helping with the P&W music in the 1980s proceeded to chide me by questioning where my energy and enthusiasm had gone. Why was I doing dusty old hymns? She wanted something "dancey", as she put it, like the "good l' days". My response was that I remained entirely enthusiastic, but that I had grown up and my convictions about liturgical music had matured to better reflect the rubrics. I think she would have had a fit if she knew I, as so directed, was moving the parish toward plainchant, which I did introduce on major feast days.

Fr. Smith thank you for your original posting. It is interesting that you mention boomers as being such an integral part of the P&W group. It seems that they have not moved beyond what they thought was relevant to them as teenagers during that uncertain time of the sixties and seventies. The assumption traveling with them is that what was relevant in the sixties and seventies to them is now relevant to young people today. However, relevance is a loaded word. So much of p&w music is "feel good" music which, alas, is often not well crafted. That can be found on any radio station or internet station and is usually performed stylistically and musically better than what is performed in church. What is forgotten is that liturgy by definition means "work" not laid back lounge music or environment masquerading as liturgy. As I see it, so much of what is promoted as worship (worth-ship and liturgy) is an unfortunate result of educational failure. In other words, the church is not succeeding in educating members of what is done at mass, how it is done, why it is done and why it is important. I look out on many Sundays and see so many congregants/assembly members are totally disengaged: "ears have they and hear not; eyes have they and see not; tongues have they and speak (sing not)". In other words, really not fully there. Additionally, immense dilution has taken place. For example, we no longer have numinous, instead we have environment. The two are not the same. Numinous is "filled with a sense of divinity, of the holy". Atmosphere is an "aggregate of social and cultural conditions". The two are not the same. Other examples abound. The church has a tremendously huge job to do in reversing the trend in so many parishes and regaining what has been lost! In other words, reform of the reform. Again, unfortunately, not being satisfied with a reductionist approach to liturgical celebration and its related arts is often misconstrued as arrogance.

The style of which the music is played doesn't actually have anything to do with the words that are sung, nor does the style of music write a particular intention on anyone's heart. You could sing identical songs in praise and worship style that were sung as "regular" songs. Ever sung praise and worship style songs in Latin? I have! Maybe you need to visit Steubenville. ?

As a professional Church minister (musician, theology teacher, youth minister, w/ a masters degree in theology) I've always found it best to help people learn to praise and/or worship in a variety of ways. That includes more modern, charismatic styles (which is actually in someways a recovery of early church and ancient Jewish worship) and the traditional hymns and chants that carried the prayers of the church through the dark ages. There is no one musical/liturgical style that trumps all others although some certainly deserve a certain respect and even preference given their role in liturgical history.

And not to criticize you as a teenager too much here (but since you seem to still uphold that story as an exemplary act, I'll proceed): to stand apart from the rest of the worshiping community and claim "I'm a real Catholic" is about the least Catholic thing you can do. Moreover, why you would pray the rosary when you should be participating in mass is beyond me. Not that I'm saying we should always go with the crowd but its not like they were consecrating pizza and kool aid, they were gathering around the altar. The mass is about the "body of Christ." That means we not only receive it from the altar, but we embody it in our community (read 1 Corinthians, and Vatican II for that matter, while your at it, how about Augustine's City of God, this is nothing new.)

now, I encounter this tension between fidelity to the rubrics and fidelity to my community all the time when I'm at a church that does not kneel during the consecration. I would rather kneel (as is the norm) but the Church allows for some exceptions and I can be just as reverent standing if I work at it. Moreover, it speaks powerfully to all stand in unison rather than draw attention to myself during the time in the mass when we should be focusing on worshiping as a community and participating in the prayer of the sacrifice. The middle of mass is not the place for me to speak my dissent, its time to worship with my brothers and sisters. I miss something of Christ's sacrifice in the mass if I don't see His body all around me. While the mass is in some sense something "Christ does" it's not as if we are mere spectators. We have a real role to play. Christ doesn't need the mass, we do.

in closing, chant? fine. p&w? fine. It shouldn't' be either/or, it should be both/and. Lets all learn to worship/praise etc. in a variety of ways so that we can better receive and be the body of Christ.

so rather than criticizing another way of worshiping and saying "you must do it this way" (which btw is not what the Church teaches) why not explore it and try to learn from it? Obviously there is something of God to be found there if people find fruit through it (I learned that little lesson from a dude named Jesus). So lets learn what we can from one another and teach what we can and may we all learn to worship together.

have you ever gone to a mass in a an African community? I think your comments about drums "NEVER" being appropriate to the Eucharist are a bit narrow minded. There are many ways to worship. Rather than criticize, why do we not try to learn to see the beauty that others have found?

I know there are many musicians here have tried contemporary music, but found better, authentic liturgical music that is sacred, not secular, so one can experience God as Holy, so we can live our life holy as He asks us to do. I've tried contemporary music myself, I wish I can find something to learn from contemporary music musically, spiritually. If we insists on following one's taste in music for the Holy Mass, not following the Church's instruction that is expressed in Her tradition, we will not be worshiping God, we are worshiping ourselves and our pride, no matter what you say and sing with your lips. 006ab0faaa