Details of Meeting 4
Region: The AmericasDate/time
Thursday August 24th 2023 at 0900 HDT (Hawaii) / 1000 AKDT (Alaska) / 1100 PDT (US Pacific) / 1200 MDT (US Mountain) / 1300 CDT (US Central) / 1400 EDT (US East Coast) / 1900 BST (UK) / 2000 CEST (Central Europe).
Chaired by Robert Alexander (New York Institute of Technology).
To join the meeting, please use the following link: https://nyit.zoom.us/j/92574349726?pwd=cWVpb3F1WUFxN2VrQkZRSEJoejUvdz09
Agenda
Welcome
Background to ISCET so far (presented by Matt J Dunn)
Outline of the role ISCEV plays in developing guidance for clinical visual electrophysiology (presented by Ruth Hamilton)
Identifying professional clinical bodies to approach to (a) determine current international eye tracker usage and (b) expand ISCET membership
Formalise ISCET's mission statement (currently three aims proposed):
To maintain guidelines/standards
To represent the clinical eye tracking sector
To maintain reference datasets
Begin the process of formalising committees for each of the three regions (Europe/Africa, Asia/Australia, Americas) – noting that, due to the time zone, this meeting focuses on the Americas
Any other business
Meeting recording
Attendees
10 people attended the meeting.
Notes
The following points were raised:
Broadening membership
The ISCET website currently does not appear in Google search results. Consider purchasing a domain to increase exposure, and using search engine optimisation.
Sending the survey to individual clinicians is likely to increase ISCET's exposure
Some specific contacts were suggested to spread the message, including neurologists and a representative from Apple
Forming a board of directors now would increase visibility
Survey of current clinical eye tracker use
Discussed whether the planned survey (which aims to understand current international clinical eye tracker usage) should solicit a single response from each professional body, or if it should seek individual responses from members of those societies.
In favour of only getting one response from each professional body:
Simplifies statistical analysis (dealing with disproportionate numbers of responses from each discipline)
Different privacy policies for each professional body may make it difficult to reach some members directly – could bias the results?
In favour of soliciting responses from individual members of each professional body:
More likely to pick up individual usage of eye trackers, even if the practice is not recognised formally by the professional body
Increases engagement with ISCET
Consider whether funding bodies should be surveyed (as they interact with clinical researchers)
To identify more professional bodies, ISCET should contact more clinician-researchers
A template email will need to be produced to contact professional bodies
Results of the survey planned to be written up as a group paper
Organising committee
Only a few roles required at present:
General co-ordinator
Vice-president for each of the three geographical regions
Communications secretary
Unsure on best terminology to use for committee roles – MJD suggests avoiding titles that imply top-down decision making
In time, the following roles will become relevant:
Treasurer
Membership secretary
Representatives for each of the clinical disciplines that ISCET serves
Manufacturer representative (this role may need to rotate regularly to avoid conflict of interest)
People in committee roles initially could be for a short period only (until there is enough membership to formally vote for committee members)
Early career individuals to be prioritised at this stage for committee membership
Robert Alexander opted to take on role of vice president for the Americas, and Matt Dunn will continue with overall coordination. Still seeking people to fill other roles; all initial roles will be temporary until membership is broad enough for formal committees to be voted in.
Other points
Care should be taken if including manufacturers and regulatory bodies in the development of standards, as there could be a conflict of interest. ISCET will need to determine how to handle conflicts of interest and competing viewpoints.
ISCET should consider whether guidance needs to be given on the use of consumer eye tracking devices for clinical purposes
However, if ISCET standards define minimum requirements, it is then up to manufacturers to meet that standard if they want to be ISCET-compliant
The group agreed the mission statement.
Should a representative from the FDA be involved?
Should ISCET be pushing for eye tracking tests to be given 'codes' (to allow clinicians in the US to formally charge for them)?
Next meeting
Items raised for the next meeting agenda:
How can ISCET include input from manufacturers and regulators without undue bias due to conflicts of interest?
Continuing to identify committee members
Chat
13:58:27 From Matt J Dunn : https://sites.google.com/view/clinicaleyetracking/meeting-4-2023-08-2414:05:54 From Robert Alexander : Mailing list: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=ISCET&A=114:13:59 From Robert Alexander : https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PEvsrl2qs6pvmmxtKRYsnvZQWLtMMfwu2MJzzlouysA/edit14:26:21 From Jorge Otero-Millan : Some Neurologists: Janet Rucker: <REDACTED>Aasef Shaikh: <REDACTED>Ji Soo Kim <REDACTED>John Leigh: <REDACTED>David Zee: <REDACTED>14:27:10 From ari zivotofsky : I am stepping out for a few minutes14:31:37 From Jorge Otero-Millan : Clinical eye tracking vendor examples: https://natus.com/products-services/ics-impulsehttps://www.interacoustics.com/balance-testing-equipment/visualeyeshttps://righteye.com/14:41:14 From Stephen Macknik : Beau already resonded. He says, "Interesting! <REDACTED>"14:41:59 From Ruth Hamilton : I have to leave at 19:45, thanks for asking me along again14:43:44 From Stephen Macknik : FYI: here is what I sent to Beau Watson as a query. This same short could message be sent to leads in a number of industrial partners to harvest emails for a later call for input from ISCET: Hey Beau! Could you send me your email. We are forming a new society (ISCET) to serve the eye-tracking communities (research, clinical, industry, etc) and we would like to get some leaders from industry on board, to make sure we are on track promoting initiatives that will get into industry and have an impact in society.14:46:54 From Matt J Dunn : Ruth is the president of ISCEV, which has served as a model (so far) for ISCET: https://iscev.wildapricot.org/standards14:47:01 From Jorge Otero-Millan : Reacted to "Ruth is the presiden..." with 👍14:54:22 From Matt J Dunn : https://sites.google.com/view/clinicaleyetracking/about14:54:23 From Robert Alexander : o To maintain guidelines/standardso To represent the clinical eye tracking sectoro To maintain reference datasets15:10:17 From Jorge Otero-Millan : I need to go to another meeting. Nice work!15:11:24 From Robert Alexander : Ideas document for the survey: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PEvsrl2qs6pvmmxtKRYsnvZQWLtMMfwu2MJzzlouysA/edit