I've finished the game on Lightside as a male (without making any of my party into Jedi for some reason; apparently I was just one conversation away on most of 'em, and had enough influence, but just never followed through... grrr...). Now I'm playing it through on Darkside as a female just to see the differences. And, yes, I feel very, very guilty... (That poor dancer; I keep collecting her tips just for fun. I don't really need the money. I'm just so... so... bad...)
Gain or lose a ton of influence and you can convert them. Never played female so I don't know, but perhaps that's how you influence him, or just keep him around a little longer to see if you can get another point or so on his "kiss his ass" sheet?
Kotor 2 Disciple Influence
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That only leaves Onderon & Dxun left to gain influence with Disciple. Has anyone found a spot to kick Disciple up a notch on this final world for me? Remember, I'm playing Darkside this time. (And he's showing up as pretty evil already... he just won't let me train him, and he won't tell me what his beef is with the Jedi; both return "[failure]" notices in the conversation still.)
I found Disciple to be the easiest to turn into a Jedi my first time around. I didn't even have to take him out and about in my party, I just ran through his dialogue tree. I was a goody-two-shoed light sider in my female game, so maybe that had something to do with it? If he's in your party when you first get Visas, he'll be the one you talk to and you get influence if you say the "I didn't mean to hurt her" bit. But he's a naive little boy who likes sweet little girls, so the options in the dialogue tree are pretty obvious. He never did tell me what his problem with the Jedi was, though.
I, too, found that I turned Disciple into a Jedi without even trying in my first play through, as a horridly light-sided goody-two-shoes. When I play as a darkside female I just cannot turn him at all no matter how much influence I have. By the same token, turning the Handmaiden seems very difficult as a darkside male so perhaps there's an alignment conditional on their ability to be Jedized.
I've played through the game twice so far, LS then DS, both times as a female Exile, picked up Disciple immediately after Telos in both games, and Jedified him on both paths(the DS Jedi training dialog is far more interesting). I'm currently on a third game, am considerably dark and I haven't even met Atris yet, so we'll see about the influence loss you seem to get when meeting Disciple. I can't be sure if you lose any there when DS, as I was neutral at that point, and didn't put him in my active party (or speak to him) until after getting Mira on my second planet, Nar Shadda.
As for the rest of your post: you're pretty much dead-on about losing influence with Disciple if you're DS, Scott. In some situations you lose no matter what you say to him. A tip is to just hold off going DS (remaining mostly neutral/slightly DS) until you've completed most of Disciple's dialog tree, do some evil junk, THEN train him to avoid losing too much influence. If you do this, then even with the below, you should still be able to train him. If not, a single good deed should be enough to make him budge.
But yeah, here's an example of influence loss: The typical "OMG, what happened to your face/you're falling to the darkside, blah blah blah" dialog you get with all the characters as you move closer to the darkside isn't so typical with Disciple. He has deified the Exile and views her as a heroine; to see her in a state that contradicts everything he believes to be true crushes his perceptions of her and makes him doubt, thus a loss of influence. You can even gain DS points at the same time despite not threatening/insulting him! Regardless, in both runs through the game, I still managed to Jedifie him, and he was even further down the alignment bar than I was, nearly maxed out. Creepy.
Anyway, here are some possible and sure places to gain influence or avoid losing any, though naturally, you'll need to bite the bullet and accept LS points for the former. If you already know of these, then I'm sorry I proved so useless. BTW, I've noticed that if you're shooting for dialog from a particular character, it's best to have him/her/it in the second party slot, next to the Exile, or just have him/her/it the only person with you. This is to make sure another character's dialog doesn't overlap, as some seem to take priority over the others. Sometimes BOTH characters respond, but... not always.
I had a problem my second time through when I think I made him a Jedi before finishing a piece of dialogue (Something about why he didn't like the Jedi.) Even through I'd maxed out my influence with Disciple (I saw cutscenes after I did nice things with Disciple in the party and he said "wow that was really nice of you" I still wouldn't get any more influence with him) I never did a success to hear that dialogue, so watch out for that.
I'm inclined to believe such is the case for you, as I've also missed getting the "what's your problem with the jedi" dialog in BOTH playthroughs... (I couldn't gain more influence, couldn't get that dialog, but was able to make him a Jedi. Ergh.) and it infuriates me. I love dialog, and thus have to read/hear everything in a game or a part of my brain implodes. So... just try to remember to exit before asking him anything else.
...Of course, there's always the possibility that to get it, you have to lose (why would the option be there, though?) enough influence with him... if so, GAH! It would make sense, though... I suppose. He does say he doesn't wish to trouble you with his problems, so maybe he'd give in if he thought less of you. Then again, it could very well be a bug. The alloted influence you're allowed to gain with Disciple seems to be a lot less than, say, Atton. Atleast, that's what I've noticed. Heck, it could even be due to the "rival" thing with Atton and Disciple--if you gain too much with either or, you can't gain enough to get all the dialog paths with the other, maybe? By the time I hit Dantooine both times, I had a good bit of influence with Atton. I'm going to try doing the opposite and see what happens.
But... since it already seems to be "maxed", you could be screwed, to tell you the truth(unless, as of this posting, you haven't saved the Mandalorian on the cliff on Dxun yet--see further below). Sometimes in a run through the game the alignment/influence system gets all wonky, resulting in an inability to properly gain influence(Had this problem with Visas). If you're really set on getting all his dialog, you'll just have to play through the game again, something other players seem disinclined to do, as they don't think much of Disciple. Pity.
All right, I've blabbered on enough. The following is a general Disciple influence gain guide (though you did ask for Dxun/Onderon, and they're near the bottom if you wish to look. As I said, it's probably too late, unfortunately. This may be useful though if you do play through as a female again.) Being how craptacular my memory is, this will be incomplete, but I'll do my best to remember the more important dialogs.
TIP: I lied. I have one more thing to say before getting to the "guide", and it's a general tip for all characters. A very useful one, too: Don't kill innocents! ... Unless you have Kreia in your party, that is. If you don't mind losing (or gaining at the same time, thereby nullifying the loss pretty much) influence with her, after the familiar "didn't realise what I was doing", etc. from the other character in your party, Kreia will berate you and you respond in whatever way you wish, but it will be as if Kreia preformed a mind trick on the other character and they'll GAIN, even if it contradicts their personality.
1. During the initial meeting with Disciple in the enclave, don't bother discussing anything and just exit the dialog and he'll offer to join. (If you do, you may lose your chance at gaining influence as you've already activated certain dialogs and can't get them again because they disappear. The game doesn't register this because he has yet to actually JOIN the party. I've had this happen with Mandalore since he doesn't actually "join" until after you flee Onderon) Say he looks capable, blah blah, and you'll gain influence. (a no-brainer, I know, but I feel the need to add this in for complete...ness) For kicks, bring Atton along and he'll complain. If he's the the first character to respond he'll go on about how the party's already full, and if he's the second, it's something along the lines of "Oh great, he's coming with us. Let's throw a party"... If memory serves correctly.
2. First ask him what it is he does, and he'll mention he's a historian/scientist with some medical knowledge. Go back to the original dialog tree and say "you mentioned you had medical knowledge" or such. Exit the dialog completely and talk to him again. This time, tell him you're in need of healing, even if you aren't. Afterwards ask him if that healed everything and he'll respond with something that is supposed to be flattering (I actually LIKE Disciple. Hah, take THAT, naysayers!). Finally, Tell him his words are appreciated to gain LS points and influence, I think. If you've "maxed" his influence, this won't work. The gain, that is. As always, before asking him anything else, exit the dialog just incase. And no, this can't be done over and over to gain influence. The option to thank him disappears after the first time.
NOTE: Do NOT continue this dialog if you're DS (Which you are. Sorry). If you do, after asking if that healed everything he'll say it did, physically, but there's still the spiritual problem you're having. Everything you say here will result in a loss of influence (and DS points for sure if you respond, can't remember if you get any if you just exit), even if you don't pick any of the responces and just exit the dialog. Remember, you can still have him heal you, just be sure not to ask if he really healed everything. be457b7860
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