Mars Hill 6/13/10 Rob & Shane

posted Jun 13, 2010, 8:31 AM by Roger Zuidema   [ updated Jun 13, 2010, 9:14 AM ]
The Talk: 
Week #1:  The big Jesus.  Differences in perspectives, but the same person.

Today:  How can we be this Church that handles the differences?

What is said at Mars Hill by the leaders and preachers, can there be differences, with out controversies?

Paul Letters: 
1 Corinthians 3
On Divisions in the Church
 1Brothers, I could not address you as spiritual but as worldly—mere infants in Christ. 2I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready. 3You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere men? 4For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," are you not mere men?  5What, after all, is Apollos? And what is Paul? Only servants, through whom you came to believe—as the Lord has assigned to each his task. 6I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God made it grow. 7So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God, who makes things grow.


Paul for whatever reasons, the Church is identified with the leader and not Jesus. 
Tendency to base trust on what can be seen, not on what is invisible. 

Rob and Shane is not the master they are servant interpretor of Jesus.  They are people wrestling with God themselves. 

They don't take yourselves to serious.  They are only there to plant, not there to make grow.

With a big Church.  You are open to all kids of disagreement.  Allowing space for that to happen, is ok.

Mutually friend named Zac. Brought Shane and Rob together.  Instant connection, for this teacher thing. 

When you talk your throw yourself into it, but you also let go of it.  A paradox.  Control of what you say, but lack of control of how other engage to it.  Once person plants, the other person water, but God makes it Grow.  Only one master!

Matthew 17,18,21
Lot's of time in the bible. Jesus asked What do you think.  Many other passage the as the questions.  How do you read it?

Jesus may be comfortable with people seeing things different?

Is it ok?  Differences. 

The body of Christ.  From the trivial to profound differences. We must be centered at the table. 

We are wearing lenses and hearing things at different angles.  CRC and RCA. 

How you agree everything that is said from the stage, there?  Wait that is why we are hear, to ask questions.  To talk about it.  We are just interpretors of the masters.  Plenty of room for that.

Figuring out what it means to be true to Jesus in the World we live in?


Firm Center......it frees you to be able to handle all sorts of diversity. 

But what about true disagreements.  Right and Wrong stuff?

Shane:
1)  Fortify and confront.  Seek and destroy.
2)  Cut ties, leave.  Because I don't want to be associated with.

Sometimes the disagreement is not what it appears to be. 

The bud before the blossom.  Extract it so soon, you will miss the beauty of what God is planning.

The challenge is to determine what is a weed and what is a wild flower.

















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