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// those chat lines really hit you in the ass Dan
Mon May 18 17:14:36 +0000 2009 <ccg->dk> HOLY.. Last phone bill was $1200, Dan.
  I can't keep paying these. Please be somewhat responsible when this is
  debiting my acct.

Sun Apr 26 23:42:49 +0000 2009 <dk->Beaker> you know, I wonder in what decade
  Sotirov will finally suck it up and read my slides

// Dan and Dino would make a nice couple
Mon Mar 23 19:46:54 +0000 2009 <rmogull> I like Dino a lot- he's just young.  I
  think if he got a serious job, with other good researchers, he'd  come a
Mon Mar 23 19:44:30 +0000 2009 <dan> deciding whether to try to extricate dino
  from the idiot squad. The rest are worthless to corporate but I think he's
  recoverable
Mon Mar 23 19:47:22 +0000 2009 <rmogull> It's funny- my first thought was,
  "he'll never do something like that after he hits 30"
Mon Mar 23 22:49:09 +0000 2009 <dan> this is fucked up shit. They're trying to
  recruit a fall kid. Holy fuck.
Mon Mar 23 22:57:44 +0000 2009 <rmogull> Who do you think is behind it?
Tue Mar 24 00:27:10 +0000 2009 <dan> alex just wants to see stuff burn. Charlie
  though, he semipublicly bitches about not getting this 100k payday...
Tue Mar 24 00:28:07 +0000 2009 <dan> from criminals, wanting instead ms to pay.
  I am seriously considering calling Charlie out
Tue Mar 24 00:29:55 +0000 2009 <dan> 'Don't incite kids just so you can feed
  your own. Either extort apple yourself or go away.' I know, bad idea
Tue Mar 24 22:12:44 +0000 2009 <dan> Never mind the rage, that was the effect
  of a mild concussion.  But, shit, it's true.  Charlie's trying to fuck some
  kid.
Tue Mar 24 22:32:45 +0000 2009 <rmogull> Concussion? WTF? I have a call with
  Dino soon, will investigate. I don't know Charlie well, just in passing.
Tue Mar 24 22:33:09 +0000 2009 <rmogull> Wrote the forward to their book, but
  because of Dino.
Tue Mar 24 23:08:00 +0000 2009 <dan> snowboarding. Mild. Dino clearly doesn't
  know about the growing extortion epidemic, or consequences
Tue Mar 24 23:09:07 +0000 2009 <dan> dino is an old friend of mine; hanging
  with really career limiting crew.
Tue Mar 24 23:17:36 +0000 2009 <rmogull> I'm convinced he'll turn out okay...
  with the right support
Tue Mar 24 23:26:15 +0000 2009 <dan> I dunno. The cool kids just got him to
  write the canonical screed inciting extortion. Is there time?
Tue Mar 24 23:36:23 +0000 2009 <rmogull> Just call me an optimist
Tue Mar 24 23:37:45 +0000 2009 <rmogull> Oh- and don't fuck up your head. You
  don't have the looks for a modeling career.

// woo big head alert :)
Thu Mar 19 16:31:58 +0000 2009 <dk->ccg> o hai jeff moss, thanks for fucking
  me.
http://snurl.com/e5d1o

// he learnt from the best
Thu Mar 05 20:06:20 +0000 2009 <dk->ccg> sotirov is such a dick. Good thing
  he's so bad at it

// my favourite back2back twitters
// epic diss and beyond epic FAIL
Thu Feb 19 22:40:54 +0000 2009 <dk->dragosr> sotirov has a real
  not-reading-the-goddamn-literature problem sometimes
Thu Feb 19 21:44:05 +0000 2009 <dk->ccg> attacker.doxpara.com root/ohhai it's
  his

// EMO TIME EMO TIME EMO TIME EMO TIME EMO TIME EMO TIME EMO TIME EMO TIME
// dan needs to learn to look after his woman
// that attempt at sucking up failed :/ Note to Dan, try flowers next time.
Wed Jan 28 21:16:55 +0000 2009 <ccg> girl just kind of generally hurts. It's
  not you. Just kind of a mess. Got DrupalCon ticket taken care of. Just
  muddling through.
Thu Jan 29 20:01:50 +0000 2009 <ccg> fuck you. You continue to have no regard
  for others. Unless they're others that are not me. Then they matter.
Thu Jan 29 20:09:46 +0000 2009 <dan> this is an overreaction. Is this how we
  have to interact?
Thu Jan 29 20:10:46 +0000 2009 <ccg> I am WORRIED about you, you asshole and
  you refuse to do anything about it. Again. Go and let yourself rot and
  expect me to help.
Thu Jan 29 20:11:30 +0000 2009 <ccg> When I hit myself, it just makes some
  small bruises. You are ACTUALLY DOING DAMAGE to yourself. And I'm not
  supposed to care??
Thu Jan 29 20:13:28 +0000 2009 <dan> did you really just make that comparison?
Thu Jan 29 20:14:06 +0000 2009 <ccg> Fuck you for not caring how much you hurt
  me or how much effort I put into helping you get well. Take and take and
  take and take..
Thu Jan 29 20:18:19 +0000 2009 <dan> stop this. We'll talk when I get home.
Thu Jan 29 20:19:39 +0000 2009 <ccg> Take care of yourself and stop counting on
  me being willing to drop everything when you collapse b/c you just did what
  you wanted
Thu Jan 29 20:26:46 +0000 2009 <dan> I love you.
Thu Jan 29 20:31:46 +0000 2009 <ccg> Show it. Take care of yourself. Take care
  of me. Don't tell me I'm overreacting to watching you slowly kill yourself.
Thu Jan 29 20:43:18 +0000 2009 <ccg> I'm done. I'm drained. I've given
  everything I have. It's not coming back to me. I get no support. I'm just
  empty and alone.
Thu Jan 29 21:12:29 +0000 2009 <ccg> You just don't care how much I hurt enough
  to actually do anything different. Just leaves me empty and very very al one
  here.
Thu Jan 29 22:38:02 +0000 2009 <ccg> I pretty desperately need help right now,
  and I have no idea where to start.

// why does Dan associate with the lamest
Fri Jan 16 06:19:32 +0000 2009 <dk->jeremiahg> Yeah.  I don't care about the
  noise from most people but I actually respect you.

// advice from the general of security media whoring.
// dk -> sotirov
Wed Dec 31 15:41:00 +0000 2008 <dan> well you have seen my md5 someday paper I
  assume
Wed Dec 31 19:17:32 +0000 2008 <alexsotirov> Of course, we cited your paper and
  it provided the inspiration for our title. So what do you have to say about
  our PR strategy now?
Wed Dec 31 20:02:54 +0000 2008 <dan>  Actually, your PR was pretty bad.
  Tshirts?  I give you permission? Using the I broke the Internet domain was
  also bad form.
Wed Dec 31 20:04:30 +0000 2008 <dan>  Good PR works not just when things are
  going right, but when they're going wrong. Talk delivery was almost perfect
  though.
Wed Dec 31 20:48:36 +0000 2008 <dan>  There's some ugliness. It's good to know
  you almost certainly had nothing to do with it.
Sat Jan 03 06:17:16 +0000 2009 <ccg> Is OK. Go put out the fires :)
Sat Jan 03 07:13:25 +0000 2009 <dan> *sighs* you didn't know. alright, we'll
  talk voice in the next day or two. jeebuz fucking drama christ
Sun Jan 04 19:07:27 +0000 2009 <dan> j0.  sync up?
Sun Jan 04 19:15:29 +0000 2009 <dan> sounds good. embarassed as all hell that
  there's more drama.
Sun Jan 04 21:38:57 +0000 2009 <dan> We won't always agree -- different
  personalities and all that -- but I do respect immensely that we can disagree
  productively
Tue Jan 06 22:31:04 +0000 2009 <dan> advice: switch from attacking verisign for
  your disclosure to congratulating them for fixing quickly. The fight weakens
  you
Tue Jan 06 22:32:37 +0000 2009 <dan> ...while the congratulations has an edge
  of 'you didn't notice the 2007 work'. Not trying to be an ass, you're
  wrestling a pig
Tue Jan 06 22:37:47 +0000 2009 <dan> switch too late and it'll parse as
  capitulation. Try to get it in early enough to represent magnamity
Wed Jan 07 21:44:32 +0000 2009 <alexsotirov> Tim Callan concedes defeat:
 
http://tinyurl.com/8j3jcj Now I can start being magnanimous.
Wed Jan 07 23:39:52 +0000 2009 <dan> Cool.  Be genuine and congratulatory.
  Look forward to a positive working relationship.  Respond to as little as
  possible.  Rebutt *nothing*

// the other side to Dan, note the dates
Tue Dec 30 00:31:27 +0000 2008 <dk->rmogull> enjoying a pwnie award judge
  showing the world *actual* media whoring. Very important: minimize bitching,
  controversy

// Can't believe these two are still friends
// shame dan didn't take heed of ptaceks warning
Wed Dec 31 00:58:20 +0000 2008 <dan> protecting you. Don't comment to press on
  the md5 game.
Wed Dec 31 01:00:17 +0000 2008 <tqbf> confused; what do i have to do with md5?
Wed Dec 31 01:00:45 +0000 2008 <tqbf> also, twitter dmsgs are insecure.
Wed Dec 31 01:01:54 +0000 2008 <dan> I'll tell you next year. You don't have to
  believe me...
Wed Dec 31 01:02:48 +0000 2008 <tqbf> oooookay, well thanks for the heads up; i
  think it's the sotirov & appelbaum show though.
Wed Dec 31 01:05:19 +0000 2008 <dan> nothing is as it seems. Run away. Tell
  nobody I said this to you.


// MDOWD, just because MDOWD!!! (zf0 wishes we could talk to Mark :( )
// dk -> mark
Fri Dec 12 01:45:26 +0000 2008 <mdowd> I dunno. Possibly continuing fallout :(
Fri Dec 12 04:18:05 +0000 2008 <mdowd> They blogged for like a week and then
  killed the thing entirely. They had to kill the archives, with the event, I
  think :(
Fri Dec 12 04:26:42 +0000 2008 <mdowd> If that theory is true, we should try
  to keep people quiet about the blog being gone... Press loves a controversy


// sign him up to your faggotry
Sun Apr 19 15:56:55 +0000 2009 <adamcecc->dk> yeah nemo is an osx ninja

// whitehats interbreading shocker!
Mon Mar 30 17:36:12 +0000 2009 <rmogull> Hey- any chance your family is
  originally from Poland 2 generations ago and you have family in Connecticut?
Mon Mar 30 17:38:18 +0000 2009 <rmogull> Ok... my mom just told me her mom's
  maiden name was Kaminsky. Figured that would be just too friggen weird

## Hypocrisy
Mon Dec 29 21:37:55 +0000 2008 <adamjodonnell> what you did was different,
  there needed to be secrecy to coordinate a remediation effort. i think some
  people are doing it just to
Mon Dec 29 21:38:11 +0000 2008 <adamjodonnell> generate publicity for
  themselves.  we are researchers, not stage actors.

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