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Y-DNA RESULTS

37 Marker Y-DNA Results

 

The Y-DNA STR Values are passed down from father to son almost unchanged. Currently we have 3 Men that descend from Jacob Smiths son Henry Smith born 1802 and Married Rebecca Picklesimer on the 3rd of March 1825 in Montgomery County Virginia. 
 
Kevin Smith  his great great grandfather is Burwell Harvey Smith son of Jacob Marion Smith son of Henry Smith

          Tyson Smith II his great great grandfather is James Buchannan Smith son of Jacob Marion Smith son of Henry Smith.
 
Paul Keeney Smith his grandfather is Philip Sheridan Smith son of William Burl Smith son of Henry Smith.

Thomas Smith his grandfather is Thomas Smith married Amanda C. McGuire.

Jesse McMullin born Jesse Quinn Evans was adopted. His biological father is Randy Laine Smith son of James Smith son of Bennett Smith son of Hugh Henry Smith son of Jacob B. Smith Jr.
 
I am looking for anybody that wants to take a Y-DNA test. I am also looking for anybody that doesnt want to take a Y-DNA test. 

 

Testee

393

390

19*

391

385a

385b

426

388

439

389i

392

389ii

Tyson II

13

24

13

10

16

17

11

12

12

13

11

30

Kevin

13

24

13

10

16

17

11

12

12

13

11

30

Thomas

13

24

13

10

16

17

11

12

12

13

11

30

Paul

13

24

13    

10 

16

17 

11 

12 

12 

13 

11 

30 

Jesse

13

24

13

10 

16

17

11

12

12

13

11

30

James B

13

24

13

10

16

17

11

12

12

13

11

30

Tyson

13

24

13

10

16

17

11

12

12

13

11

30

Schneiderhans

13

24

13

10

16

17

11

12

11

13

11

30

Schmidtbleicher

13

24

14

11

12

14

12

12

12

13

13

29

 

 

                 *Also known as DYS 394

 

DYS Locations

Testee

458

459a

459b

455

454

447

437

448

449

464a

464b

464c

464d

TysonII

16

9

9

11

11

25

14

20

31

14

14

15.3

15.3

Kevin

16

9

9

11

11

25

14

20

32

14

14

15.3

15.3

Thomas

16

9

9

11

11

25

14

20

31

14

14

15.3

15.3

Paul

16 

11 

11 

25 

14 

20 

31 

14 

14 

15.3

15.3

Jesse

16

9

9

11

11

25 

14

20

31

14

14

15.3

15.3

JamesB

16

9

9

11

11

25

14

20

31

14

14

15.3

15.3

Tyson

16

9

9

11

11

25

14

20

31

14

14

15.3

15.3

Schneiderhans

16

9

9

11

11

25

14

20

32

14

14

15.3

15.3

Schmidtbleicher

14

9

10

11

11

26

15

19

28

16

15

17

17

                                                                                                                                                                      

 

DYS Locations

Testee

460

GataH4

YcaIIa

YcaIIb

456

607

576

570

CDYa

CDYb

442

438

Tyson II

9

11

19

21

18

12

17

21

34

34

11

10

Kevin

9

11

19

21

18

12

17

20

34

34

11

10

Thomas

9

11 

19 

21 

18 

12 

17 

20 

34 

34 

11 

10 

Paul

11

19 

21 

18 

12 

17 

20 

35

35

11 

10 

Jesse

9

11

19  

21

18 

 

 

 

 

 

11

10

James B

9

11

19

21

18

12

17

20 34 34

11

10

Tyson

9

11

19

21

18

12

17

21 34 34

11

10

Schneiderhans

9

11

19

21

18

12

17

20

34

34

11

10

Schmidtbleicher

9

11

19

23

16

16

17

18

36

36

12

12

              

            

Why is Schmidtbleicher invlolved? Lynn Boss is a descendant of the Snuffer family this Snuffer family has a Johann Jacob Schmidblaicher as a half brother to them. We tested the Schmidtbleicher family to see if they are related to our Smiths. As it turns out they are of no relationship to our Smiths on the direct male line. Not only do they mismatch on 25 locations out of 30 the differences are not all only one value either they are of 1 2 and 4 values off at some of these locations. The Schmidtbleicher family is of no relationship to our direct male ancestors of Jacob Smith husband of Mary Shockey. The Schmidtbleicher family is also in the R1b haplogroup furhtering there distance back to the times of Noah when we chare a common direct male ancestor with them.              

On the other hand we have Schneiderhans?

The Schneiderhans family is our closest match outside of our Smith family. The person who sampled there DNA for the Schneiderhans family lives in Germany and his direct line never came to the United States. Not only does this prove that our Smiths are Germans. It gives us a close proximity to the whereabouts that our Smith family lived before coming to America.

The Scheiderhans family has traced there roots from a man located in a small town called Buhl bei Tubingen, Wuerttemberg, Germany in 1458. Located very near the town of Rottenburg Am Neckar in the Area of Tuebingen Germany. Before Wuerttemberg was Germany the area of Rottenburg was part of Austria. 

There was a study performed on the Y-DNA of the Haban Population of Hutterites in Moravia. These people were Anabaptist Refugees that found safe living in western Slovakia. They fled from Wuerttemberg. There most frequent DNA is no different from ours.  Although they only tested 12 Values. 


 

19

385a

385b

389i

389ii

390

391

392

393

437

438

439

Hutterite

13

16

17

13

30

24

10

11

13

14

10

12

Smiths

13

16

17

13

30

24

10

11

13

14

10

12





 

SNPs our Smiths have tested for 
+V13
+L142.1
+CTS9320
 -V27 
-P65 
-L17 
-L143 
-L99 
-L219
-L241


Cool Facts;
 
Mutation Rate at 37 markers. we cannot use Thomas Smith because we dont have his paper trail.
 
2 differences on 3 people with 37 markers each and the common ancestor was born in the year 1802.
 
one of the three is of a different generation. if the mutations on Burwell and James lines are not of the 7th generation than it will work this way.
 
4mutations/111markers=.036/5 generations=.0072
 
so the mutation rate at 37 markers for every 5 generations on our specific Henry Smith family is actually much hire than what science tells us.
 
1. DYS Location 449 the Modal Value is 31 and a mutation has occured  on the Burwell Harvey Smith line.
 
2. DYS Location 570 the Modal Value is 20 and a mutation has occured on the James Buchannan Smith line.
 
3. Paul Keeney Smith is in the 6th generation of Jacob Smith or the 5th generation of Henry Smith. Kevin and I are in the 8th Generation. It would take another participant that is not a descendant of Jacob Marion Smith to prove weather the Modal Value at DYS CDY a+b is 34 or 35. 
 
this can actually be tricky. One can assume that since Paul Keeney Smith is of 2 generations older that he would have the "older DNA" but this mutation could have also occured in his father. In turn this mutation could have also occured in Jacob Marion Smith making Thomas Smith a descendant of Jacob Marion Smith. 
 
if the difference at DYS CDY occured in Paul Keeney Smith than it leaves the possibility open for Thomas Smith to be related to an unknown line. 
 
4.Thomas Smith is my closest match on DNA. I am closer to Thomas Smith than I am to Paul Keeney Smith. I am also Closer to Thomas Smith than I am to Kevin Smith. Does this mean that Thomas Smith is closer on actual paper genealogy? This is a good question. Again one can assume the answer is a simple yes but the answer is I dont know. 
 
The reason is I have a mutation on my line it could have happend in James Buchanan Smith or Harrison Smith. The results for James Benjamin Smith and Tyson Douglas Smith dont include those locations because we tested them with SMGF. Kevin Smith and Thomas Smith are also a 36/37 match so it is possible that Thomas Smith could have came from Burwell Harvey Smith just as much as he could be from neither. To be quite honest if the DYS CDY difference happend on Paul Keeney Smith himself than Thomas could also be a direct male descendant of William Burl Smiths line. :) get the picture :) Thomas Smith practically matches us all the same. On the two places that he doesnt match Tyson or Kevin he does match Paul :). put that in your pipe and smoke it :-) my brain hurts after that 1.
 
But to be most logical. People did Genealogy for thousands of years without DNA. From the normal paper trail genealogy it is perfectly logical and 99% fact that Thomas Smith is a direct male ancestor of Randolph Smith orn abt 1795 in Virginia which in turn makes him farthest on paper from us all. Just like Schneiderhans he matches us just as well as Thomas. But we know he doesnt descend from James Buchannan, Burl Harvey, William Burl or Hugh Henry.
 
So the biggest question here is Who is Randolph?
 
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