DISCUSSION ON THE BUDDHA, LUMBINI AND HISTORICAL KAPILVASTU

[This is a collection of abstracts of my research papers, articles and discussion on  the Buddha,Lumbini and historical Kapilvastu also. I thought to put them in one article together for reference.] 

By B. K. Rana

 

BUDDHA AND THE MAGARS IN HUNDRED YEARS OF NEPAL'S NATIONAL POPULATION CENSUS

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[The Magars are the largest ethnic group or indigenous people of Nepal by 7.14 % of the total population standing third only after Kshatriyas 15.80 % and Brahmans 12.74% (National Population Census Report 2001). Since they are marginalized along with other IPs and Dalits in the country, the Magars also find discriminated against, through the passage of history for political reasons. They also believe some of them are later ‘baptized Hindus’. This is the reason why they are ‘working hard’ to be identified as others than  the Hindus in the national population census. An exception persists among them on the other hand as few government-blessed Magars resist it.] 

IS UTTER PRADESH GOVERNMENT FAKING ANOTHER KAPILVASTU ?

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[So I had  asked the government of India what it would officially say about the controversy. They sent an email reply to me, posted as titled Reply From Government of India on Buddha Birth Place saying that "the desired information is not available in the record holdings of National Archives of India". Then on February 14, 2010 I wrote a paper on the Buddha birth place and posted offering a title as  Nepal’s Lumbini: Where The Buddha Was Born. Then followed a series of debates particularly on Kapilvastu. In the meantime Kapilvastu Forum came forward from India to debate Kapilvastu.] 

NEPAL’S LUMBINI, WHERE THE BUDDHA WAS BORN

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[".... Hida Bhagavam Jateti Lumini Game" (The Lord Buddha was born here in Lumbini Village). The text of the inscription in English reads: “Twenty years after the coronation, Beloved-of-the-Gods, King Piyadasi (Ashok) visited this place and worshiped because Lord Buddha, the sage of Sakyas was born here”.[1]]

BUDDHA'S KAPILVASTU UNDER NATIONALISM AND OBSESSION

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[ We can not leave Tilaurakot without seeing a “ terracotta seal engraved with — “Sa - ka - na – sya” which means ‘it belonged to the Sakyas’. Archaeologists have dated it falling in between 2nd  and 5th Century B. C. We do not insist that present Tilaurakot must have been the ancient Kapilvastu but what we hold is that there are lots of evidence down there which suggest present Tilaurakot is the ancient Kapilvastu. Piprahawa vase photo courtesy :Satinanda E V]

KAPILVASTU UNDER ARCHAEOLOGICAL QUESTION AND OBSESSED NATIONALISM

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[“In short, the location of Kapilavastu is still an unproven archaeological question. Gupta seals, while useful for understanding the fifth century CE are not very solid evidence of the 5 - 4th century BCE. The Ashokan column at Lumbini is far better evidence of what was believed shortly after the Buddha's death but is still not attested evidence.” - John C. Huntington. Two stupas marking King Suddhodhan and his queen's grave near Tilaurakot. Photo courtesy:  Satinanda E V]

TRUTH IS BITTER AS WE SPEAK THE TRUTH

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* Now, you have accepted the Lumbini Buddha birth place which is fine  but  there are numerous others out there in India who claim otherwise ignoring the archaeological evidence on the ground. Has the Archaeological Survey of India told them what you have accepted here ? And also we do not know whether all the schools and universities in India have checked with  Hari Parsad Sastri’s ‘History of India’ (in Bengali) and similar others.

* You also claim the Piprahawa find has been endorsed by most archaeologists. Have they really ? We do not know much about it. There is one  professor at Delhi University who has recently written: the discoveries of Piprahawa “should settle’ the long standing debate over Kapilvastu. Well may be and here too,  her usage of the phrase ‘should settle’ is something unclear however she has further written down ‘the Buddha relics have been identified  and Ganwaria represents Kapilvastu'. How have those relics been identified, we have no idea.

WHERE IS ROBIN CONNIGHAM'S C - 14 REPORT ?

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[ But of course yes, one thing is certain that your recommendations to re-evaluate and re-excavate sites like Sagarahawa, the bigger mounds  south of Tilaurakot, further excavation of Ganwaria, a C - 14  or otherwise dating of Piprahawa relics ( Where is Prof. Robin Connigham, the UNESCO Heritage Evaluation Team Leader's C - 14  report, will UNESCO ever make it public ?)  and a careful  excavation of Lumbini to undo the damage  already done to the site since its discovery etc. are  important and timely.]

DEBATING HISTORICAL KAPILVASTU AND ITS LOCATION

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[The inscription above simply says - it is a Vihar of Kapilvastu Bhikshu Mahasangh or Bhikshu Sangh. It just refers to Vihars or Sanghas or organization(s). The ‘Kapilvastu Bhikshu Mahasangh or Bhikshu Sangh’ can’t be the name of a city or town itself. These name words just mean an organization or organizations or monks’ communities or even social institution(s) of the Buddha’s time. This epigraphy, therefore, does not give any direct meaning or naming of a city or town  like ‘Kapilvastu Nagar(e)’  etc. It simply means - the Vihara in Piprahawa was a member of Kapilvastu Vihara Mahasangh and which most probably might have been built by Kushan King Kaniska later - we again add.]

READING THE LUMBINI AND PADARIA INSCRIPTIONS: SAKYAMUNI OR SAKAMUNI ?

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[* Yours, Krishna M. Srivastav (with whom you differ), Charles Allen and some others distance measurement and direction travelled by both the pilgrims can’t be attested given the treacherous route passing through the dense forest and winding rivers - from Kapilvastu to Lumbini or Rama Grama etc. as there are already some discrepancies in measurement of distance in between the two pilgrims.]

REEXCAVATIONS IN AND AROUND TILAURAKOT, PIPRAHAWA AND GANWARIA REQUIRED

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[Bellow follow two comments today on Kapilvastu and Lumbini inscription: one from Terence Phelps, a researcher and another from Prof. Max Deeg. We very much appreciate their comments to continue this debate in a meaningful way forward. Thank you]

BOTH THE NEPALESE AND INDIAN GOVERNMENTS SHOULD FORM A TEAM OF EXPERTS FOR FURTHER EXACAVATION AND EXAMINATION OF KAPILVASTU

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[We disagree with you that there can’t be any other translations of the pilgrims works saying that ‘we have enough’ of them. This is negation of new thinking and new approach. This is a totally wrong belief. ( Gotihawa Pillar Photo)]

BRING ON ANY EVIDENCE YOU HAVE TO DISCREDIT LUMBINI ASHOKAN INSCRIPTION

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[Here is our sincere call to you all (Terence Phelps included) please bring on any other evidence you have which  can disqualify the inscription on the Lumbini Ashokan Pillar standing today in Nepal’s Tarai; we personally will happily discredit Lumbini as the birth place of the Buddha. Whether you call it ‘we have risen above the archaeological claims’ or ‘our strength of a historic fact’.]

WRONG INFORMATION ON THE BUDDHA BIRTHPLACE IN U.S. SCHOOL TEXTBOOKS & REFERENCE BOOKS ALSO

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[We are trying to find the best way to bring this to the notice of proper educational authorities who make decisions on textbooks and curriculum. This approach perhaps shall be more productive than locating and writing to every publisher who may have wrong information in their books. But, we are unaware at this point who in the US decides the curriculum/textbooks for K to 12 grades. Is it individual school boards, counties, state or the federal government? If your team happens to know this or any other advice or guidance to lead us to the right direction, we shall very much appreciate the help.]

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