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#1 (4064885) ed mahmoud's sock puppet 0 [2007-08-01 08:41:15]

Time for multi-colored posts!

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. SUSPECT AREA (CARIBBEAN)
FLIGHT ONE
A. 02/1600Z
B. AFXXX 02DDA INVEST
C. 02/1400Z
D. 14.0N 65.5W
E. 02/1500Z TO 02/2000Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
2. SUCCEEDING DAY DAY OUTLOOK: BEGIN 12-HRLY FIXES
AT 03/1200Z IF SYSTEM DEVELOPS.
3. REMARKS: THIS MISSION ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FOR 02/1200Z
HAS BEEN SLIPPED TO 02/1600Z.(Ed- arghhh!- I won’t know if this is TD #4L or T.S. Dean until late this afternoon, with departure pushed back to Noon local)

4. SUSPECT AREA (GULF OF MEXICO)
FLIGHT ONE
A. 02/1800Z
B. AFXXX 01EEA INVEST
C. 02/1730Z
D. 29.0N 88.0W
E. 02/1745Z TO 02/2200Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT

FLIGHT TWO
A. 03/1200,1800Z
B. AFXXX 02EEA CYCLONE
C. 03/1030Z
D. 30.0N 88.0W
E. 03/1045Z TO 03/1730Z
F. SFC TO 10,000 FT
5. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY: CONTINUE 6-HRLY FIXES
IF SYSTEM REMAINS A THREAT.


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#2 (4064890) ed mahmoud's sock puppet 0 [2007-08-01 08:42:04]

Pakistan has nukes, so would Obama launch a decapitation strike first against Paki CCCI and suspected weapon sites first?


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#3 (4064891) jcm 0 [2007-08-01 08:42:23]

Obama's too naive to be POTUS.


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#4 (4064893) ed mahmoud's sock puppet 0 [2007-08-01 08:42:32]

¡Tercero!


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#5 (4064898) mats 0 [2007-08-01 08:43:14]

All I can say is: 'bwahahaha!'

Who do they think they are trying to deceive?


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#6 (4064900) fresh air 0 [2007-08-01 08:43:22]

And what will be his plan when Musharraf is swept away by a coup in response to our invasion?

For 50 bonus points, what will his response be to a nuclear-armed version of the Taliban with a larger army and a fleet of American military hardware?


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#7 (4064902) jcm 0 [2007-08-01 08:43:42]

Charles,

Let Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet have his colors, it is depressing watching him struggle for attention without them. ;-)


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#8 (4064905) j. lichty 0 [2007-08-01 08:44:05]

This may be the most cynical and hypocritical batch of Democrats that has ever run for President.

and their propganda arm at the NYT, Wash Post, major networks, NPR will help them get away with it yet again. Obama, invade Pakistan, who cares, lets here about his plan to make us all human doings instead of human beings, and making strangers friends we haven't met, oh and putting an end to persecution of Muslims.


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#9 (4064907) bosforus 0 [2007-08-01 08:44:15]

well i just want to go on record from the get go a la Obama and say that the war in Pakistan will be a mistake. (i'll keep my fingers crossed for 7 years, expect an 'i told you so' when i run for president)


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#10 (4064908) ed mahmoud's sock puppet 0 [2007-08-01 08:44:18]

re: #3 JCM

Obama's too naive to be POTUS.


Well, Hillary's experience is a single term as Senator, some years of shady dealing at a small time Arkansas law firm, and a failed attempt to oversee the nationalization of healthcare.


But Stalin in a Pantsuit has, IMHO, about a 50/50 chance of being POTUS in January, 2007.


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#11 (4064910) mats 0 [2007-08-01 08:44:25]

man, I thought I would be (at least) #2 !


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#12 (4064912) my 2 cents 0 [2007-08-01 08:44:54]

Not sure I have a problem with Obama's promise. Let's just make sure that he is reminded about it very regularly, in the coming months. For example: 'Mr. Obama, for the record, are you still 100% committed to your promise in July 2007 to invade Pakistan to hunt down Osama bin Laden, once you are elected?'



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#14 (4064914) mandymanners 0 [2007-08-01 08:45:08]

They must think we're stupid.


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#15 (4064915) ward cleaver 0 [2007-08-01 08:45:15]

re: #4 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

¡Tercero!

Okay, what's Spanish for fourth?

The bootleg DVD of Shrek the Third we bought down in Mexico is proudly titled Shrek Tercero on its full-color, inkjet-printed DVD case label.


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#16 (4064916) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 08:45:19]
This may be the most cynical and hypocritical batch of Democrats that has ever run for President.

The Democrat Politician Factory has been sub-par for decades Charles.


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#17 (4064918) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 08:45:31]

re: #7 JCM

Charles,

Let Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet have his colors, it is depressing watching him struggle for attention without them. ;-)

lol


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#18 (4064920) pat 0 [2007-08-01 08:45:35]

As if there will be a military if one of these clowns gets in office.
The sheer hipocrusy is breath taking. Instead of condemation from the press we get complementary adjectives as if sounding like an idiot was a virtue.


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#19 (4064921) squarepeg 0 [2007-08-01 08:45:54]

The harder they try to peddle out of it, the deeper they are in the Stupid Zone.


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#20 (4064922) ward cleaver 0 [2007-08-01 08:45:59]

re: #14 MandyManners

They must think we're stupid.

That would be a bad assumption on their part.


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#21 (4064923) nosubmission 0 [2007-08-01 08:46:00]

Promises to invade?

What? His alma mater?


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#22 (4064924) ed mahmoud's sock puppet 0 [2007-08-01 08:46:08]

re: #7 JCM

Charles,

Let Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet have his colors, it is depressing watching him struggle for attention without them. ;-)


Indeed, I am practically becoming an attention whore.


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#23 (4064925) bosforus 0 [2007-08-01 08:46:27]

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

cuarto, quinto, sexto, septimo, octavo, noveno, decimo


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#24 (4064926) spider mensch 0 [2007-08-01 08:46:35]

sounds like obama's been in the back yard playing with his little plastic soldiers again.


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#25 (4064927) ringo the gringo 0 [2007-08-01 08:46:36]
This may be the most cynical and hypocritical batch of Democrats that has ever run for President.

Ironically, the only Democrat candidate that is not a cynical hypocrite is Dennis Kucinich.

He's the real thing.



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#27 (4064929) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 08:46:47]
WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted — an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.

whoa, whoa, whoa!

Amazed!


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#28 (4064930) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 08:46:59]

I don't believe either one of them.

BUT.

On the plus side, I'd rather see the Democrats raising points like these - even cynically - in order to shake up the Bush administration and the Republicans in Congress. Why aren't we doing hot pursuit of Taliban and AQ into Pakistan? And where is the wisdom in selling JDAM kits to the number one sponsor of jihadist ideology? Force Bush to grapple with this; our democracy will be the better for it.


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#29 (4064933) infidelboy 0 [2007-08-01 08:47:16]

Invade Pakies and straighten out the saudis, wow, these guy know less that I do


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#30 (4064934) mandymanners 0 [2007-08-01 08:47:36]

Incredilbly silky hair.

Why does he remind me of a contestant in a pageant?


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#31 (4064935) mean gene 0 [2007-08-01 08:47:37]

In Lewis Carroll's, Through the Looking Glass, poor Alice really wants to buy something in a shop full of shelves seemingly stuffed with goodies.
But whenever she tries to actually focus on one goodie the shelf is bare!
So, too, with liberals who never wish to fight the war we are in.
It is always somewhere else they want to fight.
AND, if real trouble arises in one of the places that they said they were more than willing to go up against, all of a sudden they come up with an excuse not to want to go there, either.


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#32 (4064936) ward cleaver 0 [2007-08-01 08:48:21]
WASHINGTON - Democrat John Edwards said the Bush administration’s plan to sell $20 billion worth of weapons to friendly Arab states amounted to a foreign policy of convenience and he will take a tougher stance with Saudi Arabia if elected president.

And this at the same time the Dems are trying to stop new exploration for oil here in the U.S. What do they think we're gonna drive? Flatulance-powered, balsa wood cars? Cars powered by a hug and a smile?


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#33 (4064937) mandymanners 0 [2007-08-01 08:48:27]

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

re: #14 MandyManners


They must think we're stupid.

That would be a bad assumption on their part.

This is gonna' confuse some moonbats. (Good thing.)


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#34 (4064940) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 08:48:37]
WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted — an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.

So.. if Obama does it, then it's 'terrorist' hunting. But when Bush did it... it was... Fascist Halliburton World Oppressor.


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#35 (4064941) killer tomato 0 [2007-08-01 08:48:38]

Oh. When I saw the headline I thought, 'Great! I wonder if he needs help packing?'


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#36 (4064942) kragar (proud to be kafir) 0 [2007-08-01 08:48:40]

So attacking people who attacked us first or we've been engaged for years is reckless, but attacking our allies (however paperthin that alliance may be) is a sound strategy?

I will never understand Dems.


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#37 (4064943) boy hits car 0 [2007-08-01 08:48:43]

That sock puppet guy posts annoyingly.


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#38 (4064944) ed mahmoud's sock puppet 0 [2007-08-01 08:49:04]

re: #28 Occasional Reader

I don't believe either one of them.

BUT.

On the plus side, I'd rather see the Democrats raising points like these - even cynically - in order to shake up the Bush administration and the Republicans in Congress. Why aren't we doing hot pursuit of Taliban and AQ into Pakistan? And where is the wisdom in selling JDAM kits to the number one sponsor of jihadist ideology? Force Bush to grapple with this; our democracy will be the better for it.

Selling weapons to Saudi is a de facto admission that the Bush Administration isn't planning military action to stop Iran's nuclear program, IMHO.


Although nothing short of a nuke of their own (I'm sure Pakistan can part with a few for what the Saudis will offer) won't really deter Iran.



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#40 (4064946) ward cleaver 0 [2007-08-01 08:49:17]

re: #23 bosforus

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

cuarto, quinto, sexto, septimo, octavo, noveno, decimo

Thanks. It's been so long since I took Spanish that I'd forgotten those.


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#41 (4064947) mandymanners 0 [2007-08-01 08:49:21]

re: #22 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #7 JCM


Charles,

Let Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet have his colors, it is depressing watching him struggle for attention without them. ;-)


Indeed, I am practically becoming an attention whore.

WOW.


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#42 (4064948) easy 0 [2007-08-01 08:49:30]
The anti-war presidential candidate who vows to pull out of Iraq immediately, then begin unconditional talks with Iran, says if he’s elected he’ll invade Pakistan:


Now that is funny.

WASHINGTON - Democrat John Edwards said the Bush administration’s plan to sell $20 billion worth of weapons to friendly Arab states amounted to a foreign policy of convenience and he will take a tougher stance with Saudi Arabia if elected president


The guys on the line at General Dynamics might not like that.


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#43 (4064949) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 08:49:52]

re: #28 Occasional Reader

I don't believe either one of them.

BUT.

On the plus side, I'd rather see the Democrats raising points like these - even cynically - in order to shake up the Bush administration and the Republicans in Congress. Why aren't we doing hot pursuit of Taliban and AQ into Pakistan? And where is the wisdom in selling JDAM kits to the number one sponsor of jihadist ideology? Force Bush to grapple with this; our democracy will be the better for it.

OR.. are you serious?

Go into another country without their permission? Get embroiled in yet another Iraq type war?


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#44 (4064950) pat 0 [2007-08-01 08:49:57]

Charles, when you post the daily Kos headlines on the upper right, you force me to read the ravings of these lunatics. What if it is infectious?


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#45 (4064955) bosforus 0 [2007-08-01 08:50:16]

i'm sure the dems could see through this bullsh*t if it wasn't so thick


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#46 (4064956) ed mahmoud's sock puppet 0 [2007-08-01 08:50:18]

re: #37 Boy Hits Car

That sock puppet guy posts annoyingly.


113 posts in over 3 years? You mean you actually have a life and don't sit at the computer all day?


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#47 (4064959) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 08:51:01]

re: #23 bosforus

re: #15 Ward Cleaver

cuarto, quinto, sexto, septimo, octavo, noveno, decimo

... and not long after that, Spanish ordinal numbers quickly become so unwieldy that not even Spanish-speaking people use them. For instance, you'll hear an office described as being on piso trece ('floor thirteen') rather than piso decimotercero ('thirteenth floor').


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#48 (4064960) nature boy 0 [2007-08-01 08:51:05]

re: #24 Spider Mensch

LOL. Sorta like Dark Helmet?


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#49 (4064961) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 08:51:09]

re: #35 Killer Tomato

Oh. When I saw the headline I thought, 'Great! I wonder if he needs help packing?'

Hate to say it but I thought the headline said Osama (Bin Laden) was for invading Pakistan.


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#50 (4064962) christheprofessor 0 [2007-08-01 08:51:19]

Hypocrats...


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#51 (4064963) mandymanners 0 [2007-08-01 08:51:43]

re: #40 Ward Cleaver

That's not Spanish, is it? Uno. Dos. Tres. Quatro. Cinco. Seis. Siete. Ocho. Nueve. Diez.


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#52 (4064964) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 08:51:59]

re: #30 MandyManners

Incredilbly silky hair.

Why does he remind me of a contestant in a pageant?

Because he is one, Mandy?


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#53 (4064965) lawhawk 0 [2007-08-01 08:52:21]

Charles, you have to throw in the fact that Speaker Pelosi would consider impeachment but for the fact that she's in the House and Speaker.

You're absolutely right that this is a bunch of hypocrites whose take on foreign policy and national security is predicated on doing the opposite of whatever position has been staked out by the current Administration.

If the US engages in unilateral negotiations, they want multilateral (North Korea).
If the US engages in multilateral negotations, they want unilateral (North Korea).
If the US goes after AQ in Iraq, they want to go after AQ in Pakistan.
If the US goes after AQ in Pakistan, they complain that it would violation international law.
Etc. Etc. Etc.

It's a no-win situation for the Administration, which gets these ankle biters yipping away 24/7/365. And these guys get picked up by the media which tries to turn 'em into presidential sounding statements.

Heh. The fact is that only a week ago Hillary was slamming Obama as being naive. Nothing has changed. He's still naive, and it shows that he has a lot to learn about leadership, foreign policy, geopolitics, and national security.

After all, these are all from the same bunch that warned of quagmire and defeat in Afghanistan - warning of the harsh winters and the inevitable spring offensives that would kill thousands of US troops. Yet, they'd want to invade Pakistan, where the terrain is supposedly even worse than in Afghanistan and whose government has claimed that they would fight the Islamists (especially after the Lal Masjid).


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#54 (4064966) eowyn2 0 [2007-08-01 08:52:24]

My contention is that the Dems really do want us to pull out of Iraq so that it WILL crumble and they can blame it on the reps because 'if we hadnt been there then it never would have happened' I know everyone is with me so far.

HOWEVER, if a democrat then gets into office, they can charge into the fray in Iraq (which will be in much worse condition) and FIX it. Well, that's my opinion of the plan anyway. If we think the war has cost us a lot financially (we will not discuss the lives and emotions involved) can you imagine what the peace will cost us if Obama or Clinton are in charge.


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#55 (4064969) mandymanners 0 [2007-08-01 08:52:56]

re: #47 Occasional Reader

Oops. Ordinals.


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#56 (4064970) golem akbar 0 [2007-08-01 08:52:59]

Someone needs to keep Obama away from the model airplane glue. He's been huffing a little too much, I'm afraid.


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#57 (4064971) windhorse 0 [2007-08-01 08:53:25]

[Link: www.paulnoll.com...]

It must be the season...


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#58 (4064972) zionistyoungster 0 [2007-08-01 08:53:34]

Sarack Hubbein Osama!


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#59 (4064973) tex68 0 [2007-08-01 08:53:36]

Wonder what the nutroots are saying? I guess it's OK if a Dimocrat does it. What a joke that party has become. But, me thinks they are trying to play to the Bluedawgs because 47 of them where elected in 2006.


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#60 (4064974) killgore trout 0 [2007-08-01 08:53:43]

Koskidz claim it's not true...
(UPDATED)What Obama actually said about fighting terrorism

The actual speech itself does not mention invading or even sending troops into Pakistan. Here is what it says:
As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.


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#61 (4064975) bosforus 0 [2007-08-01 08:53:50]

re: #47 Occasional Reader

yup, or they'll just say el trece. but other than that and maybe a few other points of grammar spanish as a language is smooth as butter.


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#62 (4064976) mandymanners 0 [2007-08-01 08:53:52]

re: #52 Ginn

re: #30 MandyManners


Incredilbly silky hair.

Why does he remind me of a contestant in a pageant?


Because he is one, Mandy?

I'd not give him even Mr. Congeniality.


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#63 (4064978) poitiers-lepanto 0 [2007-08-01 08:54:00]

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Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan

Hussein Obama joins the jihad against Musharraf ?


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#64 (4064979) opnion 0 [2007-08-01 08:54:03]

Edwards is irrelevant. He will not be on the ticket & could not carry his home state.
Barak Huessin Obama is another matter. He has the media just crazy for him & could be on the ticket at the top or veep.
He is naive in the extreme. If it were doable without Musharaff being ousted and replaced by an Islamic Republic, we would have done it.
He is such a light weight that he needs a paper weight on his head to keep from blowing away.


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#65 (4064980) nosubmission 0 [2007-08-01 08:54:28]

Have the KOS-teens thrown a hissy fit yet?


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#66 (4064981) lawhawk 0 [2007-08-01 08:54:43]

re: #28 Occasional Reader

Who's to say that we aren't already engaging in hot pursuits across the border - why would the US broadcast that - especially if it puts the heat on Musharraf? If the media doesn't know about it, and opsec prevents the US from reporting it, then the US could be going after Taliban/AQ entering Afghanistan from Pakistan or retreating back into Pakistan.

I get the sense that they're doing this, but aren't going all the way into Pakistan's Warizistan because of logistics and the geopolitical situation there.


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#67 (4064983) 1sg(ret) 0 [2007-08-01 08:55:51]

re: #14 MandyManners

Mandy, you have hit the proverbial nail on the head. They do think the American people are stupid.

And to be honest most Americans are stupid when it comes to world affairs (Not here of course). Until the American people wake up and learn something about the people that wants to destroy our way of life, this will continue.

As the old saying goes 'Know thy enemy' seems to be something even our government has forgotten.

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#68 (4064984) pat 0 [2007-08-01 08:55:54]

Mandy
No Mr Congeniality, even after his talk about World Peace?


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#69 (4064985) lawhawk 0 [2007-08-01 08:56:02]

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Koskidz claim it's not true...
(UPDATED)What Obama actually said about fighting terrorism

The actual speech itself does not mention invading or even sending troops into Pakistan. Here is what it says:
As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.
I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.


So, that last line doesn't mean taking military action, including bombing with airstrikes, artillery, or sending in ground forces? Most curious.



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#71 (4064987) atweber 0 [2007-08-01 08:56:04]

President Osama Bin Borax--time to move to Australia?


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#72 (4064988) frogmarch 0 [2007-08-01 08:56:27]

The Democrats are DYING for Osama to release a video tape proving he is alive.

The Democrats have made it clear that the only terrorist worth fighting is the 'tallest man in Pakistan'.


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#73 (4064989) david simon 0 [2007-08-01 08:56:33]
This may be the most cynical and hypocritical batch of Democrats that has ever run for President.

They showed their true colors during the Dubai Ports World controversy. 'I'm against whatever you are for' is their mantra, and it's one of the reasons why their approval ratings are in the toilet. You can't lead if all you ever do is criticize.


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#74 (4064991) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 08:57:15]

#43 Ginn:

Go into another country without their permission?

When that country is harboring terrorists who are doing cross-border attacks to kill our troops? Yes, that should be on the table, at the very least. Think Israel/Lebanon. Hell, think Cambodia circa 1970. And I'd rather have that question as part of our political debate, than have the Democrats being the all-dhimmi-all-the-time party, with no resulting battle of ideas for the Republicans.


Get embroiled in yet another Iraq type war?

Killing AQ in Waziristan need not be the same thing as attempting to install liberal democracy in Iraq.

My problem with Obama and Edwards saying these things is that we know they're full of sh*t, not that these things don't need to be said.


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#75 (4064995) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 08:58:24]

You guys- he was misquoted. He wants to cross the border to build daycare centers and abortion clinics- the Alpha and Omega of Democratic Politics.


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#76 (4064997) firebreather 0 [2007-08-01 08:59:02]

America has already had 3 bumbling, ignorant presidents in a row (IMO).

We don't need Obama, another dangerously inept neophyte mouthing empty platitudes.

Let's see... Obama's foreign policy will be to sign detentes with Iran & North Korea, then invade Pakistan, or Saudi Arabia?

The West will not survive media-manufactured imposter-leaders with nicely pressed suits, toothsome grins, easy smiles, and 50 publicists on staff telling them to kiss babies & say 'Islam is peace.'

We need a Charles Martel, a Richard the Lionhearted, not a pandering, empty-headed suit with an image consultant.


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#77 (4064999) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 08:59:12]

As for Edwards, his campaign released this manifesto:


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#78 (4065002) mj 0 [2007-08-01 08:59:46]

Here's Obama's plan in brief:

'When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.'

In other words, we're gonna win the war on Islamic terrorism with talk and with losing a war we're currently engaged in.
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]


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#79 (4065003) nosubmission 0 [2007-08-01 08:59:52]

re: #68 pat

Mandy
No Mr Congeniality, even after his talk about World Peace?


The Red Mosque jihadeen just need a nice warm hug.


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#80 (4065004) dirk diggler 0 [2007-08-01 09:00:26]

I don't have a problem with the Saudis spending billions on military hardware. Their military is only good for parades. The fat, pampered princelings who make up their air force are also no match for IAF pilots.

Furthermore billions spent on military harware prevents the Saudis from spending billions on exporting Wahabbism to the developing world.

The export of Wahabbism is truly destabilizing and detrimental to American interests.


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#81 (4065005) yankee division son 0 [2007-08-01 09:00:30]

It's gonna be fun to watch the lefty blogs spin this one, I think it may be a tad of a problem with his 'base'...

I just heard a muffled bang, I think it was heads exploding over at ANSWER hq.. not to mention code pink..

What's curious is I'd expect to hear such 'tough talk' from Dems AFTER the nomination, when they usually (have to) move to the center, not before..


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#82 (4065006) boy hits car 0 [2007-08-01 09:00:42]

re: #46 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet


113 posts in over 3 years? You mean you actually have a life and don't sit at the computer all day?

Whoa, I need to slow down. 3 posts per month on LGF is borderline obsessive. I contribute more here than I do at work.


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#83 (4065007) areopagitica 0 [2007-08-01 09:00:43]

It really boggles my mind as to the depths of stupidity our elected officials are capable of reaching. First George and Condi give our tax dollars and weapons to Arab dictatorships and pander to the Saudis by pushing the Saudi 'land for peace' initiative on Israel then we have Obama on the other side of the aisle saying that he will take action as president that only increases the chances that islamonazis would gain possession of nuclear weapons. And how is John 'silken weave' Edwards going to deal with the Saudis and other arab countries when they spit forth crap about Zionists conspiracies? Again, FDR and Churchill are rotating at ludicrous speed in their graves.

Maybe I won't vote in 2008.


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#84 (4065009) killgore trout 0 [2007-08-01 09:00:49]

re: #69 lawhawk

Maybe the koskidz see some some of nuance where we'll send in the Peace Corps and persuade them to surrender in accordance with the Geneva Convention.


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#85 (4065010) formercorpsman 0 [2007-08-01 09:01:09]

Our friends, our allies.

The contradictions are plentiful.

Lord help us.

pathetic.



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#87 (4065013) tex68 0 [2007-08-01 09:02:24]

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Koskidz claim it's not true...
(UPDATED)What Obama actually said about fighting terrorism

The actual speech itself does not mention invading or even sending troops into Pakistan. Here is what it says:

As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan. I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.


So their saying we will bomb unilateral? Amazing!
But what if the intelligence turns out to be wrong?
...blame President Bush even though he won't be in office.


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#88 (4065015) sonofliberty 0 [2007-08-01 09:03:16]

Hilarious.

This is nothing more than preemptive bracing against the incoming Patraeus report. I've noted a sharp decline in news coming out of Iraq, which tells me that the MSM has nothing to report in favor of their agenda. Hell, even Drudge lacks a single Iraq-specific story (troop deaths, suicide bombings, etc).

What that tells me is that the surge has performed as expected or better. Which means that the Democratic anti-war dingdong candidates will have been wrong this whole time.

Time to start bracing for impact when Patraeus' report sinks the SS Surrender.

'But I'm for hunting down Al-Quackeda!'

Was Kerry's 2004 playbook leaked to the rest of the democratic candidates?


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#89 (4065016) beerdrinking_victorymonkey 0 [2007-08-01 09:03:21]

It's the Groucho Marx school of foreign policy - 'Whatever it (Bush's policy) is, I'm against it!'



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#91 (4065018) 1sg(ret) 0 [2007-08-01 09:03:48]

re: #83 Areopagitica

Maybe I won't vote in 2008

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That'll teach'em! Did wonders in the last election!

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#92 (4065019) charles 0 [2007-08-01 09:04:05]

re: #74 Occasional Reader

My problem with Obama and Edwards saying these things is that we know they're full of sh*t, not that these things don't need to be said.

Bullseye. It's all a sham.


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#93 (4065020) formercorpsman 0 [2007-08-01 09:04:06]

re: #88 SonOfLiberty

hammer meet nail.


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#94 (4065021) arier_tzvi 0 [2007-08-01 09:04:08]

wait isn't Pakistan supposed to be a U.S. partner in fighting terror?
Why would Obama want to invade Pakistan? Stupid comment on his part.
Edwards well Dhimmi attitude.


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#95 (4065026) tex68 0 [2007-08-01 09:04:54]

re: #78 MJ

Here's Obama's plan in brief:

'When I am President, we will wage the war that has to be won, with a comprehensive strategy with five elements: getting out of Iraq and on to the right battlefield in Afghanistan and Pakistan; developing the capabilities and partnerships we need to take out the terrorists and the world's most deadly weapons; engaging the world to dry up support for terror and extremism; restoring our values; and securing a more resilient homeland.'

In other words, we're gonna win the war on Islamic terrorism with talk and with losing a war we're currently engaged in.
[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

Isn't that what we have been doing? Beside getting out of Iraq. Obama's intellect in outstanding...LOL!


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#96 (4065031) firebreather 0 [2007-08-01 09:05:13]

I hope Obama names burqa-wearing Nancy Pelosi as his running mate-- and they can tout bin Laden's efforts to build 'daycare centers' for the children of busy, corporate-minded Muslim mommies in the mountains of Afghanistan.

But as bad as that sounds, if another RINO gets elected he'll end up bankrolling the Saudi Wahhabists with our tax dollars.


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#97 (4065033) andy dufresne 0 [2007-08-01 09:05:22]

Obama is afraid that he is being seen as a lightweight, so I guess this is his way of showing how tough he is.

If President Obama -- not going to happen, but let's pretend -- invaded Waziristan, then I'm Donald Duck. Obama is such a weakling, he'd be kow-towing to the Middle East terrorist dictators by dinnertime on January 20, 2009.


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#98 (4065034) ayatollah ghilmeini 0 [2007-08-01 09:05:44]

Wow Obama watched the episode of West Wing where Martin Sheen actually used force!

Obama is a very naive man who knows little of just how the real world works. He does not understand that a nation's most important currency in international affairs are respect and keeping commitments.

The reason it is so important to win in Iraq is precisely so that our enemies and allies respect our willingness to follow through on what we say and do to the end. We said we would confront the Axis of Evil and we have. Staying in Iraq fulfills our commitment to confront al Qaeda anywhere and everywhere. It matters not whether they were there or not when the fight began, they are there now and they must be destroyed.

For Obama not to be able to see the two fights as one, the devastating consequences of a retreat in Iraq and the inconsistency it shows our allies proves that he is every bit as unqualified for national office as Mrs. Clinton (just for different reasons).


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#99 (4065036) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 09:06:03]

To put it another way: Would we really be happier if Obama had said 'I would never, under any circumstances, violate the sovereignty of Pakistan, and rather would urge them to peacefully disarm AQ in the border region'; and Edwards had said, 'I think Bush is being way too tough on the poor Saudis'?


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#100 (4065037) pawn of the oppressor 0 [2007-08-01 09:06:03]

re: #81 Yankee Division Son

What's curious is I'd expect to hear such 'tough talk' from Dems AFTER the nomination, when they usually (have to) move to the center, not before..

I was thinking the same thing. I guess at this point they figure they've got the housewife vote locked down, so now it's time to re-discover their balls? Maybe they've decided the leftie nuts are actually hurting them in the long run.

We could have told them that.


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#101 (4065038) scottthecanuck 0 [2007-08-01 09:07:09]

What a tool! Of course he can lie about anything (including his supposed christian conversion) because muslim's are allowed to lie to the non-umma.


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#102 (4065040) geepers 0 [2007-08-01 09:08:55]

Killgore Trout (#60),

As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

How convenient that that's the action in place currently.

18 killed in shootout

MIRANSHAH: Pakistani security forces, backed by helicopter gunships, killed 18 militants in fighting in the troubled North Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border yesterday, officials said. The fighting broke out after militants riding on two vehicles tried to attack security forces in Khawaja Wali village, near Miranshah.

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#103 (4065048) david simon 0 [2007-08-01 09:10:04]

Regarding North Waziristan, Musharraf may have finally gotten the message:

IN North Waziristan, the wild border land that America hopes will be Osama Bin Laden’s graveyard, the normally busy roads are almost deserted and the fear is pervasive. Army helicopters sweep the valleys at night hunting for Al-Qaeda militants as troops and gunmen exchange artillery and rocket fire.

America and Britain regard this usually autonomous tribal area - where Bin Laden is long believed to have been hiding - as the logistics centre of Islamic terrorist attacks around the world.

President Pervez Musharraf sees it as the centre of a campaign to “Talibanise” Pakistan. Spurred on by Washington, he has abandoned a truce with Waziristan’s Islamist guerrillas and ordered his army to root them out.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]


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#104 (4065050) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 09:10:23]

re: #99 Occasional Reader

To put it another way: Would we really be happier if Obama had said 'I would never, under any circumstances, violate the sovereignty of Pakistan, and rather would urge them to peacefully disarm AQ in the border region'; and Edwards had said, 'I think Bush is being way too tough on the poor Saudis'?

To put yet another way, why is it suddenly hip for a Democrat to be a hawk in the terror war?


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#105 (4065052) easy 0 [2007-08-01 09:10:56]

re: #96 firebreather

But as bad as that sounds, if another RINO gets elected he'll end up bankrolling the Saudi Wahhabists with our tax dollars.


I hate to bring this up, as I have to go and can't stay around to discuss it, but it appears that we are selling to the Saudis.


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#106 (4065057) bosforus 0 [2007-08-01 09:11:49]

re: #95 tex68

If we leave Iraq immediately and focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan, Al-Qaeda's HQ are going to leave Afghanistan and Pakistan immediately and focus on Iraq.


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#107 (4065060) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 09:12:29]
Bullseye.

Excellent! What do I win?

(My guess: Anything in this general area right here. Anything below the stereo and on this side of the bicentennial glasses. Anything between the ashtrays and the thimble. Anything in this three inches right in here, in this area. That includes the Chiclets, but not the erasers.)


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#108 (4065064) pawn of the oppressor 0 [2007-08-01 09:13:24]

Wait a minute, I see what's going on here - there has been a lot of noise around the Dem nutbase about how the 'Right Wing Hate Machine' is 'smearing' Obama and Edwards about being 'girly men'. Edwards is especially getting pasted because of the expensive haircuts and having his wife stand up for him in the media (this is pretty much nothing compared to their daily calls for harassment or even death & dismemberment of anybody with an 'R' next to their name, but whatever).

Both campaigns have noticed this and want to put an end to the Democrat-as-Pussy stereotype by talking tough. The question is, where did they come up with the idea of openly calling for the invasion of a nuclear-armed pseudo-ally, and 'getting tough' with our fuel supply without making sure we have gas sources and a good energy policy at home? Do they not think these things through?

/rhetorical question


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#109 (4065066) hippieforlife 0 [2007-08-01 09:13:48]

So, Obama didn't like the word naive so he settled for stupid instead.

Good choice.



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#111 (4065070) eowyn2 0 [2007-08-01 09:14:49]

re: #60 Killgore Trout

Koskidz claim it's not true...
(UPDATED)What Obama actually said about fighting terrorism

The actual speech itself does not mention invading or even sending troops into Pakistan. Here is what it says:
As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.
I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.


perhaps they didn't read the last line.


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#112 (4065071) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 09:14:50]

re: #74 Occasional Reader

#43 Ginn:

Go into another country without their permission?
When that country is harboring terrorists who are doing cross-border attacks to kill our troops? Yes, that should be on the table, at the very least. Think Israel/Lebanon. Hell, think Cambodia circa 1970. And I'd rather have that question as part of our political debate, than have the Democrats being the all-dhimmi-all-the-time party, with no resulting battle of ideas for the Republicans.

Get embroiled in yet another Iraq type war?
Killing AQ in Waziristan need not be the same thing as attempting to install liberal democracy in Iraq.

My problem with Obama and Edwards saying these things is that we know they're full of sh*t, not that these things don't need to be said.

okay.. gotcha!


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#113 (4065072) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 09:14:59]

#104 PK:

To put yet another way, why is it suddenly hip for a Democrat to be a hawk in the terror war?

Because they're afraid the surge is working.


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#114 (4065082) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 09:16:58]

#110 IF:

The only worse thing would be to announce that we are going to do it, and then not follow through with it. That shows up the US as a paper tiger, just like Osama bin Laden said.

And I would expect that the latter option is what we would get under Barak Hussein.

I agree completely. I would not trust Obama one iota to actually follow through on a 'get tough on the WoT' line.


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#115 (4065083) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 09:17:06]

re: #104 Peacekeeper

To put yet another way, why is it suddenly hip for a Democrat to be a hawk in the terror war?

Good question..

Cause when the Dems do something.. it's hip, man.

:Snap:


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#116 (4065089) formercorpsman 0 [2007-08-01 09:17:48]

I can't stand it anymore.

The more I read what they say, the more my head feels as if it going to explode.

This exemplifies the narcissism of liberalism.

Just any type of 'program' they clamor for. 'I hate that word too'.

They implement a huge bureaucracy, with the claim of it decreasing the need for the program over time, it does not produce the result, because we did not feed it with more money, we feed it more money, it still does not give the result, they start campaigning that we need to change such an outdated program, getting back to basics, cutting the fat, and putting the blame of failure on those who never proposed the program in the first place.

Everything the claim now they want to do now to combat terrorism, is the same shit they were slamming those who doing the same thing after 911.

Fucking assholes.


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#117 (4065093) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 09:18:11]

re: #113 Occasional Reader

#104 PK:

To put yet another way, why is it suddenly hip for a Democrat to be a hawk in the terror war?
Because they're afraid the surge is working.

Finger to the wind.


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#118 (4065100) timk 0 [2007-08-01 09:18:57]

These pussies were afraid to debate on Fox News, so of course these are the guys (and gal) that I want to have kicking ass in the Middle East.


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#119 (4065106) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 09:20:35]

re: #113 Occasional Reader

#104 PK:


To put yet another way, why is it suddenly hip for a Democrat to be a hawk in the terror war?

Because they're afraid the surge is working.

Yes, but, to date they have ignored it and continued to spin it as Vietnam. I wonder what their polling looks like? Can we expect KOS and the whole rampant left to be ditched soon?


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#120 (4065110) ginn 0 [2007-08-01 09:21:05]

re: #118 TimK

These pussies were afraid to debate on Fox News, so of course these are the guys (and gal) that I want to have kicking ass in the Middle East.

yeah. lol.

Ass kicking pussies.


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#121 (4065112) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 09:21:26]

Maybe Charles needs to move the flying pig out of the hanger...


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#122 (4065118) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 09:23:18]

#119 PK:

Can we expect KOS and the whole rampant left to be ditched soon?

Here is the musical, rhetorical answer to your question.


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#123 (4065121) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 09:24:23]

Lately it occurs to me what a long, strange trip its been.


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#124 (4065124) looking closely 0 [2007-08-01 09:25:28]

As I said yesterday, the Dems have it upside down.

Politically, the BEST thing for them would be continued improvement in Iraq. With the war then off the agenda, casualties down and troops starting to come home, then they could focus (with maybe some credibility) on the idiotic entitlement programs they love and gaining more seats.

They're just too short-sighted to see or wait for it and too partisan to adopt any position in alignment with the Republicans.


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#125 (4065126) wk 0 [2007-08-01 09:26:05]
The actual speech itself does not mention invading or even sending troops into Pakistan.

So what do the Kos Kidz think Obama will do? Lob a few cruise missiles when actionable intelligence crosses his desk? Because that worked SO well for Clinton?!

Boots on the ground, you semi-literate democratic dumbasses, is what it will take. That means invasion.


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#126 (4065127) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 09:26:09]

Busted, down on a Bourbon street, set up, like a bowlin pin.
Knocked down, it gets to wearin thin. they just wont let you be, oh no.


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#127 (4065131) ziggy 0 [2007-08-01 09:26:28]

Osama Obama will talk directly with Iran, Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, but would invade a sovereign ally of ours? (maybe Pakistan can be doing more, but it would be big trouble if Islamists take over there)


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#128 (4065136) contrajihadi 0 [2007-08-01 09:27:03]

re: #16 Ginn

This may be the most cynical and hypocritical batch of Democrats that has ever run for President.

The Democrat Politician Factory has been sub-par for decades Charles.

Aye, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Scoop Jackson, Sam Nunn they ain't. Didn't agree with those fellows on domestic policies, but they were worthy rivals; and they were right on foreign affairs.


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#129 (4065139) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 09:27:37]

Is a sister souljah moment in the offing for Code Pink and Company? It is a known Clinton ploy.


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#130 (4065147) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 09:30:09]
Can we expect KOS and the whole rampant left to be ditched soon?

And my other, non-musical answer: I'm not betting the farm on it, not yet. But I'd rather see the Dems trying to 'run to the right' of Bush on national security (however ludicrous they may be), then see them drift toward the Kucinich wing.


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#131 (4065160) occasional reader 0 [2007-08-01 09:32:38]
I'm not betting the farm on it

Full disclosure: I do not actually own a farm, to my knowledge.


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#132 (4065167) dustyvet 0 [2007-08-01 09:33:31]

re: #18 pat

As if there will be a military if one of these clowns gets in office.
The sheer hipocrusy is breath taking. Instead of condemation from the press we get complementary adjectives as if sounding like an idiot was a virtue.

WASHINGTON - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Wednesday that he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted — an attempt to show strength when his chief rival has described his foreign policy skills as naive.


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#133 (4065170) peacekeeper 0 [2007-08-01 09:33:42]

open thread is up


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#134 (4065175) kj666 0 [2007-08-01 09:34:41]

Wait... so we accuse Lib'ruls of being soft on Islam, soft on terrorism, and soft on terrorists.

When John Edwards decries giving Saudi weapons, we laugh at him?

When Obama says that if elected he would send troops into Pakistan to get terrorists (like EG the apparently-forgotten Bin Laden)... we laugh at HIM?

I love coming here because this is one of the few sites on the web where I can read the truth about Islam. But you guys sure to have your priorities out of whack when it comes to the politics of national defense, helping our REAL allies, saying 'to hell with' our false allies, etc.

I get the impression that you might be more interested in maligning any-and-all-things-more-liberal-than-Limbaugh.

But anyway, keep spreading the word about Islam.

Luv,

jk

Flori-duh

PS...

It's good to know that once Bush is replaced by a Democrat SOMEONE might actually hold Saudomy Arabia and Pakish*t responsible for their terrorist coddling ways.


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#135 (4065177) frogmarch 0 [2007-08-01 09:34:43]

Imagine how inconvenient it will be for the Democrats if:

A) - we win in Iraq - and the Iraqis win in Iraq.

B)- Osama Bin L. is already dead.


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#136 (4065181) dustyvet 0 [2007-08-01 09:35:24]

re: #106 bosforus

re: #95 tex68

If we leave Iraq immediately and focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan, Al-Qaeda's HQ are going to leave Afghanistan and Pakistan immediately and focus on Iraq.


Yup!


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#137 (4065205) rasachema 0 [2007-08-01 09:40:34]

No way this batch of moon-dems can take '08.

... and where the heck is Newt!?


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#138 (4065214) nyc redneck 0 [2007-08-01 09:42:02]

this is almost pathetic:
the empty headed empty suit is desperate to appear tuff.
the breck girl is trying to pretend that his hair and make-up is not his first concern.
we can't let the dolts take charge.


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#139 (4065234) piglet-u93 0 [2007-08-01 09:45:29]

If anyone does not understand what 'Flip-Flop' means and are wondering. This is not it. This is pure deception (outright lies).

Peace, peace, peace now war, war, war, oh that's peace is war, war is peace and Islam is peace. The ignorant, the lazy and the fools are quickly led astray.

Analysis:

First proclaim you are for peace then get 95% of peace loving anti-war people on your side and get them committed.

Then proclaim you are for war and get 45% of those who want retribution for 9/11.

Lose 12% of the peaceful group and your net gain is enough to win the election.

When in office surrender to Islam and retire to Hawaii.


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#140 (4065247) wargammer2005 0 [2007-08-01 09:48:01]

so the traitors want to invade an ally (one that has to balance being killed by hos own people and helping us) and the major supplier of oil (world depression anyone?)

BUT we cant invade a country that supports terrorist, attacked us more than once, ect.


what a bunch of liars and traitors.


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#141 (4065299) wargammer2005 0 [2007-08-01 10:02:21]

re: #83 Areopagitica

FDR betrayed just about everything we wnet to war for


do not use him.

at least Chruchill was forced out of office, but he knew we betrayed those left under soviet rule.

the war was started to protect Poland from Germany, it ened up under Stalin, who was worse


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#142 (4065302) frogmarch 0 [2007-08-01 10:02:46]

the Democrats do not know how to fight and win wars.

They only know how to bitch and complain.


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#143 (4065305) strike hornet 0 [2007-08-01 10:03:20]

I wonder what Mama Moonbat thinks about this...LOL


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#144 (4065308) big l 0 [2007-08-01 10:03:45]

Obama, the anti-war/anti-military is going to order the invasion of Pakistan...what a dope. Hey schnickelfritz-invasion is war,takes troops, you tyro.
Gad, you couldn't write this stuff as a screen-play. Isn' it great/sad that Oprah is exposed as a dope with money who knows how to make more money.
The Hil/obama ticket is all set and Hillary is playing the field for a fool. All these stories are planned: the protestors, the spats with Barak Hussein Obama, the stupid stories about cleavage. All phony, all scripted to suck the air out of the newsday.
Meanwhile the hillary juggernaut rolls on, talking to women and buttering them up and tageting the millions who have never voted beofre or never voted donk before.
One 25 yr old woman called radio show and said she knew hillary was not good forthe country but she was a woman and she was so excited to think a Woman will be President. and that even tho Hillary had views apart, this young woman said she was going to work on her campaign.
This is the prob and why Hill wins. Because women are sold on this dumb mystique
And Hannity and all the rest are ignorring this and it is at our peril. Hillary will get all these conservative women to pull the lever for her and win too.


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#145 (4065315) david simon 0 [2007-08-01 10:04:39]

#134 kj666 -

Wait... so we accuse Lib'ruls of being soft on Islam, soft on terrorism, and soft on terrorists.

Yes.

When John Edwards decries giving Saudi weapons, we laugh at him?

How do you take the man seriously when he says things like this?

As president, I will close Guantanamo Bay, restore habeas corpus, and ban torture.


[Link: johnedwards.com...]

(btw, I love the bit about 'restoring' habeas corpus; when was it suspended lol?)

When Obama says that if elected he would send troops into Pakistan to get terrorists (like EG the apparently-forgotten Bin Laden)... we laugh at HIM?

War with Iraq was a bad idea, but war with Pakistan is a good idea? Again, how do you take the man seriously?


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#146 (4065324) brent 0 [2007-08-01 10:05:51]

Obama wants to invade Pakistan, eh? I wonder how well that will play out with Musharref - wonder what happens when a relatively friendly leader gets replaced with an al Qaeda-lite government.

That just happens to have nukes.

Good thinkin', Mr. Obama. What's next, maybe lobbing cruise missiles at mainland China?


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#147 (4065346) jill e 0 [2007-08-01 10:09:41]

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies. —Groucho Marx


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#148 (4065373) perkypauly 0 [2007-08-01 10:16:42]

What a scary thought, Osama -oops sorry meant Obama in the White House. On second thought both are scary


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#149 (4065375) spiritualized 0 [2007-08-01 10:16:57]
friendly Arab states

If we keep repeating that phrase over and over, does it magically become true?


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#150 (4065384) formercorpsman 0 [2007-08-01 10:19:18]

re: #134 kj666


I think what you will find, more often than not with respect to the general opinion of the posters, is that many recognize the same contradictions you point out.

In fact, if you do read the opinions, we fight about these issues all the time, and this is certainly not a love fest for Bush, or Hannity, or Limbaugh, etc.

The reason we slam the vast majority of dems, is that they paint themselves into a corner.

Since 2003 they have gone ape shit over the fact we went against the UNSC, 'our allies' with respect to Iraq.

Personally, I question our allies motives, especially in light of the kickbacks from oil for food, at their behest as a condition of cease-fire during the first gulf conflict.

The level of contradiction, especially when they clamor for how things were done so wrong up until now, but when you parse their way of doing the job, it is no different on paper.

Furthermore, I would love to know what success, moreover, what resistance did the last 2 Democrat Presidents do that were any different than their counter-parts?

We know Clinton solicited the Sauds for his library, and I think Carter might have done the same. You don't go asking for millions of dollars without offering something in return.



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#152 (4065398) carol herman 0 [2007-08-01 10:22:36]

Well, here's my observation: PEOPLE NOTICE

For instance, people notice that John Edwards was John Kerry's running mate. Oh. That. Team. LOST.

The loss in 2004 was big enough; Bush collected 4-million-more-votes than he got in 2000. That the lesson was out there. But the Bonkeys ignored it.

People today are aware that IF turnout's poor, the Bonkey's will steal the election.

On the other hand, because of the Internet, one of the things that deals with 'turn around time,' falls on the MSM, always, now, behind the curve. That's picked up on Internet traffic.

I guess John Murtha's idea of 'relocating to Okinawa' doesn't cut it for the candidates running for the democrapic nomination, huh?

Well, 'that's entertainment.' Too bad it's coming from the MSM when they hodge-podge the news.

Oh, Lucianne has up a headline, that now that Murdoch OWNS the Wall Street Journal, there's real competition coming down the pike, now, for the New Yuk Times. 'Sweaty Palms' sez Lucianne's headline. GOOD, say I.


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#153 (4065415) michaelhop 0 [2007-08-01 10:27:57]

Ten Reasons We Can't Invade Pakistan...(if I were a Deluded Dem)

1. It might result in the loss of ONE INNOCENT LIFE.

2. Think about the harm to the poor Pakistani CHILDREN.

3. We would have to have a MULTI-NATIONAL FORCE

4. There's no backing from the INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY

5. It would inflame the MUSLIM STREET

6. A KORAN might be damaged

7. Pakistan was NOT INVOLVED IN 9-11

8. There will be MILLIONS OF REFUGEES

9. It will destroy the chances for a COMPREHENSIVE SOLUTION TO THE ISRAELI PALESTINIAN CRISIS.

10. It will DEMORALIZE OUR TROOPS BECAUSE THERE'S NO DEFINED MISSION.

By d' way: Didy'a ever notice that if you take Obama and turn it into Osama, the two letters involved are BS?


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#154 (4065435) is it me? 0 [2007-08-01 10:36:58]

I don't know who this Obama bloke is but that was beyond stupid.
If he gets voted in I think America would be in sooo much trouble. Tactically it makes no sense at all.

Pakistan is a member of the Commonwealth so it won't go down well here in Britain. Altho having said that the Pakistanis are not flavour of the month what with the internal terrorist situation we have here at the moment. The first rule of war is 'know thine enemy' but it should also read 'know thy friends'. Parvez runs Pakistan and so should know far better than Obama could ever know the situation on the ground concerning the various alliances and stresses/tensions involved in all the tribal areas. Only he is really in a position to weigh up his options in opposing the 'tallibanisation' of Pakistan and how he can go about it without, hopefully, turning the NW area into a hotbed of extremists and fomenting a civil war in his country. Any help, whether military, Intel. arms or financial should be discussed with him in private. All this chest beating in public in order to bolster up your image is very dangerous. You don't give your enemies ammunition to point in your direction. And that is what he is doing by threatening not only to possibly bomb or invade an independant country but also to undermine/place in danger from extremists/ the leader of a country that is pro-west, against the Talliban and even worse has nukes. If Parvez goes down then who will take over? Possibly someone who doesn't like the West or someone who could be an Islamisist. In which case you will be faced with Iran with bells on. That scenario would then probably drag India in because they would be stirring up the moslem population living in India. It would go downhill from there.
Other posters have also made some very pertinent points on Obamas' lack of tactical ability.
America is seen as a bully, using her military might to forcibly change other countries political and cultural outlook to one that looks and acts like her. Your enemies love that picture of you and use it to whip up outrage and terrorism against you. Iraq is a good example of this and look at the result. It's very irresponsible to add to this impression.
Iraq needs to be stabilised and so everyone should be supporting the troops and General P. in their efforts which seem to be bearing fruit. Once Iraq can stand on its' own then you can go after AQ full time.
If Bin Laden is still alive the last I heard was that he was hiding in the back end of Pakistan and sending instructions on bits of paper via his bodyguards. That isn't a sign of an efficient terrorist organisation. It could be that he's dead and others are running AQ from various bases but we don't know how effective they really are. (Altho. they are joining up with terror cells all over the ME and North Africa)
You could take the terrorists out as they come over the passes into Afghan. or even better hunt down and kill the leaders. They dont like free thought and independand action so they could be left running round in circles. Isolate them in NW Pak. and make them impotent. What are they going to do then? Go Shopping?
Obama sounds like a nit-wit!


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#155 (4065442) dad o' blondes 0 [2007-08-01 10:37:50]

I'll take 'Tyros' for $600, Alex.

And it's a daily double...

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#156 (4065447) lurking faith 0 [2007-08-01 10:38:47]

re: #32 Ward Cleaver

And this at the same time the Dems are trying to stop new exploration for oil here in the U.S. What do they think we're gonna drive? Flatulance-powered, balsa wood cars? Cars powered by a hug and a smile?


This post should come with a warning:
May cause strangled, snorting laughter to issue from your cubicle.

Too bad Teddy Kennedy didn't have one of those cars years ago - I imagine he'd have flown right over the river.


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#157 (4065487) remembersekhmet? 0 [2007-08-01 10:49:27]

re: #6 Fresh Air

And what will be his plan when Musharraf is swept away by a coup in response to our invasion?

For 50 bonus points, what will his response be to a nuclear-armed version of the Taliban with a larger army and a fleet of American military hardware?

QFT



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#159 (4065511) mj 0 [2007-08-01 10:55:18]

re: #154 Is it me?

Good post.
Terrorism will continue even if we succeed in killing every AQ member. Our fight, the West's fight, is with an ideology. Killing a man will not kill the ideology. It's much larger than that...something which no one currently in power in the US or who is seeking power seems to understand. There are, in fact, two versions of that ideology currently seeking to destroy the West.


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#160 (4065516) texas gal 0 [2007-08-01 10:56:05]

Boy there are two foreign policy geniuses idiots!

One day Obama is spouting unconditional talks to our enemies and the next day he’s spouting invasion of a sovereign country who just happens to be an ally, (like it or not). Obama is obviously unaware that invasion is what we have been doing. If he really wanted to get real tough, he would have said flatten Waziristan. That's really the only way to treminate that problem.

Edwards on the other hand doesn’t understand Iran doesn’t need any incentive to go nuclear, Saudi or no Saudi deal!


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#161 (4065566) justadot 0 [2007-08-01 11:04:56]

re: #110 Iron Fist

re: #99 Occasional Reader,

The only worse thing would be to announce that we are going to do it, and then not follow through with it. That shows up the US as a paper tiger, just like Osama bin Laden said.

And I would expect that the latter option is what we would get under Barak Hussein.

Exactly. Why is this toughest talk we've heard yet from Obama? I don't believe it's any more than an attempt to counter this weak image he's been cultivating. Some well thought-out points followed by a coherent policy for the whole region would be good. Talking loud and doing nothing will hurt us more in the end.

Edwards? Nothing but hairspray there.


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#162 (4065587) max headroom 0 [2007-08-01 11:10:05]

I wonder how soon one of them recommends talking to Osama bin Laden to find a compromise?


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#163 (4065603) sheik yer'mami 0 [2007-08-01 11:13:42]

Edwards? Leave his hair alone, but you can kiss his comb...
The Sowdi's would eat this dumb kid alive.

Don't get me started on Obama.


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#164 (4065605) tex68 0 [2007-08-01 11:14:09]

re: #106 bosforus

LOL! Yep...then we'll be going back! Dimocrat logic.


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#165 (4065611) stormhit 0 [2007-08-01 11:14:58]

Come on. It's posts like this that stretch the credibility of still maintaining that this is somehow a non-partisan blog. Basically, because he's a Dem, it seems it makes no difference what his positions are. I'm not trying to hide the fact that I consider my self a Democratic voter, but at the same time fighting Islamic terror is something that's really important to me. I like what he said in that way because to me it makes a lot of sense.

It's not like I expect most here to agree with everything he stands for in the speech, but at the very least I think he should be granted the same sliver of optimism for recognizing the problem that Republican candidates receive.


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#166 (4065641) spiker 0 [2007-08-01 11:20:26]

Oh please. This reminds me of when the dems start up with how religious they are during the election cycle. Same hypocrisy.


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#167 (4065661) yochanan 0 [2007-08-01 11:25:20]

obama is dhimmi carter with a tan.

SSDD


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#168 (4065666) justadot 0 [2007-08-01 11:26:30]

re: #165 stormhit

I wish I could I agree with you, and I would like think that Sen. Obama is serious about Al Qaeda. But these may be the harshest words I've heard him use yet in the campaign. And these words would have to be backed up at some point.

I'd prefer a sliver of substance, at least.


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#169 (4065670) yochanan 0 [2007-08-01 11:27:14]

AND THE DONK FIELD IS SO WEAK THEY MAKE THE HILDABEAST LOOK PRESIDENTAL


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#170 (4065671) dr.bob 0 [2007-08-01 11:27:22]

re: #10 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #3 JCM

Obama's too naive to be POTUS.


Well, Hillary's experience is a single term as Senator, some years of shady dealing at a small time Arkansas law firm, and a failed attempt to oversee the nationalization of healthcare.


But Stalin in a Pantsuit has, IMHO, about a 50/50 chance of being POTUS in January, 2007.

January, 2009 ?


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#171 (4065672) wanumba 0 [2007-08-01 11:27:24]
This may be the most cynical and hypocritical batch of Democrats that has ever run for President.


Add UNQUALIFIED.

1) executive experience ---ZERO
2) administration ---ZERO
3) management ---ZERO
4) foreign affairs ---ZERO
5) economics ---NEGATIVE 100

But, BOY HOWDY, they know what YOU SHOULD be doing.
Someone pointed out a few years ago (maybe Mark Steyn?) that the Clinton's cabinet was the least diverse bunch ever ever. 100% LAWYERS. Who cared what color they were? LAWYERS.
What's the choice now?
Pick your flavor, trial lawyer or corporate lawyer?


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#172 (4065690) wanumba 0 [2007-08-01 11:32:19]

And shall we all watch Madame Clinton attempt to claim she has more credibility than her competitors because of executive experience gained whilst being First Lady for 8 years?
And if she does, which she will try in some manner, cause all she has is corporate lawyering, she should then explain under what Constitutional presumptive authority she used to obtain that 'executive experience.'


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#173 (4065692) lurking faith 0 [2007-08-01 11:33:16]

re: #165 stormhit

The only 'problem' he (whichever 'he' you are referring to; two men are under discussion in this thread) recognizes is that many people think he's a foreign-policy lightweight.

Neither man's statement indicates a change from the usual Democrat cries for 'getting tough' in any place they think we currently are not. In their view, any course the Republicans pursue is Bad; however, if the Republicans decide to do what the Democrats cry out for, the Democrats will almost immediately turn and decry it as wrong-headed, and then lay all the blame for that action at Republican feet. (To wit, Iraq.)


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#174 (4065696) mich-again 0 [2007-08-01 11:33:45]

Yes, I'd like a double whopper with cheese...

he would send troops into Pakistan to hunt down terrorists even without local permission if warranted
he will take a tougher stance with Saudi Arabia if elected president.

Ya want fries widdat?


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#175 (4065708) macker 0 [2007-08-01 11:37:05]

You. Have. Got. To. Be. Shittin'. Me.

/God_I_need_a_drink


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#176 (4065717) keefe 0 [2007-08-01 11:39:12]

165 stormhit:

Basically, because he's a Dem, it seems it makes no difference what his positions are.

Exactly!

They'll say anything, absolutely friggin' anything.

And it'll be different tomorrow.

Assuming your referring to Obama's remarks:

1) Afghanistan is a NATO mission, and the Euros won't go for it, even though I'm sure they'll be doing nothing to the fighting. It'll mean the end of the mission at least, perhaps the alliance itself. So much for multilateralism.

2)Musharraf is hanging by a thread. Western troops invading Pakistan will mean his end. Any guesses as to who succeeds him? And control of Pakistans nukes?

3)Does Obama believe that charging about Waziristan can be done without putting more troops into Afghanistan? Any ideas where they might come from?

There's tough, which I like, and there's foolhardy. Were he President he'd too smart to do it.

He's talking through his hat.


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#177 (4065752) marwan's daughter 0 [2007-08-01 11:48:11]

Cynical sons of b***es. This is exactly the kind of stuff the public wants to hear from their leaders. But they are only talk and no action. It would be nice if they did follow through on getting tough with the wretched kingdom (aka Saudi Arabia). Pakistan, I'm not so sure of. But they won't. They are just contrarians to the extreme. Anything Bush does, they are against. I am not really impressed with the Republicans either. I guess I'll end up writing in Ron Paul's name.


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#178 (4065758) highrise 0 [2007-08-01 11:51:19]

Hollywood backs obama, thank god what hollywood backs isn't supported by the average american. I actually think it is a kiss of death when they back a politician.

Yep, obama isn't even in the running..despite what polls say or his bank account.

Can't you just see him whining to the terrorists? Just don't make fun of my ears...I was teased as a kid about them! (he said that to a reporter who commented on his ears hehe..I thought it was such a sign of weakness from someone running for President).


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#179 (4065764) thanos 0 [2007-08-01 11:53:02]

Here's a good essay about why we shouldn't go into Pakistan, he would be defeating the forces he hopes to partner with, there would be nobody to talk to and we'd have another Kim Jong Il / NK; Ahmadinejad/Iran style state to deal with as an army armed with Nukes would take over.

[Link: www.foreignaffairs.org...]


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#180 (4065779) highrise 0 [2007-08-01 11:56:46]

And obama's wife is making a huge mistake I think. I think generally people hated what hillary did while in the whitehouse. She tried to act like she was President and then failed miserably when given the task of healthcare. Generally people have much respect for Bush's wife who knows her role as what the first lady is. Whenever I hear obama's wife go off like a 2nd class person with her slang and attitude, I just think to myself, I don't think anyone wants to really go back to the wife trying to run the white house again.


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#181 (4065787) five-cents' worth 0 [2007-08-01 11:57:46]

What I don't understand is why John Q. Public never seems to string together the nonsensicals that come out of all their mouths - not just Obama.


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#182 (4065975) catttt 0 [2007-08-01 12:27:10]

I'm confused. Invade Pakistan? Our ALLY Pakistan? The Pakistan that has nukes?


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#183 (4065986) rasachema 0 [2007-08-01 12:28:41]

why r the dems getting away w/ this sh*t?


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#184 (4065990) catttt 0 [2007-08-01 12:28:58]

Charles, if Ed's Sock Puppet gets colors, I want my cat avatar back. I promise to use it judiciously.

/:)


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#185 (4066015) talkinkamel 0 [2007-08-01 12:32:42]

#182 Cattt

Yes, I know. Pakistan. Our ally. Our ally with nukes. Makes sense, yes?

/okay, sarc. off!

I think he's returning to the liberal meme that the entire source of the WoT is Bin Ladin/Al-Queda. If we just take care of them, preferrably by some nice, lawful police action, and not some bad, bloody war, everything will be swell, and we won't have to worry about terrorism anymore. (Remember, the Left has been harping over and over about how we should just concentrate on getting Binny, and not worry about anything else.)

Of course, it might just be that Obama's gone cuckoo. I mean Pakistan, our ally. Our ally with nukes. The mind croggles.


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#186 (4066099) incanus 0 [2007-08-01 12:51:16]

re: #134 kj666

The point is (as someone pointed out above), the problem isn't so much what's being said, as who's saying it.

Invading Pakistan unilaterally goes against everything they've been complaining about viz. Iraq. So are they going to be hypocrites and just do it, or wait around for the UN?

Getting tough on the Magic Kingdom isn't going to work; anyone who arrives in Washington DC is quickly re-educated about what happens to those who don't piss off SA (they get paid a LOT of money when their public careers are over).

Personally I don't vote for democrats because I am a capitalist. Your mileage may vary. However, if you really think that a dem president is going to get tough on the terrorists, you must then believe that they're being huge hypocrites at present (pandering to the anti-war left, calling for withdrawal from iraq daily, threatening to cut off funding to the military, opposing measures to combat terrorists, calling for the closure of Gitmo ...) Are these people you want at the top of the chain of command?


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#187 (4066112) incanus 0 [2007-08-01 12:53:03]

re: #141 wargammer2005

re: #83 Areopagitica
the war was started to protect Poland from Germany, it ened up under Stalin, who was worse

That's a rather simplistic view of why WW II started, don't you think?


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#188 (4066118) prousa 0 [2007-08-01 12:55:10]

The Dems candidates have clearly stated their position as anti-Iraq war, that they are worried about seeming weak at election time. Therefore, they have to act like they will be tough in the 'real' and 'justified' war on terror: hunting for Osama Bin Ladin, and the 'big oil' Saudis. How else can they act tough? I doubt they would act on these 'promises' once in office and they are faced with real choices. Yet, I still don't trust any of them to make any good decisions in the area of our military and the war on terror.


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#189 (4066128) tmf 0 [2007-08-01 12:56:52]

Stupid, naive, pandering, cynical, annoying.

But you have to admit- the guy has a way with empty, toothless platitudes that he would never in a million years execute.


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#190 (4066160) joel 0 [2007-08-01 13:02:17]

Dan Quayle had far better qualifications then Barack Hussein Obama yet the MSM made Quayle a figure of ridicule. If Obama (and I know I might get in trouble over this) were a bit lighter and his name was Barry Henry Oberlin he would be in the Ron Paul second tier of candidates.


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#191 (4066181) joel 0 [2007-08-01 13:05:09]

re: #182 Cattt

I'm confused. Invade Pakistan? Our ALLY Pakistan? The Pakistan that has nukes?

Yeas and make sure that Musharaff is replaced by a Pakistani version of Ahmadinejead. That makes real good sense. Pakistan also has a huge, well trained and equipped army and the Punjabis and Pathans are tough soldiers as anyone who fought in Italy during World War II could tell you.
Yet Ketih Olbermann and Chwissy Matthews would get all behind it since it would not be 'Mr. Bush's war' or would it?


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#192 (4066210) frogmarch 0 [2007-08-01 13:09:08]

re: #189 TMF

Stupid, naive, pandering, cynical, annoying.

But you have to admit- the guy has a way with empty, toothless platitudes that he would never in a million years execute.


Is it any wonder Hollywood is in love with him? I mean.. the Hollywood crowd and the emotionalists who think like that just love all those platitudes. That's why they think Bill Clinton was such a star. It's all for show-- no substance.

It's all dress-up and no reality.


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#193 (4066281) joel 0 [2007-08-01 13:20:13]

re: #192 FrogMarch

Can you imagine John Murtha and the F.R.K. (Fat Rich Kid) Teddy Kennedy getting behind waging war on Pakistan?


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#194 (4066453) catttt 0 [2007-08-01 13:49:13]

The thing is - this Pakistan thing is just idiotic. Even a LLL going for a meme would not suddenly post - 'I know what we can do, kids - let's attack Pakistan!'

Is Senator Obama that idiotic?

I 've felt he's inexperienced and a somewhat empty suit playing on his charm. This makes me think he's also stupid.



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#196 (4066620) johnny 100 pesos 0 [2007-08-01 14:12:16]

It seems to me that they want to repeat the mistakes of Jimmy Carter. Carter couldn't tell friends from foe, and turned his back on the Shah of Iran over the Shah's human rights abuses (which did exist). We all know how well that turned out: without US support, the Shah was overthrown and Iran stopped being...if not a friend, at least someone we could do business with. Iran is now one of the West's greatest enemies, and are on the brink of acquiring nukes.

I am not glossing over the human rights abuses of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, or the fact that they produce terrorists. But the fact is that these are nations that to some degree are friendly to the US (in the case of Musharref at an increase of instability in his country). There is a difference between the way I treat my friends and enemies, even for the same offence...and I expect the same is true of governments.

If this is how America treats her friends, then how can any country trust her?

Our beefs with Afghanistan and Iraq are legitimate, and those countries proclaimed themselves to be our enemies. S.A. and Pakistan are allies (or at least not enemies) of ours, and so deserve to be treated differently, and even supported despite what problems they have. It's called real world politics: be good to your friends and tough with your enemies.

And once again, the left can't tell them apart.


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#197 (4066949) themole 0 [2007-08-01 15:06:23]

This may be the most cynical and hypocritical batch of Democrats that has ever run for President.


This is indeed a very cynical and hypocritical bunch, but truly they not an untypical Deomocrat crew. You just haven't looked at previous vintages with the same eyes you cast on them now. Does this group really surpass Bill Clinton in cynicism and hypocrisy? Or Kerry? Gore? Teddy Kennedy? Joe Biden? The Democrat bench is deep. They're the New York Yankees of cynicism and hypocrisy.


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#198 (4067030) obsidiandog 0 [2007-08-01 15:20:30]

Isn't Pakistan right next to Okinawa?


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#199 (4067253) southernborn 0 [2007-08-01 15:57:06]

Obama has just sealed his fate (besides that, I have an idea he's a muslim in sheep's clothing)


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#200 (4068563) jakester 0 [2007-08-01 19:20:27]

It's hypocritical that right wingers should condemn Saudi Arabia in one post, then in the next one savage a Democrat who wants to get tough with Saudi Arabia. Check yourself Charles before joining the right wing hound pack, after all Osama and 15 of 19 9/11 hijackers came from SA.


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#201 (4069499) obsidiandog 0 [2007-08-02 04:04:16]

re: #200 Jakester

He says he wants to get tough with Pakistan...and he's being savaged because no one here believes that this is anything more than political posturing from another peace at any cost democritter, that's all.


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