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Welsh Roots Disputed

British researcher disputes Wales bookBritish researcher David Ford finds the widely reproduced Perry account less than accurate.  Much less.   He writes:

Some points you might be interested in concerning Mr.Perry's writings:

· Brychan Brycheiniog, King of Brycheiniog, was the father of St.Gwenllian, not of her
husband, Molwyn.

· Gwenllian's husband and Caradog's father is generally said to have been Llyr Marini
(of the Sea), one of the many Men of the North. This man, however, is an enigmatic
figure who appears to be named after, or confused with, the Celtic Sea-God, Llyr
Llediarth (Half-Speech). Gwenllian's husband is sometimes given as Masgwid Gloff, a King
of the Lennox region of Scotland, and Molwyn is probably a corrupt form of this name.

· Caradog Freichfras (Strong-Arm) was an early King of Gwent (hence Lord of Hereford,
though probably not Gloucester). His ancestry is highly disputed. The "Bonedd y Saint"
gives the Llyr Marini and Gwenllian parentage. A connection with the Men of the North
seems highly unlikely though. Modern historians tend to identify him as Caradog ap Ynyr
Gwent. Ynyr is probably the earliest recorded King of Gwent, his wife was St.Madrun, the
grandaughter of the infamous King Vortigern. His ancestry can be found on my website.

· Caradog Freichfras' wife was Tegau Eufron (Golden-Breast). Her father is usually given
as Nudd Hael (the Generous), King of Man, though sometimes she is called Guignier and
her father becomes Gereint Llyngesog (Fleet-Owner), King of Dumnonia. I have not seen
the King Pellinor parentage before.

· The family members, as shown, are unlikely to have been Kings of Brycheiniog, though
they may have been Princes of the adjoining Ferreg. Admittedly, King lists for
Brycheiniog do not exist, but it is generally excepted that Brychan was succeeded by his
son, Rhein Dremrydd (Red-Face) and grandson, Rigenew. The latter had male descendants,
but it is unclear whether they ruled Brycheiniog or not.

· Mr.Perry appears to be confused in his note to "12. Anharawd about 819 AD". Anarawd
(variously spelt) is a male name. It is not related to the female name, Angharad. Part
of Madog ap Gryffydd's monument does survive at Valle Crucis Abbey, but it is preserved
within the still-roofed part of the Abbey buildings and not outside.

· I do not understand Mr.Perry's last note following "18. Llewelyn, who married Joan".
Llewelyn is a very common Welsh name and this Llewelyn is nothing to do with either
Llewelyn the Great or his grandson, Llewelyn the Last, who were both of Kings of
Gwynedd. Owain Glyndwr had two sisters. I have no record of a brother named Rhys which,
again, is a very common Welsh name. Glyndwr was certainly the heir of the Princes of
Powys Fadog (named after Madog ap Gryffydd) and, through his mother, was 6th great
grandson of the Lord Rhys. A connection with Rhys Goch seems unlikely.

David Ford, Binfield, Berkshire, UK
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