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ANC-93-118 APCCIRN-041 1993.12.13 Taeha Park Subject: APCCIRN/APEPG Meeting Minutes (1993.12.10-11, Taipei) ___________________________________________________________________________ 0. Overview APCCIRN Chair, Kilnam Chon opened the meeting with the introduction of the participants and review of the agenda [apccirn-036]. Minutes of San Francisco APCCIRN meeting [apccirn-035], CCIRN meeting [apccirn-038], and IEPG Meeting[apccirn-040] were reviewed. Most agenda items were discussed in December 10 and concluded in December 11. This minutes is recorded by work items. 1. APNIC David Conrad reported APNIC midterm status [apnic-006]. A working definition for "Asia-Pacific" was discussed, and we agreed on the following. The eastern boundary of AP is obvious, and the western boundary of AP is Central Asia and Middle East. We agreed that the countries in RINSCA of UNESCO/IIP Program are included in AP. If a country in the AP region wants to change her membership between Asia-Pacific and Europe by some reason, she can choose to do so. The project team proposed that the APNIC pilot project will be done as a distributed operation, separating its major functions into registration/directory/database services and information services [apnic-007]. The motivation for this separation is two-fold: to alleviate funding problem and promote collaboration of the NIC community in the AP region. In June 1994, it is expected that the APNIC pilot project will generate "criteria document" on the working experience of regional NIC's distributed operation, describing how the task can be separated and how the interface of subfunctions can be defined. Information services will try to organize general information by providing "national entry point" for various information servers as well as traditional information service like resource guide, network map, statistics, etc. [Action Item] APCCIRN agreed that APNIC pilot project team proceed with distributed operations, and delegate 202 and 203 class C blocks from InterNIC for the "superblock" allocation for CIDR'ization. 2. Internationalization/Localization The following presentations were given: Chinese (C.L. Chen) Japanese (M. Ohta and N. Shigechika) Korean (U.H. Choi) Thai (Paper Presentation) The mail encoding in PC-LAN differ from the Internet encoding scheme. PC software vendors such as Microsoft, Lotus, Borland, and Novell need to be invited to discuss mail exchanges between PC networks and the Internet in local language. The meeting may be held at Interop Tokyo in July 1994 and/or at IETF in March 1994. [Action Item] This group will generate an survey/report as a FYI/RFC document for specific cases in AP region as well as developing softwares. CAREN will cooperate with the group. 3. Commercial/General Service Providers Following presentations were given: HK Supernet (Hong Kong) by B. Coggeshall ATT Jens (Japan) by T. Matsumoto IIJ (Japan) by T. Asaba Sprint (USA) by J. Sergio ANS (USA) by G. Almes' paper submission (APCCIRN-039) The question given is what shall APCCIRN coordinate for commercial service providers. Bob Coggeshall pointed out that simply providing information on what's going on in the AP region is important. APCCIRN is needed as a meeting point in this area. [Action Item] (1) APCCIRN continues to include commercial service providers as its members. The role of APCCIRN is coordination and providing information. (2) In 1994, by survey of service providers and government regulations, a working model for AP region will be proposed. This model can be used as a recommendation to governments in the AP region. (3) B. Coggeshall was elected as a coordinator of this group. 4. GIX and Link Coordination NSF will not permit transit traffic over NSFNET from the spring of 1994. Some coordination is necessary between Asia-Pacific and other continents, in particular Europe. Two approaches are possible - direct link to Europe and connection to the GIX. GIX is basically for North America and Europe. Another GIX somewhere in the Pacific needs to be discussed. Currently there are three or more links to Europe: (1) RWCnet: currently this is regarded as a private network (2) KREONet-EC: first public link to Europe. In 1994, this link will allow Korea-EC traffic only for technical reasons. The link might be used for Asia-EC connection after the test period. (3) SINET/NACSIS: will pay for a T1 link between east and west coast in the US in addition to the T1/E1 link to USA next spring. Additionally, NACSIS has the link to UK for library access. (4) India(TIFS-CERN) and China have links to Europe but these are private links. [Action Item] Proposal of SIGLINK on link coordination was proposed and accepted. The purpose of this group is to find efficient designs for AP international connections. Jun Murai will coordinate this group. APEPG members are encouraged to participate to the group. Tasks of this group include (1) work as a part of Distributed GIX group (2) work with NAP solutions (3) study on CIX related issues (4) work with common carriers: - cable and satellite plan - cost structure for AP countries A draft proposal on "guideline for connection plan for AP countries" will be generated by June 1994. This group will continue to work in in both ways - NAP solution and Distributed GIX. As for Distributed GIX, Guam can be one solution. From Pacific countries, connection to Hawaii is 30% cheaper than to US west coast. AP community need to communicate each other and send a representative to IEPG. 5. Developing Countries D. Narayan will join ap-develop and coordinate on Developing Countries(SIGDEV). The purpose of SIGDEV is to coordinate efforts in assisting developing countries for establishing connectivity. Missions include - collect information on technical and financial resources that are available for network development - provide a clearing house for above information - develop a strategic plan for providing technical assistance to developer's countries 6. Country/Network/Project Reports Brief status report of the following were given. Missing information will be included in the country file. TANET (Cheng Kiang Farn) TANET upgraded its link to JvNCnet to 256Kbps in December 1992. SEEDNET (Chein-Lin Chen) SEEDNET is connected to TANET via ethernet, but packets are filtered, enabling email be exchanged outside world only. SINET (Shoichiro Asano) SINET has a plan to upgrade its international link to T1/E1 after April 1994. SINET will pay for T1 between the East and West coasts of the US. Non-commercial traffic in the AP region will be allowed to go through this line. SINET may have a connection to Mongolia in future. JPNIC (Masaya Nakayama) JPNIC has a plan to start geographic domain names. WIDE (Suguru Yamaguchi) WIDE is deploying OSPF2 for its backbone routing. Future efforts will will be focused on IPng, IETF related experiments, mobile computing, interoperability design with non internet protocols, and very high speed networking. CAREN (Devendra Narayan) The Consortium of Asian Research and Educational Networks held its third annual meeting in Taipei on the 9th. Dec. 1993. The link between Seoul National University in Korea and the Science University of Tokyo in Japan, has been upgraded to a 56 Kbps tcp/ip link from Dec. 1st. 1993. Furthermore, a 56 Kbps tcp/ip link is planned between the Beijing Institute of Chemical Technology, China and the Science University of Tokyo in Japan. This link is likely to be in operation by July, 1994. All the CAREN members (Japan, Korea and Taiwan) agreed on the following long-term goals for CAREN : (1) Promote research and educational networking within the Asian countries. CAREN will try to provide technical and logistic assistance to countries trying to set up new academic networks. (2) Co-ordinate efforts in localization of networking tools and other software and act as a clearing-house for information from this region. (3) CAREN would like to co-operate with APCCIRN so that unnecessary duplicity of efforts can be avoided. (4) CAREN will encourage and promote intra-Asian network links and also promote future collaboration with European networking organizations. Korea (Kilnam Chon) Korea had a successful conference, KRNET in July 1993. The national program for high-speed networking is being planned for implementation starting in 1994. IBM Japan (Takayasu Matsuzaki) IBM Network Services Asia Pacific Headquarter will have a business partnership with Advantis (headquarter in Tampa, Florida). The services will start next year, including EDI and X.25 services in AP region. PACCOM(H. Ishida, D. Conrad) TISN and New Zealand are upgrading links. PNC (Kilnam Chon) PNC had its first meeting in Honolulu in Jan. 1993, and will have the second meeting in Hong Kong in 1994.1.17-18. 7. Organizational Issues (coordinator: K. Chon) - Reorganization Plan The current "APCCIRN/APEPG" is holding many roles for the AP region. It interfaces with CCIRN, IEPG, NIC, ISOC, and the commercial world. Funding in the range of 0.25 million and 0.5 million is necessary for APCCIRN/ APEPG activities including supports for APNIC developing countries, and APCCIRN/APEPG Secretariat. [Action Item] APCCIRN will proceed for reorganization targeted for the summer 1994. Membership charge will be done by countries but also by service providers as appropriate. New names are discussed. Candidates like APNCC, APCEN, APSIN, APNB, CIAP, and ICAP were proposed. Naming will be discussed at the next meeting time. 8. Asia-Europe Coordination There are many issues to be discussed between Asia and Europe, and we never had any bi-lateral discussion between them. The following meeting was proposed. [Action Item] The joint meeting between Asia-Pacific and Europe with a small number of people (3-5 persons from each community) during INET94 in Prague was proposed with the meeting agenda including the following issues. (1) Asia-EC direct link (2) distributed GIX (3) internationalization of the Internet 9. Related Meetings INET'95 may be held in Singapore in June. IETF of March 1995 will be held in Japan. This IETF meeting is the first one to be held in Asia-Pacific, and active participation in the AP region is expected. APCCIRN/APEPG welcomes IETF to be held in Asia Pacific, and APCCIRN/ APEPG recommends that IETF to be held in Japan, being organized by Jun Murai. 10. NetWorld+Interop94 Tokyo (1994.7.25-29) - Overview Toru Takahashi presented an overview of Interop Tokyo. This is a first interoperability event in Asia, and will include tutorials, conferences, and exhibitions. Interopnet will be operated as a shownet. - Invitation Program Invitation from AP countries will be done, primarily for persons from non-profit organizations. About 10-20 persons will be invited. Kilnam Chon proposed to support one person from each AP country since the experience at Interop will be helpful for promotion of networking in the AP countries. Please apply for the invitation by March 1994. Two classes of support are possible: registration exemption and further subsidiary. People from NICS will get registration exemption. Further subsidiary might be needed for developing countries. - Volunteer Program This program is for running the big shownet. Housing, meal, air fare will be provided to the volunteers. Labor fee will not be paid. 35 persons are necessary in total, and 5-10 volunteers will be from Asia-Pacific. The application for the volunteer program should be done by Feb. 1994. - Session There's a session of "Developing the Internet in Asia" chaired by Kilnam Chon. Possible subjects are APNIC, low cost connectivity options, local language support, link coordination/operation and so on. 11. Areas of work Areas of Work[apccirn-027] is modified to reflect the discussion during the meeting. See Appendix 3 for the revision. 12. Next Meeting Next APCCIRN meeting will be held in 1994.6.17-18, right after the INET'94 in Prague. =============================================================================== Appendix 1: Participant List Hong Kong B. Coggeshall (HK Supernet) V. Shen (HKUST) Japan H. Ishida (JCRN) J. Murai (WIDE) S. Yamaguchi (WIDE) M. Hirabaru (JPNIC) M. Nakayama (JPNIC) S. Goto (JPNIC) T. Takahashi (Interop Japan) S. Asano (NACSIS) A. Aizawa (NACSIS) W. Zhao (NACSIS) M. Ohta (Titech) T. Matsumoto (ATT Jens) J. Matsukata (SINET) M. Takayasu (IBM Japan) T. Asaba (IIJ) D. Conrad (IIJ) D. Narayan (CAREN) M. Mori (JOIN) N. Shigechika (WIDE) Korea K. Chon (ANC) K.S. Yoon (SERI) U.H. Choi (KRNIC) T.H. Park (KRNIC) H.Y. Yeom (SNU) Taiwan L.M. Tseng NCU (National Central University) C.K. Farn NCU (National Central University) H.C. Chen CCU (National Chung-Cheng University) D.T. Liu NCTU (National Chiao-Tung University) Y.C. Chen Data Communicatons Institute MOTC S.Y. Chen Data Communicatons Institute MOTC F.K. Chung Data Communicatons Institute MOTC W.C. Chang III (Institute for Information Industry) C.L. Chen III (Institute for Information Industry) P.H. Liu III (Institute for Information Industry) K.C. Hsu III (Institute for Information Industry) F. Chien Vanguard Information Group T.K. Chan ITRI (Industrial Technology Research Institute) Bao-Shuh Lin ITRI (Industrial Technology Research Institute) W.S. Chen MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center) J.H. Liu MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center) C.H. Yin MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center) USA J. Savageau (Sprint) Appendix 2: Documents Distributed at Taipei Meeting NEWWORLD+INTEROP94 Tokyo (Brochure) AT&T Jens (TP, Brochure) Hong Kong SuperNet (TP, Brochure) TANet (Brochure) R.D. Collet, SprintLink - Internet International Connections Management Current Status and 1994 Plans (TP) M. Ohta, ISO-2022-JP-2: Multilingual Extension of ISO-2022-JP, Nov.1993. C.L. Chen, SEEDNET and Chinese Localization (TP) Appendix 3: Revised Area of Work(APCCIRN-027) 1. Organization Issues(apccirn-all@nic.nm.kr) K. Chon(Coordinator) 2. Network Information Center(apnic-all@apnic.net) APNIC Staffs 3. Internationalization/Localization(ap-i18n@nic.nm.kr) M. Ohta(Coordinator) 4. Link Coordination(ap-link@nic.nm.kr) J. Murai(coordinator) 5. Developing Countries(ap-develop@caren.net) D. Narayan(Coordinator) 6. Commercial/General Service Providers(ap-commercial@nic.nm.kr) B. Coggeshall(Coordinator)