ANC-93-118

								ANC-93-118
                                                                APCCIRN-041
								1993.12.13
								Taeha Park
Subject: APCCIRN/APEPG Meeting Minutes (1993.12.10-11, Taipei) 
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0. Overview

APCCIRN Chair, Kilnam Chon opened the meeting with the introduction
of the participants and review of the agenda [apccirn-036]. Minutes of
San Francisco APCCIRN meeting [apccirn-035], CCIRN meeting [apccirn-038], and
IEPG Meeting[apccirn-040] were reviewed. 
Most agenda items were discussed in December 10 and concluded in December 11. 
This minutes is recorded by work items.

1. APNIC 

David Conrad reported APNIC midterm status [apnic-006].

A working definition for "Asia-Pacific" was discussed, and we agreed on the
following.  The eastern boundary of AP is obvious, and the western boundary of
AP is Central Asia and Middle East.  We agreed that the countries in RINSCA of
UNESCO/IIP Program are included in AP.  If a country in the AP region wants to
change her membership between Asia-Pacific and Europe by some reason, she can
choose to do so.  

The project team proposed that the APNIC pilot project will be done as a 
distributed operation, separating its major functions into 
registration/directory/database services and information services [apnic-007]. 
The motivation for this separation is two-fold: to alleviate funding problem 
and promote collaboration of the NIC community in the AP region. 
In June 1994, it is expected that the APNIC pilot project will generate 
"criteria document" on the working experience of regional NIC's distributed 
operation, describing how the task can be separated and how the interface 
of subfunctions can be defined.

Information services will try to organize general information by providing 
"national entry point" for various information servers as well as traditional
information service like resource guide, network map, statistics, etc.

[Action Item]
	APCCIRN agreed that APNIC pilot project team proceed with distributed 
	operations, and delegate 202 and 203 class C blocks from InterNIC for
	the "superblock" allocation for CIDR'ization. 

2. Internationalization/Localization 

The following presentations were given:
	Chinese		(C.L. Chen)
	Japanese	(M. Ohta and N. Shigechika)
	Korean		(U.H. Choi)
	Thai		(Paper Presentation)
The mail encoding in PC-LAN differ from the Internet encoding scheme.  
PC software vendors such as Microsoft, Lotus, Borland, and Novell need to be
invited to discuss mail exchanges between PC networks and the Internet in
local language. The meeting may be held at Interop Tokyo in July 1994 and/or 
at IETF in March 1994.

[Action Item]
	This group will generate an survey/report as a FYI/RFC document for 
	specific cases in AP region as well as developing softwares. 
	CAREN will cooperate with the group.

3. Commercial/General Service Providers

Following presentations were given:
	HK Supernet (Hong Kong)	by B. Coggeshall
	ATT Jens (Japan) 	by T. Matsumoto
	IIJ (Japan) 		by T. Asaba
	Sprint (USA) 		by J. Sergio
	ANS (USA) 		by G. Almes' paper submission (APCCIRN-039)
		
The question given is what shall APCCIRN coordinate for commercial service 
providers. Bob Coggeshall pointed out that simply providing information on 
what's going on in the AP region is important. APCCIRN is needed as a meeting 
point in this area. 


[Action Item] 
	(1) APCCIRN continues to include commercial service providers as its
	    members.
	    The role of APCCIRN is coordination and providing information.
	(2) In 1994, by survey of service providers and government regulations,
	    a working model for AP region will be proposed. This model can be 
	    used as a recommendation to governments in the AP region.
	(3) B. Coggeshall was elected as a coordinator of this group.

4. GIX and Link Coordination 

NSF will not permit transit traffic over NSFNET from the spring of 1994. Some
coordination is necessary between Asia-Pacific and other continents, in 
particular Europe. Two approaches are possible - direct link to
Europe and connection to the GIX. GIX is basically for North America and 
Europe. Another GIX somewhere in the Pacific needs to be discussed. 

Currently there are three or more links to Europe:
	(1) RWCnet: currently this is regarded as a private network
	(2) KREONet-EC: first public link to Europe.
		In 1994, this link will allow Korea-EC traffic only for 
		technical reasons. The link might be used for Asia-EC 
		connection after the test period.
	(3) SINET/NACSIS: will pay for a T1 link between east and west coast 
		in the US in addition to the T1/E1 link to USA next spring.
	        Additionally, NACSIS has the link to UK for library access.
	(4) India(TIFS-CERN) and China have links to Europe but these are 
		private links.

[Action Item]
   Proposal of SIGLINK on link coordination was proposed and accepted.
The purpose of this group is to find efficient designs for AP international 
connections. Jun Murai will coordinate this group. APEPG members are 
encouraged to participate to the group.  Tasks of this group include
	
	(1) work as a part of Distributed GIX group
	(2) work with NAP solutions
	(3) study on CIX related issues
	(4) work with common carriers:
		- cable and satellite plan
		- cost structure for AP countries

A draft proposal on "guideline for connection plan for AP countries" will be 
generated by June 1994.

This group will continue to work in in both ways - NAP solution and 
Distributed GIX.  As for Distributed GIX, Guam can be one solution. 
From Pacific countries, connection to Hawaii is 30% cheaper than to US west 
coast. AP community need to communicate each other and send a representative 
to IEPG.

5. Developing Countries

D. Narayan will join ap-develop and coordinate on Developing Countries(SIGDEV). 
The purpose of SIGDEV is to coordinate efforts in assisting developing 
countries for establishing connectivity. Missions include
	- collect information on technical and financial resources that are
	  available for network development
	- provide a clearing house for above information
	- develop a strategic plan for providing technical assistance to
	  developer's countries

6. Country/Network/Project Reports

Brief status report of the following were given. Missing information will be
included in the country file.

TANET (Cheng Kiang Farn)
	TANET upgraded its link to JvNCnet to 256Kbps in December 1992.
SEEDNET (Chein-Lin Chen)
	SEEDNET is connected to TANET via ethernet, but packets are filtered,
	enabling email be exchanged outside world only.
SINET (Shoichiro Asano)
	SINET has a plan to upgrade its international link to 
	T1/E1 after April 1994. SINET will pay for T1 between the East and West
 	coasts 
	of the US. Non-commercial traffic in the AP region
	will be allowed to go through this line. SINET may have a connection
	to Mongolia in future.
JPNIC (Masaya Nakayama)
	JPNIC has a plan to start geographic domain names.
WIDE (Suguru Yamaguchi)
	WIDE is deploying OSPF2 for its backbone routing. Future efforts will
	will be focused on IPng, IETF related experiments, mobile computing,
	interoperability design with non internet protocols, and very high
	speed networking.	
CAREN (Devendra Narayan)
        The Consortium of Asian Research and Educational Networks held
	its third annual meeting in Taipei on the 9th. Dec. 1993. The link
	between Seoul National University in Korea and the Science University
	of Tokyo in Japan, has been upgraded to a 56 Kbps tcp/ip link from
	Dec. 1st. 1993. Furthermore, a 56 Kbps tcp/ip link is planned between
	the Beijing Institute of Chemical Technology, China and the Science 
	University of Tokyo in Japan. This link is likely to be in operation 
	by July, 1994. All the CAREN members (Japan, Korea and Taiwan) agreed 
	on the following long-term goals for CAREN :

	(1) Promote research and educational networking within the Asian
            countries. CAREN will try to provide technical and logistic 
            assistance to countries trying to set up new academic networks.

	(2) Co-ordinate efforts in localization of networking tools and
            other software and act as a clearing-house for information
            from this region. 

	(3) CAREN would like to co-operate with APCCIRN so that unnecessary
            duplicity of efforts can be avoided.

	(4) CAREN will encourage and promote intra-Asian network links and also
	    promote future collaboration with European networking organizations.

Korea (Kilnam Chon)
	Korea had a successful conference, KRNET in July 1993.  The national
	program for high-speed networking is being planned for implementation 
	starting in 1994.

IBM Japan (Takayasu Matsuzaki)
	IBM Network Services Asia Pacific Headquarter will have a business
	partnership with Advantis (headquarter in Tampa, Florida).
        The services will start next year, including EDI and X.25 services 
        in AP region.

PACCOM(H. Ishida, D. Conrad)
	TISN and New Zealand are upgrading links.

PNC (Kilnam Chon)
	PNC had its first meeting in Honolulu in Jan. 1993, and will have the 
	second meeting in Hong Kong in 1994.1.17-18.

7. Organizational Issues (coordinator: K. Chon)

- Reorganization Plan
The current "APCCIRN/APEPG" is holding many roles for the AP region. 
It interfaces with CCIRN, IEPG, NIC, ISOC, and the commercial world.
Funding in the range of 0.25 million and 0.5 million is necessary for APCCIRN/
APEPG activities including supports for APNIC 
developing countries, and APCCIRN/APEPG Secretariat. 

[Action Item]
	APCCIRN will proceed for reorganization targeted for the summer 1994.
 	Membership charge will be done by countries but also by service 
	providers as appropriate.

	New names are discussed.  Candidates like APNCC, APCEN, APSIN, APNB, 
	CIAP, and ICAP were proposed.
	Naming will be discussed at the next meeting time.

8. Asia-Europe Coordination

There are many issues to be discussed between Asia and Europe, and we never
had any bi-lateral discussion between them.  The following meeting was proposed.

[Action Item] 
The joint meeting between Asia-Pacific and Europe with a small number of people
(3-5 persons from each community) during INET94 in Prague was proposed with
the meeting agenda including the following issues. 
	
	(1) Asia-EC direct link
	(2) distributed GIX
	(3) internationalization of the Internet

9. Related Meetings

INET'95 may be held in Singapore in June.

IETF of March 1995 will be held in Japan. This IETF meeting is the first one to
be held in Asia-Pacific,  and active participation in the AP region is 
expected. APCCIRN/APEPG welcomes IETF to be held in Asia Pacific, and APCCIRN/
APEPG recommends that IETF to be held in Japan, being organized by Jun Murai.

10. NetWorld+Interop94 Tokyo (1994.7.25-29)	

- Overview
Toru Takahashi presented an overview of Interop Tokyo. This is a first
interoperability event in Asia, and will include tutorials, conferences,
and exhibitions.  Interopnet will be operated as a shownet.

- Invitation Program
Invitation from AP countries will be done, primarily for persons from
non-profit organizations. About 10-20 persons will be invited.
Kilnam Chon proposed to support one person from each AP country since
the experience at Interop will be helpful for promotion of networking in the
AP countries.  Please apply for the invitation by March 1994.
Two classes of support are possible: registration exemption and further
subsidiary. People from NICS will get registration exemption.
Further subsidiary might be needed for developing countries. 

- Volunteer Program
This program is for running the big shownet. Housing, meal, air fare will
be provided to the volunteers. Labor fee will not be paid. 35 persons
are necessary in total, and 5-10 volunteers will be from Asia-Pacific. 
The application for the volunteer program should be done by Feb. 1994.

- Session
There's a session of "Developing the Internet in Asia" chaired by Kilnam Chon.
Possible subjects are APNIC, low cost connectivity options, local language
support, link coordination/operation and so on.

11. Areas of work

Areas of Work[apccirn-027] is modified to reflect the discussion during the
meeting.  See Appendix 3 for the revision.

12. Next Meeting

Next APCCIRN meeting will be held in 1994.6.17-18, right after the
INET'94 in Prague.

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Appendix 1: Participant List 

Hong Kong	B. Coggeshall	(HK Supernet) 
		V. Shen		(HKUST)
Japan		H. Ishida	(JCRN)
		J. Murai	(WIDE)
		S. Yamaguchi	(WIDE)
		M. Hirabaru	(JPNIC)
		M. Nakayama	(JPNIC)
		S. Goto		(JPNIC)
		T. Takahashi	(Interop Japan)
		S. Asano	(NACSIS)
		A. Aizawa	(NACSIS)
		W. Zhao		(NACSIS)
		M. Ohta		(Titech)
		T. Matsumoto 	(ATT Jens)
		J. Matsukata	(SINET)
		M. Takayasu	(IBM Japan)
		T. Asaba	(IIJ)
		D. Conrad	(IIJ)
		D. Narayan	(CAREN)
		M. Mori		(JOIN)
		N. Shigechika	(WIDE)
Korea		K. Chon		(ANC)
		K.S. Yoon	(SERI)
		U.H. Choi	(KRNIC)
		T.H. Park	(KRNIC)
		H.Y. Yeom	(SNU)
Taiwan		L.M. Tseng    	NCU (National Central University)        
		C.K. Farn      	NCU (National Central University)        
		H.C. Chen     	CCU (National Chung-Cheng University)    
		D.T. Liu      	NCTU (National Chiao-Tung University)    
		Y.C. Chen     	Data Communicatons Institute MOTC       
		S.Y. Chen     	Data Communicatons Institute MOTC       
		F.K. Chung    	Data Communicatons Institute MOTC       
		W.C. Chang    	III (Institute for Information Industry) 
		C.L. Chen     	III (Institute for Information Industry) 
		P.H. Liu      	III (Institute for Information Industry)
		K.C. Hsu      	III (Institute for Information Industry)
		F. Chien      	Vanguard Information Group              
		T.K. Chan     	ITRI (Industrial Technology Research Institute)
		Bao-Shuh Lin  	ITRI (Industrial Technology Research Institute)
		W.S. Chen     	MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center) 
		J.H. Liu      	MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center)
		C.H. Yin      	MOE (Ministry of Education Computer Center)
USA		J. Savageau	(Sprint)

Appendix 2: Documents Distributed at Taipei Meeting

	NEWWORLD+INTEROP94 Tokyo (Brochure)
	AT&T Jens (TP, Brochure)
	Hong Kong SuperNet (TP, Brochure)
	TANet (Brochure)
	R.D. Collet, SprintLink - Internet International Connections Management
		Current Status and 1994 Plans (TP)
	M. Ohta, ISO-2022-JP-2: Multilingual Extension of ISO-2022-JP, Nov.1993.
	C.L. Chen, SEEDNET and Chinese Localization (TP)

Appendix 3: Revised Area of Work(APCCIRN-027)

1. Organization Issues(apccirn-all@nic.nm.kr)

	K. Chon(Coordinator)

2. Network Information Center(apnic-all@apnic.net)

	APNIC Staffs

3. Internationalization/Localization(ap-i18n@nic.nm.kr)

	M. Ohta(Coordinator)

4. Link Coordination(ap-link@nic.nm.kr)

	J. Murai(coordinator)

5. Developing Countries(ap-develop@caren.net)

	D. Narayan(Coordinator)

6. Commercial/General Service Providers(ap-commercial@nic.nm.kr)

	B. Coggeshall(Coordinator)
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