Energies libres / "Free energies"

Depuis pas mal d'années, pas mal de monde s'est intéressé à la possibilité de produire de l'énergie "propre", "gratuite" et de préférence chez soi.

On trouve aussi des sites et des vidéos plus ou moins "ésotériques" qui disent se démarquer présenter un système révolutionnaire face en quelque sorte à un "complot" des sociétés et États visant à garder le contrôle sur les énergies distribuées par ces derniers, et qui représentent des sources de revenus quasi-incommensurables :

- Il faut environ 8 barils de pétrole pour obtenir 1 tonne de pétrole.
- La consommation annuelle d'énergie primaire dans le monde est de 10 000 Mtep, soit dix mille millions de tonnes.
- Un baril de brut coût ~60€.
- 8 * 10^10 * 60 =~ 5 10^12 €, 5 mille milliards d'euros ...

Pourtant "l'énergie libre" existe bel et bien depuis longtemps, depuis que l'on a construit des moulins à vent, par exemple. L'énergie solaire reçue au niveau du sol par la planète, est déjà de l'ordre de grandeur de ce niveau de besoin énergétique, sauf que l'on ne peut pas couvrir tous les océans et toutes les terres avec des panneaux solaires.

Le problème c'est qu'il ne suffit pas que la source primaire d'énergie soit écologique, mais qu'elle ne coûte pas non plus ni trop chère à mettre en œuvre (coût de fabrications/construction) ni trop chère à exploiter.

Dans la page "Nikola TESLA / "L'énergie libre" / Attention !" vous trouverez un exemple typique de démonstration du peu de scrupule ou de compétence des créateurs de vidéos ou de sites qui se veulent "dissidents" par rapport aux connaissances et point de vues acceptées par la majorité de la communauté scientifique.

Cela dit, loin de moi de dénier à possibilité que même un "amateur" puisse avoir de très bonne idées.

Un cas peu connu fut celui qui permit en fait d'asseoir pendant longtemps la domination économique et militaire de l'Angleterre sur le monde.

Il fallait que les navires britanniques puissent se repérer partout sur le globe avec un maximum de précision. Or, le moyen de connaître sa position, grâce aux position des astres surtout, demandait aussi d'avoir des horloges qui indique précisément et invariablement le temps. le problème était que justement celles-ci se déréglaient et du coup, il pouvait être très aventureux de faire de trop long voyages éloigné des côtes.

La reine offrit donc une récompense très importante à qui trouverait la solution pour résoudre ce problème.

C'était l'époque où Newton présidait l'Académie des Sciences de non pays. Mais malgré l’importante récompense et le défit intellectuel, aucun savant de l'époque, pourtant créateur et versé dans les calculs compliqués et la logique, n'y parvinrent pas, et c'est le génie d'un simple horloger combiné à l'humilité de Newton lui-même, qui permit à son astuce et invention (une structure double-inversée permettant d'annuler les effet de dilatation des matériaux utilisés) d'être reconnue puis acceptée par la communauté de savant s de l'époque et de recevoir son prix.

Mais comme le dit le poste suivant en anglais : "... comment quelqu'un qui semble très bien comprendre le problème, n'est pas capable de nous montrer un système fonctionnel ... ".

Mais de toute façon, une vidéo ne prouve rien, comme vous devez le savoir et on a vite fait de perdre son temps.

De toute façon, si nous voulons des énergies utilisable autres qu'actuellement :

- l'éolien,
- le solaire,
- la géothermie,
- la thermodynamique (les pompes à chaleur, ou PAC),
- la biomasse,

Il faudra que se soit des énergies :

- écologiques
- renouvelables
- productibles localement,
- sans coûts excessifs de fabrication, d'installation ou d'exploitation,
- discrètes et/ou esthétiques,
- pas trop bruyantes ou même silencieuses,
- qu'elles soient plus efficaces et/ou régulières que celles déjà utilisées.

Mais c'est à souhaiter, si ne voulons laisser une planète à nos enfants qui soit vivable et viable.

Cdt.

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Citation dans Y-tube :

"I don't understand how someone who looks to very well understand the problem, is not able to show us a functioning device ... Otherwise, "free energy" do exists:  winds, sea, sun, are examples well known! lol How could be blind to not see that! lol The problem if "free energy" is possible or not, but to have one enough powerful, safe, ecological, that can be located in any house or near, not ugly, and cheep enough to produce. but careful even with videos showing systems, they prove nothing :/"

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December 24th, 2011 at 7:44 am · Reply

Hi, I’m trained electrician and I’ve training too genie climatic and have made personal researches on Tesla work and Free Energy.

I would like first to thank the web site for advertising on what they consider as scamming.

About the possibility of a FE, I try to explain around that such systems are in fact very commons! Yes, indeed! Don’t you know about “heat pump”, or just solar panels, wind turbines? they are all FE systems!!

The general condition for FE is to get an output greater than the input, that all!

It is what happen in the three examples I’ve just listed.

But the truth is there no “magic” in them! It just that we “pump” in a large source of energy, and that pumping costs less in a kind of energy than the energy provides at the output; and in the case of wind turbines or solar panels, we have even no energy at all in input, cause we have no input at all (I mean no “external input” that we would need to pay for, like grid electricity).

Other FE system which does work since a while: tidal power plants, sea waves plants (in north of Europe), or systems very few known but recognized since very long “Cox’s timepiece is a clock developed in the 1760s by James Cox”.

About the Howard JOHNSON magnetic motor, I’ve studied some of the materials of the United States Patent…

For me, really hard to say if it really works or not. But it has nothing to have with the claims about the “Hojo motor”, that’s very looks pure scamming.

BUT, at the opposite of the patent attorney friend Chris refers to, the claims of one of the patents of Howard JOHNSON, talks about “acceleration”. If so, as there is no “input” claimed in the system (else than the permanent magnets), the system would be indeed an overunity system (that we are interested in in FE).

All the problem is to know if it has worked really as claimed, and yes: a patent DO NOT PROVE ANYTHING on the efficiency of the system, or its workability, or would need to contain effective measurements and results, especially the ratio output/input of the system, certified checked by the authorities.

So, sorry if I’m long on post, but as the scams are done on thin details most of the time, need to develop and precise a few :/


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One thing that has me puzzled is, why are people still using the AC ground connection, that goes to through the whole AC ground wiring system????? Isn't that cheating oneself. Or is that because that has been the only way they can get any light out of an led. It's hard to believe that that is not going to have an affect the output.
Hi NickZ!

For my viewpoint, it's quiet normal to use a ground connection in such systems as they are built at first on Tesla theories which used the dipoles atmosphere/ground as an limited capacitor.

The mix of capacitors and coils produces harmonics resonances that boost voltage in certain frequencies.

I conjecture that any of these systems use these boost like a pump for the free energy contain in the environment, like we well know how to do with heat pumps.

Resonator-circuits, especially if running on impeded frequencies, are the equivalent of the compressor for the heat-pumps. And the EM-energy effective or potential (like it could be in the aether) like the entropic energy of the environment (heating of the air when > 0 K°).

But anyway, from a point of the space to an other, the electrical and magnetic potential of the EM field can change dramatically, like around the Tesla coils, so that we can create potential differences, so tension, so voltage and power if related to alternate changes.

The specific I think of the 3 coils system, it's like the compressor would have 3 pistons and work like a 3 phases generator, but you probably knew this

I wish I could have help you to clear-up a few this point.

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Thanks ! and thanks for posting
I wonder, do you know if the size of the circuit makes a large difference to the functionality ?
This replication of mine seems to be a lot smaller than the original and, i'd probably want to go smaller again at some point.
Been wondering about interactions between the coils and how they may amplify each other at the right frequency. Smaller and such a frequency may lose that wonderful animation type of effect of the photon, larger and the interactions won't happen.
Hence the thought and possible reasoning for some values on Dr. Stiffler's original.
Also, thoughts turn to the L1, L2 and L3 sitting in a line or at 90 degrees to each other. I read about the L3 sitting at 90 degrees to the L2, but I haven't found research into field effects of all 3 and frequencies of all 3.
Surely it does change but not in equal order of magnitude, would be only the self-resonance frequency of each coil. But of course, each coil produces magnetic and electric fields, even very tiny and can only interact on each other because it has no limit for in term of distance.

Yes, little diameters coils not react the same than big ones, would be again only for the self-resonance frequency, inductance and impedance too changes, and many other factors.

An other phenomena that you all come near and near, it's the antenna one:

You've spoken very accurately about single linear wires and tuning of them in terms of length, and it's compare to the quarter of the length waves we want to work on, and the basic principle of the linear antenna is that straight wire AND an coil! ... with a capacitor to tune.

A very-very big "detail" I would like to catch your attention on, it is there is an exact similarity with Yaggi antenna, indeed.

In this device, we use aluminium bars to create harmonics and concentrate the specifics waves we want. Especially, the dipole is not connected with the other bars. But these one are placed in such distance that it will create a concentration of the waves in the very place of the dipole-bar, which is between the tow others bars (the director at front, and the reflector at back), BUT not in the middle! Very like in the Dr. Stiffler' s 3 coils asymmetric ledmotor replication system! I would be even curious to replace one coil by peace/pipes/bar of metal, just too see it could still work a few.

So, I think it could be valuable to see if by calculation, based on the Yaggi antenna, we could found back the distance we find by experimentation, and then extrapolate ideas to improve the whole system in taking part of any interacting phenomena; like multiplying the coils like in an directive Yaggi antenna, and/or multiplying the phases created.

That's my present point of view.

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I had well understood in your further post how you are care about to clean the signal to make better evaluations, but in the post I've cote, you were not yet at this point; as i could have seen.

Anyway, You can turn off the power of the house, you will have still "the fourth wire" as the ground of the main power of the grid, or need to turn off all the 15kV transformations of your area! :/

But of me, the point could be that the ground, yes, not the "fourth wire", can, and have to be used could be, to maximise the capacitive property it has with atmosphere.

In any actual workable overunity sold system and manufactured by industry, it has always a main source of energy and power. It could be, yes aether, it could be EM radiations of RF, it could be capacitor behaviour ground/atmosphere, but for me, the best is to use all the sources.

But yes, for searches, good to be able to isolate each factor and to control them independently, hence to all add them then. Don't you think so?



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I didn't know if You show this in other videos, but here we don't know if this a power supply or not (we don't see all the connections and departure and arrivals of wires).

Most of these system, except the 3 coils only Dr Stiffler SEC, are just simple modulators which are known since long to permit to plug hight voltage devices with only low voltage entry.

What near always miss is a precise measurement of the remain input energy battery input.

Could you provide precisions about supply please?


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I agree with you about using what is normally all around us.
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The very point, that noone would wish to have a device put in a Faraday cage within a vacuum chamber and all the rest, if they want to power a television and watch it !
For sure not! but for us, it should be done with Faraday cage at least! if we want to know if we touch the EM-source, right?

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Noone is going to care where a device gets its energy, but we must care, we must know where the energies come from.
Yes, indeed!

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When identified, both in frequency and power that can be derived from those sources, then we know what we are working with.
Absolutely yes! If we know the waves length we are dealing with, we can adapt the devices and amplify the phenomenon.

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Also, emitted fields from domestic appliances like TV's and washing machines can have very real effects on the human body. Leakage that is cohered into real usable energy may certainly lessen such problems for all of us.
Trap it, remove it, cohere it, use it.
So, an extension to those thoughts is to use a 'pick-up coil' assembly placed on or within such items and those energies are then directed as the supply source for a SEC system
I do understand your idea, I follow you concerning the catching of the EM energy in a house. But for "the bad consequences for the body", I'm not sure of the any real bad effect of EM radiations on the body if not placing the head in the microwaves oven, or to stick a cellphone on the temple, as teenagers could do! I know short waves radio practitioner since decades, never they complained for anything when they have very powerful antenna up to their house, or even inside. But a "negative Placebo effect", like in presence of fear of the unknown, does exist for sure!

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My wife had a great thought about a presumption people make, that if you use such a system that works similarly (in some broad ways) to a foxhole/crystal radio, that you take power away from someone else who wants to listen to a normal radio nearby.
Rubbish - in her opinion.
As she said - If 4 sunbathers are on a beach, 3 of them don't remain white because the 4th is draining the sun's power away
Well, what does a foxhole/crystal radio? It just takes waves signal of the EM radiations and deliver an power output. It is a true overunity system, as no specific generator in included in the original device.
It has much to do with Tesla's Radiant Energy Receiver!
In this way, I think that we could multiply the power by adding a maximum of of "specialized circuits", each tuned on an short range of frequencies and then to phase them in an unique output, and this what do in a way the 3 coils system, I very presume.
So, why can't we use an antenna for each large band and then many self-resonated circuits tuned for the thinner ranges of frequencies (like we did in TV reception).
I'm not very familiar with electronics practical technology; just I work on the fundamentals to find the general path of any overunity system to extrapolate new or improve existent to distribute them if efficient enough. As I've not too the the time to built and test such systems, me I work on theories, that is very needed too, as I could see. But if someone want to test the ideas...

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it bothers me that more people haven't worked out where the energy is coming from yet.
Hi Inquorate!

I do understand, but there are theories, often badly expressed, like these of Thomas Bearden I think, but any way, he said for himself... and there are serious discussions on hight scientific levels, especially young searchers who ask questions that further dis not ask.

Several theories, or more exactly "philosophies" are fighting against each other.

You have Quantum theories you have "fields theories", "springs theories" (they are several each time), and all a bunch of "exotics" +/- establish ones.

One group I had predict partially predicted before to know that it was already existing, it the strings theories.

They say that basically, all is made of waves, which in general very interest us. But the truth is, even if these assumption is very true for me, these specific "strings" are, for the there main concept, only "mathematical strings", and not represent something in the space that could "vibrate", but a state, like any quality, that could have oscillations in its values.
At the opposite of this sight, you have ones who see near only everything coming form "particles", even if they recognize that an "electron" or an "photon", for example, have both length waves!

My position is that the particles are "local stationary waves", "spherical energy" looped on itself, like a cotton spool; I even conjecture since a while, that gravity is essentially looped energy from.

However, for those who claim for particles, hard to explain anything about "vacuum energy" or "point zero energy", cause for them, it's "point zero", so this is NO energy, of course, because for them in the vacuum, by definition, there is no "particle"!

For those who "believe in" quantum theories, the "vacuum" could be not empty! and the "zero point " ("ZPE") is just a zero energy by the viewpoint of entropy (like heat, "Brownian motion") but that "quantum vacuum" could contain thinner particles and energy forms, but could be differentiated as the waves length and ordinary distance lengths involved are to small for any physical observation, and so only statistic could run these aspects. but in fact, these aspects are further than the precision we can get with the statistics, so I could say that instead of a "vacuum", they should call it "the real Terra incognita" of the space!

More practically, but it's only my present assumption, the energy collected in surunity devices, just come from as Tesla said, from its abundance in the environment.

We make a big deal with "free energies", while as I've said in a former post already here, are quite common! yes, indeed!

Home solar panels, home wind turbines, heat pumps, are just example of such overunity systems.

All what wee need, is that the eventual in-put supply, when it exist, cost less in energy price, that the output, that's all!

Now, in our case of EM devises, I think we deal, with our oscillators, very close to heat pumps: the oscillation work as the piston in the compressor of the heat pump.

What does it pump so? That was the question, right?

When, it can be many things indeed!

It could be in EM ranges: "radio-waves", "electrons waves", "photons" and even so called "virtual photons", according to the theory we refers to.

But what ever it is, for me, I could see that any system functions very closely too the sea-waves generators, or any other physical oscillations generators like the core of an atmospheric clock, or of a kinetic one.

And there is the very specific condition of EM energies, or "ZPE", but still rather close too the heat entropy used in heat pumps, in which we have multidirectional flows, and in addition to this, of many different kinds and ranges of waves length.

One way to get ride of that is to "excite" or filter chosen waves lengths and/or orientations. Wile doing so, the chosen waves could reach a hight level collecting the energy in its environment, would be on the energy of the non-chosen waves (length waves). but it could be assumed, and that is one of my conjectures, that there is indeed an 'pump effect' when we power, boost a specific wave.

My 'pump effect' is absolutely similar at the Venturi effect, or what happens when any mobile, like a car, a plane or a boat, go through the air of the water: turbulences are made around the flow that give a effective pumping effect that collect molecules around and come to add to the flow (remember when a hight speed trunk pass on a road you were walking on the side...).

So, would be for EM waves or eventual very much more thinner eventual waves length that could exist in the "vacuum", that boost of frequencies could 'pump' other waves in their environment and collect them as exceeding energy that we could use then after in our circuits.

Well, it's just a theory, but it's mine.

Wishing I could have help you and not too much confused you by this long and condensed mail, and sorry if miss witting, I didn't take the time to reread well, I'll do next time I'll come back.

Regards, and good work everybody.

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In my opinion, all of the fundamental work and in many ways every derivative will owe great respect to Dr. Stiffler. No unit should ever be intended to become a sales item...without his blessing or indeed without his profit from it. If such a device were produced and worked reliably, then the benefits are multi-fold.
First thanks for your interesting words on the effect of the power lines and materials on the mind (I prefer to use "mind" than "brain", because it could be that brain could near only an interface for the mind, a command-panel for the being).

Then for caring about Dr. Stiffler profits and rewards, I'm very agree with you that any person who has worked on researches that has bring to applicable and saleable devices, has to be rewards in direct function of the benefits provided to the Community.

For me, if I could come to the point I produce and sell such devices, of course I do have to do so and rewards all the people I have to pay-back for the ideas or knowledge.

For Dr. Stiffler, he is far to be the only reference, but if a device comes directly from his work, it would be obviously need that he could have the direct benefit of, would be just as a logic reward, and sustaining too for further researches and possible discoveries for the General Interest.

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I agree with Nick, that reliance on AC seepage is a non starter for a self runner. I fully believe that any system that truly uses cosmic particles will not care whether the house mains is on or off. A truly cohered energy system will 'grab' that energy, but will not rely upon it.
There's so much electromagnetic noise in our environments that to let it blast into, through and out of us without being cohered is a huge waste.
Experiments in a Faraday "top-open box" with high sides, would be enough to keep only the cosmic rays (and possible ZPE). But if it's about ZPE, even in closed-vaccuum box would work, right?


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  • @CattleCluj Unfortunately, there doesn't still exists a mechanism that feeds on itself alone. (motor dynamo, dynamo motor) If so, it would be the most sensational discovery in the "free energy"

    Bye!

    Roobert33 il y a 17 heures

  • @Roobert33 that does exist! I'm sorry to say, but it does exist, and even more! These systems are called "overunity systems". Solar panels, wind turbines, heat pump, are all overunity systems. These are all what I call "Mixed OverUnity Systems".

    For "Single OvertUnity Systems", means using only 1 kind of energy, its much harder to find, but looks that Dr. Stiffler have done one, very simple, but looks hard to replicate, so that is not a very good point. But look INVENTOR3 videos...

    Khwartz il y a 1 seconde


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@cristian91re I had same remark to do, and he should have disconnected the capacitors before.

The problem too the english uses the word "power" for real electrical power, like P[W]=I[A]*U[V] while here it's VERY IMPORTANT to differentiate both!

But even real electrical power in not enough to check, energy used in and output is important.
In one of his video showing his car, the capacitors, fully charged, could run a 11kW car for 30min, what he only ever success to do.

But he could be sincere.

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Ismael have made a little error too, but looks not change anything about if its really work or not: is meter is in mA and reads and wrote in Amp. But I very appreciate the video any way, and I really feel is sincerity. Could be his mistakes are just because could be hard to think to everything, but I real feel him sincere to show and explain everything.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKvR5OlLNDM

Thanks Ismael for your sincerity and desire to produce devices that could be very useful for the Whole World.

I still think you've few mistakes in your videos, like not really demonstrated any overunity power, as you didn't measure wattage in any way, and so, no real efficiency coefficient.

but I'm convinced that you're honest and these are just mistakes that I wish much you could correct by other videos.

Regards.

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29 December 2010.

Careful: for those who lives in France, REACTIVE power is very limited by lows by the "phi' coefficient (POWER FACTOR) and grids other countries make paid the not by WATT*TIME, but by VOLTS*AMPS*TIME, so that the system is useless, UNLESS YOU CAN MADE YOUR OWN WHOLE ELECTRICITY. (If I mistake, you can correct me.)

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Incroyables Expériences [62] Faire un joule thief 2 / Make a joule thief 2 (récente)

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  • This is a replication of a Russian Inventions and..../... )...)))

    arhivus il y a 8 mois

  • @arhivus

    hi Arhivus! What you call "radiant energy" Tesla like, can be explain by ionisation phenomena and impeding of much greater order in the phonons of the material or gas, so that is it not a gain of energy but a gain of conductance.

    Nevertheless, an other classic phenomena is involved and used: a system of energy pump based on magnifying waves and overflow holes, & here you have all about overunity (specialist of genie energetic, especially of heat pumps COP>3, and electrician).

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  • @Khwartz Always someone to complain. The joule thief is nothing more than a low voltage DC source being used to boost the DC output. DC to DC converter.

    myvideoisonutube il y a 47 minutes

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    huum, I see... and did you look at the definition of "thief"???? Tu use should be only when there is overunity somewhere, otherwise words lose their means and people get confuse about what really happen here and imagine what is not. Sorry.

    Khwartz il y a 1 seconde


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