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Are Corporations Our Spiritual Adversaries?  by Alfred Adask

 

Intrigues of the Evil One 

 

What I see so far is that we in the Western World (especially the USA) live in a world that is absolutely unlike that which we are led to believe in or imagine. The secular world operates according to principles the average man can't even imagine, let alone believe. So far as I can see, there are two parallel "realities": one is the natural world, created by God, and populated by natural man and the "things" which God has made; the other is based on artificial (man-made) entities like corporations and trusts, that create an illusion of life. Virtually everyone accepts the artificial world as "real".


I began to suspect the nature of this "artificial reality" when I first began to understand Ephesians 6:12: "For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers...... " I'm not absolutely certain that artificial entities like corporations and trusts fit into the classification of "principalities and powers". But I know for a fact that artificial entities (corporations, trusts, etc.) cannot be identified as "flesh and blood". Therefore, if our adversary is not "flesh and blood" (made by God), then artificial entities (made by man) could be our spiritual adversaries.


In terms of the law, all artificial entities (corporations, trusts, etc.) are "legal fictions" that exist only in legal contemplation -- in our imaginations -- but not in reality. Although the usual definitions and descriptions of "legal fictions" are dressed up to sound rather impressive or dignified, the truth is this: All "fictions" are lies. And that's a fact.


Just because "legal fictions" (artificial entities) are created by the authority of our courts and/or government doesn't change the fact that they are lies. They don't really exist. General Motors has no size, color, weight or taste. It's an invisible, imaginary entity that isn't really there. The same is true for IBM and Microsoft. They are illusions and finally, lies.


And that's not wild-eyed rhetoric or mere personal opinion. That's the law. Dig a bit into the topic and you'll discover that law dictionaries admit that artificial entities are legal fictions and therefore, "lies".

Once you see that "legal fictions" are lies, you're bound to recall the "father of lies". If Satan is the father of lies, and corporations and trusts are lies, there are obvious spiritual implications. If that relationship is valid, then it should come as no surprise that corporations inevitably seduce us into acts and values that are contrary to God's will and our own salvation.


My suspicion that artificial entities are inherently opposed to Godly principles is supported by the fundamental "benefit" promised by all artificial entities: Limited personal liability. With the right assembly of corporations or trusts to shield your business, your assets or your savings, you can accidentally cause a great deal of trouble for others and -- even if you're caught -- avoid personal liability. In other words, if I act as the officer of a corporation and I accidentally make a decision that causes a number of people to be injured or even killed, I can probably avoid personal liability for those damages. The injured can sue the corporation -- but not me. If I set up a series of corporations and trusts, I can even separate my business assets from the corporate business that is responsible for the injuries and thus operate negligently and still shield myself from personal liability.

Almost every business in the Western World understands the idea of "limited liability" and seeks to establish that shield for itself. On the face of it, limited liability (the ultimate promise of all artificial entities) seems like a positive and rational choice in this "litigative society".


However, there are two problems with artificial entities:

First, by providing "limited liability" (the legal shield against potentially ruinous, unlimited personal liability), the artificial entities encourage people to take dangerous risks or even knowingly violate the law in the belief that -- even if they're caught (which is unlikely) -- they can avoid personal liability for their acts by hiding behind the corporate "veil". This mentality encourages people to pursue personal gain without regard to public welfare. For that reason, corporations and trusts subtly encourage their officers to engage in criminal behavior. Why not? Even if you're caught, you won't be (personally) punished. Thus, corporations and trusts subtly tempt us to break God's laws.


Second, while we may all hope for mercy, if there is a Judgment Day, it seems apparent that God will judge us all for every act and thought. Depending on that judgment and God's mercy, we may find ourselves in Heaven or Hell. I believe that Hell is a terrible consequence and the ultimate expression of "unlimited personal liability". God seems to tell us that if we violate enough of His laws, we may be condemned to Hell. If so, the whole principle of the Old Testament and the foundation for the New, is the threat of unlimited personal liability for our acts in this life (Romans 6:23).


If God says you are subject to unlimited personal liability for your acts in this life, but artificial entities promise that you can enjoy limited personal liability, it doesn't take a genius to understand that by promising limited personal liability, all artificial entities (corporations, trusts, etc.) advocate a system of values fundamentally opposed to those of the Bible. From a spiritual perspective, I have a very difficult time regarding all statutory artificial entities as anything less than diabolical.


And yet we live in a world dominated and overwhelmed by artificial entities like IBM, General Motors and Microsoft. People who work as corporate officers are held in high esteem and enjoy high credit ratings. Those of us outside the corporate world tend to be less prosperous. The average person regards corporations as something positive, or at least no more than a standard tool for business. Virtually no one senses that a spiritual disability may be attached to a corporate system of values.


So perhaps my notions are simply mistaken. If we take a vote, I know my opinions are sure to lose.

But I can't seem to deny or abandon my own perceptions and conclusions. And so I'm led to believe that this entire "artificial world" is, at best, a kind of unintentional blasphemy -- and at worst, the work of Satan. (The natural world is comprised of all things which were made by God. The artificial world is commonly seen to be that which is made by man (rather than God) -- but could as easily be considered to have been made by Satan).

The problem is that this artificial world is so "seamless," so omni-present that it's become as "invisible" to the average person as oxygen or gravity -- it's all around, but nobody "sees" it. As a result of this "massive invisibility," the corporate system of values is generally unchallenged on a spiritual level.


Therefore, I understand that the preponderance of evidence is clearly contrary to my notions. This deception is so massive, so complete that at first glance -- even to me -- it seems too incredible to be plausible, let alone possible. If this artificial world is possible, if it is as I suspect, then it's simply too extraordinary to be the work of mere men. And that may be precisely why it survives. Because it seems as impossible as having a pet dinosaur in the back yard, virtually no one bothers to look and see if there's a huge reptile out back. The lie is so big, everyone believes it precisely because we can't imagine a lie so large.


I realize I may be mistaken about what I think I see. I really wish someone could make me understand my error -- my life would be enormously simplified.

But if my observations of the "artificial world" are generally correct, this artificial world must have been motivated and created by Satan. Mortal man is simply incapable of creating such a massive deception and keeping it secret since its inception around the American Civil War.


Which is why I say you must give the Devil his due. If my notion of an "artificial world" is valid, then Satan has created a deception so unbelievable that even the elect seem completely deceived. Insofar as people embrace that "artificial world", and it's as attractive as hell, (if you know what I mean), they necessarily stray from God. Not merely from God's Word and Law, but from His Presence, from an awareness of God.


This artificial reality is somewhat like "Donkey Island" in Pinocchio -- the young boys can smoke cigars, drink beer, play pool and slowly change into donkeys. Except in this artificial reality, we are simply amused and entertained until life is gone and instead of changing into donkeys, we've been changed into atheists and sinners who may have lost their chance for salvation.


As you can imagine, I can ramble on for hours. But I'll stop here.

Except to say I almost wish I was like most people and unable to "see" this artificial world. And in truth, I don't "see" this artificial world as a consequence of my own "super-human" vision. Insofar as I see it at all, I do so only because God shows me, because He allows me to see. And that's why I'm convinced my observations are essentially correct. If it were just me looking, I'd agree I must be nuts. I'd at least keep my mouth shut. But I am convinced that God has slowly led me to see one insight and then another, for over 18 years, and slowly built my understanding until today, I see through a glass, darkly. I can feel his presence in every new insight.

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Response 1: Remember "artificial" persons (corporate entities) include bodies politic as well as bodies corporate (bodies for profit).

You are "sucked in" to this evil and imaginary world by the assumption that you are in a contract with the Crown to be a corporate entity - a natural person - a human body without right of free will. This status then deprives you of the "right" to life, liberty and property because your body again becomes part of the Earth, held in common, and, thus, in trustee ownership by the Crown. Your body becomes a "Ward of the Crown". Eldon Warman

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Response 2: The problems with this argument and approach are quite numerous. If corporations as legal entities don’t really exist in reality because they are imaginary then they can’t really be anyone’s enemy in reality, if in reality they don’t really exist. Whereas the principalities and powers, such as evil in the world, the Devil, et al do exist in reality even if you can’t see, touch or smell them. You can't see, touch or smell good, love and mercy either...... does that mean they are fictions too? No!...... in any case, if the entity in question whether the Devil or corporate entities or good versus evil are "fictitious" then they can’t be real enemies of anyone...... if they are our "real enemies" then they must exist in reality! This is not just some "play on words"...... you can't "be"...... and "not be" both at the same time. A group of people get together and call themselves "having a good time"...... a corporation is no more fictitious than that "good time". People outside that group may never be able to see, touch, smell or feel that bit of "fiction" either...... was it real?! If it is not real because it is not material in that it can't be touched then what is the point about principalities and powers...... they can't be real either!?  If they are real then why would the "fictions" be any different from any other nonmaterial thing such as good and mercy or love and hate? But wait...... love, hate, good, evil and lies are generated by...... you guessed it...... men and the Devil...... not "corporations". Corporations are neither good nor evil they are simply creations of their creators and masters who are always...... you guessed it again...... men...... corporations don’t do anything of themselves. "They don't really exist. General Motors has no size, color, weight or taste. It's an invisible, imaginary entity that isn't really there." Neither can good, evil, mercy, love and hate!? Are they made by man or God?...... hint everything is not made by either man or God...... the Devil is the father of liars...... is a lie real or not? If a lie is not real how can it be our enemy...... and if it does not have to be material to be "real" then what is the point about "corporations"?!  Whether or not something is "real" or material is completely irrelevant for defining or identifying it as good or evil!? What makes things good or evil is not whether or not they are "fictitious" aka "imaginary" or "real" assuming you define those terms consistently anyway...... is all imagination evil?! The fact is he attempts to use and apply terms such as "real" and/or  "flesh and blood" and "fictions" in a completely inconsistent way.

No matter how you choose to look at corporations:

1. This argument and approach with respect to corporations is both a series of self-contradictions as well as a self-defeating argument.

2. The only real enemy is not "corporations" ("fictitious" or "real") but rather the good or evil that men do who create, run, operate and control them. If they are evil simply because they are "imaginary" aka "fictions" then "for goodness' sake" don't get creative or imaginative about anything...... that would just be plain evil!?

This is nothing more than an exercise in academic attacks of futility and nonsense about things that have no intrinsic good or evil in or about them whatsoever no mater how you define "fictions". Besides, it can hardly be called or considered a lie/deception if the fact that it is an "imaginary" entity (which is the truth of its nature) is plainly, overtly and clearly defined as "imaginary"!? Did God lie when he told Ahab via Micah about the lying spirit that God himself put into the mouth of Ahab's own prophets? Hint...... NO! Why?...... because God told him exactly what he had done. God did not deceive anyone! Neither are corporations capable of deception...... only the men who create, operate and control "corporations" can lie...... if so then "corporations" are not the enemy nor are they "lies". To simply imagine a thing is not to lie about it anymore than a good story as long as the author does not tell the audience that this "make-believe" story is the truth of what happened. But to claim that the truth of the matter is we got together and imagined a "corporation" and agreed to function together based on that imaginaion is not a lie. He will either have to define his terms i.e. "fictions" and "lie" more carefully or quit trying to claim on the one hand that something does not exist while simultaneously making a case that that very something is a "real problem"...... pun intended.   :-)   Allen Daves

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Response 3: No, I don't agree with this one. Things have not just been influenced by the Devil since the American Civil War, but throughout history. Perhaps he is just one step away from realizing that it is the Ezraelites who create the wars and the companies, that think up the idea to burn human beings to death. Companies are just used by the 'chosen ones' to steal what they have always lusted after and worshipped - mammon. The 'chosen ones' hate beauty, truth, order, civilization, ... , which is why they constantly try to destroy them.  Neville Jones

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Statement 2: At bottom, the "logic" of my "hypothesis" is this:
1) All fictions are lies.  By definition, a fiction does not truly exist in the natural world created by the God of the Bible. Santa Claus is a fiction.  Santa, believe it or not, does not truly exist.  Santa may be a lotta fun, but at bottom, Santa is a big, fat, jolly lie.
2) "Legal fictions" are socially and/or politically-approved "lies".  Just like Santa Claus, the corporation IBM does not truly exist in the real world.  Like Santa Claus, IBM may have been created and maintained for benign purposes, but the truth remains that the corporation "IBM" exists only in "legal contemplation"--not in reality.
3) The Bible declares that Satan is the father of all lies.
4) If the Bible is true, then it follows that Satan is the father of all fictions, the father of all legal fictions, and even IBM and Santa Claus are the "children" of Satan.
There is argument and may be evidence to support my hypothesis that all legal fictions may be of Satanic origin or effect. 
What is the fundamental promise of every "legal fiction"?  Why do we incorporate? 
Answer:  To secure limited liability.
If I act under the "guise" (LIE) that I am doing business as a corporation (legal fiction, LIE) rather than as a man, then if I make a mistake and some customer is injured, he will sue the corporation rather than me.  Shielded by "limited liability" because I'm doing business behind a legal fiction/lie, the corporation may lose its assets to the lawsuit, but I will keep my house, car, bank account etc.

Yes, the mistake was mine, but I won't be held personally accountable.  Instead the legal fiction will be "left holding the bag".
"Limited liability" is a pretty sweet concept.  But it is exactly contrary to the fundamental principles of the Bible wherein 1) every word and deed that we utter or commit will one day be judged; and 2) if we sin and are not saved, we will suffer eternal damnation in Hell.  Eternal damnation is UNLIMITED LIABILITY.  God's message in the Bible is that we are all potentially subject to the UNLIMITED LIABILTY of eternal Hell.
But man's corporations (legal fictions/lies) teach us to believe in LIMITED liability.  Much as Satan once tempted Eve by promising, "Surely, you will not die if you eat the apple," modern government tempts the people by saying "surely, you will not be held personally liable if you conduct your business behind a legal fiction (lie)."

Insofar as many corporate owners or executives believe the promise of "limited liability," they are implicitly encouraged to "cut corners" and engage in immoral, illegal and even criminal acts.  Why not?  If you have limited liability and won't be punished (assuming you are even caught in the first place), why not take the chance and break the law?  If you might win and you can't lose, why not take a shot?
Suppose we gave limited liability to bank robbers.  Suppose, if you were caught after you robbed a bank, the worst that would happen is that you'd have to return whatever money you hadn't yet spent?  Who wouldn't be tempted to rob banks?  If you can't be punished by the law, why not break the law?
Legal fictions give us limited liability.  Limited liability means that you are to some significant degree exempt from punishment under the law.

Thus, the fundamental promise of legal fictions is limited liability.  This promise is exactly opposite of God's warning that we may all be subject to the unlimited liability of eternal damnation. 
More, the promise of limited liability inevitably tends to tempt those operating behind a "corporate veil" to commit immoral or criminal acts (sins). Given the inherent temptation of "limited liability," should we be surprised if a significant percentage of corporate executives engage in unlawful activities?

Any legal fiction that promises "limited liability" creates a temptation similar to the apple and Satan in the Garden of Eden.  This temptation would seemingly be contrary to the Bible's fundamental warning of unlimited liability, and would seemingly tempt any "corporate executive" to engage in sin. 
If you have observed a disproportionate tendency by corporate executives to engage in immoral, criminal or sinful acts, your observation may be evidence in support of my hypothesis.  On the other hand, if you have observed that corporate officers tend to be among the most moral, charitable, law-abiding and Godly in our society...... and least likely to engage in the sins of lust, greed, robbery and worship of money rather than God--then your observations would be evidence against the validity of my hypothesis.  
So, please weigh in.  What have you observed?  What evidence can you provide?  Have you observed that corporate executives tend to be disproportionately sinful, or disproportionately Godly, or are corporations and their owners and excecutives no more likely to be sinful or Godly than the local farmers, tradesmen and working-class people?

My own observations make it hard to conclude that legal fictions are spiritually harmless.  I have observed a disproportionate tendency among corporate executives and owners to cut corners, disobey laws, and celebrate the sins of lust, greed and gluttony.  As one famous Wall St. corporate executive (Michael Douglas as Gordon Gekko in movie "Wall Street") once remarked, "Greed is good."  Well, maybe so, but I am personally unable to see how that greed can be "good" in the same sense that God is "good".  Thus, my observations tend to support the hypothesis that legal fictions may be the children or tools of Satan.
 
Certainly, legal fictions are not the tools of God.  God created "all things" in the natural, material world.  But fictions do not exist in the natural world.  Fictions were not created by God.  How could God--who is incapable of lying--create a legal fiction/lie? 
Legal fictions (lies) are man's creations or perhaps Satan's creations, but they are absolutely not God's creations.  If they don't flow from God, how can anyone expect legal fictions to be "good" or even morally neutral?
Thus, while I do not claim to know the truth, it seems entirely plausible and even probable that legal fictions (corporations and trusts) may fall into the class of fleshless "principalities and powers" that are our true adversaries in this spiritual war. 
Alfred Adask

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Response 4: i) Just because something is "imaginary"/ fiction does not mean it is a lie.  "By definition, a fiction does not truly exist in the natural world created by the God of the Bible...... Santa Claus is a fiction."  Anything you imagine is a "fiction" --  does that mean your dreams/fictions are lies?...... or even the principalities and powers we are to wage war against?! NO!

ii) Legal "fictions" are not any different than any rules...... legal fictions are not a tool of God...... but then neither are any man made rules or even a hammer is a tool of God...... God did not make either one of those...... so what?!...... legal entities and hammers are creations and tools of man who is made by God. God gave man the capacity to use their "imaginations"/fictions such as state and federal LAWS  ...... oops ...... God did not make the laws of the land either nor are they "real" they are nothing more than man made "fictions"...... are they evil too?!

iii) The principalities and powers are a) spiritual b) create evil, i.e. lies. Satan is the father of liars ... thus it is a good bet that Satan and his offpring are the   enemy. Story books and Santa Clause are not lies unless you tell the children they are real and that is how and why we get presents at Christmas ... granted a lot of people tell lies but the evil is with and created when people make those claims, not when Santa Clause is told as a story of the fiction it is. A corporation just as in the case of a hammer has no intrinsic good or evil to it. How and for what purposes they are used for will constitute and determine good or evil, i.e. to build up or to hit over the head so as to murder ...... even then if the hammer is used to murder it is not the hammer that is evil. The spirit of murder , jealousy and or covetousness is evil not the hammer. Our enemy are spirits ... a corporation is not a spirit any more than the law of the land is a spirit ...... neither were created by God so any "life" folk would give to them ( i.e. the principalities and powers ) or any attempt at arguing they might be the or an enemy of principalities and powers with respect to those entities is ironically pure imagination itself. They only get "power" from man.This whole idea/ argument is its own "fiction"!

Conclusion: To tell a story as fiction about Santa Clause is not a lie! What is a lie is to tell the story of Santa Clause as the truth of reality and not just a make-belive character for fun ...... That is a lie ...... Was Jesus lying when he used parables?  By definition a parable can be but does not have to be real at all. It can be a purely imaginary set of people and events ...... but maybe he made that clear by stating "the kingdom of heaven is like" versus as stated elsewhere "the kingdom of heaven is" ...... one is true the other is ...... wait ...... they are both "true"...... ummmmmm.

Worry about the spirit of evil, known by its fruits, not material or inmaterial things that evil can use. Everything that is immaterial that God did not make is not evil!? The powers and principalities in high places are "in high places" not lower than the angels, subordinate men and mans creations, which are subordinate to man!  Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it? ...... which is greater the thing formed or he who formed it? Man is the creator of fictious "corporations" and laws of The State ...... they are subordinate to man ...... man is lower than the angels ...... the angles are lower than Christ ...... Christ is subordinate to the Father ( as per scripture ). Mr Adask states God created all material things ... true! ... But, the spirit of evil in men can use a hammer for murder but the spirit of Christ if in us can also use that same hammer to help our neighbor. Satan, his angels and evil spirits are the principalities "on high" for they are angels that sinned who are made higher than men and Satan was also called by Christ himself at that time the prince of this world ... not the puny creations (fictious or real ) of a ( made lower than the angles ) man. Man does not rule evil nor does man control evil in this world ...... evil controls and rules men. The enemy on high places is the ...... Spiritual Wickedness and rulers of evil itself ( Satan and his spiritual offspring) not materialism or anything created by a material man "fictious" or not!

PS. Man does not make or create spirit(s) thus "corporations" have no evil spirit nor power in high places. Their power is strictly limited by their creators ...... man who may indeed have evil spirits working in him ...... but that is not one and the same nor can they be considered equally "evil".   Allen Daves

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Statement 3: His observation that "telling about Santa Clause as fiction" is not a lie obscures the point.  Yes, we adults know that Santa doesn't exist.  Therefore, talking about Santa among adults as a fiction may be talking about a "white lie" or not lying at all.
But the story of Santa Claus is primarily intended for children and is not told to the kids "as fiction"--it's told to them as truth.  And that's a lie.  It might be a "white lie," but it's still a lie.  It's not testimony under oath, but it's still a lie.  If I recall correctly, the Bible suggests that lies are bad--not just the evil, inky black lies, but even the merry "white lies" of the sort found at Christmas.

And Christmas, incidentally, is not only the "Season To Be Jolly"--it's also reportedly the season most characterized by depression and even suicide.  The Season of Santa and Christ's birth ( which many believe actually took place around April rather than December ), is chock full of "jolly" old lies.   I can't help but wonder if all those lies aren't conducive to the resulting depressions and suicides.
If there were a causal link between the "jolly" lies of Christmas and tragic suicides, would it really be a strain to suggest that such causation was more likely serving Satan than God?  Does Satan cheer for every Christmas suicide?  Would it be so irrational to use such suspicions to support the contention that all fictions are the "spawn of Satan"?
The average American devotes six hours a day to watching TV.  What is TV's primary content?  Fiction.  It all seems like great fun.  It's very "entertaining".  But it's primarily lies. 
OK--what's wrong with watching a little TV fiction?  It's relaxing.  Fun.  Entertaining.  But the time I spend enjoying the fiction of Sean Connery pretend to be James Bond while he pretends to efficiently murder some "terrorist," is time that I might have spent reading what may be the truth in the Bible.  Insofar as we are distracted from the Bible by fictions and other "entertainment," we are arguably impeded in our search for God.
To me, that would seem to serve Satan's purpose.  Thus, I am again drawn to the hypothesis that all fictions ( and especially legal fictions ) are ultimately the children of Satan.  Fictions, by definition, distance us from the presence of God.  Is it so irrational to look at such "distancing" and wonder if it might be the work of Satan?  Is it so irrational to look at the means of such distancing ( fictions ) and wonder if they might not be the tools of Satan?
Sure, such questions in a society that's built on lies ( corporations, tv, movies, novels, politicians, actors and even news reports ) are politically incorrect to the extreme.  But are such questions nevertheless completely unreasonable and irrational? I don't think so.  Alfred Adask
 

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Response 5: "I'm not absolutely certain that artificial entities like corporations and trusts fit into the classification of "principalities and powers". But I know for a fact that artificial entities ( corporations, trusts, etc. ) cannot be identified as "flesh and blood". Therefore, if our adversary is not "flesh and blood" ( made by God ), then artificial entities ( made by man ) could be our spiritual adversaries."
"Certainly, legal fictions are not the tools of God.  God created "all things" in the natural, material world.  But fictions do not exist in the natural world.  Fictions were not created by God.  How could God--who is incapable of lying--create a legal fiction/lie?"
"Legal fictions ( lies ) are man's creations or perhaps Satan's creations, but they are absolutely not God's creations.  If they don't flow from God, how can anyone expect legal fictions to be "good" or even morally neutral?"

Compare Ephesians 6:12 with Colossians 1:16  For by Him all things were
created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him.

"the other is based on artificial ( man-made ) entities like corporations and trusts, that create an illusion of life. In terms of the law, all artificial entities ( corporations, trusts, etc. ) are "legal fictions" that exist only in legal contemplation -- in our imaginations -- but not in reality. Although the usual definitions and descriptions of "legal fictions" are dressed up to sound rather
impressive or dignified, the truth is this: All "fictions" are lies. And that's a fact. Just because "legal fictions" ( artificial entities ) are created by the authority of our courts and/or government doesn't change the fact that they are lies. They don't really exist."

If a wealthy man creates a trust and names you as the beneficiary, will you cash the checks that start arriving soon after his death? Are they not "real" checks?

"General Motors has no size, color, weight or taste. It's an invisible, imaginary entity that isn't really there. The same is true for IBM and Microsoft. They are illusions and finally, lies."

My car doesn't exist? My computer doesn't exist?

"law dictionaries admit that artificial entities are legal fictions and therefore, 'lies'."

Law dictionaries admit that corporations are "lies?"

If that relationship is valid, then it should come as no surprise that
corporations inevitably seduce us into acts and values that are contrary
to God's will and our own salvation.

My corporation ( Vine & Fig Tree ) is inevitably going to
seduce people into sin? Inevitably? Nothing I can do about it?

"My suspicion that artificial entities are inherently opposed to Godly principles is supported by the fundamental "benefit" promised by all artificial entities: Limited personal liability."

It is the State, not the corporation, that promises limited liability. It is the State that seduces, not churches, not all corporations, not V&FT. Not all corporations are limited liability corporations. Not inherently. Many people -- from Robert L. Dabney to R.J. Rushdoony -- have criticized limited liability.

"All fictions are lies."

Is Judges 9:7-15 a fiction? Is it therefore a lie? ( I see you covered this later, using Jesus' parables as an example.) 7 When Jotham was told about this, he climbed up on the top of Mount Gerizim and shouted to them, "Listen to me, citizens of Shechem, so that God may listen to you. 8 One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, 'Be our king.'  9 "But the olive tree answered, 'Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and men are honored, to hold sway over the trees?'  10 "Next, the trees said to the fig tree, 'Come and be our king.'  11 "But the fig tree replied, 'Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?'  12 "Then the trees said to the vine, 'Come and be our king.'  13 "But the vine answered, 'Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and men, to hold sway over the trees?'  14 "Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, 'Come and be our king.'  15 "The thornbush said to the trees, 'If you really want to anoint me king over you, come and take refuge in my shade; but if not, then let fire come out of the thornbush and consume the cedars of Lebanon!' 

" What is the fundamental promise of every 'legal fiction'? Why do we incorporate? Answer:  To secure limited liability."

This is not always the case. Further, limited liability can be secured by
"real" people without incorporating.

"I act under the "guise" ( LIE ) that I am doing business as a corporation ( legal fiction, LIE ) rather than as a man, then if I make a mistake and some customer is injured, he will sue the corporation rather than me.  Shielded by "limited liability" because I'm doing business behind a legal fiction/lie, the corporation may lose its assets to the lawsuit, but I will keep my house, car, bank account etc."

Generally true, but not always. If a Director acts outside the corporations purpose, he can be personally liable. Generally, limited liability pertains to shareholders who make no decisions -- not directors who do make management decisions.

I have yet to see a line-by-line refutation of
Robert Hessen's defense of corporations:
http://www.econlib.org/LIBRARY/Enc/Corporations.html

Kevin Craig

 

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Response 6: "His observation that "telling about Santa Clause as fiction" is not a lie obscures the point." No that is the point - when does a thing become a lie!? If it is a lie because it is a fiction then he contradicts himself in the next sentence.

"Yes, we adults know that Santa doesn't exist. Therefore, talking about Santa among adults as a fiction may be talking about a "white lie" or not lying at all." How can they not be lying if all fictions are lies?!
"But the story of Santa Claus is primarily intended for children and is not told to the kids "as fiction"--it's told to them as truth. And that's a lie. It might be a "white lie," but it's still a lie."  A lie is a lie. This is was never in question! But what constitutes a lie is the issue at hand.

"But the time I spend enjoying the fiction of Sean Connery pretend to be James Bond while he pretends to efficiently murder some "terrorist," is time that I might have spent reading what may be the truth in the Bible." This can be said about anything other than time spent reading what the truth of the Bible is!?  So to use the fact that anything is time that could be spent on reading the Bible or understanding truth as a reason for why it is evil, is a ridiculous argument at its very best!

"Sure, such questions in a society that's built on lies" the whole idea and definition and rules of a "society". Is a corporation by definition nothing more than an agreed upon framework by which people work, and/or live . . . thus all the rules of society are fictions because they are not real, do not exist and are simply made up in the imagination . . . Further the Governments themselves are fictions by his ridiculous reasoning . . . they do not exist as he defines it . . . "General Motors has no size, color, weight or taste. It's an invisible, imaginary entity that isn't really there. The same is true for IBM and Microsoft. They are illusions and finally, lies." . . . thus any Government as well as any and all rules of man that are not found in Scripture are a lie by his own definitions and terms.

2 Peter 2:13. Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; 14. Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

Romans 13:1. Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

2 Corinthians 10:3. For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds; 5. Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ; This argument against corporations is nothing more than an argument against the rule and authority of the Government itself as it relates to the power and nature of corporate entities as well as the government itself. There is no way to make an argument against corporations that does not equally apply for the same reasons in the same way to the Governments, clubs, societies ( the first corporations were and still are even today in many countries referred to as Societies ) . . . thus his "logic" is nothing more than an argument contrary to the knowledge of God and should be cast down . . . Sad but many folk spend all their lives "studying" the Bible, and still don’t have a clue what it is talking about! Our enemies are spiritual not carnal . . . corporations are not spiritual nor is man capable of creating spirits . . . So not only is this a scripturally erroneous argument but it is also a carnal argument in that is not capable of properly distinguishing and identifying evil spirits and the imaginations of a material man to create evil spirits!? If Corporations are not evil spirits then they can’t be the spiritual adversaries we war against.  Allen Daves

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