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RADIAGATE

Unblanking The Tapes

The first set of tapes was a selective leak. What lies under?

SAIKAT DATTA

RADIAGATE

The Quarry Is Watching

Radia could even have known she was being probed

SAIKAT DATTA

RADIAGATE-II

‘This Litigant Told Me He Paid Vijender Jain 9 Cr’

Sunil Arora Former Chairman of Air India, June 20, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Raja Had Nothing To Do With The Madras HC Case’

R.K. Chandolia Former private secretary to A. Raja, June 30, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Look Into It, This Will Be A Very High-Profile, High-Tensile Case’

Manoj Modi, May 29, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Main Abhi Baat Kar Deta Hoon, Telenor Ke Upar Kya Issue Hai’

Unknown, June 16, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Toh Aap Ek Kaam Karo Na, You Just Talk...Call Him, Minister...’

R.K. Chandolia, June 26, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Sahab (Raja) Ne Bola Ki You Meet People During One Specified Time’

R.K. Chandolia, June 2, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Kamal Nath Is A Doer. He Can Make His 15 Per Cent, And Do National Service’

Tarun Das, May 29, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Haan. Abhi Aa Raha Tha Woh Manish Tiwari Ka (Statement)...’

R.K. Chandolia, May 22, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘It Won’t Look Like An Ambani Battle, Except To Those In The Know’

Vir Sanghvi, June 20, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Woh Waapas Bhijwaya Tha (Document On Praful Patel)’

Cecilia, June 20, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘You Are Right. And They (Unitech) Think Anand Sharma Is Proprietary.’

Ranjan Bhattacharya, May 29, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘I Told Mukesh...Sunil (Mittal) Wants Niira To Work For Him’

Ranjan Bhattacharya, May 31, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘I Think He (Praful Patel) Has Worked As A Minister For Naresh Goyal’

N.K. Singh, May 29, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Deora Said, There Is Too Much Pressure...Let The Media Get Diverted’

Manoj Warrier, Niira Radia’s colleague

RADIAGATE-II

‘Haan. Of Course... (I Can talk To Shankar Aiyar)’

Vishal Mehta, June 20, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘It’s A Bit Like Shivji’s Baraat ...(Which Had) Scorpions, Serpents, Tame Deer...’

N.K. Singh, May 29, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Sunil (Mittal) Has Lobbied Against Him (Raja), I Believe’

Tarun Das, May 22, 2009

COVER STORY RADIAGATE-II

‘(Was ET’s Bodhi Angry With SBI/RBI) For Allowing The Bank Guarantee?’

Yatish, June 1, 2009

RADIAGATE-II

‘Listen, We Have A Problem Here. Our Salaries Are Due But Money Hasn’t Come’

Jehangir Pocha, May 29, 2009

CONG-DMK TIES

Off The Reservation

Is the Cong-DMK story over, and is the BJP ready for a scrap?

SABA NAQVI, PRARTHNA GAHILOTE

 


RADIAGATE-II

That Familiar Ringtone...

Curiouser and murkier...the world according to Niira Radia

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Niira Bhajan

“When Sunil Arora steps in...whenever he has given me a reference, he’s never been wrong.”

“Ratan was very worried what will happen to telecom. He’s happy Maran’s not there. He likes Raja.”

“Bit shocking for Kamal Nath. He needed to be told that he had gone a bit overboard.”

“They gave it to (Dilip) Cherian. Was wondering if (G.K.) Pillai had a good equation with Cherian.”

“Prabhu ka call gaya abhi Ranjan ko...ki ask Mukesh to be careful, Anil is way ahead.”

“(Karunanidhi) has got one daughter saying she will commit suicide and his wife saying....”

“I smell a very serious agenda with ET, Bombay. I questioned his intentions.”

“Manoj needs to prepare the questions Vir should ask Mukesh (Ambani). Ek mail bhej do.”


Team Outlook: Arindam Mukherjee, Anuradha Raman, Pragya Singh, Debarshi Dasgupta, Amba Batra Bakshi and Prarthna Gahilote

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?269689

 

Unblanking The Tapes

The first set of tapes was a selective leak. What lies under?

SAIKAT DATTA

Lobbying, manipulation, subversion and media management in India has a new name. Niira Radia. Its exposure has left some whining about “the India story”, while others are lamenting the “invasion of privacy”. The 800 new Radia tapes accessed by Outlook and released partly on its website earlier this week are an exploration of India’s underbelly. The upshot—despite the protestations of infringed privacy—is that public policy, formation of the Union cabinet, distribution of the country’s natural resources all became subject to the cynical game she played using her vast “contacts” list, which included ministers, industrialists, politicians, bureaucrats, fixers and journalists.

http://photo.outlookindia.com/images/gallery/20101215/niira_radia_saree_20101227.jpgAfter Outlook brought the first tranche of the Radia tapes into the public domain, it followed up with an investigation into the stories contained within them—and beyond. This has thrown up startling facts, and 800 new tapes. It’s now established that there are many more dramatis personae in the 5,800 conversations tapped by the the director-general of income tax (investigations) in 2008-09. But some of these names—it is believed that Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, Congress MP Annu Tandon and CPI(M) leader Biman Bose are among those  who spoke to Radia, among others—were not in the tapes leaked to the media. Clearly, the leaks were selective (see: The Quarry Is Watching).

Meanwhile, on December 16, the Supreme Court directed that the spectrum allocation probe also include the NDA years—starting from 2001—and extend into the UPA regime and its role, till 2008. The day before, the CBI conducted raids on 34 places linked to Radia and her associates in Delhi, along with simultaneous raids in Chennai on A. Raja’s relatives and friends.

The initial investigation launched by the income-tax department into Radia’s activities was in fact not focused on the 2G spectrum allocation; it was meant as an overall probe into  her influence-mongering in telecom, gas, power, civil aviation and mining—aggregating into something much bigger than what the CAG calls a Rs 1.73 lakh-crore scam. If an attempt were made to assess the worth of the deals Radia was dabbling in, the figure would  be mind-boggling—perhaps matching the combined annual defence, railway and social sector budgets.

Was the investigation a sham in the first place?

The income-tax investigation of Radia started when P. Chidambaram, then finance minister, received a complaint dated November 16, 2007. It alleged that Radia had raised a Rs 300 crore empire in less than nine years and that she “was an agent of foreign intelligence agencies”. By August 2008, the income-tax department had enough material on her to begin raids. On August 19, 2008, a decision was taken to tap 14 of her personal and official phones, including those of her colleagues. The tapping, authorised by then Union home secretary Madhukar Gupta, continued for 120 days, till December 2008.

The income-tax department’s next round of surveillance began on May 8, 2009. “For some strange reason, surveillance had been stopped during the election period,” a senior intelligence official familiar with the inquiry told Outlook. After resuming, it ran for another 60 days, and ended on July 9, 2009. The leaked tapes all belong to this 60-day period.

 

 

Through Niira Radia, big business subverted government processes to its advantage. The full story is yet to out.

 

 

Worried about the national security implications of the tapes and the investigations, senior officials shot off a letter to Rajiv Mathur, director, Intelligence Bureau, on November 16, 2009. They pointed out that “an analysis of the intercepts suggested that some of the conversations were quite sensitive”. If this was the case, why did the government wait till December 15, 2010, to conduct the first raids on Radia? And what did the CBI hope to unearth almost two years after the income-tax department had begun investigations and interceptions? These are uncomfortable questions no one in the government seems to have answers for.

The most disturbing question, perhaps, is: What is the government doing about the massive manipulation of processes that has come to light after Outlook put up the tapes in the public domain? Consider some segments of the taped conversations: Sunil Arora, an IAS officer, tells Radia that a Delhi High Court judge was paid Rs 9 crore; a bureaucrat-turned-MP tells her Union minister Kamal Nath had gone through a “spectacular decline”; Tarun Das, a former industry lobbyist, calls Kamal Nath “Mr 15 per cent”. So why is the government’s anti-corruption machinery ignoring the contents of the tape ?

Power-brokers Inc had a field day

The new set of tapes obtained by Outlook shows ministers, bureaucrats and power-brokers on Radia’s speed-dial. Here are some revealing conversations:

  • Tarun Das, former head of CII, tells Radia he had put in a word to ensure that Kamal Nath got a berth in UPA-2 as surface transport minister. Das says Nath can still make his “15 per cent” while doing “national service” building highways.
  • JD(U) Rajya Sabha member N.K. Singh, a former bureaucrat, describes the UPA-2 cabinet as “Shivji ki baraat”, a reference to the creatures that danced attendance at Lord Shiva’s wedding.
  • Referring to Murli Deora’s second innings, N.K. Singh says, “...perhaps Mukesh (Ambani) has swung it for him”.
  • Radia also reveals in conversation that Unitech, one key beneficiary of the spectrum allocation, had been defaulting on payments to the Tatas. A Rs 60-crore cheque had bounced, she tells Ranjan Bhattacharya, foster son-in-law of former PM Atal Behari Vaypayee. Bhattacharya says Unitech thought Union commerce minister Anand Sharma was “proprietary”. Sources told Outlook the Tatas are yet to be repaid Rs 400 crore out of the Rs 1,600 crore given to Unitech.

Phone Taps: Public-private subversion?

Last week, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh finally broke his silence about the tapes. But he didn’t express any concern about the subversion of the entire political process, in fact, of his cabinet itself, by corporates, as revealed by the Radia tapes.

 

 

Instead of corruption, the PM chose to assuage people on privacy.

 

 

Instead, Manmohan sought to focus on assuaging corporates and other stakeholders on the question of invasion of privacy. Strange, considering the revelations the tapes make. Even stranger, considering his own government is in a way soon going to institutionalise the invasion of privacy through the uid and natgrid projects. Interestingly, while all official phone taps  are cleared by the Union home secretary, the monitoring is done by a committee headed by the cabinet secretary. The other two members are the telecom and law secretaries. So, both the ex-telecom secretaries now in the dock, Sidharth Behuria and P.J. Thomas, could have accessed the tapes.

The Media

Long-standing reputations in the media have come crashing down. Two names stand out in the current lot of tapes. A reference to NDTV’s Barkha Dutt is revealing: speaking to R.K. Chandolia, an aide of Raja, Radia says Barkha got a statement issued by Congress spokesman Manish Tiwari to clear the air on certain remarks made by DMK leader T.R. Baalu to the media. Vir Sanghvi, associated with the Hindustan Times, discusses his column with Radia before publication: “I’ve  dressed it up as a piece about how public will not stand for resources being cornered, how we’re creating a new list of oligarchs. It’s dressed up as a plea to Manmohan Singh, so it won’t look like an inter-Ambani battle except to people in the know.”

“Very nice, lovely. Thank you, Vir,” responds Radia.

Following the December 16 raids, the CBI seems to have awakened from a long hibernation. But the truth buried in the Radia tapes, now in the Supreme Court’s custody, needs to be made public. They must be investigated and the guilty must be punished. India is now witnessing the ugly subversion of fair processes across several sectors. It’s of monstrous proportions, of a scale never seen before.

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?269665

RADIAGATE

The Quarry Is Watching

Radia could even have known she was being probed

SAIKAT DATTA

It’s now beyond doubt that only selected conversations from the Niira Radia tapes were leaked to the media. An Outlook investigation reveals there were many other key figures speaking to Radia. Here are some of the “missing” conversations:

  • A Congress Lok Sabha MP from Uttar Pradesh has several conversations with Radia about the then ongoing income-tax investigations. She is heard telling Radia that she has discussed the issue with a senior income-tax official who has assured her that the investigations would not harm Radia, though they might possibly harm some of her clients.
  • In one conversation, Radia is believed to be speaking to Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi. She is discussing the transfer of Tata’s Nano project from West Bengal to Gujarat, where the plant was ultimately set up.
  • Radia is believed to be speaking to West Bengal CPI(M) state secretary Biman Bose about Singur, where Tata’s Nano project ran into opposition.

Investigators say they believe the woman MP Radia is speaking to is in all likelihood Annu Tandon, the Congress MP from Unnao, Uttar Pradesh. When contacted, Annu said she could not recall the conversation with Radia. Her husband Sandeep (who died this year) was a former revenue service officer who later became a “consultant” to Mukesh Ambani’s Reliance Industries Ltd. Both her sons work for the same company.

She admitted to knowing several I-T officials including Milap Jain, the then DG income-tax (investigations) who headed the Radia probe and hence knew all the details of the conservations that Radia had till December 2008 and post May 2009.

“I know Milap through Sandeep (her husband) and Milap’s wife Bimlesh is my friend. But I’ve never met him for work issues,” she said. Annu admitted that she’d met Radia on several “social” occasions but could not remember any phone call.

But three sources, all connected to the ongoing investigation and with access to the tapped conversations, confirmed to Outlook that the voice discussing I-T official Jain with Radia was indeed Annu’s.

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?269666

RADIAGATE-II

‘This Litigant Told Me He Paid Vijender Jain 9 Cr’

Sunil Arora Former Chairman of Air India, June 20, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/sunil_arora_thumb.jpgHere, lobbyist Niira Radia is chatting with Sunil Arora, former chairman of Air India and a serving bureaucrat. They are discussing corruption in the judiciary. Arora is telling her how judgements were fixed in the sealing cases in New Delhi when commercial areas and establishments in residential areas were sealed on the orders of erstwhile Supreme Court Chief Justice Y.K. Sabharwal. Arora informs Radia that a Delhi High Court judge, Justice Vijender Jain, was paid off Rs 9 crore in a sealing case by a middleman. The favourable judgement was written one month before it was delivered; the middleman was even given an advance copy. Justice Jain is referred to as Justice Sabharwal’s man.

Sunil Arora: Haan, ab to higher judiciary mein corruption bahut ho gayi na...

Niira Radia: Haan?

SA: Higher judiciary mein corruption bahut ho gayi na...

NR: Bahut zyaada, it’s like crazy situation...

SA: In the sealing cases, one chap had told me that he’ll get this judgement after one month.

NR: Haan.

SA: And he told me how much he had paid to whom.

NR: My god!

SA: I said, yaar, tum mazaak kar rahe ho. He said main aapko bata raha hoon ye judgement hai, and he broadly outlined the judgement...ki, this is to be pronounced after one month. To aap dekh lena, main khud hi copy le aaoonga uski...tab next time jab ho jayegi, woh le aaya copy.... He showed me, that order. He had paid 9 cr...as he claimed, at the residence.

NR: Kaun tha yeh?

SA: I mean this litigant had paid Rs 9 crore to that high court judge in Delhi.

NR: Good god!

SA: This is what he claimed...ki that I paid, at his home.

NR: Kaun sa judgement tha?

SA: Koi tha land deal, real estate ka.

NR: Pathetic ha? Yeh hai na, yeh Upendra Rai (a journalist) ka brother-in-law, jo bhi hai uska...cousin brother—Pradip Rai—yehi to kaam karta hai.

SA: And this gentleman ultimately became chief justice!

NR: My god!

SA: Jisne judgement diya tha...he became CJ (chief justice), abhi retire hua tha, Vijender Jain, naam bhi bataa deta hoon.

NR: Haan, I know.

SA: Jo Sabharwal (CJI Y.K. Sabharwal) ka khaas aadmi tha.

NR: Haan uske upar to problem hua tha na beech mein?

SA: Nahin par woh (Vijender Jain) to ban gaya CJ (of Punjab and Haryana High Court), ab to CJ ban ke retire bhi ho gaya hai. Kya farak pada...


This audio is from the first lot of 140 -- #81

RADIAGATE-II

‘Raja Had Nothing To Do With The Madras HC Case’

R.K. Chandolia Former private secretary to A. Raja, June 30, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/rk_chandolia_thumb.jpgIn this conversation, Radia is discussing the Justice Reghupathy case (where the Madras High Court judge alleged that a Union minister had tried to influence him, and Dayanidhi Maran immediately pointed fingers at A. Raja).


NR: Hi.

RKC: Hello, how are you?

NR: I’m still in Bombay, sorry, not been in touch. How are things, tumhare mantri ka naam aa raha hai, yahaan pe...

RKC: Kisme?

NR: Yeh, high court matter in Chennai.

RKC: Us se kya hoga, he had nothing to do with that.

NR: Nahin, apparently, jo naam media ko circulate hue hain na 9’o clock news ke liye... Woh A. Raja, Azhagiri...

RKC: Hmm...

NR: To phir Azhagiri drop hua because unhone kaha ki Azhagiri nahin hai, to Raja ka naam sab jagah hai.

RKC: Hmm.

NR: This one also came off the air, Rajdeep (Sardesai) he also told me the same thing; NewsX also told me the same thing, everyone is taking his name. In the evening I met Shivnath (Thukral), also from NDTV, sabne yehi bola ki it’s Raja’s...then I spoke to Times of India, because (I was) talking on my gas story, so they said that the name that is being discussed...has been told to the law minister...is Raja.

RKC: Hmm...I don’t know, I didn’t speak to anybody.

NR: Just letting you (know)...that his...there are very many people who just spread his name and it’s not true you know, that’s why I just called you....

The Madras High Court matter also featured in a conversation with Ratan Tata on July 7, 2009...

Ratan Tata: ...I guess the only concern I have is that I understand that Maran is going hammer and tongs for Raja. And I hope Raja doesn’t trip or slip or...

NR: No, he hasn’t, because the chief justice has issued a statement that no minister called the high court judge.

RT: Oh, really?

NR: The Chief Justice of India has issued that statement. So that is clarified. And in any case that did not happen and Maran is made to look a little bit of a fool.

RT: Okay.

NR: It was in any case, it was actually the president of the bar association who said, ‘I know the minister’, in an open court and the judge said don’t bring the cabinet minister’s influence in my court.

RT: Okay.

NR: Raja had not called up for that at all. That’s got clarified.

RT: Okay.

http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?269668

RADIAGATE-II

‘Look Into It, This Will Be A Very High-Profile, High-Tensile Case’

Manoj Modi, May 29, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/manoj_modi_thumb.jpgIn a conversation with Reliance’s Manoj Modi, Niira discusses a bunch of NGOs being considered to file litigation and PILs.



Niira Radia: Hello.

Manoj Modi: Hi, Niira.

NR: Hi.

MM: How are you?

NR: I’m fine, Manoj, how are you?

MM: I’m fine. This, Raja is with me...

NR: Haan, haan.

MM: We were just discussing about this...our litigation, demerger and some other PIL he has in mind

NR: Haan.

MM: Now this ngo, you are sure now, because see, we have this one NGO, that Ramjibhai Mawani, who had done earlier for our power business...

NR: Haan.

MM: And second, the one that you have identified from Delhi.

NR: Haan.

MM: So I am fine with either, whatever is your comfort and preference.

NR: Well my feedback on these people is quite good.... I’ve understood them and they’re quite okay, I don’t get a sense that there is anything...to worry about.

MM: Haan, so, because see, like this Rajkot guys toh we know that nothing will go wrong, and here also even if it doesn’t go wrong, it is better to have a new person involved. But if you have even iota of doubt then we should look here, because this is going to be a very high-profile and high-tensile case.

NR: Well, they are already registered na, Manoj, with the... they are a registered NGO...

MM: No, that is fine, registered NGO is fine, but they should not back out na, at a later...

NR: No, Manoj, I...to be honest with you, I don’t know them personally, I know the guy, though. I’ve had him spoken to from somebody very, very...who he listens to and I don’t think he’ll ever go back on his word.

MM: You don’t know them personally?

NR: No, I know who...the guy who owns the...one of them, I know one of them, there are five of them there. The other gentleman is a JNU guy, I don’t think he’ll backtrack. I think he’s extremely credible from what...I’ve got his reference check on him, they’re serious guys. Inhone DLF kiya tha, DLF ne pura inke upar zor laga liya tha, lekin unhone revert...they did not go back. Even when they offered them money.

MM: Why don’t you do your due diligence and finally, I’ll go...

NR: I’ve done, I’ve done that. That’s why I only approached it when I did the due diligence. So when I finally saw ki isne DLF ke saath backtrack nahin kiya hai and the...for the pressure dlf had put on them...

MM: Nahin, nahin, but DLF ka pressure ek rahta hai, you know I don’t have to tell you anything about our guys na, our guys (put) more pressure.

NR: Haan, haan, Manoj...how much time do we have?

MM: (discusses with someone)...next 2-3 days you have to decide, so I will go with your judgement finally. We want to do 2-3-4 things, we have to...

NR: Manoj main usko personally nahin jaanti but mujhe doubt nahin hai uske upar. I can tell you that because I think the guy’s credible, comes from very credible background. And I don’t think he’s the sort of guy to manoeuvre.

Another voice (probably the Raja who is mentioned earlier): Niira, if there is more than one, there should not be a pressure on others and all that, that is...

NR: Nahin nahin...basically the guys are three of them, of which I know one very well personally. That I can tell you uska, woh kabhi nahin backtrack karega, doosra JNU ka hai, very credible man, sardar hai, hilega nahin aise.... Mujhe bilkul nahin uske upar doubt. And the third guy is absolutely cool. And he knows my, one of my employees, Daljeet, very well. That’s how this whole thing got put together. So when he came to me with the names, I did a check on them. Then I made Sunil Arora talk to them, kyunki woh Sunil ko bahut achchhi tarah se jaante hain. And I know when Sunil steps in...whenever he’s given me a reference, he’s never been wrong, Manoj. At least till today, I’ve never seen, mujhe koi doubt nahin hai inpe.

MM: Because see, when we were doing this power, they had gone to Ramjibhai Mawani also. They had reached his home and taken all kinds of bags...

NR: Haan, haan, I understand that, I understand woh karenge, maine yeh sab soch ke hi kiya tha Manoj.

MM: Haan to woh, see because kya hai, in this case it is so important for us, you understand that, so my preference is to do with them primarily because I don’t want the same guy to do it directly, then we want to have another general feel also that we will have them do it.

NR: Donon se kar lete hain na Manoj, yeh bhi aayega na, yeh bhi to hai na...

MM: Haan, haan, means apne ko to do-teen cheez karni hai, to harek cheez alag alag aadmi se lade to better hai na.

NR: Much better, otherwise it doesn’t become credible na?

MM: That is what I’m saying, that is precisely what I’m saying. Isliye ek baar phir bhi, you...finish your Vaishno Devi visit. And then during that time you just assess it once more, in your mind also, doesn’t matter, you think about it.

NR: Okay.

MM: Then Raja will go ahead and file, because Raja, I’m giving him all the green signal for going and getting all the documents ready and petitions ready and everything.

NR: Hmm.

MM: Hmm?

NR: Hmm, perfect, what I’ll do is I’ll talk to my team also, and I speak to Sunil one more time, mujhe... (line cuts)

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?269669

RADIAGATE-II

‘Main Abhi Baat Kar Deta Hoon, Telenor Ke Upar Kya Issue Hai’

Unknown, June 16, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/unknown_thumb.jpgReacting to reports that client Unitech’s partner Telenor is facing regulatory clearance issues, Niira makes a case for withholding the FIBP clearance of Swan Telecom, where Anil Ambani had a stake.

Unknown: Yes ma’am, good evening.

Niira: Oh, PKM se poochhna ki Telenor ke upar kuchh query raise hua hai kya, un ki security clearance ke liye?

Unknown: Achchha...

NR: Because FIBP approval...

Unknown: Hmm.

NR: ...Aah, because Telenor is a service provider in Pakistan also...

Unknown: Uh, huh.

NR: ...But so is Swan then...

Unknown: Okay.

NR: Toh, I believe there is a meeting on Monday...

Unknown: Achchha.

NR: ...IB and all have a meeting on Monday to decide on Telenor.

Unknown: Okay.

NR: Ek baar confirm kar dena ki issue kya hai uska.

Unknown: Main abhi baat kar deta hoon.

NR: Nahin uska toh... Swan ka bhi aana chahiye because they also have a Pakistan network na?

Unknown: Theek hai.

NR: Okay, okay. Bye.

http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?269670


http://photo.outlookindia.com/images/gallery/20101217/ct_scanner_20101227.jpg

Rs 1.75 cr CT scanner donated by the Tatas in Perambalur

RADIAGATE-II

‘Toh Aap Ek Kaam Karo Na, You Just Talk...Call Him, Minister...’

R.K. Chandolia, June 26, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/rk_chandolia_thumb.jpgHere Radia talks to Chandolia on the ways the Tatas can fund a hospital in Perambalur, A. Raja’s hometown. Later, the Tata Foundation allotted Rs 9 crore to upgrade hospitals in the district.


R.K. Chandolia: Hello...

Niira Radia: Hi, How are you?

RKC: Haan, good afternoon, I’m fine, how are you?

NR: I’m all right. Well, I’m snowed under, in Bombay, or should I say washed under with the rain...

RKC: Okay.

NR: How are you?

RKC: When are you coming back to Delhi?

NR: Not till Tuesday, Wednesday...

RKC: Okay, okay...could you speak?

 

 

‘(Tatas) can provide either equipment or some wards.’

 

 

NR: I did speak to Krishna Kumar, I did speak to him, he was supposed to tell the...take the...you see, let me tell you where they are coming from...they’re going ahead, they want to do that, they (are) doing the hospital in Perambalur, no problem right? But what they want to do is, and because the charter of the trust allows them to do it only in a particular manner, what they have to do is, they have to provide equipment for the hospital.

RKC: Okay.

NR: Or they provide say, certain wards, they’ll build certain wards or something. So the letter that we have to do, it’s not a cheque-cheque that we give, we actually have to give a letter, and based on that letter, when they start working on the hospital, on certain areas that I decided, between the wards or equipment, then those disbursements start happening.

RKC: Okay, toh aap ek kaam karo na, you just talk...call him, minister...

NR: Hmm.

RKC: And tell him, because he was waiting your call...

NR: He’s waiting my call?

RKC: Haan, haan.

NR: Okay, has he left for Chennai or is he still here?

RKC: Nahin, he is in Chennai.

NR: He is in Chennai, is it?

RKC: Haan, haan.

NR: When will he come back?

RKC: He’ll come on Monday.

NR: He’ll come on Monday. Okay, I’ll have a word...

RKC: Aap baat karke mujhe bata dena aapki baat ho jab.

NR: Okay. I’m sorry maine phir uske baad phone nahin kiya, kyunki kal hi jaake baat hui hai.

RKC: Haan, haan.

NR: So I...I...that’s what he said to me, I just wanted that clarity. Toh maine kaha jo bhi hai, tum (unclear) leke jaake submit kar do na, do a nice photo-op and all that. Maine yahi usko bola tha.

RKC: Haan, haan.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Sahab (Raja) Ne Bola Ki You Meet People During One Specified Time’

R.K. Chandolia, June 2, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/rk_chandolia_thumb.jpgRadia chats with Chandolia just after coming out of a meeting with A. Raja, who wants a person to handle his media. Radia offers Chandolia one of her “trusted guys”.



RKC: Hello.

NR: Hi.

RKC: Haanji, kya haal hai...

NR: I just came out of the meeting, I met our minister, Fareed baitha hua tha bahar without an appointment, as usual.

RKC: To daant diya hoga sahab ne sab ko...

NR: Kisko?

RKC: Staff walon ko daanta?

NR: Haan, because I think he is a bit frustrated about, he said he is limiting the number of people that meet him and he’s also changed all his staff, because, I am glad you’ve done that.

RKC: Nahin, nahin, we have changed the entire staff in office also except 2-3 persons. And sahab ne bola ki you also meet people only during one specified time. Not the entire day,ki koi aa raha hai, koi jaa raha hai...

NR: Absolutely right.

RKC: We will start work it out...ki bhai, that nobody without appointment...and...

NR: He was telling me about secretary and BSNL, and he told me about his own media, so I am going to give you a plan on how we should do it. I’ll dedicate one person who will handle that media for him, okay?

RKC: Okay.

NR: We’ll have to find a way whether we give him to you internally, I’ll give you one of my trusted guys who is very well in with the media.

RKC: Okay, fine.

NR: Okay you want an independent...my honest advice is tum jaise yeh sab perfect perfect sab ko chhor do kyunki yeh sab alignments hai in logon ki.

RKC: Nahin, woh to hai, kisi ne bataya hai...

NR: I can’t...I don’t think anyone... Shahid will tell you I have one of the finest teams you know...ek second...We are not meeting na today?

RKC: Today, if you think you can come by 3:30, we can meet.

NR: No, then, I will go to Gurgaon na, I want to talk to you about that also. Nahin, nahin woh maine wahaan jana hai, usne...I’m trying to narrow him down on to something.

RKC: Okay, theek hai.

NR: That’s why. So I don’t want to (unclear)... Finally all the sons and the father have come on the table.

RKC: Okay, toh ya to phir kal milte hain teen baje kareeb?

NR: I am moving to the apartment tomorrow by the way.

RKC: Chalo good, toh you come at 11, can you come at...

NR: Ek hi din rah gaya hai September tak...(laughs)

RKC: Can you come at 11:15?

NR: Main abhi aa sakti hoon.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Kamal Nath Is A Doer. He Can Make His 15 Per Cent, And Do National Service’

Tarun Das, May 29, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/tarun_das_thumb.jpgThis conversation has the ex-CII head giving his opinion about the new ministers in the cabinet. He says commerce minister Anand Sharma needs to briefed and educated. He says Kamal Nath for surface transport and highways was a surprise but he was all for Nath taking over the ministry. He feels highway construction is a priority area and Kamal Nath is a doer and he can also make “his 15 per cent”—that is, he can do “national service” and make money. Das also discusses how he has decided to give up his job at the CII.

Tarun Das: How was your Bombay visit?

Niira Radia: Good, good, good visit. I met Ratan also. I told him that you know what you are doing. He was very worried about Maran, of course. I did tell him that by the way, I’m sorry I don’t know whether I should have done that, you were meeting the Singapore PM on Monday. He (Tata) is having a problem with his funding there. He’s just caught up with that. He just can’t raise the money for it. For the equity part. Where are you, town or Gurgaon?

TD: I am in town. Just between meetings. I was with Montek (Ahluwalia of the Planning Commission) for an hour. Discussing some strategy issues. Then I’m going to meet the CII president at Jor Bagh and then I’m heading to Gurgaon. I have somebody coming there at 7 o’clock. I’m actually running late for that. When are you back? Sunday?

NR: I am back on Sunday. But you are leaving on Sunday, right?

TD: Sunday night I’m leaving. But am back on Tuesday morning.

NR: And your decision, you are still standing by it?

TD: Yeah, absolutely. I just told Montek. He wanted me to tell the PM also, so I said, yeah, I’ll do that. We were discussing...(trails off) one part of the meeting was whether there are any implications of this vis-a-vis government’s relationship with me. I said no. We actually work with you and look at you in your personal capacity. And always seen you like that. That’s the way we have treated it. Not as CII. That link will still be there. But I won’t have that designation. So he said what designation will you have? So I said I am chairman Haldia Petrochemicals—PM has nominated me chairman of the Japan-Indo CEOs’ forum as chairman Haldia Petrochemicals, so he said they are very comfortable with that. They want me to get more active on the industry side, economic side from behind. I enjoy policy work. I want to do that sort of stuff.

NR: If you need any help, you always got an able secretary.

TD: I always recommend you, you know that. Is Ratan coming (for a Monday conference)?

NR: No, going off to the US tonight. I think Mukesh might come. Ratan was very worried about what will happen to telecom. But he is happy now that Maran is not there. He is happy with Raja.

TD: He likes Raja.

NR: Yeah. He is happy with Raja. Bit shocking for Kamal Nath. He needed to be told that he’d gone a bit overboard. What do you make of Anand Sharma?

TD: This is a very strong message to him (Kamal Nath). I know him (Anand Sharma) reasonably well, not too well. We’ll have to brief him. Educate him. He is new to this whole industry area. He’s the trusted person and he has worked hard in this system. It is a surprise. But it’s good. It’s thinking out-of-the-box for new names. Even Kamal Nath for transport was a surprise but between you and me I had suggested it for him. Big time. Because highway construction has to be a priority. He is a doer. You can make your 15 per cent on this. You can do national service, and also make money. And do really something worthwhile. Because Baalu has screwed up for five years.

NR: Yeah, this is still an ATM for Kamal Nath.

TD: Absolutely. You have a good trip.

NR: I’ll pray for you. You have a good trip too. Also, just one thing—this India Brand Equity Foundation. My team made a presentation on Wednesday. And they said that (G.K.) Pillai (then commerce secretary) had already made up his mind on Dilip Cherian (of the PR agency Perfect Relations). I was surprised. Although Suhel had indicated that we are still in the reckoning but they were not even interested in seeing the presentation. They gave it to Cherian. I just wanted to let you know. Was wondering if Pillai had a good equation with Cherian. Not to worry...

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Haan. Abhi Aa Raha Tha Woh Manish Tiwari Ka (Statement)...’

R.K. Chandolia, May 22, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/rk_chandolia_thumb.jpgHere, Radia claims how she has used Barkha Dutt, group editor, English news, NDTV, to get Congress spokesperson Manish Tiwari to issue a statement clearing some of the misgivings voiced by T.R. Baalu about portfolio allocation. He had been sent to Delhi to meet the Congress leadership with a message from Karunanidhi. But Baalu also spoke to the media. Radia also talks about the need to get Raja in for a second stint as telecom minister and to keep Dayanaidhi Maran out.

NR: Congress ne toh kal thank god statement issue kar diya hai. Barkha ne karva liya kal us se. That it’s not about individuals.

RKC: Haan. Woh toh maine dekh liya hai. Woh toh aa gaya na. Abhi aa raha tha woh Manish Tiwari ka (statement).

 

 

‘Congress ne thank god statement issue kar diya. Barkha Dutt ne karva liya.’

 

 

NR: Woh karana bahut zaroori tha...I spoke to the minister at 2 o’clock last night. Because he said the Congress had to call the chief minister directly in the morning and tell them about Baalu. Because Baalu pe issue tha. Toh abhi party mein log yeh kah rahe hain ki agar tum log Baalu aur Raja aur Maran aur jo bhi yeh abhi chal raha hai (doesn’t complete the sentence)...Azhagiri has now put his foot down, na.

RKC: Kya?

NR: You see the problem is not what we all are thinking. I had a long chat with Raja and Kani last night. Azhagiri is a mass leader. He controls a very large following. You are saying I will give him MoS Independent and you will give Maran cabinet is where the hiccup has come up.

RKC: Correct. Correct.

NR: He (Azhagiri) is a bigger leader than Baalu and all of them put together. So all the Tamilians got up and said what is this. Whatever his following is. Local MPs and MLAs who support him said how can Maran be given a cabinet post when this guy is being given (MoS). Then Azhagiri turned around and said not only him but how come Kani is not being given a cabinet post. So then he said to his father to drop Baalu and Maran. Toh woh phir uske baad, Maran ko usne bola tum MoS lo. Maran ko bola usne. To usne kuchh nahin bola. Kani told me.

RKC: Maran ne?

NR: Haan...Maran ko bola usne tum MoS lo. He kept absolutely quiet. Uski shakal dekhni thi apparently last night. She (Kani) was telling me. Then Azhagiri went to Kani last night at midnight...so let us see...I mean they’ve gone back. HM is going for swearing-in na? But there’s a meeting.

RKC: Pata nahin. I’m going (inaudible). Leaving in 10-15 minutes.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘It Won’t Look Like An Ambani Battle, Except To Those In The Know’

Vir Sanghvi, June 20, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/vir_sanghvi_thumb.jpgIn the midst of the battle between the Ambani brothers over gas resources, Radia gets senior journalist Vir Sanghvi to favour her client Mukesh’s interests through his column. In this conversation, Vir gives her a preview of what is going to appear in his now-discontinued column Counterpoint. “Dressed it up like a plea to Manmohan Singh, so that it won’t look like an inter-Ambani battle,” he says. “Very nice,” replies an approving Radia.

Niira Radia: Hi

Vir Sanghvi: Hi. Niira?

NR: Yeah, yeah.

VS: Okay, wrote it. I’ve dressed it up as a piece about how public will not stand for our resources being cornered; how we’re creating a new list of oligarchs, the example I’ve given is the court case which says that mummy will decide...that it’s all a family, that why should our gas be decided by Mummy? I’ve given the example of the deal they struck on Sasan (in Madhya Pradesh where Anil Ambani has a power plant) after the Samajwadi Party supported the government and they went back on the deal and they went back to their old position. I’ve given this example of how spectrum is being allocated and I’ve said that while people have a certain tolerance for corruption in this country, they’ve no tolerance for people cornering our assets and cornering our scarce resources. What’s going to happen in this country is we’re going to become a country run by oligarchs like Russia who nobody can control and that Manmohan Singh must act because he’s basically giving away the future of our children.

NR: Very nice.

VS: Yeah?

NR: Lovely. Thank you, Vir.

VS: It’s... It’s dressed up like a plea to Manmohan Singh, so it won’t look like an inter-Ambani battle, except to people in the know.

NR: Very nice.

VS: Yeah, so you read it. Tell me what you think.

NR: Thanks. You’re leaving tonight, yeah?

VS: Yeah, am leaving tonight. I’ll be in Colombo tomorrow.

NR: Great.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Woh Waapas Bhijwaya Tha (Document On Praful Patel)’

Cecilia, June 20, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/unknown_women_thumb.jpgRadia talks to her secretary Cecilia to fish out a “dossier” on Praful Patel and Air India, which she can pass on to Star News.



Niira Radia: Cecilia?

Cecilia: Yes, ma’am.

NR: You know many, many moons ago, we had that whole document on Praful Patel, Air India and what’s been happening, Satish ne banaya tha?

C: Woh Satish ke paas waapas bhijwaya tha maine.

NR: Usse poochh uske paas hai?

C: Abhi kab chahiye aapko?

NR: Nahin, mujhe kal 4 baje se pehle bhejna hai kisi ko.

C: Achchha, theek hai, usi ke paas hoga, I’d given him...

NR: Agar uske paas hai toh usko bol ki I’ll be very grateful.... Hum aaj kal pick kar le kyunki woh poora uspe Star News pe aane wala hai half an hour (programme), toh woh dossier use karna chahte hain. Kal hi aa raha hai, toh I’ll send someone.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘You Are Right. And They (Unitech) Think Anand Sharma Is Proprietary.’

Ranjan Bhattacharya, May 29, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/ranjan_bhattacharya_thumb.jpgRadia is speaking to Vajpayee’s foster son-in-law Ranjan Bhattacharya. They discuss the problem the former is having with Unitech which is not clearing the dues to the Tatas. Radia says that the Unitech people believe they own commerce minister Anand Sharma. Also discussed is Airtel’s Sunil Mittal’s need for a liaison person. Bhattacharya says he has been inquiring about Radia.

Ranjan Bhattacharya: Hello.

Niira Radia: Sorry, I had to come out and talk.

RB: You know I am usually not used to being stood up.

NR: Arre kya hua... I really didn’t even know. I can come after this meeting. What time does your lunch finish?

RB: I am joking. I am joking. Achchha aap yeh batao, who are you (meeting) what did you say at 4.30? Gurgaon mein kaun hai?

NR: Unitech.

RB: Haan. Ohh! No, no, don’t cancel it.

NR: They will never otherwise ever give me time, you know, they’ve been avoiding me. I need to go and see them.

RB: Now they have sold two hotels, boss, they have got some money.

NR: They keep on playing up and of course it’s sad but they talk about everything else under the sun other than what is outstanding. It’s crazy. I mean I’ve just saved them from 60 crore of a bounced cheque with Tatas, another one, right?

RB: Another one?

NR: Haan. Because all their cheques have bounced. Abhi 250 crores ka outstanding hai.

RB: My god!

NR: Aur...all their cheques have bounced. This last one has also bounced. He told me this will go through when I was there. I mean I don’t know how many times I’ve stopped them from going into liquidation.

RB: You see...haan. You are right. And they think Anand Sharma is proprietary.

NR: Haan.

RB: You are right.

NR: He told me very clearly on the phone. Abhi to Anand ji aa gaye hain. Look at the great thing, how much confidence Sonia Gandhi has in him. Toh maine kaha abhi kya aapko funding milegi kya bank se?

RB: Haan. I was just going to say that.

NR: Maine kaha—I am very happy because now you can settle all the bills (both laugh).

RB: No. No. Be tough on them. Achchha abhi aisa hai, there is no rush. But Monday I am whole day in a board meeting...then it goes on to Tuesday. Now the other thing is Sunil...Mittal. Yesterday I was at that idiot’s place na, what’s his name...I think I am getting amnesia...Suhel Seth’s place and Sunil met me briefly and he said I mean in his Punjabi style yaar tu sab nu jaanda hai, so maine kaha yaar Sunil what do you want? Toh kainda hai ki yaar... He mentioned you. He said my problem is I need somebody (for liaison). I can’t handle it. I told you. Now he wants to meet me sometimes during this weekend. That’s why I was keen to meet you so that we are on the same page.

NR: Listen what I can do is.... The reason I had to come here is because Tarun Das is stepping down on Sunday (from CII). And to them it’s a big thing. It’s like almost like the father is leaving them or, I am sorry, left home so the poor children have no father. You should see they are running around like headless...listen, this organisation has been built over 40 years. I can’t believe it.

RB: They are feeling orphaned.

NR: Yeah, they are completely orphaned. I am so shocked. I can leave here in another hour, max.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘I Told Mukesh...Sunil (Mittal) Wants Niira To Work For Him’

Ranjan Bhattacharya, May 31, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/ranjan_bhattacharya_thumb.jpgAtal Behari Vajpayee’s foster son-in-law recounts to Radia a recent conversation he had with Mukesh Ambani on Bharti’s Sunil Mittal seeking Niira Radia’s services on a “loose arrangement”. In another conversation, Ranjan confirms that he had met Mittal at Suhel Seth’s house. In yet another chat, Radia checks with Ratan Tata’s office if he is okay with her meeting Sunil Mittal. 

NR: Hi.

RB: Hi, welcome back.

NR: Thank you. Just got back, haan.

 

 

‘I just saved (Unitech) from 60 cr of a bounced cheque.’

 

 

RB: Okay, okay, listen, bhai, I told you... What I suspected is true...He (Mukesh Ambani) had called for something and then I just told him I met Niira at a social function, and I said she just mentioned that, you know, Sunil (Mittal) wants to work...Sunil wants her to work for him on a...just on some loose arrangement. And I said she was telling me that you, you are actually encouraging it. So he turns around and says haan boss, toh kya hua, apne ko kya hai, let everybody do well etc etc. But there was no objection, so I said MDA, why don’t you come out level with me... I said I haven’t spoken to her on these lines, but I am asking you, I said are you okay with it? So you know, his words were: he says, boss, you know me better, I give people lot of latitude, it’s for them to decide. So I said basically, then that means, you know, aap, you’re not very keen. So he says, mujhe kal phone aa gaya tha, now this is yesterday, he’s telling me, yesterday evening. He says to close the loop, so that you know, she’s not going to work for him because he wants a loose arrangement; and she said there’s nothing informal. So he says she’s not going to work for him.

NR: Maine toh us din hi bol diya tha usko.

RB: So I think Niira, on that, limited treatment karna hai, aap soch lo.

NR: Hmm. Woh toh limited arrangement you and I can work together, that’s all I meant, I don’t think we should do anything beyond this. But I don’t want to meet him in his office.

RB: Why should you? Let him... Okay let me play this, huh?...Toh aap anyways, Tuesday ka toh aap bol do ki, aap message kar do, ki I’m real tied up. We’ll come back to you, or some...hai na?

NR: Haan. I’ll tell him I’ve to go to Bombay for a day or so...

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RADIAGATE-II

‘I Think He (Praful Patel) Has Worked As A Minister For Naresh Goyal’

N.K. Singh, May 29, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/nk_singh_thumb.jpgHere, the former bureaucrat and JD(U) Rajya Sabha MP speaks about the Congress sending feelers to JD(U) to join the government. He also takes a swipe at Murli Deora for being incompetent and wonders whether Mukesh Ambani had anything to with the former’s induction into the cabinet. There is a reference to Praful Patel as “minister for Naresh Goyal of Jet Airways” and “now the minister for Vijay Mallya of Kingfisher Airlines”.

N.K. Singh: Jitin Prasada has made it good because he’s got petroleum as the MoS where he can do a lot because the incompetence of Murli (Deora) is proverbial. Every time a question comes up in any House of Parliament he is more busy trying to appease that questioner. Perhaps Mukesh (Ambani) has swung it for him because there is a continuity in the petroleum ministry. But Murli is an incompetent minister, he may be a good man. So, hopefully, there is a chance for Jitin Prasada to do something. That’s the other comment I have. Otherwise, in terms of the finance ministry, it’s pretty much...I was all the time convinced that Montek will not make it.

Niira Radia: Yeah.

NK: Because he tried much earlier, you know, during the transition...and didn’t cut ice. And this time pitted against Pranab (Mukherjee), there was no chance.

NR: What about Planning Commission? Will he go back to that?

NK: Yeah, yeah, he’s been told he will go back to some cosmetic changes there and bide time. I mean the best bet for him would be if he can try the Rajya Sabha ticket of Jaiprakash Aggarwal which will be one seat in Delhi which will be vacant. If he can’t do that, then in August, there are seven nominated MPs whose posts are falling vacant. One of them is Bimal Jalan (former RBI governor) and unhesitatingly, Montek is as much of a professional economist as Bimal.

NR: Correct.

 

 

‘But he has destroyed the sector. Look at the way he has de stroyed the national carrier.’

 

 

NK: And so I think, you know, he can try for that, of course, if you become a nominated MP, you cannot become a minister, doesn’t prevent him from becoming a deputy chairman so that’s the thing there to be seen and watched. Jairam has a very good assignment. I spoke to him in the morning and Environment and Forests is going to be a very important responsibility in the next two years with Copenhagen and the world in general becoming more conscious about global warming and expecting us to undertake a lot of measures, so that’s that.

NR: Is he happy with it? I was told he may not be happy.

NK: He is very happy. But let me tell you there are a couple of things. There is a degree of temporariness in this because the sparring between the Congress and the ncp will increase in the next two months as you draw close to the Maharashtra elections. As it is, yesterday on the TV, there was sparring between Prithviraj Chauhan and Praful Patel. By the way, Praful would be very unhappy, because every old guy has been given an elevation, leg up. But he has been kept waiting. He could have been made cabinet minister for civil aviation.

NR: But he has destroyed the sector. I am sorry....I do have a view on this. He hasn’t done justice to the sector.

NK: I think he has worked as a minister for Naresh Goyal (Jet Airways).

NR: Now he works for Mallya. That’s it. Look at the way he has destroyed the national carrier.

NK: The national carrier has gone into decline. In my view they should have shuffled him around a bit. But I guess this shuffle would come depending on the dynamics in the next two months on how they do the Maharashtra (assembly) thing...so this is one area to be watched. The other area to be watched is the mercurial behaviour of Mamata, she is as it is against disinvestment, privatisation, so she may act as a carrier of many of the ideas which were earlier attributed to the Left. Their interest in us continues in a manner of things because Jairam asked me what’s JD(U) deciding to do and the fact that they have virtually zero presence in Bihar is an indication of...of...keeping...

NR: ...the door open?

NK: Yeah, because they had an option taking Laloo and Raghuvansh. (But) they kept the door open. They had an option of taking that fellow Digvijay Singh who won as an independent. They didn’t, so that option remains open. But we have to make up our mind and the strategy...we are going to brainstorm—you and me—one of these days. Haan, okay?

NR: Sure, sure.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Deora Said, There Is Too Much Pressure...Let The Media Get Diverted’

Manoj Warrier, Niira Radia’s colleague

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/unknown_thumb.jpgRadia talks to Warrier, who refers to a conversation he had with Reliance’s P.M.S. Prasad. On the matter of raging rumours about a settlement between the Ambani brothers, Warrier reports what Prasad says happened in a conversation with petroleum minister Murli Deora—who leaked it to the media (“too much pressure being built”) in order to “deflect” attention from the real matter—the dividing up of resources, including gas.

Manoj Warrier: The other is, then he (P.M.S. Prasad) said that you know, that we should tighten our intelligence a little more. You know this entire settlement story, you know where it is coming from? Murli Deora has given this story... I (Prasad) was sitting with him (Deora) and he (Deora) said that you know there is too much pressure being built, so let me deflect it, let me say, “settlement”. So I told him ‘Uncle kyon kar rahe ho aap aise’? So he said, no-no, there is too much pressure being built, so let the media get diverted a little. I (Manoj) said I’m not...Sir I’m not sure whether, I mean...I’m sure that is true. But I also can tell you that Y.P. Trivedi has been talking, saying that he is going to ask Mukesh to look into how he can settle this issue. So he said ‘OK’. Then he said that you know, Amitabh Jhunjhunwala and Chalsani are not talking to the press. Hmm...Amitabh is away in the US, and Chalsani is somewhere in Vijayawada on a holiday.

NR: Chalsani is...?

MW: Away in...

NR: Is where?

MW: Vijayawada. On a holiday...

NR: Manoj? Hello?

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Haan. Of Course... (I Can talk To Shankar Aiyar)’

Vishal Mehta, June 20, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/unknown_thumb.jpgRadia chats with Vaishnavi CEO Vishal Mehta on reading ex-India Today editor Prabhu Chawla’s “mind” on the gas dispute.



Niira Radia: Vishal?

Vishal Mehta: Haan.

NR: Vishal, Shankar Aiyar se baat karo.

VM: Hmm.

NR: Kyonki, Prabhu (Chawla) ka call gaya abhi Ranjan ko.

VM: Hmm.

NR: Ranjan Bhattacharya ko, ki...

VM: Hmm, hmm.

NR: Mukesh se baat kara de, Anil is way ahead. Ask Mukesh to be careful and this, that and the other...

VM: Hmm.

NR: Toh maine Prabhu ko phone kiya, woh lunch pe hain.

VM: Hmm.

NR: Lekin, he will call me back.

VM: Hmm.

NR: But in the meantime tum ek baar Shankar Aiyar se baat kar ke mujhe feedback de do jaldi ki.... Just understand from Shankar ki key points kya aa rahe hain.

VM: Hmm, hmm, hmm.

NR: Shankar ka ek understanding hota hai na. Tum baat to kar sakte ho Shankar ke saath?

VM: Haan. Of course.

NR: Ek baar baat kar lo please, mujhe phone kar do. Because before I speak to Prabhu I need to know what his mind is, haan.

NR: Theek hai.

VM: Okay, okay, thanks, bye.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘It’s A Bit Like Shivji’s Baraat ...(Which Had) Scorpions, Serpents, Tame Deer...’

N.K. Singh, May 29, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/nk_singh_thumb.jpgRadia is calling up N.K. Singh to seek his views on the new cabinet. For Singh, it’s more of a jumbo cabinet, akin to Lord Shiva’s baraat that included many species of fauna. Kamal Nath’s alleged penchant for corruption gets reinforced in this conversation in which Singh says that divesting him of the commerce minister’s portfolio was an indication that he had crossed the line.

Niira Radia: Hi! Hi! I am sorry we’ve not been able to connect. How are you?

N.K. Singh: Hi, how are you?

NR: I am very well.

NK: Lot of fun and games...no?

NR: Isn’t it, yes...yes...isn’t it? What does it look like? I mean, what do you think of the new cabinet?

NK: Ok. It’s a bit of a what in Hindi...I can’t explain to you, there is a particular proverb in Hindi...which says: Shivji ki baraat...

NR: Ha, ha...achchha.

NK: He, he...means the baraat of Shivji consisted of many varieties and many species...from scorpions, serpents to elephants to tame deer and....

It has a bit of a jumbo staff, which will have to be seen. By and large, conventional wisdom has prevailed in giving the key departments to the old and trusted. Some surprise elements...hmm...a spectacular jump for Anand Sharma.

NR: Yeah...what do you make of that?

NK: I am still puzzled. Because I knew he was close to 10, Janpath. But in the meantime, he had done a lot to cultivate the PM...uh...personally...you know...PMO...hanging around (Kutty) Nair’s (principal secretary in the PMO) room...PM’s. And in the I&B, when he was given...you know...he was in touch with PMO (not clear) which he believes has paid off, in terms of a strategy.

So this is...but I still don’t think I have been able to say the last word on this...okay?

NR: Okay.

NK: So, this is one. The other thing is a spectacular decline of Kamal Nath...

NR: Yes.

NK: That, I explain, and by the way, to make matters worse for him, even shipping has been taken away from him.

NR: Yeah...Wasan has got that.

NK: Wasan’s got that...which means he’s just literally left...he’s on the roads.

NR: Literally, on the roads...(laughs)

NK: Literally on the road... So...well, you can always hide it by saying that highways are, after all, one black point of that government and they want to make up with it, but I think there’s much more than meets the eye and I think that, you know, a lot of the stuff which you and I know is going on...somehow got noticed and reported...some ways it is supposed to also give a signal that perhaps it had been overdone, I mean...whatever...and the fact that also Baalu was kept out, of the roads.

NR: Well, that was more of Karunanidhi’s decision because he’s under pressure from his family.

NK: Yeah, but on the other hand, he...even if he had...had come, he would not have gone back to the same charge of old.

NR: Of course not, of course not.

NK: So I think in Kamal Nath’s case, it’s a clear indication that look, enough is enough, I don’t think right now he needs another atm. He has one going for many years and...there’s enough for him...which is...so that’s the other thing....

Jyotiraditya has made it good. Getting MoS...he didn’t make it to an independent charge...but he has got a pretty important thing in commerce and industry, with a young man, Anand Sharma, to work with.

So, good for Jyotir, I think. It is an opportunity to do a lot because it is a big charge...you know...I have been in that ministry...it is a big charge, Niira. wto will gather momentum...but though not this year. wto does not only depend on us...it depends on...

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Sunil (Mittal) Has Lobbied Against Him (Raja), I Believe’

Tarun Das, May 22, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/tarun_das_thumb.jpgIn this conversation between Niira Radia and the former CII head, they discuss cabinet formation in UPA-II. Radia wants Tarun Das to convey to the Congress that its leaders should talk to Kanimozhi, not to Dayanidhi Maran. She also pushes A. Raja for the telecom portfolio. The conversation reveals the divide in the Karunanidhi family, with Azhagiri and Kanimozhi on one side and the Marans on the other. 

Tarun Das: I’m going to South Africa for two matches tonight. And now I’m going in for the swearing-in ceremony for which I have been invited without your friends from the DMK.

Niira Radia: Yeah... But can you please tell the Congress, please, they are listening to Dayanidhi Maran. They are talking to the wrong people. Karunanidhi does not even know what’s going on. He gave them (Congress) a list on Monday night, which was Dayanidhi Maran for railways; Azhagiri, surface (transport); Kanimozhi, health; power, Baalu; and telecom, Raja.

TD: Yeah.

NR: He (Karunanidhi) knew power and railways would get dropped. He needed them (Congress) to come back and say I cannot give you this and this. He’d have dealt with the rest of it himself. Instead, Congress went into a bit of a tizzy, didn’t know what they were saying to him, and it went all wrong and it allowed for Dayanidhi Maran to drive the bargaining. Whatever they’re telling Dayanidhi is not going back to Karunanidhi in its correct form. He’s (Maran) distorting everything that’s going to him.

TD: Hmm...

NR: He’s (Karunanidhi) got one daughter saying she will commit suicide and his wife saying I will do this.... So if the Congress dealt with that list they may have got away with just two members of cabinet, because Azhagiri had agreed to be MoS independent if Dayanidhi was not made a cabinet minister.

TD: Yeah...

 

 

‘I’ll take (Raja) to him. Sunil has been very arrogant too.’

 

 

NR: But Dayanidhi kept saying to his leader that Congress and Ahmed Patel have been in touch with him and Ahmed Patel has asked him to come for the swearing-in, while the leader has not authorised him to negotiate. They should have dealt with it through Kanimozhi who has been with him right through. Even the PM did that. They should have gone through Kanimozhi and she would have taken them directly to her father. The matter would have been resolved there. He does not want four. The only reason that four are being asked is because Azhagiri cannot be an MoS when Maran is a cabinet minister. So when they offered three and Maran kept on telling them that they wanted him to be a cabinet minister...

TD: Why don’t they keep Maran out? Why do they have to have Maran?

NR: He (Karunanidhi) needs a little help from the Congress on that because he thinks that Congress is supporting Maran. If Congress gives him a message that we have not given any message to Maran at all then they will get away with two cabinet because Kanimozhi and Azhagiri have both agreed that we will stick to MoS independent and Raja and Baalu can come—it does not matter—or we will bring someone new (instead of Baalu).

TD: Manmohan Singh does not want Raja and Baalu.

NR: He’s okay with Raja but he does not want Baalu.

TD: Yeah, Baalu has been terrible.

NR: He does not want Baalu so if someone can tell that to Karunanidhi about Baalu he’ll be fine with that. But he’s said about Raja that he cannot leave him out because he is a Dalit. I have to keep him in. And he’s closest so he won’t leave him out.

TD: But can he be put somewhere apart from telecom?

NR: You are far better having Raja in telecom because... he will behave himself. Trust me, he will behave himself.

TD: But there are too many people against him.

NR: That’s only Sunil Mittal...Raja has promised he will speak to Sunil Mittal and deal with the matter.

TD: Sunil has lobbied against him, I believe, I haven’t talked to Sunil.

NR: But telecom is being given to them (DMK) and I will tell you one thing that Karunanidhi will give telecom only to Raja and not to Dayanidhi. He’s very clear about that.

TD: Okay. I will talk to them (Congress).

NR: I can assure Sunil this will not be a problem. Raja will not go against him. He has to trust me on that one.

TD: Okay.

NR: I’ll take him (Raja) to him...Sunil has been very arrogant with him as well....it’s not just one-sided...if he hadn’t been the way he was this problem wouldn’t have arisen.

TD: Okay, I will talk (to Congress). I will let you know.

NR: But tell them to talk through Kanimozhi...

TD: Okay, done.

NR: Just let them know that even Karunanidhi is no great shakes about Baalu or Maran if Congress gives them (DMK) a little hint. They should just say that we are not pushing for Maran and Congress will drop him like a hot potato. They hate him.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Haan. Of Course... (I Can talk To Shankar Aiyar)’

Vishal Mehta, June 20, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/unknown_thumb.jpgRadia chats with Vaishnavi CEO Vishal Mehta on reading ex-India Today editor Prabhu Chawla’s “mind” on the gas dispute.



Niira Radia: Vishal?

Vishal Mehta: Haan.

NR: Vishal, Shankar Aiyar se baat karo.

VM: Hmm.

NR: Kyonki, Prabhu (Chawla) ka call gaya abhi Ranjan ko.

VM: Hmm.

NR: Ranjan Bhattacharya ko, ki...

VM: Hmm, hmm.

NR: Mukesh se baat kara de, Anil is way ahead. Ask Mukesh to be careful and this, that and the other...

VM: Hmm.

NR: Toh maine Prabhu ko phone kiya, woh lunch pe hain.

VM: Hmm.

NR: Lekin, he will call me back.

VM: Hmm.

NR: But in the meantime tum ek baar Shankar Aiyar se baat kar ke mujhe feedback de do jaldi ki.... Just understand from Shankar ki key points kya aa rahe hain.

VM: Hmm, hmm, hmm.

NR: Shankar ka ek understanding hota hai na. Tum baat to kar sakte ho Shankar ke saath?

VM: Haan. Of course.

NR: Ek baar baat kar lo please, mujhe phone kar do. Because before I speak to Prabhu I need to know what his mind is, haan.

NR: Theek hai.

VM: Okay, okay, thanks, bye.

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RADIAGATE-II

‘It’s A Bit Like Shivji’s Baraat ...(Which Had) Scorpions, Serpents, Tame Deer...’

N.K. Singh, May 29, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/nk_singh_thumb.jpgRadia is calling up N.K. Singh to seek his views on the new cabinet. For Singh, it’s more of a jumbo cabinet, akin to Lord Shiva’s baraat that included many species of fauna. Kamal Nath’s alleged penchant for corruption gets reinforced in this conversation in which Singh says that divesting him of the commerce minister’s portfolio was an indication that he had crossed the line.

Niira Radia: Hi! Hi! I am sorry we’ve not been able to connect. How are you?

N.K. Singh: Hi, how are you?

NR: I am very well.

NK: Lot of fun and games...no?

NR: Isn’t it, yes...yes...isn’t it? What does it look like? I mean, what do you think of the new cabinet?

NK: Ok. It’s a bit of a what in Hindi...I can’t explain to you, there is a particular proverb in Hindi...which says: Shivji ki baraat...

NR: Ha, ha...achchha.

NK: He, he...means the baraat of Shivji consisted of many varieties and many species...from scorpions, serpents to elephants to tame deer and....

It has a bit of a jumbo staff, which will have to be seen. By and large, conventional wisdom has prevailed in giving the key departments to the old and trusted. Some surprise elements...hmm...a spectacular jump for Anand Sharma.

NR: Yeah...what do you make of that?

NK: I am still puzzled. Because I knew he was close to 10, Janpath. But in the meantime, he had done a lot to cultivate the PM...uh...personally...you know...PMO...hanging around (Kutty) Nair’s (principal secretary in the PMO) room...PM’s. And in the I&B, when he was given...you know...he was in touch with PMO (not clear) which he believes has paid off, in terms of a strategy.

So this is...but I still don’t think I have been able to say the last word on this...okay?

NR: Okay.

NK: So, this is one. The other thing is a spectacular decline of Kamal Nath...

NR: Yes.

NK: That, I explain, and by the way, to make matters worse for him, even shipping has been taken away from him.

NR: Yeah...Wasan has got that.

NK: Wasan’s got that...which means he’s just literally left...he’s on the roads.

NR: Literally, on the roads...(laughs)

NK: Literally on the road... So...well, you can always hide it by saying that highways are, after all, one black point of that government and they want to make up with it, but I think there’s much more than meets the eye and I think that, you know, a lot of the stuff which you and I know is going on...somehow got noticed and reported...some ways it is supposed to also give a signal that perhaps it had been overdone, I mean...whatever...and the fact that also Baalu was kept out, of the roads.

NR: Well, that was more of Karunanidhi’s decision because he’s under pressure from his family.

NK: Yeah, but on the other hand, he...even if he had...had come, he would not have gone back to the same charge of old.

NR: Of course not, of course not.

NK: So I think in Kamal Nath’s case, it’s a clear indication that look, enough is enough, I don’t think right now he needs another atm. He has one going for many years and...there’s enough for him...which is...so that’s the other thing....

Jyotiraditya has made it good. Getting MoS...he didn’t make it to an independent charge...but he has got a pretty important thing in commerce and industry, with a young man, Anand Sharma, to work with.

So, good for Jyotir, I think. It is an opportunity to do a lot because it is a big charge...you know...I have been in that ministry...it is a big charge, Niira. wto will gather momentum...but though not this year. wto does not only depend on us...it depends on...

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Sunil (Mittal) Has Lobbied Against Him (Raja), I Believe’

Tarun Das, May 22, 2009

In this conversation between Niira Radia and the former CII head, they discuss cabinet formation in UPA-II. Radia wants Tarun Das to convey to the Congress that its leaders should talk to Kanimozhi, not to Dayanidhi Maran. She also pushes A. Raja for the telecom portfolio. The conversation reveals the divide in the Karunanidhi family, with Azhagiri and Kanimozhi on one side and the Marans on the other. 

Tarun Das: I’m going to South Africa for two matches tonight. And now I’m going in for the swearing-in ceremony for which I have been invited without your friends from the DMK.

Niira Radia: Yeah... But can you please tell the Congress, please, they are listening to Dayanidhi Maran. They are talking to the wrong people. Karunanidhi does not even know what’s going on. He gave them (Congress) a list on Monday night, which was Dayanidhi Maran for railways; Azhagiri, surface (transport); Kanimozhi, health; power, Baalu; and telecom, Raja.

TD: Yeah.

NR: He (Karunanidhi) knew power and railways would get dropped. He needed them (Congress) to come back and say I cannot give you this and this. He’d have dealt with the rest of it himself. Instead, Congress went into a bit of a tizzy, didn’t know what they were saying to him, and it went all wrong and it allowed for Dayanidhi Maran to drive the bargaining. Whatever they’re telling Dayanidhi is not going back to Karunanidhi in its correct form. He’s (Maran) distorting everything that’s going to him.

TD: Hmm...

NR: He’s (Karunanidhi) got one daughter saying she will commit suicide and his wife saying I will do this.... So if the Congress dealt with that list they may have got away with just two members of cabinet, because Azhagiri had agreed to be MoS independent if Dayanidhi was not made a cabinet minister.

TD: Yeah...

 

 

‘I’ll take (Raja) to him. Sunil has been very arrogant too.’

 

 

NR: But Dayanidhi kept saying to his leader that Congress and Ahmed Patel have been in touch with him and Ahmed Patel has asked him to come for the swearing-in, while the leader has not authorised him to negotiate. They should have dealt with it through Kanimozhi who has been with him right through. Even the PM did that. They should have gone through Kanimozhi and she would have taken them directly to her father. The matter would have been resolved there. He does not want four. The only reason that four are being asked is because Azhagiri cannot be an MoS when Maran is a cabinet minister. So when they offered three and Maran kept on telling them that they wanted him to be a cabinet minister...

TD: Why don’t they keep Maran out? Why do they have to have Maran?

NR: He (Karunanidhi) needs a little help from the Congress on that because he thinks that Congress is supporting Maran. If Congress gives him a message that we have not given any message to Maran at all then they will get away with two cabinet because Kanimozhi and Azhagiri have both agreed that we will stick to MoS independent and Raja and Baalu can come—it does not matter—or we will bring someone new (instead of Baalu).

TD: Manmohan Singh does not want Raja and Baalu.

NR: He’s okay with Raja but he does not want Baalu.

TD: Yeah, Baalu has been terrible.

NR: He does not want Baalu so if someone can tell that to Karunanidhi about Baalu he’ll be fine with that. But he’s said about Raja that he cannot leave him out because he is a Dalit. I have to keep him in. And he’s closest so he won’t leave him out.

TD: But can he be put somewhere apart from telecom?

NR: You are far better having Raja in telecom because... he will behave himself. Trust me, he will behave himself.

TD: But there are too many people against him.

NR: That’s only Sunil Mittal...Raja has promised he will speak to Sunil Mittal and deal with the matter.

TD: Sunil has lobbied against him, I believe, I haven’t talked to Sunil.

NR: But telecom is being given to them (DMK) and I will tell you one thing that Karunanidhi will give telecom only to Raja and not to Dayanidhi. He’s very clear about that.

TD: Okay. I will talk to them (Congress).

NR: I can assure Sunil this will not be a problem. Raja will not go against him. He has to trust me on that one.

TD: Okay.

NR: I’ll take him (Raja) to him...Sunil has been very arrogant with him as well....it’s not just one-sided...if he hadn’t been the way he was this problem wouldn’t have arisen.

TD: Okay, I will talk (to Congress). I will let you know.

NR: But tell them to talk through Kanimozhi...

TD: Okay, done.

NR: Just let them know that even Karunanidhi is no great shakes about Baalu or Maran if Congress gives them (DMK) a little hint. They should just say that we are not pushing for Maran and Congress will drop him like a hot potato. They hate him.

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COVER STORY RADIAGATE-II

‘(Was ET’s Bodhi Angry With SBI/RBI) For Allowing The Bank Guarantee?’

Yatish, June 1, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/unknown_thumb.jpgRadia is talking to Yatish, a colleague, about a meeting with A. Raja. She also discusses how Vir Sanghvi has agreed to do a series of interviews and take questions framed by her. Additionally, she has a complaint against Bodhisattva Ganguli, resident editor, Economic Times, Mumbai.

Niira Radia: Hello, yes?

Y: Ma’am, Yatish here.

NR: Kya hua woh conference call ka?

Y: Ma’am...Raja has still not confirmed.

NR: Aaj mera Raja (meeting) hai. I am running from pillar to post today.

Y: Mere ko pata hai. Maine morning mein bhi message dala tha. Toh his thing was that we still have to check.

NR: I am right now rushing between a few things. Tell him to confirm. Main aa jaoongi, chaar-paanch baje tak office. If I can finish early enough with Kani (Kanimozhi) and I can come as quickly as I can.

Y: Okay.

NR: Tum ek kaam karna. I am on my way to Gurgaon from South Avenue. I will reach, er, back at CP, probably 4.30. Now do me one favour. Take out the printout (of the budget). Also take out the creditors’ list...complete...previous creditors, right? Manoj Warrier se baat kara lo. Tell him, Vir Sanghvi ka interview CNN-IBN, CNBC...he wants to interview Mukesh Ambani. So, Manoj needs to send me a mail and also needs to prepare the questions Vir Sanghvi should ask Mukesh. He’s agreed to do what we suggest. It’s a fresh series of interviews for the next few weeks but he wants to start with Mukesh Ambani or Ratan Tata. Ek mail bhej do, meri mail se, Debashish ko, Ravi Kant ko and Jonathan and Vishal, to say that I had a call with Bodhisattva Ganguli from ET (Economic Times), he is the resident editor (in Mumbai). He had called me for something else. He sounded very disturbed that RBI should have allowed this (a bank guarantee) and was questioning the behind-the-scene effort that would have gone on for Tata to achieve this through SBI. I smell a serious agenda here. Right? We already know that Bodhi is very well-entrenched with another (Anil Ambani) group. I am just alerting you. It matters with us. We must take notice of this. He was almost sounding angry with both SBI and RBI for having even allowed this.

Y: For allowing this bank guarantee to go through?

NR: Yeah. I smell a very serious agenda with ET, Bombay. I am just flagging this off now because it’s important. He was almost crying on the phone...I questioned his intentions on this, and said to him...“you should be happy that corporates are being supported”. He didn’t have an answer to it.


The print magazine erroneously mentioned the date of this conversation as May 29, 2009

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RADIAGATE-II

‘Listen, We Have A Problem Here. Our Salaries Are Due But Money Hasn’t Come’

Jehangir Pocha, May 29, 2009

http://cms.outlookindia.com/Uploads/outlookindia/2010/20101220/jehangir_s_pocha_thumb.jpgThis conversation between the operations head of news channel NewsX and Niira Radia shows how she virtually controls and funds the channel.



Niira Radia: Ya?

Jehangir Pocha: Hi. Listen, we have a big problem here.

NR: What?

JP: Our salaries are due but money has not come in yet.

NR: Salaries are...when are they due?

JP: Due on first, na?

NR: Haan...toh aa jayega first ko.

JP: First is Monday.

NR: Haan, toh tumhe Monday release karna hai na, payments ko? I don’t know how much Rajeev has asked. Maine budget to bhej diya.

JP: Listen to me, na. Today is Friday. Even if it comes (on Monday) we have to issue our own money and cheques.

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