G-Z2003


This is the home page for men predicted 2003+ or confirmed so.

M201
        P287
              P15
                   L1259
                          L30
                                 CTS5762
                                        P303
                                                L140
                                                       U1
                                                                    L13
                                                                     Z2022
                                                                            Z2003

The above diagram shows Z2003's position in the G tree.  It is the youngest of a
series of mutations, each one covering fewer persons as the tree branched.
All  Z2003 men have all the mutations shown above it in the tree.

A separate page exists for each of these mutations and the persons covered by them.
See tabs on left.   The G-L140, G-P287 and G-M201 pages have significant additional
information.  

Z2003 has two SNP-defined subgroups, that of Z29424 and Z2017
But we have also included on this page the subgroups of Z2003 defined by
shared marker value oddities.  When whole sequencing identifies the SNP mutations
that define these same subgroups, they will be renamed according to the SNPs and
given their own pages.  We do not know how these marker subgroups related to
each other, and SNP-defining items are more reliable.  The marker-defined subgroups
are DYS454=12 and DYS534 less than 15. Men in these subgroups also have each other 
as the men with the closest similarity when 67 markers are compared.
             
Virtually all men throughout all components of Z2003 seem to share two very
characteristic marker values.  The first is as DYS385a value of less than 14.  And they
also have YCA values of 19/20.  Each of these markers are subjects to rare additional
mutations so a few men with have different values.  These marker values are seen
also in other components of U1.

Age of Z2003

The age of the overall U1/L13 group has been calculated using a method that
counts the number of SNP mutations in whole genome sequencing as about 12,000
years old.   Inevitably this calculation can be made also for Z2003 and its subgroups
when whole genome sequencing is done on men in those groupings.  Using the
information from 67 marker comparisons, this suggests that Z2003 might be in the
range of 5,000-7,000 years old.  However, Francalacci et al. in their 2013 study
of Sardinia provided information that suggests the common male ancestor of 
the Z2003 men there lived abt 9,600 yrs ago using the most widely accepted
Y-DNA mutation rate.

The DYS454=12 subgroup does not seem much over 500 yrs to the common male
ancestor.    The DYS534 less than 15 group is a bit older.

Geographical Distribution of Z2003

The striking feature of Z2003 is that the great majority of the samples presently are seen
within the confines of Europe, which is an uncommon finding.

Several years ago, the samples available within the G Project were analyzed and
men reporting the following ancestries and seeming Z2003+ status made up these
percentage of G samples in Europe.

Germany, 16%.....Italy, 11%.....Netherlands, 10%.....France, 10%.....Poland, 9%.....Spain, 9%
.....Ireland, 6%.....England, 5%.....Switzerland, 4%

Using unique value combinations seen in Z2003, the percentage of Z2003 in G men can be
estimated in various locales.  These are Z2003 numbers per likely G men at various sites,
mostly from samples in the YHRD public database:
NE ITALY Emilia Romagna 0/5, Venice 0/9, Bologna 1/7, Val Badio 0/1, NW ITALY
Lombardy 0/9, Liguria 1/5, CENTRAL ITALY Latium 2/10, Umbria 0/4, Marche 2/10,
Tuscany 2/10, Central Tuscany, 0/3, n.e. Latium 1/7, W. Campania, 0/4, Tuscany-
Latium border 0/10, Apennine Marche 0/4, Central Marche 0/6, n.w. Apulia 1/6,
S. E. ITALY Puglia 0/5, S. Apulia 1/8, S.W. ITALY W. Calabria 0/8, SICILY 7 small
towns 0/12, island wide 1/10, SARDINIA southeast 1/26, Sorgono in highlands 0/12,
Tempio in north 1/13 ELBA 0/10,  IBIZA 0/7, MAJORCA 0/4, MINORCA 0/0,
N. E. SPAIN Barcelona 0/8, Pyrenees 0/3, N. CENTRAL SPAIN Basques 0/4, Asturias
3/5, Cantabria 0/5, Madrid 0/7, E. CENTRAL SPAIN Valencia 0/2, S. CENTRAL SPAIN
Andalucia 0/1, W. CENTRAL SPAIN Caceres 0/4 N.W. SPAIN Santiago de Compostela
1/4 PORTUGAL Central 0/30, North 1/26, South 0/5,  E. CENTRAL FRANCE Lyon 0/7,
CENTRAL FRANCE Paris 0/2, N. E. France Strasbourg 1/6,  SWITZERLAND all 2/7,
N. W. SWITZERLAND Bern 0/4, W. SWITZERLAND Lausanne 0/10, BELGIUM/HOLLAND
Brussels 1/6, Groningen, 0/3, Leiden 1/8, Leuven 1/6, Zeeland 0/1, S.W. GERMANY
Freiburg 5/28, Stuttgart 1/33, S. E. GERMANY Munich 4/20, W. CENTRAL GERMANY
Cologne 1/12, Duesseldorf 1/10, N. CENTRAL GERMANY Hamburg 1/10, N. E. GERMANY
Rostock 1/10, Berlin 4/27, Leipzig 7/41, Chemnitz 0/35 ENGLAND Birmingham 0/1
IRELAND countrywide 1/2, GREENLAND, 0/0, ICELAND 0/0 DENMARK 1/7, 
ESTONIA 0/0, LITHUANIA 0/2, NORTH POLAND Bydgoszcz 0/4, Bialystok Tatars 0/7,
Bialystock Old Believers 0/0, Byelorussians 0/2, Others at Bialystock 0/2, SOUTH POLAND
Krakow 0/3, CZECH REP.  Central Bohemia 6/13, HUNGARY Budapest 0/8, Szegeds 0/1,
SOUTHEAST AUSTRIA, Graz 1/2. WEST AUSTRIA, Tyrol 1/23
ROMANIA Skelelys 1/8, Countrywide 1/1, Lunca de Sus 0/7, Miercurea Cuic 0/3, 
BULGARIA 0/9, CROATIA Zagreb 0/3, Krk Island 0/0, 
BOSNIA-HERZEGOVINA Doboj-Banja 0/1, ALBANIA all 0/2, MACEDONIA 1/6,
CENTRAL GREECE 0/2, Athens, 0/7,  CYPRUS 0/22, LIBYA 0/5, 
TUNISIA Tunis 0/0, Andalusia Arabs 0/0, Berbers 0/0, Zriba 0/0    

The Rootsi et al. study in 2012 for the first time provided L13+ samples from outside
Europe.  These were listed as M527 samples (another name for the L78 alternative
to L13).  One each was found among the Abazas and Abkhaz of the western Caucasus;
one each from Georgia, Armenia, Estonia, Belarus and three from the Ukraine.  Three
were found among the Druze of the Levant, one among Palestinians and an amazing
five among 30 Iranian Azeri.  There were no other samples from Iran.  This 17% among
Iranian Azeri is higher than anything reported in Europe.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azeri
The status of these non-Europeans for L13's subgroup Z2003 is not determined.

Francalacci et al. in 2013 provided info that almost 10% of G persons in Sardinia
are Z2022+ and thus probably Z2003+.

The DYS454-12 subgroup is overwhelmingly British in ancestry as is the DYS534 less
than 15 group.

Origins of Z2003

Because Z2003 has a heavy concentration in Europe, speculation will arise that it originated
there.  This is certainly a possibility, but if the original Z2003 group consisted of a
small family band that intermarried within it then they could have lived most
anywhere and then moved to Europe en masse.  Because the sister group of L13/Z2003 has
a heavy concentration in the western Caucasus Mountains, Z2003's forebears 
may have initially lived there.  But it is also possible that both sister groups lived
somewhere else and migrated independently to both Europe and the Caucasus. 
And we have from the Rootsi study that there is a concentration in Iran, a country
from which we have few samples presently.
DNA testing of ancient skeletons has the best chance of resolving the possibilities.

There are no hints at present how and where the marker-defined subgroup broke 
off from the main group..

Z2003-related Maps

On the Project Roster, subgroups have their own maps.   
Look at top left of map and choose the Z2003 subgroup.  Just below this are the maps for the 
subgroups of Z2003.

Source Information

Rootsi and others in 2012 provided "M527" samples which are more likely mostly Z2003. 

Francalacci and others in 2013 provided info about Z2022 men in Sardinia likely Z2003
supplement has info.

Results likely Z2003+                                                                                                          

                                                                                        Marker designations in blue       

Kit No.
Surname
Ancestral.origin
 
Haplo
Code
 
YSearch
Link
39339019
(394)
391385
a
385
b
426388439389
i
392389
ii
458459
a
459
b
455454447437448449464
a
464
b
464
c
464
d
464
e
464
f
460GATA
H4
YCA
IIa
YCA
IIb
456607576570CDY
a
CDY
b
442438531578395
S1a
395
S1b
590537641472406
S1
511425413
a
413
b
557594436490534450444481520446617568487572640492565441461463445452YGATA
A10
YGATA
H4.1
462GGAAT
1807
635
 
YHRD sample
CologneGermany
 
 
14221510121411121212112919162011151021
 
YHRD sample
WroclawPoland
 
 
14221510121411121212112920162011151021
 
YHRD sample
USEuroAmerican
 
 
14221510121411121212112919162111151020
 
YHRD sample
USHispanic
 
 
14221510121411121312112918162111141021

     YHRD is a worldwide public database

There is nothing really different among the Near Eastern and Iranian samples in the Rootsi study that distinguishes them from European ones.

Special Testing

The following Z2003 men presumed negative for the Z2003 subgroups have the following results
for newer, poorly defined SNP mutations:  [some persons inferred to be Z2003+]
                                                     item in red is L1623 subgrp   + means positive, - means negative               

L72-  Christy, Hall, Jacques, Vaillant
L78+ Beiler, Cestari, Christy, Del, Frederick, Guenther, Jacques, Lees, Martin, Miller, Peachey, Vaillant
L79+ Jacques, Vaillant
L90-  Jacques, Vaillant
L116+ Jacques, Vaillant
L139-  Christy, Jacques, Vaillant
L142+ Christy, Jacques, Vaillant
L154+ Christy, Hall, Jacques, Martin, Peachey, Vaillant
L156+ Christy, Hall, Jacques, Martin, Peachey, Vaillant
L183-  Jacques, Vaillant
L190+ Jacques, Vaillant
L204+ Jacques, Vaillant
L269+ Jacques, Vaillant
L297- Jacques, Vaillant
L353.1- Jacques, Vaillant
L377- Jacques, Vaillant
L382+ Jacques, Vaillant
L402+ Jacques, Vaillant
L486- Jacques, Vaillant
L496+ Jacques, Vaillant
L519+ Jacques, Vaillant
L520+ Jacques
L521+ Jacques, Vaillant
L522+ Jacques
L523+ Jacques, Vaillant
L605+ Jacques, Vaillant
L640-  Jacques, Vaillant
L654.2- Jacques, Vaillant
L660-  Jacques, Vaillant
L661- Jacques, Vaillant
L662- Jacques, Vaillant
L668- Vaillant
L694- Jacques, Vaillant
L697.1- Jacques, Vaillant
L698- Jacques, Vaillant
L770+ Jacques, Vaillant
L830- Jacques, Vaillant
L831- Jacques, Vaillant
L832- Jacques, Vaillant
L833- Jacques, Vaillant
L835- Jacques, Vaillant
L836+ Jacques, Vaillant
L837+ Jacques, Vaillant
L1256+ Jacques
L1256- Vaillant, Vorster
L1257+ Jacques, Vaillant
L1258+ Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster
L1259+ Jacques, Vaillant
L1260+ Jacques, Vaillant
L1261-  Vaillant, Vorster
L1262- Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster
L1263- Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster    
L1264- Jacques, Vaillant
L1265- Jacques, Vaillant
L1266- Jacques, Vaillant
L1268- Jacques, Vaillant
L1269+  Vaillant
L1269-   Jacques, Vorster
L1270+  Vaillant
L1270-   Jacques, Vorster
L1271-   Vaillant, Vorster
L1343+  Vorster, CAG175      these 3 found + in L-13+, Z2022-  WTY participant
L1344+  Vorster, CAG175
L1354-   Vorster, CAG175 
Page25- Jacques
Page99- Jacques, Vaillant
U5+       Jacques, Vaillant
Z724-     Jacques
Z725-     Jacques, Vaillant
Z1901-   Jacques, Vaillant, CAG175, 
Z1903-   Jacques, Vaillant
Z1981-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z1981+  NA19747
Z1991+  Jacques, Vaillant, VorsterCAG175, NA19747
Z1992+  Jacques, VaillantCAG175, NA19747
Z1993+  Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175, NA19747
Z2002-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2002+  NA19747    dubious area
Z2003+  Jacques, Vorster, NA19747                 ........Z2003 seems new subgroup
Z2003-   CAG175
Z2005+  Jacques, VorsterCAG175NA19747
Z2006+  Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175NA19747
Z2007-   Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2007+  NA19747
Z2009-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2009+  NA19747
Z2010-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2010+  NA19747
Z2011-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2011+  NA19747
Z2013+  Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175NA19747
Z2014+  Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175, NA19747
Z2015-   Jacques, Vorster, CAG175
Z2015+  NA19747
Z2016-   Jacques, Vorster, CAG175
Z2016+  NA19747
Z2017-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2017+  NA19747
Z2018-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2018+  NA19747
Z2020-   Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2020+  NA19747
Z2022+  Jacques, Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175, NA19747
Z2024+  Jacques, Vaillant, CAG175NA19747
Z2026-   Vaillant, Vorster, CAG175
Z2026+  NA19747
Z2027+  Vorster, CAG175NA19747

The following DYS454=12 subgroup men have the following results
for newer, poorly defined SNP mutations:  
                                                     + means positive, - means negative               

L78+ Young
 

         more info about these SNPs can be found at:
                   type L1325, for example, in the Landmark box.  After searching, look
                               for the small L1325 in the colored area and click on it.



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