Triumfetta rhomboidea


India: Throughout; Pantropical as per BSI Flora of India;

tree-um-FET-a -- named for Giovanni Battista Triumfetti, professor of botany ... Dave's Botanary
rom-BOY-dee-uh -- diamond-shaped ... Dave's Botanary 

commonly known asburr bushChinese burrdiamond burrbarkparakeet-bur • Bengaliবন ওকরা ban okra • Garosakhap nathing • Gujaratiઝીપટો jhipato • Hindiचिकटी chikti • Kannadaಕಾಡು ಬೆಂಡೆ kaadu bende • Khasisoh byrthit • Konkaniनिचर्डी nichardiथिनपुडी thinpudiतुपकटी tupkati • Malayalamഊർപ്പം oorppam • Marathiझिंझर्डी jhinjhardiझिनझिरा jhinjhiraनिचर्डी nichardiथिनझिरा thinjhira • Nepaleseबाल्लु कुरो baallu kuro • Odiaବଣ ଭେଣ୍ଡି bana bhendiଜଟଜଟିଆ jatajatia • Sanskritझिञ्झिरीता jhinjhirita • Tamilகபோதம் kapotamகேடகம் ketakamஒட்டுப்புழு ottu-p-puluபுறாமுட்டி puramutti • Teluguబంకతుత్తర bankatuttaraడెక్కి dekkiచిరు సిత్రిక chiru sitrikaకుసాంగి kusangiతుత్తురు బెండ tuthura benda 

Native to: probably tropical America; naturalised pantropically

Keys as per efi thread: Differences between these two species is mainly based on whether spines on the capsule is glabrous (Triumfetta rhomboidea) or with a line of spreading hairs on the dorsal side (Triumfetta pentandra). ON going through the posts in efi I find it is very difficult to check this with naked eyes.

Other factor is the number of stamen in the flowers, about which different sources talk about differently as below: 

 

Triumfetta rhomboidea

Triumfetta pentandra

Flora of Pakistan

Stamens mostly 15, rarely fewer but not less than 10 

Stamens mostly 5, rarely up to 10

BSI Flora of India:

Stamens 8 - 15

Stamens 5 (rarely up to 10).

Flora of China

Stamens 10 

Not found 

Flora of North America 

Stamens 10–15 

Not found  

Flora of Zimbabwe 

Not mentioned 

Stamens usually 5 

Most of our postings show 10 stamen. In view, I feel that we should take all these posts as Triumfetta rhomboidea and not Triumfetta pentandra.


Yes, flower with 5 stamens can be considered as Triumfetta pentandra; further the capsule is ovoid in T.pentandra; it is globular in T.rhomboidea



at Chintamoni Kar Bird Sanctuary, near Kolkata on 10/11/2007; in Narshapur forest, AP on 18/10/08; in Karnala Bird Sanctuary, MH, December 08; near Mulshi 25th Jan 09; north bengal, Oct08; 11 Sept 2009- Hivre Bazaar, Ahmednagar, Maharashtra; at Rajmachi (nr Lonavala) on 13th October, 2009; Mahabaleshwar 8/11/09; at Kanakeshwar, Alibag- 03 Oct. 2010; at Shahapur- Oct'10?; near Hotel Prakruti on way to Kas; Satara Maharashtra- Oct'10?; 26.09.10- Wada region, Maharashtra;
 
 


Sonepat, Haryana- May'09?; Sahapur- Oct'09; On 11/10/09 in Ananthagiri HIll forest in Rangareddy district of Andhra Pradesh; Gende Hosalli-11-11-09; at Shahapur- Oct'10?; 19/11/10- Chethalayam, Wayanad;Fl. Per.: July-October
 


 

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Triumfetta rhomboidea from Bhadore Jattal Village Forest Area Panipat
all wild 

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I think Triumfetta pentandra A.Rich. as per keys herein.
Sorry, it should be Triumfetta rhomboidea only as stamen are clearly 10.


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Malvaceae week :: Triumfetta rhomboidea: Triumfetta rhomboidea  Jacq.
tree-um-FET-a -- named for Giovanni Battista Triumfetti, professor of botany 
rom-BOY-dee-uh -- diamond-shaped
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Dec 7, 2010 at Vaghbil, Thane
commonly known as: burr bush, Chinese burr, diamond burrbark, parakeet-bur • *Gujarati*: jhipato • *Hindi*: चिकटी chikti • *Marathi*: झिंझर्डी jhinjhardi, झिनझिरा jhinjhira, निचर्डी nichardi, थिनझिरा thinjhira • *Oriya*: bojoramuli, jolajuti • *Sanskrit*: झिञ्झिरीता jhinjhireetaa • *Tamil*: புறாமுட்டி puramutti
Native to: probably tropical America; naturalised pantropically
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Oct 19, 2007 at Sajjangad 
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Oct 19, 2007 at Sajjangad 
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Nov 21, 2009 at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary 
... more views: 
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No doubt these two species (Triumfetta rhomboidea and T. pentandra) are confusingly close, another two can be added to this list: (T. pilosa and T. annua)
Leaving it to those studying (or familiar with) these plants to give us a better understanding for differentiating them.
My perceptions of these are based on their lower leaves ... they differ in shape.
Other differentiating visual details (requiring a hand-lens) - are in the fruits and flowers.
First larger image may be of T. pentandra as per details herein.
Sorry, ... is right- spines do not appear to be glabrous.
I think all images are of Triumfetta pentandra A.Rich. as per keys herein.
Yes, I agree ... Will correct my notes soon.
Sorry, ... No need for any correction as 10 stamen are clearly seen. You initial I'd is perfectly correct. I think number of stamen is the more important key for id. Different floras has confused it. We should generally take 5 stamen for pentendra and 10 for rhomboidea
 
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Malvaceae week : Triumfetta rhomboidea: Malvaceae week : Triumfetta rhomboidea

 
 
 
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triumfetta rhomboidea:  
triumfetta rhomboidea, i think
last few weeks, alibaug
Yes Triumfetta rhomboidea indeed...

Common Burbush fruiting: Photographed on my property at Shahapur during the Diwali holidays. My previous photographs of this are available at this link
 
 
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efloraindia: 261111 BRS 202: Pl. find the attached file contain photos for id. request.
Location: NBNP Garden, Anaikatti (640MSL) Coimbatore Dist.,
Date: 25.11.2011
Habitat: Garden
Habit: Climber
Looks like Triumfetta???, not a climber
Look like Triumfetta rhomboidea, family: Tiliaceae
To me also Triumfetta rhomboidea -- Family : Malvaceae (APG)

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Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. from Hooghly:
Attaching images of Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq.
Species :Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq.
Bengali Name : BON OKRA
Habit & Habitat : seems to be a wild herb with small flowers and spiny fruits on roadside in front of a home yard
Date : 9/10/12, 4.18 p.m.
Place : Garalgacha (Hooghly)
sites visited :

do you mean OKRA as in ladies finger... dhedosh?
In "Plant Groups" several wild plants have been mentioned as OKRA, in Bengali, with a prefix like TIKI or BON. It appears to me that OKRA had been chosen specially for spiny fruits, eg. one of the Bengali names of Xanthium strumarium is OKRA and it came from Hindi. But OKRA may not be spiny too, as in TIKI-OKRA.

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Herb ID request - RK10 - 13-Oct-2012:  A herb with small & narrow yellow flowers from Karjat area. I am attaching a photo of the different leaf shapes on the same plant.
This is the Common Burbush [Triumfetta rhomboidea]. Please check the archives of this group for my photographs of this.
Thanks a million ... for the quick id. I checked and found your images of this herb in the group archive. I suppose the flowers in my photos have not opened up.

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Requesting ID of this plant with small flowers - Mumbai :: 18092013 :: ARK-02 :: September 2013 : Attachments (6). 3 posts by 2 authors.
Requesting to please ID this plant captured at SGNP, Mumbai in September 2013.
This is the Common Burbush [Triumfetta rhomboidea].
 
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Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq.from Kamrup district, Assam : Attachments (9). 1 post by 1 author.
Attached images are Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. Images are taking in different times at same location on same day.
Date :14.10..2013
Location: Kamrup district (Metro)
Family : Malvaceae
Genus & species :Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq.
Habitat: Grows wild on my residential campus
Habit : Sub-shrub
Flower : Yellow
 
Attached images are Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq from Assam.
 
This Triumfetta sp. is unidentified since long in my collection. It is a small undershrub collected along a road in Pantnagar (315 m; Uttarakhand) area. Typically petals are spatulate, green, densely hairy and stamens are also densely hairy.
Hope to get ID here in the fortnight dedicated to the family.
Photographed in October 2010 in Pantnagar area.
Triumfetta species in eFIoraofindia (with details/ keys from published papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ efloras/ books etc., where ever available) 
This is unique specimen, never seen any such Triumfetta in our group. Flowers are green, buds not cylindrical .... I fail to connect it with all resources I have.
I would like to draw your kind attention to the following words - "...in some flowers, the calyx resembled an involucrum, and corolla a calyx covered with stellate tomentum " (T. neglecta Wight & Arn.).
Please add to above - 3-5 bracts (T. pentandra) (brtacts can be seen clearly in pic Triumfetta so_DSR_2.jpg).
TPL and FoP think T. cuneata Hochst. is synonymous with the above.
I think it maybe the one described under T. neglecta above. Else a new species that I do not know.
It is Triumfetta rhomboidea (Syn. Triumfetta tungarensis Billore described from Tungar hills of Maharashtra but it was merged by Koshy and Almeida sir.)
if you require research paper kindly reply I will arrange to send you the scanned copy of papers. good day and best wishes for your work and observation.

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Request for I'd AL1 : 3 posts by 1 author. Attachments (2)
this plant is photographed long back; this is a shrub; stems pilose, leaves 3 nerved; flowers in  axillary 3 flowered cymes, corolla greenish, stamens 5, fruit not observed.
please help in the identification, is it grewia or ?

Grewia or something like this? 
It could be a Triumfetta sp. A characteristic bristly fruit is visible in the far left of the 2nd photo. Also the sepals seem to have an appendage at tips.
Of course, the greenish corolla is still a question here.
Thank you ..., it may be an oddity; when I am searching my files I found some oddities; why can't we open a page for such oddities of any species we found; I am attaching oddity in Evolvulus alsinoides; first one is with white flower; second one with different type of inflorescence; flowers only in simple cymes, in apical axils of the branches; the plant is not completely prostrate or wiry, it is procumbent herb; please observe 
Very interesting observations of infra-specific variations! Thanks ... for sharing these rare pictures! I agree, we should have a separate page for such unique features. That's a great idea!!
Where & when was this plant clicked ?
Pl. also see: Malvaceae (Inc. Tiliaceae) Fortnight 11-24July2015: Triumfetta sp for ID_DSR_1/6
it is the same plant posted by ...
Yes, it is.
 
This is a frequently found plant, throughout our country at low altitudes... please convey if the id is otherwise, though these pics are not conclusive..
 

Triumfetta rhomboidea
Pune

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Malvaceae Fortnight :: ID Request? ::Matheran :: PKAJUL106:: : 3 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (4)
ID Pl.
Location: Matheran.
This is the Common Burrbush [Triumfetta rhomboidea].

Triumfetta rhomboidea??  from Igatpuri region.
Affirmative.
I agree with the ID though according to FoC number of stamens should be 10.
 
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BRS 27/09/2016 : 4 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (2)- 1 Mb or more. 
Pl. Find the attached file contains photo of malvaceae family plant for Id. Confirmation.
Location: Adyar, Chennai
Habitat  Garden
Habit. shrub

This is Triumfetta sp.
It is Triumfetta rhomboidea of malvaceae
 

Bangla name of Triumfetta rhomboidea is ban okra ... Ref: ENVIS-FRLHT
Please validate if বন অক্ৰ is typed correctly.
No. I typed in Lexilogos as: o then k and finally ra after a space and finally gave backspace. Here, lilke this:
ওক রা

Thank you very much, ... Is the space between ra and ka purposeful ?Would it not be without any space like this: ওকরা
 

Some Telugu names for Triumfetta rhomboidea listed at ENVIS-FRLHT are: dekki, chiru sitrika, tuthura benda.
Please help with names in native script.
..., they are డెక్కి ,చిరు సిత్రిక, తుత్తురు బెండ ; but these two names are also common బంకతుత్తర, కుసాంగి;
Abutilon indicum is called tuthura benda

 

Please help with the Manipuri name of Triumfetta rhomboidealeehing (hopefully vaild) listed at ENVIS-FRLHT, in native script.
Although this name appears in two books on plants of Manipur, I am quite doubtful about it. None of the people who are well versed with Manipuri local names of plants, in my circle, seem to have heard this name. Anyway, it would be put in the script as লীহিং
Your doubt is correct ... I made a search again; it finds a mention as a local name in Haryana Forest Flora !! 
But, it is equally strange to consider leehing as a name in Haryanvi, which could best be written as लीहिंग.
It is bit difficult to digest that a name is used for same plant in two extreme places of our country, and nowhere in between.
Will wait until someone comes up with validating comments.

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Names of Plants in India :: Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. : 2 posts by 2 authors. via Species‎ > ‎T‎ > Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. ... family: Malvaceae ~ Tiliaceae
Flowers of India Discussions at efloraofindia more views in flickr more views on Google Earth
tree-um-FET-a -- named for Giovanni Battista Triumfetti, professor of botany ... Dave's Botanary
rom-BOY-dee-uh -- diamond-shaped ... Dave's Botanary 
commonly known asburr bushChinese burrdiamond burrbarkparakeet-bur • Bengaliবন ওকরা ban okra • Garosakhap nathing • Gujaratiઝીપટો jhipato • Hindiचिकटी chikti • Kannadaಕಾಡು ಬೆಂಡೆ kaadu bende • Khasisoh byrthit • Konkaniनिचर्डी nichardiथिनपुडी thinpudiतुपकटी tupkati • Malayalamഊർപ്പം oorppam • Marathiझिंझर्डी jhinjhardiझिनझिरा jhinjhiraनिचर्डी nichardiथिनझिरा thinjhira • Nepaleseबाल्लु कुरो baallu kuro • Odiaବଣ ଭେଣ୍ଡି bana bhendiଜଟଜଟିଆ jatajatia • Sanskritझिञ्झिरीता jhinjhirita • Tamilகபோதம் kapotamகேடகம் ketakamஒட்டுப்புழு ottu-p-puluபுறாமுட்டி puramutti • Teluguబంకతుత్తర bankatuttaraడెక్కి dekkiచిరు సిత్రిక chiru sitrikaకుసాంగి kusangiతుత్తురు బెండ tuthura benda 
botanical namesTriumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. ... synonymsBartramia rhombifolia Stokes • Triumfetta angulata Lam. • Triumfetta glandulosa Lam. • Triumfetta indica Lam. • Triumfetta trilocularis Roxb. • Triumfetta velutina Vahl ... status at The Plants List (2013). Version 1.1. 
October 19, 2007 ... Sajjangad, Satara 
 
 
Please help with the Assamese name for Triumfetta rhomboidea - soru ogora in native script.
Reference: Shodhganga (PDF).

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Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. (accepted name) : 2 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (9)
Location: Nagarkot, Kathmandu , Nepal
Altitude:  5000 ft.
Date: 8 September 2016
Nepali Names : डल्ले कुरो Dalle Kuro  / झिनि झिटिका Jhini Jhitikaa  / कुरेपात Kure Paat / बलु कुरो Balu Kuro
  
 
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Plant for Id - Coimbatore: Pls. id this plant from Forest college campus Coimbatore.

is it some Triumfetta ?   

Perhaps Triumfetta rhomboidea 


 
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Id25042011PHK1: A herb at Phansad WLS, Maharashtra
Triumfetta rhomboidea?
Triumfetta rhomboidea


 
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Butterfly in the picture - Tawny Coster.
Date/Time-
18 Jan 2011 1:20PM
Location- Place, Altitude, GPS- Chennai -Chandragiri road, Tamil Nadu
Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-Road side trees, Rural Village
Plant Habit- Tree/ Shrub/ Climber/ Herb- Shrub
Height/Length-approx - 8 feet
Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- Shape - ~Elliptic, , 6-10cms, Margin -Serrate
Inflorescence Type/ Size-
Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- No
Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- 1.5cms approx.

Nice photographs of the Common Burbush {Triumfetta rhomboidea]. Will send my photographs of this later.
I think
Triumfetta rhomboidea of Malvaceae family.


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Dear repectables,: Small herb 20-30 cm height with inflorescence needs id taken at yeoor hills ,thane 15/11/2012
This is the Common Burbush {Triumfetta rhomboidea].
 
 
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Malvaceae week :: Triumfetta pentandra:  Triumfetta pentandra A.Rich.
tree-um-FET-a -- named for Giovanni Battista Triumfetti, professor of botany 
pen-TAN-druh -- bearing five stamens
[image: Triumfetta pentandra]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdi...>
Oct 15, 2010 at base of Koraigad
commonly known as: five-stamen burbark • Marathi: निचर्डी nichardi • Telugu: chirusitrika
Distribution: tropical Africa, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka 
   - [image: Triumfetta
pentandra]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdi...>...
Oct 15, 2010 at base of Koraigad
   - [image: Triumfetta
pentandra]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdi...>...
Oct 30, 2010 at vaghbil, Thane
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निचर्डी)]<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fdi...>...
Oct 9, 2008 at Tungareshwar Wildlife Sanctuary
   - ... more views:
   http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Triumfettapentandra&...
I think for images at Koraigad should be of Triumfetta rhomboidea as stamen appears to be 10.
Beautiful images; yes it is 100% Triumfetta rhomboidea
Yes to T. rhomboidea, from me too, ... Thanks very much.
Somehow missed updating this post of the correction I made long back in flickr notes.


 
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ANSEPT30 Please confirm if Triumfetta pentandra : 10 posts by 3 authors. Attachments (3).
Chikamagalur-Kemmangudi Road
September 2014

Some more photos-
Without fruit is is almost impossible to differentiate it with T. rhomboidea Jacq. (vide Prain and Haines). There is a KEY, based on no. of stamens, in FoP, but a number of flowers should be examined to reach the correct ID. Some aspects can be considered to reach the ID -
  1. T. r. is a undershrub whereas T. p. is herb that may attain 2ft . height
  2. petals of T. r. are hairy along margins, specially at base
  3. In T. p "Cymes antiphyllous, short peduncled, arranged racemosely due to abortion of upper leaves." ( FoP)
So, I think the ID is possible if the plant satisfy at least the no.1 above.
Yes sir, Does the attached photo qualify for your 3. point? Attachments (1)
And one more sir- Attachments (1)
Yes, ..., your (1st set of) pics themselves do qualify 2 and 3, that is why I stressed on 1 ...If yes it can be T. pentandra.
Id confirmed as Triumfetta pentandra by ... Thank you.

I think images should be of Triumfetta rhomboidea as stamen appears to be 10 as per discussions in efi thread

   
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Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. ??? : 5 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (6)
Location:  Charikot, Nepal
Date: 4 September 2017
Elevation : 6100 ft.
Elevation ????

Can you check up with the details of the spines & stamen as per the following?
In T. pentandra, there are having 5-10 stamens. The spines on capsule should have spreading hairs.
In T. rhomboidea there are 10-20 stamens and spines are glabrous. 

The site is very far away. By the way images are also not so clear but looks like 10 stamens only !
I think images should be of Triumfetta rhomboidea as stamen appears to be 10 as per discussions & keys in efi thread


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Triumfetta rhomboides Jacq. ??? : 4 posts by 2 authors. Attachments (7)
Location: Relli River,Kalimpong, India
Date: 24 May  2017
Altitude: 2000 ft.

May be Triumfetta pentandra A.Rich. as per comparative images at Triumfetta & keys herein

Without floral character, fruit closeup difficult to identify correctly
Thanks, ... I was also finding it difficult.
May be Triumfetta rhomboidea based on globular fruits.
To me, it is T. rhomboidea.
Thank you ...! Triumfetta rhomboidea Jacq. 
 

Differences between these two species is mainly based on whether spines on the capsule is glabrous (Triumfetta rhomboidea) or with a line of spreading hairs on the dorsal side (Triumfetta pentandra). ON going through the posts in efi I find it is very difficult to check this with naked eyes.
Other factor is the number of stamen in the flowers, about which different sources talk about differently as below: 

 

Triumfetta rhomboidea

Triumfetta pentandra

Flora of Pakistan

Stamens mostly 15, rarely fewer but not less than 10 

Stamens mostly 5, rarely up to 10

BSI Flora of India:

Stamens 8 - 15

Stamens 5 (rarely up to 10).

Flora of China

Stamens 10 

Not found 

Flora of North America 

Stamens 10–15 

Not found  

Flora of Zimbabwe 

Not mentioned 

Stamens usually 5 
Most of our postings show 10 stamen. In view, I feel that we should take all these posts as Triumfetta rhomboidea and not Triumfetta pentandra.
Awaiting your feedback pl.

I had posted 3 species of Triumfetta found commonly in northern Western Ghats, for validation and comparison.
I think, the fruits and flowers together give a better picture of their identity.
rhomboidea flowers are clearly twice as big than the pentandra.
rhomboidea fruits are comparatively smaller and appear spherical than those of pentandra.


Yes, flower with 5 stamens can be considered as Triumfetta pentandra; further the capsule is ovoid in T.pentandra; it is globular in T.rhomboidea.
Thanks, ... 
... is saying opposite of what you said regarding fruits. 
But I think ultimately key hinges on the number of stamen as hairyness of spine is difficult to be judged with naked eyes which I felt after going through numerous posts. 
Eflora of Pakistan, eflora of Zimbabwe, kew says fruit is ovoid in T.pentandra; it is globular in T.rhomboidea
I and ... are saying the same about the fruits ... I used the word spherical for globular.

Sorry, ..., for the misunderstanding. Yes you are right. 
 
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Presenting few images of  Triumfetta rhomboidea flowers visited by a Blue banded bee. 

Habit:     Shrub 

Habitat:  Waste land 

Sighting: Tumkur, Karnataka 

Date:       21-09-2018


great catching the blue bands and hovering yet in focus bee



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