Newt Gingrich Statement on the Proposed “Cordoba House” Mosque near Ground Zero

Newt Gingrich Statement on the Proposed “Cordoba House” Mosque near Ground Zero

 

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Newt Gingrich is big on rhetoric and short on substance! He is trying to misguide people of USA with raw emotion and blatant propaganda based on pure prejudice and bigotry!

I have joined in this debate and I would like to present the whole picture to you for your judgment.      

My contributions are in red.

 

Newt Gingrich Statement on the Proposed “Cordoba House” Mosque near Ground Zero

July 21, 2010 6pm

Read Newt’s expanded newsletter on the danger of radical Islamism, sharia in the United States, and the ground zero mosque.

There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us while they demand our weakness and submission is over. 

The proposed "Cordoba House" overlooking the World Trade Center site – where a group of jihadists killed over 3000 Americans and destroyed one of our most famous landmarks - is a test of the timidity, passivity and historic ignorance of American elites.  For example, most of them don’t understand that “Cordoba House” is a deliberately insulting term.  It refers to Cordoba, Spain – the capital of Muslim conquerors who symbolized their victory over the Christian Spaniards by transforming a church there into the world’s third-largest mosque complex.

Today, some of the Mosque’s backers insist this term is being used to "symbolize interfaith cooperation" when, in fact, every Islamist in the world recognizes Cordoba as a symbol of Islamic conquest.  It is a sign of their contempt for Americans and their confidence in our historic ignorance that they would deliberately insult us this way.

Those Islamists and their apologists who argue for "religious toleration" are arrogantly dishonest. They ignore the fact that more than 100 mosques already exist in New York City. Meanwhile, there are no churches or synagogues in all of Saudi Arabia. In fact no Christian or Jew can even enter Mecca.

And they lecture us about tolerance.

If the people behind the Cordoba House were serious about religious toleration, they would be imploring the Saudis, as fellow Muslims, to immediately open up Mecca to all and immediately announce their intention to allow non-Muslim houses of worship in the Kingdom.   They should be asked by the news media if they would be willing to lead such a campaign. 

We have not been able to rebuild the World Trade Center in nine years.  Now we are being told a 13 story, $100 million megamosque will be built within a year overlooking the site of the most devastating surprise attack in American history. 

Finally where is the money coming from?  The people behind the Cordoba House refuse to reveal all their funding sources. 

America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization. Sadly, too many of our elites are the willing apologists for those who would destroy them if they could. 

No mosque.

No self deception.

No surrender.

The time to take a stand is now - at this site on this issue.  

 

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Scott Crevier http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png1 week ago

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  • I like you Newt, but can't say I fully agree with you on this one. I just don't think we can stoop to the level of behavior of the Saudis. We're bigger than that.

    This would be like saying Muslim women cannot walk American streets without their veils. It's just not American. We can't look at the restrictions placed on Americans by other countries, and then say, "well we're going to do the same to you."

    Also, we allow churches and businesses to build buildings all the time without knowing exactly where the money came from.

    Eye for an eye doesn't work here.
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·         Yeah, America is supposed be the city on the hill. It'll be a sad day when we start taking lessons about church and state from the likes of Saudi Arabia.

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·         Newt you are the only brave leader in this world of cowards. Long live!

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·         Newt, we have only to look at Europe to see where this Muslim thing is headed. For many of them, it may be too late. We in America need to stop this invasion NOW and you are the man to lead us.

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·         Your argument, "would be like saying Muslim women cannot walk American streets without their veils" is neither logical nor relevant. The "veils" you're talking about are a Muslim requirement, so if you wanted to compare it to this case, you'd have to say that we'd prohibit the wearing of the "veil" on the streets of America since it's not an American tradition/requirement.

No one I've heard or read is asking "eye for an eye." No one is proposing that anyone give up their lives in order to build this "community center"/mosque. If you're claiming that it's vindictive to not allow this particular mosque to be built when there are already thousands of mosques on U.S. soil, well, you're just being overly dramatic and that's silly. No one is asking that no other mosques be built, just not any mosque near Ground Zero.

If you truly like Newt Gingrich, what do you like him for if not for his common sense and well reasoned arguments? He's not proposing any wildly prejudicial actions against anyone. He's just asking that we not continue bowing down and kissing anyone's feet or other body part by allowing a truly inappropriate and, for many, hurtful reminder of a truly hateful and hate filled act against our country. If this were sincerely meant to be a community memorial, why not build a memorial garden, a children's play park, a museum, anything that was not dedicated to a particular group or faith of people, but most especially not those people who were responsible for the deaths at this particular site.

And, yes, I agree with him, it would go a long ways towards convincing me that their desire for "religious toleration" is sincere if they were to fight for the same in the Kingdom - and, I don't mean some empty, play efforts, but actual progress. Even without parity, no one is calling for an end to new mosques in our land of the free and the brave, just none at Ground Zero. It's not a matter of behaving "bigger" or better than those in Saudi Arabia, there should never be a question of that if you're actually an American. We have a right to stand up and say, "Enough, show some consideration and decency."

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·         You say, "No one I've heard or read is asking 'eye for an eye,'" but that's exactly what Newt is calling for: "There should be no mosque near Ground Zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia."

To say that we should follow Saudi Arabia's lead on religious freedom is un-American.

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RobNYNY1957 http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png6 days ago in reply to Wabansia

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·         Would Mr. Gingrich apply the same standard to the Vatican State? After all, they don't allow any churches there but Catholic ones.

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·         If I may suggest you read the whole of what Mr. Gingrich had to say and you would see he has already implied he supports freedoms for all and that would include the residents around the Vatican State. The fact that Islam is not a religion with similar characteristics of Catholicism but a creed of warriors forcing submission or death for not converting makes your statement sound simply ridiculous.

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·         "The fact that Islam is not a religion with similar characteristics of Catholicism but a creed of warriors forcing submission or death for not converting makes your statement sound simply ridiculous." ...... in your opinion. That is not a fact, and you are a fool for stating otherwise.

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Igorbabyeater http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png5 days ago in reply to realist

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·         Islam is not a religion but rather a system of goverenance for self community and nation.
this is a fact , it tries to look like a religion but it is not. its more and yet less...

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Igorbabyeater http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png5 days ago in reply to RobNYNY1957

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·         the Vatican is a soverign state and as such has its own laws .

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VETFATHERHUSBANDGRANDFATHER http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png5 days ago in reply to RobNYNY1957

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·         Apparently you do not realize the Vatican State is owned by the Catholics. And if they own it, then they control it. If we continue to allow this Islam “Poison” into a country that was founded on a different set of values, then we are asking them to own us. This is not an eye for an eye. It is protecting the very culture that this country was founded on. GET THE PICTURE.

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BornELK http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png4 days ago in reply to RobNYNY1957

·         RobNYNY1957 sorry, but you are wrong. There is a mosque in Rome. I have lived there and you are incorrect. The Vatican State is an enclave of the Roman Catholic church. It would be the same as saying that you don't have a catholic church on your lawn. I suggest that you go to Rome and see the way things are there before suggesting something that is not true.

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·         please...the Catholic church doesn't want to blow us up.

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·         I hope not!

Your logic is a prime example of the absurdity of moral equivalence. You must be a leftist.

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·         I am afraid you are naive in the motivations of those who are behind the mosque. Why the secrecy? Why is this group of Muslims hiding behind a 'veil'? Why are we so afraid that we are willing to allow others to use and twist or culture of tolerance against our own interest.

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Alexandra http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png1 day ago in reply to CounselorConnie

·         Hey Connie,

I say the same thing to people. We welcome and are tolerant of all cultures and religions but when those cultures and religions don't respect our values and twist our laws and values against us we must stand up for our rights as Americans or we may no longer be a Land of the Free and Brave and will not have this county as we know it in the near future.

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·         You might change your thoughts when women in the USA are required to wear burkas and everyone must bow down and pray facing Mecca 7 times a day. I don't think you will care much for sharia law. The Islamization of the world must stop here. As an American citizen I am infuriated that the idea is even being considered to build a mosque on this property. I don't care if the Muslims own that land. If the building on it is put on the national register it will derail the building of the mosque. The leaders of this country must stand up and say enough already!

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·         You all would do well to consider the fact that Our Godly founding Fathers gave their very lives to insure that we be governed by a constitution imbued with Biblical values,principles,and induring truths;one of which is religous freedom.Yet,Islam is not a religion, but a tyrannically driven ideaology of political power destined to dictatorship and civil slavery.None of our founding fathers would recognize Islam as a religon of any terms(friendly nor unfriendly)and neither should any God fearing and America loving citizen.I concer with Thomas Jefferson:"I Prefer Dangerous Freedom over Peaceful Slavery any day".

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·         By allowing the Saudi's - the agreessor nation that destroyed the World Trade Center to build a mosque on that hallowed site - would the same as allowing these agressors to build a monument which establishes a 'beach head' for them on our land as though they 'won a undeclared holy war.' Not no, but "Hell No!" We will allow an unholy monument to be built on our hallowed ground the "home of the free and the brave".

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JillMI http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png3 days ago in reply to Wabansia

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·         Again, picking apart the argument. I believe Newt is making a relevant comparison rather than asking for an "eye for an eye." The fact of the matter is that NO Muslim nation would allow a Christian church or Jewish synagogue in their country. Period. The fact is that we do have religious tolerance in our country and there are thousands of mosques. The fact is also that we do not prohibit most religious groups from a free exercise of their religious beliefs. However, and I believe this is Newt's point as well as many others on this site, as a nation, as citizens under OUR Constitution, we also have equal rights of freedom of speech and religion. We have a right to declare that the we do not believe Ground Zero is an appropriate place for a mosque and it is about time our elected officials get the spine to end this charade in the name of political correctness, for Sharia law will be next. Would you like to institute stoning and flogging into the penal system? No, we may not always ask where the funds are coming from when the Presbyterians or Methodists break ground for a new church, but you can probably bet on the fact that they would disclose this information when and if they are asked - and I can almost bet that they are asked. The fact that leaders of this mosque will NOT disclose, in itself makes it suspect. You are right in one thing, we are a country that allows religious freedom - but since when does that freedom give ANYONE the right to rub salt into wounds? Since when can we not question the motives, the placement and the timing of this particular quest on the part of the Imam? When do we stop being blind-sided by the inane belief of some that we must and can always co-exist? Newt has simply made the comparison - there is no tolerance in the Muslim world for other beliefs other than their own. However, the fact that we have allowed mosques shows the greater tolerance. There just comes a time when we MUST stand up and say: "Not here! Ground Zero is our holy ground!"

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Faruque Ahmed http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png2 days ago in reply to JillMI

·         The misguided and ill motivated crusaders maimed and murdered many Christians and Muslims. Today, they are also conducting their modern day crusade with totally false and fabricated reasons and grounds.

In this instance, they are using the CIA pin up boy Osama bin laden to demonise, torture and terrorise Muslims all over the world! Therefore, it becomes a must to ask these valid questions.

Sadly, they are also sending their own children to die for Israel!!

(Who Invented) Osama bin Laden to Slaughter the Arabs and Muslims


Bin Laden used t be `morally equivalent of American founding fathers'! Osama used to be the pin up boy of the corporate governments!! Secular and nationalists movements around the world used to be enemies of USA and religious extremists were invented and funded by USA, UK and other entities.

One day, the American Terrorist Leader Bush was playing with Billy the goat and we found out about the so called 9/11. All planes of USA were grounded except those ones escorting the precious Bin Laden clans to safe heavens!

Steel structured concrete buildings of Twin Towers melted like volcanic lava. Yet, the passport of the ring leader Mohammad Atta flew into the FBI desk!

Anyway, none of those so called hijackers were originated from Afghanistan. Yet, Afghanistan was attacked and ruined due to pipe line dream and opium trade. Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Laden or 9/11! Yet, the Illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq is well-known as Iraq: A War For Israel and Iraq pullout would hurt Israel but totally ignored by the compliant media and establishments.

In short they are running a crusade! They are using Bin Laden as a reason. Their modern day Inquisition, Conquistador and Crusade are much more brutal and vitriolic than old ones! Therefore it becomes a must to ask the following questions:
1. Who have elected Osama bin Laden as the leader of the Muslim world?
2. Since when and under what authority Osama bin Laden became spokes person or the undisputed leader of the Muslim and Arab world?
3. Since when and under what authority Osama bin Laden became `Pope' of the Arab and Muslim world?
4. Why Muslims and Arabs have to be guilty of alleged crimes of Osama bin Laden?
5. Who are behind these deadly games and why?
Source:
http://sites.google.com/site/crimesexposed/osam...

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Alexandra http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png1 day ago in reply to JillMI

·         Very well said JillMI! I agree!

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·         If Al Qaeda said "we're building a mosque on Chambers Street" I would clearly object, but that is not the case. When you say that a mosque would be dedicated to "those people who were responsible for the deaths" at the WTC you are making the claim that all Muslims are or are sympathetic to the jihadists.

As a New Yorker and American I reject this assessment. I believer that no religion deserves privilege over any other religion or over the secular. Those who argue against the placement of a mosque there merely prove their inability to distinguish between individuals and a whole religious community. There are people of the Christian, Jewish, and Muslim faiths whose personal beliefs and actions appall and disgust me, but I do not blame their entire religions for those beliefs/actions, I blame the individuals. I will not have bigots use their warped synecdoche on my behalf to restrict the placement of a house of worship.

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·         you clearly didn't read the article, and why build a Mosque there? a relatively low residential population in general, and i bet even smaller Muslim pop.

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·         If we built a Christian Church or a Jewish Temple every time we won a battle or defeated an Islam induced foe then I could agree with you. But this is clearly an insult to not only the Americans who lost there lives in the WTC but also relatives and survivors of that holocaust. After all, the name that the Muslims are wanting to use implies victory and in no way honors that “Hollowed Ground”. GET THE PICTURE

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·         It's "hallowed," not "hollowed."

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Oath2Honor http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png5 days ago in reply to Guest

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·         It certainly-looks "Hollowed"-and is definitely considered "Hallowed" to the American people (and the families of those who died there). I do not see a Japanese Temple of Worship sitting at Pearl Harbor, to suggest such a thing would have been considered extremely inconsiderate, distasteful and disgusting. That would be like building a Christian Church Complex in Japan at their ground zero where the Atomic Bomb was dropped in Nagasaki or Hiroshima? All of this begs a question? Has our Nation become so brainwashed and insensitive to the feelings of people who have gone through extreme trauma to have no shame in even suggesting building such "a symbol as this Mosque", to be placed where one of the most horrific events of history of our country has taken place (when not even a single bit of work has been done to repair the gaping hole that is still open at the location)?! What could the builders of this Mosque possibly be thinking that-"wouldn't be" considered- to be an act of Extremely Self-Centered Agenda regarding this Insane Thought?!! I agree with VETFATHERHUSBANDGRANDFATHER and STRONGLY STAND in AGREEMENT with Newt!!! Just the idea of suggesting such a thing as the building of a Mosque in the location of the 911 Attack is a slap in the face and a DIRECT INSULT to our Entire Country and everything that we stand for according to the words of our Founding Fathers who wrote "The Declaration of Independence", "The Constitution" and "The Bill of Rights" that they fought and died for in order for all of us to have True Freedom from such disgusting "Tyranny". You do not see a Church of England standing at every single battle site where blood was shed in our country in order for us to obtain that freedom? Do you? GET THE PICTURE

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·         You DON"T have a clue.

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·         Well Prague, there has been estimates that the Muslims will hold such a majority in this country in 20 years as to be able to elect a fellow Camel F_ _ _er president. So, when that day comes and they come to your door and say convert to Islam or off comes your head I hope you are not a bigot and can see the "wonderful ways" of their eligion and bow down and kiss their filthy feet while you say Allah Is Great! You are such a dumb shit!

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·         Your comments are Ignorant. This is America not islamika wake up if love the muslims so much move to Saudi Arabia!!! It's time to put a Stop to Mosques in America we can not build Churches in Saudi Arabia I totally agree with Newts comments.. We know what the islamists are up to they want World domination destroy within and liberals like you will let them but then only then its too late!!! We must stop this nonsense in America this is a Judeo-Christian Nation whether you like it or not that is what our founding fathers stated from the beginning we must act Now and stop Mosues in America from being built ever we have over 3,000 mosques and more under construction, the HOLY WAR is beginning!!! GOD BLESS TRADITIONAL AMERICA!

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·         Dear shaunaru,

I really liked what you said. I think you explained once again to many people what New Yorkers were really protesting. I completely agree with you and fully support your opinion and Newt. I think that many people forgot that as Americans we also have a right to stand up for our rights and what we feel is morally right or against what we feel is morally wrong for that matter.

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·         Scott did you not read the whole article? The building of this mosque is a direct slap in the face of every American and their family members who died on that horrible day. It is like saying hah-hah we got you again. Their is nothing good nor honorable about letting that thing be built.

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·         Maria, did you read the opening line? Gingrich said because Saudi Arabia doesn't allow churches and synagogues, America shouldn't allow mosques. Not only is this a slap in the face of every freedom loving American who values the Constitution and its protections and freedoms, but screams infantile foot stomping.

Muslims other than the terrorists were killed along with all the other denominations, and many of them were as American as the others - shouldn't their memory count as well?

This is a slap in the face only to those that were Islamaphobes to begin with. Real Americans will remember the freedoms promised us in the Constitution and will not let the terrorists take those freedoms away with the unwitting help of "hyperpatriots".

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·         That is not what the opening line says. He never says America shouldn't allow mosques. Newt is clearly fine with the hundreds of mosques already in New York City and the thousands nationwide. His point is that we do not have to allow a deliberate insult and provocation (Cordoba House) that will be seen by our enemies as another victory over the infidels out of a commitment to religious pluralism. Nor do we have to tolerate being lectured about tolerance by those who would not even allow non Muslims to visit their holy sites.

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·         When your kissing the hind quarters of your Islamic overlords think back on this. Real Americans? get real all those at Cordoba house want is to dance on the graves of real Americans. or you can belive the lies they are told to tell unbelivers while smiling to thier face and cursing them in thier hearts... oh yea there such great people...

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·         Personally, I'm much more worried about the greater probability that we'll be kissing the hind quarters of hyperpatriotic right-wing christians who are so arrogantly convinced that their view of reality is the one right way that they are willing to trample our consitution and freedoms, in the name of preserving our constitution and freedoms. Newt is a leader of that faction, and a smart and effective leader. Which is why he should be feared.

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·         How many "...hyperpatriotic right-wing christians..." have you seen chopping off people's heads, hands and feet? Your fear is directed in the wrong direction.

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·         This is the kind of truth which should be publicised on a daily basis. Mr Gingrich is a great leader who has finally spoken on behalf of the free world. 2 innocent christians were shot dead minutes after they were acquitted for blasphemy outside a pakistani court - and yet they say that they are being mis-treated in foreign lands (dar-ul-jihad). We bend over like slaves for their every whim while they bomb and kill us like animals. I agree Newt - enough is enough. Let's defend our identity and cultural sovereignty.

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·         Allowing the muslim mosque gives them the OK to do it all over again any where they feel the need to conquer

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·         I would agree with you Scott if we had no Mosques in the US. I feel this is like a slap in the face to all the Americans who were murdered on 9/11. I can't even believe this is an issue, it's almost as if the Muslim's want to intentionally stir up trouble and rub our faces in this tragedy.

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·         What about the non-terrorist Muslims killed on 9/11? how do you think their families feel when people like you who can't distinguish individuals from a whole community of co-religionists call their house of worship "a slap in the face?" Or do they not count because of their faith?

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·         If you had read my comment, instead of becoming so defensive, I said "Americans", whether they are Muslim, Catholic, Jehovah's Witness, Buddhist etc. makes no difference, I am sorry for all the people who lost family members and friends that horrible day. My point was, why single out one single religious group, especially the religion that has been identified as the religion of the terrorists, why not build a memorial that would honor all who lost their lives that day. Funny, that "people like you" want to make everything about race or religion and manipulate the statements of others to sound biased or prejudiced.

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·         All we do is read comments like yours. Try and remember the hand/country that feeds you and helps you to have shelter, and clothes. There is no way of knowing if you are being honest in your concerns. However, I will go with these statements from you. It would be better if there were no shirines or anything built there-just a small plaque to remember that
death by murder is not what God, the Father in Heaven, had in mind for his children, so, the plaque should simply remind all that in life we need to communicate honestly-without hostility, and help each other to treat our brother & sisters like we want to be treated-with kindness and understanding. The point is that people died, so, rather than insult one group over the other-keep the simple idea in mind-celebrate the positive side of life-helping hands-no buildings, monuments for either side, and no political-religious slurs.

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·         You and the Islamic terrorists have made that image of what is thought of the Muslims. Over the majority of Muslims feel that America is bad, and should be converted to Islam, well, at least 72 jehadist groups in America feel this way. Besides, are you practicing Al Taqiyya, and if not how do we know. we don't and won't because your own leaders won't even discuss the activities or thoughts concerning what religion is about. So, the only image we have to go on is whats seen daily in the news about Muslims killing not only their own, but helpless women and children. Even in the time of Abraham-our common father-the law was decided by two witnesses. Today, there are two witnesses against the destruction- by the Muslims-against his children and your fellow brothers. The two witnesses are God the father and Jesus Christ, his son and our brother. Just as there are two witnesses from Judah and Joseph-the Bible and The Book of Mormon-both of these facts bare witness against the destruction of the children of God. God is all powerful and does not need to force his children to believe in him and love him, for it is by allowing the heart to convert in a willing attiude of humility that raises the human family out of the dust and into the loving arms of our Father in Heaven-God. What the Muslims bring is not peace but death-how can anyone learn, repent, and convert if they're dead?

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·         But are those promoting the mosque from the group of Muslims who were killed on 9/11 or a group who is aligned and motivated to over run American freedoms by claiming those very freedoms to hurt us in the end?

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·         First off, there is no such thing as "the Muslims". Most of my friends are Muslims, many think this Cordoba House project is incredibly stupid. It's given the anti-Muslim crowd something to rally around. The Imam who wants to build this claims he's doing so to build bridges. Yet, predictably, things have become far worse before the first brick has been placed for the building.

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·         The anti-Muslim crowd will always find something to rally around. Thankfully, our First Amendment makes their bellyaching about the Cordoba House pointless.

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·         Mr. John C., you have a great name like my son. Due to the 12 inch stack of papers of research I have-one has to recognize that the bad guys aren't us-the USA. There are over 72 reported Muslim Jihadist groups training in combat activities, and several arrests are made on a monthly bassis, and unless you are ignoring the news-one has to know that Muslim Terrorists are attempting to blow up our citizens. Also, there are several connections to people trying to get into government positions. Now, you say that there is anti-Muslim crowd, well there wouldn't be such a large and substanial group of concedrned citizens if there weren't enough Muslim negative activity-like death of their own kind and of women and children. Now, you can continue to deny these facts of daily learning, but one of these times it may burn your back side, or someone you know, I hope not for your sake.
The Cordoba event is probably a small thing to you, why I don't know, but to the many thousands of us who don't want to see more death and destruction of our fellow citizens, we need to stay informed. This small and insignificant idea is a monumental act of getting over on the sleeping giant. Why can't the Mulsims just build a plaque to celebrate life and the joining of all mankind together-remenber where you get your food, clothes, and shelter-think American first then the rest will fit for you.

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·         Whether you have a 12-inch or a 12-foot stack of papers of research, that doesn't nullify the First Amendment's protection of the freedom of religion. I recall none other than Newt himself saying just a few months ago that the freedom of religion had to be protected from the encroachment by the so-called "secular-socialist" leftist elite. Apparently, those who seek to encroach on it just became more numerous.

If Muslim terrorists are plotting to blow up American citizens, then by all means investigate them and prosecute. Such lunatics must be stopped. But it dispirits me as an American to hear my fellow countrymen casually lumping "Muslim terrorists" with "the Muslims," as if the two are anything like the same thing. That's the kind of divisive us-against-them tunnel vision that cripples this country at a time when all of us - Christian, Jewish, Muslim, atheist alike - have to stand up for the freedoms and way of life that make this country unique and great. Lincoln himself said that a house divided against itself can't stand. He was right then, and he's right today.

You also ask why can't "the Muslims" "just build a plaque to celebrate life"? But if the Cordoba House is nothing but a monument to terrorism, why is your suggested plaque any different?

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·         If there are true American Muslims that do not go along with these other crazy muslims why aren't they speaking out when there is a demonstration by the "bad guys" holding signs about how they will make us all Muslims?!!! You hear nothing form CAIR or any other Muslim organization.
We have become a country of real pussies! If I ever see one of the camel f_ _ _ ers buring an American flag or holding a sign that threatens me and my country, I may end up in jail, but only after I have had the satisfaction of knocking, as many of them as I can, on their ass!

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·         The misguided and ill motivated crusaders maimed and murdered many Christians and Muslims. Today, they are also conducting their modern day crusade with totally false and fabricated reasons and grounds.

In this instance, they are using the CIA pin up boy Osama bin laden to demonise, torture and terrorise Muslims all over the world! Therefore, it becomes a must to ask these valid questions.

Sadly, they are also sending their own children to die for Israel and conducting war crimes and genocides in Iraq and Afghanistan!!

USA Must Quit Afghanistan Now


Salman Rushdie, Bin Laden, Ershad Manji, Ayaan Hirshi Ali, Norma Khouri, 50% Mosque Spaces For Women, Tanvir Ahmed, 72 Virgins to Nothing, Muslim Women Priests, Actual Australian Muslim Virgin, Meal Ticket in Germany, Monica Ali, Burqa, Bushfire, Dog, … all are carefully crafted and nurtured "accelerants" to create bushfires around the world between various sex, race, religion and people. Corporate governments of USA and Europe used to aid and abet religious extremists to counter nationalist secular movements around the world!

The Taliban and al-Qaida are a few groups biting them back and they do not have any relationship between any race and religion.

On September 27, 2001, the FBI released photos of the 19 hijackers, along with information about the possible nationalities and aliases of many.[85] Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt (Atta), and one from Lebanon.[86]

15 of the alleged 19 “hijackers” were from US backed Saudi Arabia and none from Afghanistan!

On October 7, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan offered to "detain bin Laden and try him under Islamic law" if the United States made a formal request and presented the Taliban with evidence. The U.S. rejected this offer as insufficient.[41]

On October 14 the Taliban offered to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country in return for a bombing halt, but only if the Taliban were given evidence of Bin Laden's involvement.[46] The U.S. rejected this offer as a public relations ploy and continued military operations.

However, ten years of maiming and murdering innocent civilians, destroying nature and environment due to congenital prejudice and bigotry of the Zionised and robotic Americans, today, almost everyone have turned against them!


Therefore, the Americans must quit Afghanistan with proper apology and compensation without any delay whatsoever.


The abject failure of USA in Afghanistan from the beginning to end are due to a series of monumental failures of US strategies, tactics and arrogance impregnated with prejudice and bigotry. No one can blame any race or religion for their own wrong deeds!


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·         The misguided and ill motivated crusaders maimed and murdered many Christians and Muslims. Today, they are also conducting their modern day crusade with totally false and fabricated reasons and grounds.

In this instance, they are using the CIA pin up boy Osama bin laden to demonise, torture and terrorise Muslims all over the world! Therefore, it becomes a must to ask these valid questions.

Osama bin Laden! Guilty or Innocent?

In any civilized society each and everyone is innocent until and unless proven guilty or otherwise.

Now, could you kindly let me knew, which court, judge or jury have convicted Osama bin Laden of any crime; let alone terrorism?

Please do not bog down about the so called confession as we have many innocents in the US prison due to "confession" and many of them were cleared by the higher technology and courts.

Most importantly, the brilliant CIA and FBI were so desperate about Osama bin laden! It is not funny!! They have to doctor a photograph of a Spanish politician to make it look like bin Laden!!!
It is sickening.

On the other hand, the case against CIA, FBI and Israel are overwhelming. Many 9/11 Investigations and Reports are smelly.

So, at the end do not forget the word, "beyond reasonable doubt". I say so while I do not like people like bin Laden.

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·         I do not see, enlighten me, how a Mosque named Cordoba being built close to the site where 3000 AMERICANS were MURDERED by islamist should be allowed or even equated to muslim women wearing veils. How in the name of reason can you compare the two?

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·         Sorry, Scott... Americans work hard to be fair minded but there are thresholds. This is more like Hediki Tojo building a Rising Sun memorial in view of Pearl Harbor during the war. We wouldn't allow someone to build a KKK temple at Appomattox and it wouldn't be right to build a militia hall with a bronze statue of Tim McVeigh near the Oklahoma City National Memorial.

We can't ignore the psychological impact this offensive symbology has. If these unidentified mosque builders really want to establish a monument of peace, then I can imagine many other ways than this.

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·         You are a fool. All Muslims did not destroy the world trade center. Al Qaeda did. The mosque proposed is not a symbol of Al Qaeda. Your argument is not logical, and it reveals you as someone who is incapable of distinguishing individuals from a global religious community. It's like someone saying that because the KKK calls themselves "Christian" there can be no Christian churches anywhere near where the KKK has committed crimes.

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·         Must agree with Newt and have read many of the books on the faith of Islam. What's troubling is that they are using our constitution and our very freedoms against us in mockery and we, in an effort to be politically correct and inclusive, are unfortunatley falling for it. Those referred to as Muslim, who died on 9/11/2001, if you study their doctrine, they die in the name of Allah and are glorified by the terrorists. Have you studied the Koran? Much of it is very closely aligned with the Bible. The exception being, sections of the doctrine specifically call for advocacy of killing or lying to anyone who is not Muslim in an effort to advance their cause. The overriding cause, to convert us all, or, if we choose not to convert, then kill us all. I pray instead for their conversion to Christianity.

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·         Intellectually, there can only be one God, because God is not in competition with himself. The problem with religion is with religionists, not with God. When organized religion becomes dictatorial, telling people what they could and should believe in their heart of hearts - and then punishing all who are in disagreement with them - the consequences are dire. If most Muslims are peace-loving, family-oriented people --- then why oh why don't they collectively distance themselves from the Taliban and from Al-Quaeda, instead of remaining silent with their heads in the sand. I do not think a mosque is appropriate in the heart of Ground Zero where Muslims killed innocent citizens in the name of Jihad. They might not use the proposed mosque as a terrorist training ground. But again, they might. Why are we even discussing this? It's just preposterous. And I consider myself a Democratic Liberal!!!

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·         You are deluding yourself if you believe that the majority of seriously relgious islamist did not approve of the attack on 9/11. Just do a search on You Tube and find out what the common Islamic reaction was on that day. Then tell me who the fool is!!

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·         and yet they all smiled when it happened, remember on cnn they showed muslims all over the world partying in the street like god himself was handing out candy, they might not have flown those planes but you can be sure they were glad as heck someone did. remember ther supposed to lie to us but we dont have to believe those lies.

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·         Great examples, thanks for bringing that logic to the forefront.

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·         If my beloved home city of New York smells so bad, why do you care what we do about this mosque?

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·         Islam is religion with a catch, Sharia Law, that parallel's secular statute for the Moslem faithful wherever they are and have Sharia tribunals in communities. We banned Sharia and other religious tribunals in Ontario Canada due to human rights abuse - our Charter of rights and freedoms rules on rights for all and is based on the UN Universal declaration on human rights (1948). Zaki Ameen was very eloquent on the rigors of Sharia Law, the word of Mohammed: http://www.myspear.org/quran_stoning_women.html

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·         hahahah snapoutta it scott...this man up time ..somebody spits in ur face...u punch in the mouth then kickem in the balls...and guess what...they won't do it again....they hold usin contempt and scorn....nope...ur right newt...they are thumbing their noses at us...and we're better than that doesnt fly here...cowboy upsport....this is war...

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·         You are a fool Scott. We are not saying they can't build a mosque. We are saying they can't do it there! You have obviously not known any true muslims so you don't have a clue what your talking about. Your progressive liberal ideology is the reason this nation is in the condition it's in today.
They can worship anything they want...that's not the issue. If you live in America and are a citizen of America, then you must honor and respect America and the American system as it was founded. If you attack it in anyway -as muslims have- you must leave or pay the consequences for your actions.
Eye for an eye? That is what Islam is all about and it appears yours have been plucked out by their deceptions. You may have heard the saying "A fool and his money are easily parted" ...well the same can be said of a fool and his nation.

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·         Stupid is as stupid does.

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·         Scott that is what the the Muslim supporters want you to say they are looking for Americans just like you that think that way...You need to wake up they are coming fast..they the Muslim extremists are hoping we are asleep at the wheel once again..Newt hit it right out of the park with his article...I Demand that there is no Mosque built near or around GROUND ZERO....I am tired of bending backwards for the muslims that are against my country...respectfully Mike Adams

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·         If any of my family were cut down at the twin towers by that move against Americans on American soil. I would like to ask what does to "symbolize interfaith cooperation" mean and how will my Christianity fit into your Mosque?

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·         I had been a multiculturalist before I realized that this culture of Islam will not assimilate with us or anyone. Islam is intolerant of all other religions and people. In 2009 alone, there were 2,117 jihadi attacks on 5 religions in more than 38 countries. They killed 270 million people in 1400 years. The rules we lived by before do not apply here. Tolerance of Intolerance is not tolerance, but cultural suicide. The Kuran and Traditions say to "kill the infidel." They do not live by the Golden Rule. Islam's intent is supremacism and dominance, so the playing field is entirely difference from anything we've known in the past. They cannot be further accommodated, until they accept our houses of worship in Mecca and Medina.

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·         Right-on Tabitha - assimilation not an option as, unlike Christianity, Islam has not evolved to the point of a 'reformation' - a rebirth that mandated a disconnect between 'religious faith/beliefs' and Law! The result throughout Europe was secular statute and rule of Law, precedent setting for Western societies. Islam/Sharia Law can never accept secular statute - the Ankara review has failed in its attempt to bridge Islam to the secular West (for Turkey to gain EC membership). Also, the verbal machinations of Islam's intellectuals (sic) of the ilk of chameleon, Tariq Ramadan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariq_Ramadan 'He claims that there is no conflict between being both a Muslim and a European; a Muslim must accept the laws of his country. But he's opposed to some politicians or people who try to circumvent or to give a new sense of their own laws.' Which means that Sharia Law has a higher standing for Muslims than secular statute in the UK/EC - hence lawyers in the UK are now taking client cases and regularly appear before Sharia tribunals, i.e. the de facto recognition of Sharia as 'statute' for Muslims in the UK - and the government does nothing about it as intimidated by the power of 2.5 million Muslim voters! http://www.onelawforall.org.uk/

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·         How can the musulms assimilate when they think our laws are beneath them?

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·         I could not disagree with you more Scott. This is not about eye for an eye. It is about respecting and honoring our dead in New York City. Newt is simply pointing out Islamic hypocrisy.

It is inherently insulting to have a mosque with this name - built at this site – by the organization(s) that is behind this development. They are racist, anti-American, anti-Jew, anti-Christian, and pro terrorist (research this and you will find confirmation of what I am writing).

Would you permit the Japanese to build a pro-Japanese Monument at Pearl Harbor, honoring the Japanese who died in WWII and calling it "The Day of Japanese Glory"? Or what about a German Memorial honoring the fallen Nazis of WWII, built by a neo-Nazi, in Paris, and calling it “The Arian Victory”?

That is exactly what these Islamists are about to do, if we let them. They are taking advantage of American tolerance to build a symbol of Islamic Conquest – confirmed by the name Cordoba.

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·         Scott, you clearly ignore the facts surrounding this proposed Muslim Shrine. Either you're an Islamic sympathizer and your belief system tells you to ignore the terrorist attack at this site or you are a sick comedian, which is it?

Jude Raspino
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Yes, we know adversity and tragedy here too, wake up and be an AMERICAN.

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·         If you think that this mosque will not be used for plotting, planning and raising money for the destruction of the U.S., I have a good feel for your mentality and there is some swamp land in Florida that I want to sell you.
Get wise will ya!? Even if the muslims that are here are true blue Americans, which I doubt that they are, what makes you think that if there were to be a Muslim uprising in this country that appeared like it could be a success those Muslims that are here would fight to defend your country? They are already part of a religion that places the value of their religion above all else, country, life and family and I have no doubt that should the rebels come to their door and say "Join us or lose your head!" that they would join up in a New York second!
Take a look at any tapes you can get hold of of the recent 3 4th of July celebrations that were held in Washington, D.C., Boston and new York and see if you can spot anyone that even looks like a Muslim man or woman!
When they gather in the streets and hold up their signs swearing to turn us in to a Muslim country and that they will kill us or when they recently gathered in the streets of London to curse and spit in returning british troops DO YOU EVER SEE any kind of a protest against them made by CAIR or any other Muslim organization? - NO!
They may produce a population powerful enough to try to make their Shariah law the law of this land but it is then they will see the true spirit of Americans. Up until now they have been protected by our government that insists on fighting this war in a politically correct manner but when hunting season comes to Pennsylvania, just in that one state out of 50 there is fielded an army of hunters as large as of some nations and these men and women will throw the rules out the window and the Muslims will see how a war is supposed to be fought. I just hope that I am still alive to kill as many of the b _ _ _ _ _ ds as possible!

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·         You people are not looking at reality. Go ahead, and stick to your ideology and I believe you will be in for a very rude awakening!!

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·         I am shocked by the ignorance of Americans concerning Islam. The Koran calls for the murder of anyone who trys to convert to another religion. The Koran says women are worth less than men. The Koran call for followers to "Strike terror' into the hearts of the enemies. The Koran allows men to beat their wives but only after they are in bed. Islam is less religion and more of a murderous cult. The Muslims brotherhood have made it clear, their goal is world domination. Everywhere in the world their are muslims,there is pain, suffering and heartach! Read "Muslim Mafia. Check out "Act for America.org. Look at "Thethirdjihad.com". Inform yourself. Then you can speak intelligently on the desease of Islam. Folks like Shawn Hannady, Jay Sekulow and others should really do some research on how "murderous Islam really is. Wake up America!

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·         Saudi Arabia is not Islam but the holy Quran is.

Foundations of Spiritual and Human Equity in Islam:

In the midst of the darkness that engulfed the world, the divine revelation echoed in the wide desert of Arabia in the seventh Century with a fresh, noble, and universal message to humanity, described below.
(1) According to the Holy Quran, men and women have the same human spiritual nature:
O mankind, fear your Lord, who created you from one soul and created from it its mate and dispersed from both of them many men and women... (Quran, 4:1, see also 7:189, 42:11, 16:72, 32:9, and 15:29).
(2) God has invested both genders with inherent dignity and has made men and women, collectively, the trustees of God on earth (see the Quran 17:70 and 2:30).
(3) The Quran does not blame woman for the “fall of man,” nor does it view pregnancy and childbirth as punishments for “eating from the forbidden tree.” On the contrary, the Quran depicts Adam and Eve as equally responsible for their sin in the Garden, never singling out Eve for blame. Both repented, and both were forgiven (see the Quran 2:36-37 and 7:19-27). In fact, in one verse (Quran 20:121) Adam specifically was blamed. The Quran also esteems pregnancy and childbirth as sufficient reasons for the love and respect due to mothers from their children (Quran 31:14 and 46:15).
(4) Men and women have the same religious and moral duties and responsibilities. Each human being shall face the consequences of his or her deeds:
And their Lord responded to them (saying): Never will I allow to be lost the work of (any) worker among you, whether male or female; you are of one another... (Quran, 3:195, see also 74:38, 16:97, 4:124, 33:35, and 57:12).
(5) The Quran is quite clear about the issue of the claimed superiority or inferiority of any human, male or female. The sole basis for superiority of any person over another is piety and righteousness not gender, color, or nationality (see the Quran 49:13).

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·         Faruque's quotes are the smokescreen that is Islam - one day at a Sharia tribunal and all will become evident! Islam/Sharia Law rules from North Africa to Malaysia - a Neanderthal 8th century reality for over 2 billion, the goal of Osama bin Laden realized as Karzai imposed Sharia Law of Afghanistan's Shiite women last year. Aayan Hirsi Ali and Zaki Ameen have done the work to instruct the West in the true intent of Islam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali & http://www.myspear.org/ Suggest read this stuff, get educated on the mayhem that is yet to come, courtesy of Islam!

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·         Ayaan Hirshi Ali found her water bed by lying against Muslims and the Zio-Nazis are using her now while the Dutch discovered that she is a liability!



Who really needs “protection” – Ali or her critics?



Sunday 3rd June 2007, I went to the City Recital Hall and politely started to distribute my leaflet, "THE POLITICS OF ARAB AND MUSLIM BASHING" outside the $35 per person lecture.


Within ten minutes a police officer amongst the approximately twenty strong contingent, courteously asked me to provide him a copy of my leaflet. He read the item and then placed it in his hip pocket. Soon after most of the security guards present asked me for a copy of the same material and I made it available to them. Almost all of those security guards had a very polite exchange with me regarding Ayaan Hirshi Ali. At the outset, it appeared a common sense approach by those police officers and guards, their interaction with me was an example of the Aussie ‘fair go’ attitude at work. But, the ‘boss’ from inside the hall started to put pressure on the security guards to be nasty and forceful with me. The police officers did not intervene as I was not in breach of any law. The embarrassed leader of the private security said, "Mate, you are breaching the peace here – I have to ask you to move". My startled response was, "You know I don't believe in violence and I have not done anything to incite violence, therefore you must not accuse me of such fictitious grounds”. He then said, "Your materials are offending some people inside and they are getting very hot under their collars – they might attack you". I responded by saying, "That would be their problem and how come they are unable to accept any fair criticism and are threatening ME with violence?"


The embarrassed, yet reasonable security guy who by no means would be risking his security licence to be a paid thug or anyone’s hired, violent stooge. He said, "Look just move fifty meters from the hall and you will be fine". I said, "I don't have to move, but, for the sake of peace I will walk an extra mile".


However, during the period I was leafleting there, I observed that there were a few different types of people attending the lecture. One group refuses to know you if you do not look like them and walked straight past me. Another group treats words like ‘Arab’ or ‘Muslim’ which were in my leaflet like poison! This second grouping like the first refuse to get involved or to even acknowledge you. The third grouping are in between – they are struggling to find their positions.


One over excited, blustering, middle-aged woman said to me, "Your materials are wrong". I replied, "Why"? She then said, "Look, UTS Professor Jamila Hussain is wrong and it is a fact (that she’s wrong)". She attempted to support her opinion by pointing out Professor Jamila's quote that I had used in that same leaflet. I responded to her, "You are presenting your opinion only and it’s not a `fact' to dismiss my materials. I myself regard Professor Jamila Hussain’s statement here as valid". She roared at me in frustration, "Are you calling me a liar?" I said, "Why are you so militant in nature and how come you are not presenting your argument in a logical manner?" She then continued in her provoking way, "Are you one of those killers who are hunting for her"? I replied, "You are reminding me of those brave child killer Israelis who have been murdering unarmed Palestinian children in their kindergartens, schoolyards and backyards with machine guns, apache helicopters and F18s."


Another cranky, flustered old woman approached me too. The security guards found her exchange with me hilarious and said to me later, "Is she your first critic"?


She begun with, “I am a Dutch, I know everything and you know nothing. Are you Australian? Where do you come from? She (Ayaan) is educated. She will fix violent Muslims". With a giggle I said, "That's why your good friends are supporting and financing her. They will dump her after her ‘use by date’ – you watch". She continued, "You should not be allowed to talk in this country – you should be banned."


The irony here is that the security asked me to move because they feared for my safety. In reality, we need protection from the supporters of Ayaan and not the other way around, where as the entire tour of Ayaan is claimed to be based on her needing around-the-clock security!


Is this a case of “violence begets violence” or more precisely, does it confirm my point that the financial backers of Ali are using her to disguise their own violence against Muslims and Muslim countries around the world?


During the initial stages of reporting of Ali by the Australian media the articles were balanced and they also quoted a number of local Muslims who were critical of Ayaan’s blanket condemnation of Islam based on her incorrect stand and faulty reasoning.


After a couple of days of her appearance in Australia the screws were turned, the clear bias emerged and her monologues were selectively used to create deliberate confusion, uproar and cause injury to the Islamic community.


Surely, the Sydney Writers Festival should be about dialogues and robust discussions. That was the reason I distributed my flyer to generate open and fair debate. In the current atmosphere in Australia it would appear the only dialogue possible now is via the internet and not out in the open in real life.


Are Ayaan Hirshi Ali, Ershad Manji, Norma Khoury and a few more confused, yet conveniently compliant soles being used as a distraction away from many burning issues one of which is the longest running concentration camp known to mankind, located in the occupied Palestine? Because, this slow motion Israeli holocaust in Palestine is much more painful than the former one!

Source:
http://sydneywritersfestival.blogspot.com/2007/...

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·         "Eye for an eye" was designed to limit retribution. In this case, it would mean that we could only take out the equivalent of the WTC and the same number of people who were killed there.
It has nothing to do with letting our enemies gloat over us.

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·         Scott,

We are not talking about building a Starbucks coffee house here. Any organization (or a religious group) that has a consistent pattern of deception and terrorist activity, should be asked about their financial sources. This site for them is a site of conquest. Humiliate and ultimately destroy. This has been a proven practice by Islam for hundreds of years. Do you think that dome structure in Jerusalem just happens to be sitting on top of destroyed synagogue is a coincidence?
You American Born citizens are so naive that it's scary. I was born in Communist Europe and now I am a proud American.
These extreme organizations are banking on your stupidity and indecisiveness and they seem to be having the upper hand.
With millions and millions of US land available for this mosque you would think they go somewhere else. But no, they want it at the heart of it all. They had purchased that land soon after the 9/11 attack. Coeincidence? Do you think if those two towers were still standing, they would be buying that lot? Let me help you with that; "Hell NO"

It's not appropriate to have German SS museum built next to Auchwitz either so let us stay focused and consistent on this.

Thank you,
Peter

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·         Sorry Scott, but you are dead wrong on this one! Freedom of religion is a two way street and just try and build a Christian church in Saudi. Islam has profited on the U.S. time and time again due to our tolerence. Islam is a theogracy and has no place in the United States of America!

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·         Churches are allowed in Muslim countries. Saudi Arabia is the only country where there is not a church, but they are negotiating for one to be built.

http://www.examiner.com/x-57391-Miami-Religion-...

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  • I agree 100 percent. It's time to take back our country. One-hundred mosques in NY. Why do they need to have this one built here? Spare me their good faith garbage. Do unto others. Never Forget!
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·         It's 'do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Not "do unto others as they do unto you." TRY to live up to the meaning of America, big guy. Try to be a religious or at least a moral individual. Probably too much to ask, I know.

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·         The Golden Rule is interesting and it maybe worth while siezing on this attempt by the Islamist apologist to misuse it. His doing so is right out of the Alinskyite playbook of trying to force his enemies into following their own rules, as he defines them, while leaving himself exempt. The Christians generally say, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." The Jews usually phrase it differently as, "Do not do unto others as you would not have others do unto you." That gives it a more passive construct, making it clear that it is a restraint on behavior. That may be seen as understandable among a threatened minority concerned to not draw critical attention. The Moslems have a different ethic, "Do unto others as you believe they may do unto you, and do it first." That is the philosophy that permeats the Koran. It is a justification for preemptive aggressive and unending war.

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·         Perfect. Thank You.

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·         It is easy to twist around the words of the Golden Rule to suite your own agenda. The plan to build this Mosque in this place, under these circumstances, is an insulting, bombastic plan, that further exemplifies the twisted Islamic mentality that is nothing short of mentally sick and deranged. Period.

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·         No, it's not. I'm a non-muslim living in New York. I am not threatened by this proposed Mosque because (unlike you) I understand that there is a difference between Muslims in general and Al Qaeda in particular. No religion looks good when judged on it's most extreme and intolerant "adherents" but it is wrong to judge all members of a faith by the actions of their bad apples. It is clear that you are prejudiced against an entire religion because of some of their members. I am certain that you would complain vociferously if someone judged you on the basis of someone else nominally of your religion whose beliefs you disagree with.

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·         With all due respect, most other religions would have protested any event like 9/11 if the perpetrators where a part of their group. Most other religions would have denounced the crime and prosecuted the perpetrators and their helpers. Most religions would have embarked on a campaign to apologize for the crimes perpetrated by their people.
As of today, there is still no condemnation of 9/11 by the Muslim world, there is only justification. Also, we won't forget the celebrations in many Muslim countries as "the big Satan" was hurting.
If Muslims are serious about wanting to create a center for peace, why don't they donate the $100 million to help rebuild the World Trade Center or to the families of the victims?
Of course there are good Muslims but unfortunately we don't hear their voices and therefore there is no reason to appease the radicals.

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·         What? Buy big? We Americans not only "Try" to be religious, we are very good at it,as for "moral, Have you looked at what happens to women, and children in "moral" muslim countries? If a place of worship is going to be built at ground zero, it needs to be a Christian one. You know who a christian is don't you? The ones who died at that site on 9/11. If you build a mosque there, it will destroy any hope of Americans/ Christians not seeing all muslims as terrorists, just the thought of building it there is an act of aggression

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  • Newt Gingrich...an "convenient conservative." It is interesting to hear how Newt wants to "defend" the constitution one one hand and out of the hand wants to strip people of their constitutional right to worship??? I don't get it. If you can buy the land, afford it, and develop it without any gov't subsidies, who CARES??? I mean, there is a church across the street from ground zero.
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·         Really? You can't be that ignorant. No one connected with the church across the street, by either personal or religious affiliation, murdered over 3,000 innocent Americans! Are you people crazy? If a mosque is allowed to be built on this site it is like desecrating a grave site. The ASHES of thousands of our fellow Americans lie mixed in the soil of that site...and people of the Islamic "religion" are the ones that committed this atrocity. They want to build there to gloat over what they did. Rub salt in the wound. Do you really think we should be so tolerant that we allow this nonsense? They are not tolerant of anyone that disagrees with them...and 9/11 and the WTC is proof of that. And you're okay with letting these lunatics slap us in the face by building their place of "worship" next door...you are not an American or a patriot. That was an ACT OF WAR perpetrated on our own soil. Have you no love of country? What WOULD you consider bad enough to say no to?

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·         OK, so you don't like the US Constitution. You know, the part that says people are free to worship their god without governmental interference. And by the way, there are lots of good American Muslims out there. Too many here are acting like every single one is a traitor and needs to be jailed.

No, building a house of worship 2 blocks away from the World Trade Center site is not a slap in anyone's face. It's the American way. If you want to stop other religions from exercising their rights, what are you going to do when they say the same thing about a Catholic church, a Protestant or Evangelical Church, a Jewish or LDS temple? Proper respect for our Constitution means supporting it, not shredding it.

Newt, you blew it on this one.

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·         It's not against the constitution for people to reject a Mosque on top of a sacred site.
Newt didn't blow anything.

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·         The building is TWO BLOCKS from the World Trade Center site and the City of New York Planning Dept OK'd the building with a 29 to 1 vote. And honestly, I have been in the World Trade Center buildings many times. I've been at the site since then. I grieve those who died, but it isn't a sacred site & the mosque is 2 blocks away.

Rule of holes....when you find your in a hole, stop digging.

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·         Two blocks is still way too close. Opening the mosque on 9/11 is another slap in the face of America.
If I was you, I'd take my own advice concerning holes.

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·         There are smut shops and stripper bars closer to the WTC than this building would be. Exactly how does this 'sacredness' radius thing work? How can a building 680 feet from the WTC be sacred ground when the strip bar less than 400 feet from it isn't?

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·         The strippers didn't murder anyone.

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·         Nor did the Muslims seeking to build that mosque, or any of the American Muslims who live in Manhattan. Thanks for illustrating that bigotry is behind this anger against the mosque.

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·         thank you for this statement

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·         OOPS! The Constitution says freedom to worship, not freedom to build. There are many places to worship in NY for many religions, including those of the Muslim faith. Freedom of worship doesn't say you can erect a building or even occupy an existing building for the purpose of worship. Just check with Christian Churches who have been denied building permits because the neighborhood didn't want a church in their area.

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·         The most important part of your ignorant statement is "I Don't Get It". Well, guess what, WE DO! Loud and VERy Clear! Oh Yes, when those buildings were hit, we really got it. Let me speak for all whom have not said what I will now write. When we don't need your Oil anymore, you are finished. If we did not need your oil, you would have fallen the way the Japanese did after Pearl Harbor. It is no coincedence that you fight with suicide bombers just like the Japanese did. In their own way, like you, they talked of things like Honor and then cowardly commit suicide for the sole purpose of killing INNOCENT others and in your case, doing it for GOD. This is a direct insult to the creator of all things, Period. Now do you get it???

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·         Anyone who cannot see what the meaning is behind this mosque and wants to defend it is not one that loves America or even is American.

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·         Maria, you are wrong and intolerant. I am a lifelong New Yorker and American. I am not threatened by this Mosque or by Islam in general, and I am not a Muslim. I just understand that you can't judge an entire religion by its worst people. Your black or white assertion, and the way that you assume only you can decide who is American, is depressing and scary. Who are you to try and belittle my perspective. Do you even live in New York?

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·         If you see it as nothing more than a plot of land that is up for sale to the highest bidder, then you go and talk to someone who lost a person that day. Go, look at the video of the mass murder that took place that day, at that site! That is why we must stop this from happening. So, yes Newt is defending our American rights. He is not "stripping" a persons right to worship. He did not call for all mosques to be blown up, a mosque is not needed there, and if the muslims in America felt any shame for what their "religion" did, and continues to do, they would not ask for something so hurtful.

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·         Newt can only be judged by the what he says. His reason for opposing mosque is that Saudi Arabia doesn't allow churches. That is the entirety of his argument. The reason you give isn't the reason he's given.


This is racist. Muslims in the US come from many different ethnicities and nations, and many of them if not most are simply American. I'm American. Why should I be given different treatment, why should I have different rights with regards to where I can pray, because of what the government of Saudi Arabia does? Incidentally only 25% of America's Muslims are Arab at all, most are ethnically South Asian. Not only are his remarks bigoted, but they're oblivious to facts.

There are better reasons to oppose the Cordoba House. I don't support that project - I think it's arrogant and stupid. But Newt Gingrich needs to be condemned for citing his bigotries and reason to oppose this mosque.

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  • "The time for double standards that allow Islamists to behave aggressively toward us..."

    How is requesting to build a mosque aggression? I find more aggression in your response to this issue than in the very request made. You seem to be a man of faith so I find it odd for a person like you to take such a defensive position.

    How many people have requested to build churches in Saudi Arabia? How many Christians have challenged the restrictions you talk about? I realize you're positioning yourself to run for President in 2012 but I find it quite cheap that you'd take the low road and act the tough guy on this issue. Not a very presidential response. Keep in mind, Muslim-Americans are Americans too, even if they don't share the same faith as you.
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·         So you think that you are an American. Your words prove you are an Islamist first. What would the Islamists think if we destroyed one of the Islamic iconic monuments and then built an American stucture in it's place. All of these Islamic words are empty lies in the face of what is right in front of all of us to see. You Islamists are simply playing "The Emperore's Clothes". You can veil your faces, but you can't veil the truth.

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·         Why do you think you should be able to build at that site, Muslims murdered American children, women, and men, at that site! Whole families were wiped out that day! Why would any truely religious group want to inflict such harm, and then try to build a monument to themselves upon the graves? Now you cry foul when we say NO! You have double standards, you don't get to attack us, and then try to hide behind our constitution, and bill of rights. Newt didn't say,no more mosques! He, and We true Americans say not there! it is a grave yard, one that was made by Muslims, so no you can not build on top of the bones of Our American Heros.

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·         Individual muslims murdered Americans. Punishing their entire religion for the acts of individuals is wrong and morally indefensible. Also, claiming that only people who agree with you are "True Americans" is wrong. I hold a passport. I was born here. I am entitled to hold any opinion I wish, and you cannot devalue my citizenship based upon it. Who do you think you are?

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·         I find a few things interesting about your response:

1. You lump all Muslims together as if everyone who is Muslim is a terrorist from 9/11.
2. You think (and so does Pslmullen3) they are requesting to build a mosque ON the site which is completely false because the proposed site is 2 blocks away on Park Place.
3. You word your response to my comment as if I am Muslim which I am not. I am white, and American citizen, and happen to be Catholic.

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·         I agree Taj, a citizen is a citizen regardless of religious faith, yet I find your logic difficult to follow.
"How many people have requested to build churches in Saudi Arabia?"
People don't request to build churches in Saudi Arabia-it's illegal
" How many Christians have challenged the restrictions you talk about?"
The Vatican made a request in late '08.

It's unlikely that the Saudi Arabia will allow a church built as long as the country ascribes to Islamic Sharia Law.

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·         I agree, those questions were off base when trying to make my point. I was just trying to illustrate that the request itself should not be looked upon as aggression, it's a request that anybody in any country can make. If NYC thinks it's a bad idea then deny it or go as far as the Saudis did and make it illegal.

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  • So, now we're supposed to model our democratic country after Saudi Arabia? That's where most of the 9/11 hijackers came from. What kind of demagogue are you?
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  • I'm not that crazy about you all the time, Newt, but can say that I fully agree with you on this one. You can even take the sentence out about our allowing it when the Saudis start allowing churches and synagogues because that has nothing to do with why the Cordoba mosque shouldn't be built on ground zero. The Saudis don't allow churches and synagogues to be built in their country period, let alone in a spot where the followers of Christianity and Judaism slaughtered thousands of Muslims.

    It shouldn't be built for all of the other reasons noted in your article. It's a clear slap in the face to America and a clear direct insult to the memories of those who died there in 2001. It shouldn't be allowed to be built there because doing so would be a travesty. That we allow churches and businesses to build buildings all the time without knowing exactly where the money came from is irrelevant. This is the one and only time the Islamists are going to try to put a mosque on a site where over 3,000 of our citizens lost their lives, and no matter what their apologists may say, they're doing it as a tribute to the 19 Muslims who took murdered those people, and the answer they receive should be a resounding "NO"! It's refreshing to see a politician take such a clear and emphatic position on something of this importance and just as discouraging to read one of my fellow citizens, who claims to be a fan of yours, recite the tired and embarrassing party line of the Democrat Party and the American left. I appreciate your having the courage to go on record with this statement.

    Because this post, unlike the one above it, would not be well received by the soldiers of the religion of peace, I will not post my full name. I have no desire to be slaughtered for posting an opinion on the internet.
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·         Do you seriously not understand that right wing demagogues like Newt are making up issues like this to re institute a 21st century silent majority? If the community gives the thumb up to this place it should be built. Do you have so little faith in our country that you believe we should take our lead from a fundamentalist monarchy? I'm glad that most of us realize that we're better than that. And if you're really afraid that "soldiers of the religion of peace" are going to go after you, I think you need to consider medication for your clinical paranoia.

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·         I need to consider medication for clinical paranoia? So I guess the 3,000 that were mass murdered on 9/11 and the countless others who have had their heads lopped off for daring to disagree with the Muslims were figments of my imagination? Listen, you moron, this issue isn't anything that Newt Gingrich or any other "right wing demagogue" made up. That this murderous cult is intent on destroying any and all who don't either agree with them or capitulate to them is an undeniable fact that only a leftist twit like you is unable to grasp. "The community" gave no "thumbs up" to anything. A bunch of namby pamby twits like you gave the thumbs up. Put it to a vote in "the community" and see what kind of vote you get. Idiot.

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·         I like you.

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·         1. The "murderous cult" you reference does exist; it's called Al Qaeda, but it does not represent all Muslims. An analogy is how the KKK, despite being nominally Christian, does not represent all (or even most) Christians.
2. I think that if you did ask the communities surrounding the WTC (Tribeca, Financial District, SoHo, Chinatown) you'd find that the tolerant, liberal individuals who live there (you'd probably call them leftist namby pamby twits) don't mind the idea of a mosque, and the people who do mind are from Queens, Staten Island, or even further away. Why should intolerant people from elsewhere decide what goes on in Downtown Manhattan?

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·         1. The "religion of Peace" didn't denounce Al Qaeda. Christians did and do denounce the KKK for the most part.
2. Everyone in the USA should decide because everyone paid the price for 9/11.
3. Are you saying that people that are not from Tribeca, Financial District, SoHo and Chinatown are intolerant? It's amazing how you'll defend the Muslims and trash, or generalize about your fellow Americans.

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  • I'm a die hard liberal and I 100% agree with you on this issue.
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  • Let me get this straight, Newt. You're advocating that we Americans should set our standard for religious freedom and tolerance according to the standard set by an absolute theocratic monarchy. Does this mean you also think we should forbid women to drive, should behead sexually active teenagers, and should rest all political power in the hands of a fundamentalist dynasty?
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  • One would hope that we hold ourselves to a higher standard than freaking Saudi Arabia. Stop ginning up hate and realize that your political life is over chief.
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  • I totally agree with Speaker Gingrich....whether some in our society want to believe it, or not, we are "in a war of wills" if nothing else in this mosque matter, and if we lose this war, I am concerned with what will come next. Since 9/11, we have been shown by some that they will do what they wish to us, as long as we are unaware of what is going on (i.e. 9/11 and other attempts at terrorism). We are aware of what is going on with the attempt to build this mosque, and it is an "in your face" act by those that despise America and all she stands for, and to allow it, specifically in the area where the attack took place, would be a travesty in so many ways. Yes, America is the "land of the free and the home of the brave," and, yes, we do have many freedoms, but to allow this mosque to be built, on this site, I believe is the first step in a plan to "muslimize" America to change us from being the "infidels" they believe us to be into what they want us to be...what is next? And, please remember, in all of this, that it is Islamic tradition to build a mosque on the site of what they believe to be their victory....Why do you think the "Dome of the Rock" is where it is in Jerusalem?
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·         Remember-"In GOD we trust"! This nation was founded on Christian beliefs and ethics. Unfortunately our nation has been diseased by entertainment and folly. "Cordoba House" is just another approach and new form of attack upon this nation by Islam. Their use of "religious tolerance" as an argument is a big joke, but more seriously it's a tactic to use on our sleeping nation. Our nation has become, for the most part, a nation of timidness, ignorance and carelessness. Thank you Mr. Gingrich for speaking the truth and not bowing down to this new style of attack on our nation. Read "Deuteronomy 28" in the Old Testament-all of it-this is very important! May GOD bless America!

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·         Is "Deuteronomy 28" the part of the Bible that says the earth is flat or the one that says you should burn witches at the stake???

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·         Marcus, Deut 28 is a further detailed account of the blessings God would pour out upon a faithful Israel and the curses that would result from disobedience. Sadly many of the curses befell Israel.

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  • Right on Newt! This country has become weak since 9/11 and according to the naysayers posting here it shows....BIG TIME.
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  • I think you are seriously misguided Mr. Gingrich. You appear to have this one 180 degrees wrong! Don´t ask America to LOWER our standards of religious tolerance in the face of closed-minded people. Don´t ask us to imitate a country whose track record for religious tolerance is next to zero. We should ALWAYS be a beacon for religious tolerance, we owe it to those who lost their lives to serve as an example to the WHOLE world that in America, we absolutely respect religious freedom.
    It is when choices are difficult that you can tell a nation´s true character. It is easy to allow for a religion that is similar to your own, followed by persons that look, talk and act like you do. It is a true test of our commitment to freedom to allow a mosque to be built on or near a site that was destroyed precisely by fanatics who supposedly followed Islam. To do that would prove our country great.
    Don´t give in to knee-jerk reactions and to hateful responses.
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·         It would prove what muslims think about us, that Americans are weak, fat, and stupid. We should , and have shown religious tolerance to any and all. What we owe to those who lost life, and loved ones on that day is not to allow a monument to their murderers to be build on top of their bones. Enough is enough, there is no need for a mosque at that site. It is about muslim conquest, not worship. Do you think that they pray to save our souls in a mosque, or pray for our death at their hands. Think about it

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·         I don't care what people pray for in mosques. I am not threatened by a mosque, and I actually live in New York. The weak and stupid move would be to say, "we were attacked by people who are muslim, therefor all muslims must hates, therefor mosques are a threat and should not be allowed near the place where the scary muslims attacked."

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·         Sherri, I respectfully disagree. How does it show "weakness" to allow a mosque to be built near the WTC site? Since when did religious tolerance become "weakness"? On the contrary, religious tolerance is one of the cornerstones of our country, one of our core values we should respect and protect. Please explain how in the world you can come up with a mosque being "a monument to their murderers"??? That truly doesn not make sense. Timothy McVeigh was a Christian, does that mean building a Protestant church near the Oklahoma City bombing would be a monument to him and an offense to those killed there? Catholic terrorists from Ireland to the Basque region of Spain have betrayed the teachings of their religions and killed innocent people. Does that make Catholicism a sponsor of terrorism? Hardly. You cannot make the connection that the faith of Islam which has over a BILLION faithful who do NOT commit acts of terror, has any responsibility or needs to answer to the heinful deeds of a few dozen sick and twisted individuals who are mass murderers. They do not represent their faith any more than Protestant or Catholic nut jobs represent their faiths. Can you agree on this point????

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  • I disagree with you on this one. Unless there's real proof that they're doing something nefarious, they should be allowed to have their mosque. We should cherish our freedom, including freedom of religion.
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·         Wake up and see what they really want but I think it will be to late pity you where not next to TWC so you can fill it on your skin. This country has suffered so much since 9/11 and it was a small act they are planning every day every second some more surprises for us.
Just wake up.

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·         Freedom of religion in this country, "meant" Christians having freedom from oppressive religions such as islam. It does not mean that every body and their dog can come here and ruin the way of life for real Christians. I stand with Newt and I would damn sure vote for him..........

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·         Madam, I think you must be confused. The first amendment does not specify freedom for Christians. No one religion deserves privilege over another.

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·         What constitution are you reading Tlooneylady? If it's the US one, you better get your eyesight checked!

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  • As was previously stated, there are already over 100 mosques in NYC. Religious tolerance or suppression of the Muslim religion is not the issue. To believe that allowing a mosque near Ground Zero puts us on the moral high ground in terms of religious tolerance or Freedom of "Worship" (as Obama now calls it instead of RELIGION), consider this: how does the rest of the world view our continual assault on Christians with desecrations of Crosses, assault on the Boy Scouts of America, antipathy towards Christian holidays by secularizing them with icons like rabbits and jolly, bearded men, et. al.? Personally, I couldn't care less how the rest of the world views us, and based on the lack of respect our current POTUS receives from friends, enemies, and frenemies, I daresay the rest of the world probably doesn't care what we think of them, either. So in the interest keeping the peace, build the mosque somewhere else.
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·         There's already a mosque that is only 8-9 blocks away from Ground Zero, the Cordoba house is 2 blocks away....Do you propose that we go ahead and shut down the other mosque currently worshiping near ground zero?

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·         Not at all. The existing mosque serves as a place of worship for those Muslims and to build the Cordoba house less than six blocks away is unnecessary.

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  • I'm not surprised by those people allowing this. They are probably the same people who voted for an American president with the name Hussein.
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  • Newt Gingrich is an embarrassment for America. His call to do the same as the Saudis if they don't change shows he either doesn't understand the importance of religious freedom or -- this is probably the more obvious point -- he is simply pandering to the bigots and Know-nothings in his constituency. Sadly, this fiasco shows more about the state of so many so-called Americans than about this dangerous and desperate pol long past his Contract-On-America prime.
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·         No, people like you are an embarrassment to America.
Many of the people you call bigots and Know-nothings in Mr. Gingrich constituency are people who put their lives on the line for you, buddy. You, Maushard, are pandering to the murderers and trash your own folks.

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  • Since there is no dialogue with the Saudis and most of the muslim world concerning the establishment of churches and synagogues in their lands, it's quite evident that tolerance becomes one-sided. Thank you, Mr Gingrich for your stand on this issue. I am a man of peace, but enough is enough. May the smoke be removed from the eyes of those who do not see.
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  • Muslims can lie with impunity as long as it's an enemy their lying to .. Make no mistake here .. we the so called infidels are the enemy and i don't trust any of them .. We can't have places of worship in their lands they don't need to have any here ..
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·         Christians can lie with impunity as long as it's an enemy they're lying to .. Make no mistake here .. we the so called wicked are the enemy and i don't trust any of them .. We can't be allowed to run our country without them trying to turn our government into a theocracy, they shouldn't be allowed to desecrate our constitutional rights.

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  • I'm guessing Newt would have a problem with the old Chrysler Cordoba too. Anything to create a tempest in a teapot. The dumbing down continues...
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  • Newt has proven himself all to human but he gets the big things right. The government has every right to inquire into the funding sources of this project. While it is true that the power to investigate can be abused it is not true that there is some First Amendment protection that preemptively shields any organization from scrutiny just because they claim to be a religious activity. Mayor Bloomberg is simply wrong about that. This is double true when the persons behind this may be foreign citizens and the monies involved may be seen as being used to advance not just a religious but a political agenda.
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  • Money for GOPs must be drying up ! They know - only those interested in a "rapture" next week are willing to pay big bucks for it, so attract them with fanatic psycho-babble? I thought you were smarter than Sarah Palin but the fact that you jumped on this anti-American, constitution burning band-bagon shows you may not be. First of all, the introduction into World War II by a Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor may constitute a larger surprise, but I'm not sure you're that smart... History isn't your thing is it? A mosque was built first in Cordoba and it was eventually converted into a church during the "Inquisition." Cordoba represents tolerance to anyone who understands history - the Moors were the first victors in history who allowed some of the defeated to rule themselves - that's right... they gave authority to mistreated Jews and Spanish peasants in the areas of Spain they controlled - they subsequently lived together in peace and acceptance of their common Abrahamic faiths, and differences, for centuries until the infamous "Spanish Inquisition" (2nd largest intentional genocide and forced migration in history - btw: the "Inquisition" was not conducted by Muslims as Newt may believe... his history isn't that good). The clincher is - that Newt thinks we should COPY Saudi Arabia's intolerant ways, and impose this intolerance on fellow Americans on American soil !! Tyranny !! We had a revolution, a civil war, 2 world wars and a bunch of other ones to PRESERVE our freedoms, and you want to tell us that your pandering to the fanatical Right should convince us to rip up what guarantees all Americans their freedoms and rights? Tyranny !! Trying to connect church and state Newt ? It doesn't work and WE Americans don't like that (see: Saudi Arabia).
    What is most outrageous is Newt is using terms like Jihadists and Islamists to lead Americans to believe that they should turn on fellow Americans' rights and maybe what else Newt.. start a new Inquisition on 7-8 million Muslim-Americans, many of whom died in the towers on 911, died as first responders, died and continue to on our front lines in Iraq and Afghanistan in defense of their American nation with all other Americans ?? Tyranny ! 100 mosques, 1000 synogoges and 1000's of churches in NYC - actually Newt, there are less mosques per Muslim in NY, per capita than there are synogogues for Jews in NYC.

    Hey, Maybe those reprimands of the past have "worn off," and he needs more (from Wikipedia: On January 21, 1997, the House voted 395 to 28 to reprimand Gingrich for ethics violations dating back to September 1994. The House ordered Gingrich to pay a $300,000 penalty, the first time in the House's 208-year history it had disciplined a Speaker for ethical wrongdoing.[20]

    So.. Newt can we build churches in OK City, Waco or Austin, TX though Christians bombed, flew planes and killed hundreds in intentional acts against our government? Of course we can, because no one is stupid enough to blame Christianity or any other Christian for the acts of mad men on the fringe... it just isn't the American way! What do you say, champ - "good for goose, good for gander" or are you adding your name as another simpleton Islamophobe? Do you really teach? scary.........
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·         You started out putting forth some potential substance to the expression of your opinion, but, like all elitists the world over, you had to show your disdain for another human being by personalizing it with demeaning and slanderous attacks to the person. Thus, nulling your credibility with the rest of us.

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·         Definitely a misnomer. How about a little substance instead of ad hominem attacks? More apropos for HuffPo, I daresay.

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  • I agree with all the other groups --- there is richness and value in their language,customs,culture and history -- and its important to preserve it. We never learned that lesson and now its too late.
    Its their country now --- we need to start thinking about where we go from here. Migration is the issue of the future - where do we being to mass, what structures and political doctrines. We better not wait until they decide its illegal for us to do so. We need to start the public debate now --- sorry but its time to move on. Our recent pass will be a tremendous guide for our future --- great lessons learned -- but its time to move on.
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  • We all have our own opinions and I will condem no one. But as my 20 yr old daughter said to me there are still bones and human remain there yet to be found. So many unsuspecting lives were lost there. I asked a friend who is an ad exec what he thought and he said this is American they have a right to be there. And mellow me who has to analyze all sides would normally agree. But then this is America and we would not have the same rights in their country so let me go on the record as saying that site needs to be a memorila to Americans!! So I am sorry if this 1 time I am not politically correct but I am an American who lives here and cares! And I say NOOOOO! They can build elsewhere-let us still grieve and be a family of Americans who cares for each other! I am sorry and it is not like me--but I have to be an american before I let others walk all over myself and MY AMERICANS!

    Now go ahead and debate an rip me apart if you want. But in the end who am I sticking up for ....... you--the American who lost so much that day! God help you!
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·         Amen to you Karen,

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·         You need to check your geography of downtown...I don't think you quite understand where this is being located. It is not actually being built on the WTC site or property.

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·         Excuse me, but a large piece of one of the planes is still in the building where it fell. I would consider that part of the WTC site or property.

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·         Karen, this is NOT being built on the site of Ground Zero. There is a memorial and office towers being built on the site of Ground Zero as I type this. This is up the street. Yes, it's close, but it's NOT on the site....There's a HUGE difference...

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  • I am not against another mosque. It just shouldn't be in that particular spot. People still remember and the wound is still too raw. We lost 17 citizens of our town in one day. My daughter's friend lost both parents. This is not a thing that heals. The issue divides. Just look at all the posts.
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  • Newt, what are you thinking? This is a challenge to our core beliefs. We can react emotionally, or apply our principals. I'm sorry, but you should have known better. Bad call.
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  • You want stoop to the level if the Saudis? If you don't like it, the only solution is to buy the property from them. Get out your wallet and make a serious proposal. The notion that this is something the government should stop is ridiculous given the first amendment to the constitution.
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  • So what then Newt? Are we not to permit religious freedom until the Saudis do? In that case we minus well just bin the First Amendment. Or perhaps you are saying that our domestic policy ought to be dictated to us by the actions of a bunch of despicable misogynistic twerps in Saudi Arabia? Or perhaps this is your idea of trying to persuade the Saudis to be more tolerant of other faiths? Well if this be the case I believe I have a much more effective means of persuasion: Stop buying their oil! That would hit them a lot harder than banning the construction of some mosque in New York... like they even give a fig about that.

    Come on Newt! Back in the day it used to be a bit more difficult to nail you down; but now it's like shooting fish in a barrel. Easier than that actually: It's like playing wack-a-mole with only one hole in the board!
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·         As one of the most visible proponents of domestic drilling in the country, I'd say Newt is also all about "stop buying their oil." Moreover, Newt is clearly not suggesting that we lower our standards to that of the Saudis. If he was doing that, he'd be suggesting all mosques be closed. His point is twofold. 1. This Mosque is clearly intended as an insult and our commitment to religious pluralism in no way obligates us to allow our nation's enemies a psychological victory (the constitution is not a suicide pact) 2. We don't have to put up with being lectured about tolerance from the people behind this project.

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·         Put up with being lectured on tolerance? No one is forcing you to listen to anything. If you don't like what they are saying and are tired of hearing it then DON'T LISTEN TO THEM. It's that simple. And as far as the property question is concerned, the title-holder has the right to dispose of it as he wishes, provided of course that he follows the building code and various safety regulations. To suggest that one's right to use his property as he sees fit ought to be subject to concerns of whether or not some else one may be offended by such a use is the ANTITHESIS of conservatism. Actually it sounds like a rather left-wing idea, wouldn't you say?

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  • You people need to look up Bridgett Gabriel on YouTube. She is a Lebanese Christian that was 10 yrs old when the war started in Lebanon. Lebanon was the most economically sound, abundant, prosperous, educated country in the Middle East. They had open door policies too. They had tolerant thinking too. They had thousands of citizens that marched for the rights of Muslim immigrants to receive fair treatment and equal access to the benefits of their land too. They had Muslim citizens that quietly lived next door to Christians. Then Palestinians not welcomed by any other Middle Eastern nation (terrorists) were welcomed into Lebanon because of course they were so "principled" and welcoming. It wasn't long before these Muslims coming from all over to Lebanon became polarized in their new digs and grew in numbers, being protected by the laws of Lebanon and TURNED ON THEM....murdering hundreds of thousands of Lebanese Christians. Why? Besides the fact that they are brainwashed in a hate ideology? They needed strategic access to Israel. People...the silent Muslims living peacefully next door to you are still Muslims. And their 'holy book' calls for the utter destruction of those that do not believe like them. Why do some of you feel the need to apologize for our way of life? WHY is our president running around the world apologizing and courting Muslim approval? WHY? As far as I have ever known, America has been the help-giver. What do we need from the Muslim world that we do not already have? Nothing. I ask you this? Is it American christians that are strapping on bombs and detonating themselves in crowded markets? Is it American christians flying planes full of captives into buildings full of American innocents? Is it American christians meeting in urban apartments, planning new ways to create chaos and death in a land that is not theirs, that they hate? NO. Who is it? I think we all know. And you people think its okay to allow this "ideology of hate" to build their mosque on the soil that still hold the ashes of those they murdered? Would you be okay with the Nazi party building their headquarters next door to a concentration camp memorial? Those of you who think this is okay are blind. Remember the science experiment with the live frog in the beaker of water? Barely turn on the flame underneath and the frog doesn't notice he's boiling to death till its too late. We are that frog...the radical Muslims have their hand on the bunsen burner.
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·         Gail, your right, there are times you have to wake up and just say no.

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·         Um...not sure if bigot is the right word to apply to folks who disagree with a particular religion and it's practices, but be that as it may, what if the KKK wanted to build a "cultural outreach center" in Harlem? Does anyone think it'd be a sincere effort to improve relations???

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·         Bigot is the terms for people who cannot distinguish between individuals (Al Qaeda members, of whom there are a few thousand) and all members of a religion (there are millions of Muslims) and so think that the entire religion should be blamed for the actions of a few people.

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·         Wouldn't they be considered martyrs and possibly qualify for a few virgins?

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  • Let me start by saying that, though I was born in the state of Sindh in Pakistan, I have never brooked any ill will towards the American people or the USA. Rather, I have considered myself a friend and ally of the US and, were I a citizen of the US, I would have been a voting and active Republican!

    As for Mr Gingrich, I came to know about him through my frequent watching of Fox News and I respect his conservative views on many issues affecting the American people and the world. As a Sindhi, I am particularly grateful to the Republican Party and it's conservative leaders like Mr Gingrich here for supporting the late former premier Benazir Bhutto, a Sindhi, against the Muhajir-Punjabi establishment in Pakistan. As an oppressed nation within Pakistan, the Sindhis have always looked to the US as its soothsayers and potential liberators.

    Having said that, let me say that I am disgusted by the lack of tolerance and knowledge shown by Mr Gingrich here in this post. Cordoba is a city in Spain that became a centre of knowledge and enlightenment. Saudi Arabia isn't the world's only Muslim country. As a Sindhi, I can give an example of my nation of Sindh that has had a 5,000 year history of secularism and tolerance towards all nations and all religions! The highest amount of non-Muslims living in Pakistan are in my state of Sindh. In my state, we have mosques, temples and churches. We even had a synagogue in Karachi until Partition when Sindh became a part of Pakistan. As for non-Muslims not entering Makkah, that is a tenet of our faith, That cannot be changed so Mr Gingrich should pick some other more effective issue like minority rights and persecution in Pakistan and the Muslim world for example.

    Instead of opposing the mosque, the Republican leadership should join forces with its conservative Muslim Americans and provide them effective assistance in resolving this mosque issue. Either way, references to mosque builders as 'Islamists' and the constant reference to the 9/11 terrorists in the same breath (read article) are extremely hurtful and un-necessarily caustic. Finally, I shall end by quoting user 123's post. " Here's a list of Muslim Americans killed on 9/11. It's their country too..."
    http://islam.about.com/blvictims.htm
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  • To all of you that want this mosque. When they take over and tell your daughter that she has to wear a veil in public and submit to her husband you'll be the first one crying we have do something about this. I think Newt is right on this one!
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·         The wife of the Imaam behind this mosque doesn't wear a veil. The vast majority of Muslim women don't. You guys need to open your eyes to foreign media sources - your worldview seems like it's made exclusively of stereotypes and propaganda.

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  • Newt, the infidel, should be stoned. And why isn't his wife's head covered? Shouldn't she be standing behind him?
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  • We will be the laughingstock of the Arab street if we allow a Mosque to be constructed at or near Ground Zero - the site of the the worst domestic terror attack in our history, perpetrated by Muslims in the name of their false religion. Islam is a death cult - nothing more. Wherever it is practiced, humanity suffers. There is no rationale for allowing this insult other than to appease the P.C. "gods" who are as equally false as the god of Mohammad. Sadly, I do not believe we have the stones to stand up to the Islamo-nuts and fight for our culture, dignity and the memory of our dead. It's a sad commentary on American society in 2010, but it's a commentary nonetheless.
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  • If moderate Muslims want to be disassociated from the other 90%, they should disassociate themselves. It is not our job to do it for them. The dirty little secret of the Islamo-nuts is that there are no moderate Muslims. A moderate Muslim is someone who wouldn't kill their own daughter for sexual indiscretions, but would gladly help stone yours.
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  • As a native of Brooklyn, NY, a Muslim, and 9 year Navy submarine veteran, I don't understand you logic of opposing the building of the mosque. Which, Newt neglected to mention, will also house an interfaith community center (people of ALL religions), gym, performing arts center, swimming pool, etc. To say that they can't build a place of worship in the very country that was founded based on religious freedom is absurd. Please remember that people from many countries and religions lost their lives that day. It is unfair to generalize a population based on the actions of such a small, minute percentage. It's the equivalent of saying all Germans are Nazis, all Catholic priests pedophiles, etc. Which of course, isn't true.

    Myself, as well as all the other peaceful, law-abiding AMERICAN citizens who are Muslim, do not consider those involved in the attacks to even be a part of our religion. They killed innocent men, women and children, and deliberately misinterpreted the Koran for their motives.

    We all suffered and were deeply affected on 9/11, I remember being 3,000 miles from NYC, trying to contact my family to see if they were okay. I couldn't get a hold of anyone for two days.

    I spent 9 years of my life in service to this country, and we all deserve the right to enjoy the freedoms which America was founded upon. Newt, please divert your efforts into helping us get some real answers to what happened that day. Thank you all for reading.
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·         If what you say is accurate, and the actions of a few were not a part or your religion, where is the outrage expressed by the hundreds of peace loving mosques scattered around New York? Are they afraid of retaliation from the jihadists, or do they concur with the actions? Their silence during our abiding pain says so much. Their determination to build a mosque in such a sensitive location says "in your face".

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·         they have not been silent. this man just spoke and he's certainly not the first. you just don't listen. you'd rather make assumptions about a whole religion. and as someone who once lived 5 minutes walk from the WTC and whose wife still works within spitting distance of the proposed development, I can say that this mosque does not threaten me. Why does it threaten you so much?

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·         I do not live under a rock. I have never heard any Muslim leader of any substance condemn the attacks or recognize the poor taste and judgement of building a massive mosque in this sensitive location. Granted, there are a few Muslims with a conscience, but they are afraid to speak out publicly, probably for good reason. Any orgainization that promotes beheadings, stonings, and assigning women to second class status, is not a religion of peace, and only masquerades as a religion at best. If I were in spitting distance from the site, like your wife, I'd take advantage of it.

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·         Every Muslim organization in the US and most Muslims around the world condemned the attacked. That you weren't paying attention doesn't mean it didn't happen. There were even candle light vigils in Iran. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU7yCVBcmxE

American media, particularly Fox News, is poisoning you.

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·         So sorry! The Iran that wants to bomb Israel off of the map must be a different Iran than the one on this video. My apologies to Akmadinajad.

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  • Regardless of the sentiments of Newt or a majority of Americans who oppose the erection of this mosque at the attack site, the "Cordoba House" will be built. This is due to the strength of the nation and the freedoms guaranteed by our sacred Constitution. However, due to the tennants of their "religion?", I believe that their activities ought to be scrutinized like a rattle snake in your family room.
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  • I agree totally with you, Newt. I live in NYC, I was there during 9/11, and I'm totally ashamed, terribly sadden to hear that a mosque is going to be build near where Americans were killed in the name of Islam. WHAT WOULD THEY THINK IF THEY COULD BE AMONG US AGAIN?Don't we know yet that mosques are centers of virulent extremist speeches which teach and propagate extremist views against America and the Western culture? Don't we know yet that Saudi Arabia has financed extremist schools all over Afghanistan and Pakistan in the '80s and '90' which educated thousands who became the Taliban? Who do you think is financing this mosque? Saudi Arabia of course, the famous country to which we are totally indebted and dependent!!! Americans who are saying "I just don't think we can stoop to the level of behavior of the Saudis. We're bigger than that." are falling into their own trap. Don't fool yourself: the muslims extremists are here to find our weaknesses and to use them to destroy us. Are you going to answer them in wrapping yourself in the lofty ideas of freedom, democracy and superiority? Not everybody in the world admire the ideology on which America is built on, and many want to destroy it!
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·         And by the way, Americans weren't killed in the name of Islam on 9/11; they were killed in the name of fanaticism. All Muslims are not murderous fanatics who want to eradicate infidels from the face of the earth, and all Americans are not as narrow-minded and hypocritical as Mr. Gingrich. Thank goodness.

And a religion has "tenets," Christopher, not "tennants." Even an apartment doesn't have "tennants"; it has tenants.

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·         Perry, while I certainly agree with your sentiment that most Muslims are not terrorists or even Islamists, let's not pretend that the 9/11 terrorists were not driven by their interpretation of Islam.

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·         Perry didn't say or suggest that, and whether or not they were driven by their twisted interpretation of the Islam is irrelevant. I could just as easily say that the men who orchestrated the Inquisition or the Crusades were driven by their interpretation of Christianity, and it wouldn't have anything to do with the Christians who don't support such terrible acts.

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·         It has everything to do with how Islamists will interpret the existence of a Mosque that is named after a city that was conquered by a Muslim army this close to ground zero. We do not need to put up with a deliberate insult nor provide our enemies with a psychological victory in some sort of vain attempt to prove how tolerant we are. America's tolerance is beyond dispute.

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·         "Psychological victory?" This isn't Al Qaeda's mosque. It's not Al Qaeda who will benefit from it (remember, they keep trying to label us as anti-Islam oppressors). We're not fighting Islam, we're fighting a radical splinter group that created its own version of Islam to further their evil intent. And as for America's tolerance being beyond dispute, that's only true in America; in Muslim-heavy regions, America's image of tolerance is extremely suspect. If we stand in the way of this mosque, it will only provide more fuel for Al Qaeda's "America hates Islam!" fire, thus driving more Muslims to their cause out of self-defense, giving them the "psychological victory" that you're warning against.

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·         We are not fighting Islam but we are fighting those who are working to impose sharia as the only acceptable form of law. This is more than just al-queada. In parts of France the police have no go zones where the imams control local justice under sharia (which is very anti female, anti gay, anti non muslim etc). There are British politicians arguing for sharia as a parallel legal system for those who want it. Meanwhile, the imam behind the cordoba house is an apologist for sharia.

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·         O Don Quixote! You are fighting windmills!

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·         Yes, Sharia is anti-gay, anti-female, anti-non muslim and all that jazz; yes, Al Qaeda really wants everyone to practice it and are taking psychotic measures to make it happen. But why are you comparing Britain and France to us? Our Constitution makes it utterly illegal for anyone to impose religion on anybody who doesn't accept it willingly. Much of Sharia is already practiced here in the States by some of the Muslim population who accept it as law (the anti-gay and women oppression parts in particular). But keep in mind, Christianity wasn't so different a few centuries ago. So, if Christians can go from a homophobic, male superiority, "Witch hunts are fun" kind of people to a (mostly) tolerant, "Leave it up to God" kind of people, why can't Muslims do the same? Most of them already denounce violence, so they don't have quite as far to go.

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·         Not all Germans were Nazis but with their silence they allowed Millions of innocent people to be murdered, so who cares what the moderate Muslims think if they do nothing to stop the extremists.

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·         Sir, your accusations are unfounded emotional rantings. I reject your arguments and as a fellow New Yorker I am certain that you speak for a tiny minority of our community. You shame us with your bigotry.

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  • We should admire the wisdom of Dr. Gingrich. This issue is crystal clear to all who think about it. ALL, that is, but those who do not put America first. That includes the Left media, Left professors,
    Left politicans, and Left entertainers.
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  • In a more perfect world maybe everyone would live by the Golden Rule. It would be nice if everyone did. We do not live in a perfect world. We live in a world full of a lot of evil people that will kill you in a heart beat just to have their way. In this world if you let your weaker emotions stand in the way of making logical decisions in protecting your life, freedom and happiness you will lose. That's just the way it is. This country is not a melting pot full of Americans anymore. We are a nation split up in to multi culture, multi religious beliefs who refuse to live by the Golden Rule. It's their way or no way. If we don't have enough common since to stand up against groups who demand we change our culture and way of life to please them..Then by God we don't deserve to have the greatest country on planet earth! And History shows we won't.
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·         Newt's comments about not having churches in Saudia Arabia so let's not build a mosque here was a poor example. However the fact that they're calling it "Cordoba House" like Newt stated, is in poor taste, as is the fact as to where the mosque is being built. If the group that is building this mosque were in fact moderates and denounce the actions of the extremist that blew up the trade center and the pentagon, then it is they who should be sensitive. However there are more and more groups that do not wish to assimilate into the culture of the country that they reside in. If this group is in fact moderate then it should be they who should be empathetic to culture and the city that they reside. Wasn't some time ago that the flying of the dixie flag was viewed as a symbol of hatred? The mosque at this location will be a papetual reminder of the devastation that was inflicted on America by one particular religious fanatasism. Not a great way denounce a horrific act or to mend fences.

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·         A perfect way of putting it

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·         Newt's comments about not having churches in Saudia Arabia so let's not build a mosque here was a poor example. However the fact that they're calling it "Cordoba House" like Newt stated, is in poor taste, as is the fact as to where the mosque is being built. If the group that is building this mosque were in fact moderates and denounce the actions of the extremist that blew up the trade center and the pentagon, then it is they who should be sensitive. However there are more and more groups that do not wish to assimilate into the culture of the country that they reside in. If this group is in fact moderate then it should be they who should be empathetic to culture and the city that they reside. Wasn't some time ago that the flying of the dixie flag was viewed as a symbol of hatred? The mosque at this location will be a papetual reminder of the devastation that was inflicted on America by one particular religious fanatasism. Not a great way denounce a horrific act or to mend fences.

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  • Awwww Saudi Arabia doesn't allow churches, let's get all butthurt and not allow mosques.

    Since the problem with this line of thinking is apparently not as obvious as it should be, let's make this clear: the United States is supposed to be held to the highest standards. Our country should strive to be a beacon of hope and liberty, a shining light for others to aspire to. We're not supposed to lower ourselves to the levels of those we find offensive.
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  • Maybe Newt using Saudi Arabia as an example to stop a Mosque being built on the Ground Zero’s property was not the best example to get his point across. But, I don’t care what comparisons he uses the bottom line is this is appalling. I don’t care about your examples of saying we should not stoop to the low level of the Saudi’s or should we not allow women to walk down the streets in their veils. This is totally different. This is a slap in the face to all those who died on 9/11. To all those who helped and witnessed the devastation that we as American’s have never seen before in this country. If I remember correctly (and this might not be a fact) but I recall Donald Trump offering to build on this property years ago and was turned down. Mr. Trump is an American and was told NO why would anyone say yes to a Mosque. I was told this is a free country a person can say and buy land if they want. This is true I fully agree with that statement but is this land free NO it is going cost millions and whoever is selling this land also has the freedom to say NO. As Americans we also have the freedom to say we do not want this on the site of Ground Zero. As stated in a video I saw yesterday there is plenty of land throughout the US that this Mosque could be built on, why Ground Zero??? Are we forgetting so fast, are we so blind as to see the insult to all those who died that day, and to our young men and women that are fighting right now to keep us a FREE and SAFE country. I am shocked by these comments, most people I have spoken with are extremely upset over this Mosque. Fine you don’t feel we should stoop to anyone’s else’s level I agree we should NOT. We should stand tall, strive to reach a higher level and be proud as Americans to stop this insult. We should demand our voices be heard, our freedom be taken even more seriously, and say NO we DO NOT want this. We want something built that will make us always remember FOREVER the Day that devastated our country and the world.
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  • AMEN, BG, AMEN!
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  • RIght on Newt! We definitely should base our standards for religious expression on what they do in Saudi Arabia, which is the paragon of religious freedom and equality. They don't have any synogagues in the Vatican - does that mean we should not build any Catholic Churches in the U.S.

    Why don't you go back to adultery and divorcing your spouse when she is in the hospital with cancer, and leave politics to adults who actually understand and revere the religious and political freedoms that make our country great?
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  • I agree with you Newt 101 percent!! Enough is enough!!!
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  • Huh. I never knew religious freedom had geographic boundaries.
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  • Amazing that people love religious freedom as long as it pertains to so-called Christians.

    Yay for desecrating the first amendment!
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  • So, you literally want us to adopt Saudi Arabia's policies toward minority religions, then. What an American.
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·         We are not asking anyone to adopt Saudi anything! It is Saudi Arabian policy that is trying to rule over America. We are told by muslims that the cross offends them and that we need to take it off our churches, that the star of David has no place. We, who fight for freedom for ALL, not just muslim. All religion is free in America, for now. Do not allow the 'Minority" to tell how only they are allowed to speak. No more PC speach.

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  • As repellent as your comments are, Newt, you should be familiar with basic geography--the site is two blocks from the WTC site.

    You are truly one of the most loathsome Americans out there.
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  • America is better than Saudi Arabia, and we should keep it that way. America's purpose in this world is not to establish Christian institutions in the Muslim world, but rather to remain a beacon of hope and freedom for those of all faiths. Reducing the great design of the US Constitution to the purposes of a petty tit-for-tat calculus of religious competition is a severe corruption of the morality and brilliance of our founding document.

    The Cordoba project is not a threat to the United States, and is heartily approved by the local community. This is a local land use policy issue, and I wish the Christianist demagogues would simply back out of an issue that shouldn't concern them, rather than turning it into an ideological struggle in order to make political hay.
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  • A theocracy that wants to eliminate all other religions and forms of government is not a religion. A theocracy that stones and beheads in the name of allah is not a religion. It is a hateful cancer on the face of the earth that ought to be treated like a rattlesnake living in your bed. No other "religion" with these same principles exists or would be tollerated on American soil, so why are these fanatics being defended? Where were all these tollerant progressives when Christian conservatives were being bashed in the last election?
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  • Nice to see Newt suddenly waking up now to this planned atrocity. Must be 2012 election fever that roused him.
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  • Newt Gingrich argues that the United States has lost its way by bending to the aggressive demands of "Islamists," then insists that we reclaim our rightful status as Top Country of the World by doing exactly as the Islamic Saudis do: refuse to recognize the right to worship as one pleases.

    What kind of bogus, hypocritical advice is this? Newt Gingrich is so out of touch with reality and the America that lives alongside, not on top of, the rest of the real world, that most of what he says in this screed is ridiculous. New York's Mayor Bloomberg has it right: New Yorkers welcome the expression of religious worship by anyone, and we don't close ranks against all Muslims just because a few of them did something really bad.

    The kerfuffle about the Cordoba Center and Gingrich's phonied-up opposition to it would resonate much more powerfully if his arguments against it made any sense at all or showed any degree of thoughtfulness and insight. None of them does; rather, they reinforce the impression that he will say anything and attach his name to even the most despicable and ignorant of opinions in a desperate attempt to get his name mentioned in the blogs and on the nightly news. He unfortunately believes that by publishing these misanthropic diatribes against Muslims he is keeping himself "relevant" in today's cyberuniverse, but in fact he only reveals how increasingly irrelevant he and his opinions actually are.
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·         Nowhere did Gingrich suggest we "refuse to recognize the right to worship as one pleases." He is pointing out the hypocrisy of "interfaith advocates" who do nothing to allow Christians and Jews to visit Mecca and do nothing to get a church or synagogue opened anywhere in Saudi Arabia. This is about exposing their hypocrisy not about applying their standard.
He is clearly fine with the 100 mosques in NYC but adamantly against one that is a deliberate insult. The name "Cordoba House" says it all.

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  • The Saudi comparison is, dare I say, racist.
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·         The Koran is, dare I say, racist.

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  • The Saudi comparison is, dare I say, racist.

    I'm a Muslim. Born in New York City, ethnically from Bangladesh. Why should I be subjected to intolerance based upon what people in Saudi Arabia do? The repetition of this statement reveals two things: 1) that for many (not all) opposition of this mosque stems partially from bigotry, and 2) racism, like all bigotries based on stereotypes, relies on a bedrock of ignorance. In this case, that all Muslims are connected to Saudi Arabia or are Arabs.

    Incidentally, in Bangladesh, there are churches and the prime minister meets with christian community leadership on Christmas, which happens to be a national holiday. The notion that all Muslim countries are intolerant of religious minorities is absolute bull.
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·         I agree that many Muslim countries are "tolerant." Religions can be "tolerated," but not be equal to the "established" or "official" religion.

"Religious Tolerance" and "Religious Freedom" are two different things!

No Muslim country has "religious freedom!" Indeed, it would not be Muslim, since Islam does not support religious "freedom."

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·         This is ignorance founded on poor awareness of the world and a lack of education.

The largest Muslim countries in the world are, by population, Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh. They all have their own churches and temples, they all have their non-Muslim communities. Christmas is a national holiday in all of these countries even though Christians make up a small percentage of their populations.

This assumption that all Muslims are tied to Saudi Arabia, and this lazy imagining that to understand the Muslim world you need only see Saudi Arabia, feeds the bigotry that has become the standard amongst Republicans and Tea Party-ers. It's a false image.

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·         Of course, all of that is academic. I'm an American. I have a friend who is Muslim who spent 3 years of his life doing rotations in Iraq, an American soldier. Another serviceman who is Muslim posted above. They've sacrificed more and demonstrated more patriotism than Newt ever did or ever will. That he would have them categorized and given 2nd class treatment because of what's done in Saudi Arabia is absurd.

We're not accountable for Saudi Arabia's policies. It's not an acceptable rebuttal to Muslims supporting this mosque to say "well, in Saudi Arabia they don't allow churches". Would you tell a black man in America that he should expect poor treatment because of how things are in Africa? Same thing. Bigotry and racism.

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·         Read up on the difference between "Tolerance" (as in "permit," "allow," "suffer") and "Freedom."


The presence of churches, etc. does imply "Tolerance."

But, by no strech does it imply "Freedom."

Let's examine, for example, Indonesia. Indonesia, BTW, is by far the most "tolerant" of the three countries you mentioned.


Let's see..... where to even start with examples:

Indonesia officially "recognizes" ("tolerates") only six religions -- Judaism, for example, is NOT recognized ("tolerated"). Nor is atheism -- you must be a member of one of the recognized religions.

Citizens are required to carry ID cards stamped with their religion. (I'll wager Muslims are not allowed to change their religion.)

The province of Aceh is specifically authorized to establish Sharia law.

There are government "Offices of Religious Affairs" at the central, provincial, and borough levels.

The government has a monopoly on organizing the hajj.

Marriage between people of different religions is not permitted; no civil marriages are permitted; marriages must be done in a religious ceremony.

And on and on....

No, my friend. Indonesia may "tolerate" (some) religions. But it definitely does not have religious "freedom."

Do not confuse the two concepts -- they are not the same!

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·         Building a mosque at ground zero is disrespectful to the country in which you are currently living. There are plenty of other locations in which it would be welcome.

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  • Wow, Newt. Your blog post was either thoughtless, or you do not understand religious freedom, a core concept this nation was founded on.

    You are a pseudo-intellectual, shallow, and poor of judgment. Ego drives you, period.
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  • It's apparent that very few people realize that there were a number of Muslims killed on 9/11, too.
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·         Oh, since there were some Muslims (20-30) killed on 9/11, I guess everything is OK.

If the Japanese had only killed some fellow Japanese at Perl Harbor, then they would have avoided American involvement in World War II.

The Japanese were not very clever -- they should have thought of that.

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·         And it shouldn't be ignored that the WTC attackers on that day killed citizens of other states besides the U.S.

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·         But the Muslim world did not attack us on 9/11. The religion of Islam is NOT our enemy. Our enemy are radicals who want to do us harm. They are not trying to cause us harm simply because we are a majority, Christian nation. They are trying to do us harm to get us the hell out of their countries. Not saying I agree with them at all, but let's get the motivations correct. If Muslims wanted to go to war with all Christianity, then Saudi Arabia would declare a fatwah against the Vatican and all Christians. That hasn't happened.

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·         Collateral damage... in their view

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  • I am profoundly disappointed in this article Mr. Gingrich. I have been a long-time admirer but this article has really left me disgusted. Rather than mimicking your potential adversary from Alaska, Mr. Gingrich, I think most Americans would appreciate it if you remained focused on proffering solutions to our problems.

    This article is inflammatory and laced full of inaccuracies (which further downgrades your credibility).

    Leave it to Sarah to go dumpster diving...How about you spend your time figuring out how to take out the trash?

    Thanks
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  • Dear Newt,
    I didn't know you moved to NYC, we'll be neighbors.
    Oh you didn't; than what the hell are you doing telling me what to do in my city.

    The mosque AIN'T at ground zero.
    It's 2 blocks from the perimeter. which is like in another zip code, in fact it is another zip code.

    You want a voice in what happens in NYC, then come live and pay taxes here.
    Otherwise, shut your fat lip pal.
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·         So, the soldiers that went to fight in Afghanistan after 9/11 came only from NYC? Did only NYC residents pay taxes for the war effort to eradicate Al Qaeda?
I guess you get my drift.

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·         Qatar is not in Saudi Arabia. It is a separate state.

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·         Thank you for posting the facts. Reacting and jumping on assumptions is the Conservative way.

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·         Come on Mr. Teach didn't you use that article in your classroom?

Wouldn't a teacher of world religions know that Saudi Arabia doesn't have any churches other then mosques?

Wouldn't a teacher of world religions point out to MyRealPolitik that Saudi Arabia's legal code is based on Islamic Sharia Law which forbids (illegal) non-Islam public worship and assembly?

Every prudent man acts out of knowledge,
but a fool exposes his folly. Proverbs 13:16

Not all conservatives are reacting and jumping on assumptions neither do all liberals, but every single fool does.

Is your ready defense for tolerance birthed from old wounds? Did someone close to you not tolerate you? Maybe you'll never read this, but my heart breaks for ya. Sure I got a little bent about your alias, I was only making light of it because my heart trembles for you.

Lord Jesus,
You did not labor on this earth and die for the hurt to stay hurt and the lost lost. You have risen! You have taken captivity captive. You are the Lord of Hosts, the King Of Glory, the Sacrificial Lamb and the Lion of Judah. Have mercy on us Son of David. oh Lord, cleanse your Bride. Don't turn away from us Good Shepherd. Forgive my arrogance and judgement. You alone are Judge. We need you Jesus, this country needs you Prince of Peace. Giver of grace grant us more time to repent for your glory oh Lord for your namesake Saviour.
My God, My High King, My High Priest, Source of Eternal Salvation for all who obey you,
In your name JESUS I pray,
Amen

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·         Better read the article, not just the title, before making that claim

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  • You are an idiot. You and Sarah, two peas in a pod.
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·         Yeah, and you are so smart since you can spell the word "idiot".

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  • So you apparently you don't believe in American Exceptionalism. It certainly doesn't seem like it when you say that we should follow the example of a country with horrible civil rights. I think America's place in the world is to set the bar of freedom and tolerance, not lower it to match that of others.
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  • Building an Islamic Mosque is offensive to anyone who is still grieving from the attacks of 9/11. It wasn’t Catholics or Jews that flew the jets into Tower 1 & 2. It was Islamic fundamentalists who chose to attack this country.

    What if some Neo Nazi, Skin Head organization wanted to erect a shrine to Hitler in the middle of Dachau concentration camp?
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·         No one is building a shrine to Osama and don't forget many Muslims were killed in the attacks as well. After Osama declared a fatwa (phonetic spelling) on Americans, the Mosque leaders rose up and declared a fatwa against Osama Bin Laden. Suggesting that Osama represents the Muslim religion is like saying HItler or the Crusaders represent the Christian religion.

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·         There's really no good reason to ratify the thinking of Islamic fundamentalists and then simply blindly react to it. Islamic Fundamentalists claim they stand for the one and only true Islam; it would be wrong and foolhardy to accept their claim. Just like fanatical Christian fundamentalists claim to be the only true Christians. We should nip that thinking in the bud.

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·         We are all Americans. I know this might be shocking, but we have Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, Muslims and all sorts of people with different religions living here free from persecution. That is what makes this country very special. It's a victory for America to have this mosque built here. It just proves to those who are radical that we are not.

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  • I live in NY, I worked at 2 WTC & I am a JEW...I pass the site EVERYDAY ->
    1st The site isnt at, on or even overlooking ground zero.
    2nd - The building is ALREADY being used as a prayer space EVERYDAY (and none of you idiots said a word then)
    3rd - Much closer to ground zero is a discount clothes store, a Burger King, a Pizza shop, and tons of street vendors selling all kinds of crap and food(including Halal food) [and none of you idiots thought that was 'disrespectful or inappropriate]
    4th - This is America, we have freedom of religion AND PROPERTY RIGHTS - they bought the damn land, it is 2 blocks from (the very edge) of WTC - I dont want any Government Official to have the right to simply dictate what can be built on land (as long as it is legal and zoned, etc...) What Newt and Sarah and you other morons are requesting is essentially STEALING property use by the Government. I thought you were CONSERVATIVES????? I thought you wanted LESS GOVERNMENT INTRUSION? WTF??????

    Do I want a mosque there - no not particularly, but I know it isnt up to me or ESPECIALLY the Government (or some big fat wannabe government official like Newt)
    Please LISTEN to Newt and Sarah's rhetoric about the need for less Government intrusion - They are correct - EXCEPT the reason why we must oppose Government intrusion is because politicians like them will say anything and do anything in order to gain and keep power.
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·         You are, of course, correct in your assessment of this situation. Newt is playing for political advantage on the strong and lingering sentiments of most Americans about the 9/11 attack. Nevertheless, building a massive mosque in close proximity to ground zero demonstrates extremely poor judgement and spits in the face of Americans everywhere. Kneejerk reaction dictates that permits would not be forthcoming, but because of the strength of America's sacred Constitution, the mosque will be built. But let's not hear any more about Islam being a religion? of peace. (think stonings, beheadings, women's rights, bombing Israel off of the map). That it's not!

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·         It "spits in the face of Americans everywhere" as long as those Americans are Christian fundamentalists. Most people I know don't give a crap. Most people I know side with the right for them to build a mosque where they want. It is you who is spitting on America to suggest that building this Mosque is intolerant.

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Wolfepest http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png6 days ago in reply to phijef

·         I also, if you reread my post, recognize their right to build the mosque. The problem is, is that people like you are not satisfied with tolerance, but insist on acceptance. Tolerance you have a right to; acceptance is my choice.

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·         Great response. Kudos.

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Sbrobinson http://mediacdn.disqus.com/1052/images/themes/narcissus/moderator.png6 days ago in reply to brklynmind

·         I certainly don't want the Government to steal property. The issue isn't religion. The potential Cordoba Center has been touted as a place to teach "tolerance" . And also to teach non-muslims about Islam being a peaceful religion. Peace is demonstrated through actions, and the WTC was brought down by radical muslims. The irony of the Cordoba Center, headed by an Imam teaching the rest of us about peace and tolerance can't be lost on you. This is about sensibilities, and the need for a little understanding and common sense.

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  • We should be more like Saudi Arabia? Saudi Arabia is, no doubt, intolerant. That's generally what happens when a theocracy rules a country. That's why we are NOT a nation of any religion. Don't forget there were also Muslims killed in the World Trade Center attacks.
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  • This article shows that you, Newt, are JUST as intolerant as any other fundamentalist.
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·         You are perfect example of what Newt is describing in this statement. You lecture us about tolerance while your username is deliberately insulting and intolerant of the vast majority of the world who believes in God.

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·         I do believe that anyone who believes in a sky daddy is dillusional but I am not suggesting that all curches be abolished. I am not preaching for secularism in the private sector. The Mosque has just as much right to exist as those who don't need an invisible friend. I am arguing for tolerance of all beliefs. Yours, theirs and mine.

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·         Neither is Newt suggesting that all mosques be abolished. His point is that it is a little hard to believe the choice of THIS location to build a mosque named after a city that was conquered by a Muslim army is anything but a deliberate insult. And we don't have to put up with being lectured about tolerance by those backing this project if they aren't also willing to push for religious liberty in Saudi Arabia and to allow non-Muslims to visit Mecca.

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·         It was already there. It's two block away from the OUTSKIRTS of the WTC.

I don't CARE what happens in Saudi Arabia. I care what happens in the USA. It's not my right to judge. If the people of Saudi Arabia have a problem with it, then it is up to them to revolt and change.

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·         It was a Burlington Coat Factory until it was destroyed on 9/11 (the entire area was damaged, not just the WTC). One of the plane's engines landed on the very spot we are talking about.

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·         Check this out... especially the last few minutes !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW6roFN7NAE

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·         No one has to Like something to be tolerant of it.

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·         Not all muslims are terrorists, BUT all terrorists are muslims. Its time we take back our CHRISTIAN heritage. Even Jesus was not a pacifist. He said there would be a time to take up the sword. If you want to live in your culture go where your culture welcomes you.

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·         This is not a Christian country, go read George Washington. We have no official religion here and all are welcome, as are atheists, and there will be no official preference given to any.

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·         The founding fathers DID preference Christianity. Americans now don't want God, but this has nothing to do with that.

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