ABC (Australia) Supremos! Are They Chicken Hawks?

ABC (Australia) Supremos!  Are They Chicken Hawks?

 

I spoke to Australia Talk other day and felt obliged to make a posting below. Naturally, I made a few more postings to clarify the complex situation. Alas! The bosses of ABC removed three of my postings!      

Removed items:

  1. (Who invented) Osama bin Laden to Slaughter the Arabs and Muslims

  2. Osama bin Laden! Guilty or Innocent?

  3. USA Must Quit Afghanistan Now

Obviously, my question is, “why the hell they are afraid of proper debate and discussions? What are they hiding?   

 

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·         Marilyn :

01 Jul 2010 12:47:00am

The sick joke is the pretence that we care about Afghan women and kids while we have hundreds of them locked up for daring to seek our help.

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·         Faruque Ahmed :

30 Jun 2010 10:31:43pm

This badly planned illegal and immoral invasion of Afghanistan was decided by the neo-cons without proper debates and discussions inside and outside the Parliament. The whole Afghans operation was based on pure prejudice, bigotry and sheer ignorance! More than 90% victims of this modern day crusade were unarmed women and children. Most importantly, the mercenaries did not do anything good for Afghanistan or her people! This Israel centric war of minerals and strategic games are to encircle Iran and I agree with the former defense chief Parliament Must Approve Overseas Deployment.

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         David Huggett :

30 Jun 2010 11:23:07pm

I totally agree with your comment up to: "...and I agree with the former defense chief Parliament Must Approve Overseas Deployment."
Please elaborate on that last bit - it doesn't fit with your first remarks.

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         Faruque Ahmed :

01 Jul 2010 12:02:40am

Former defense chief Peter Leahy Call for Parliament, not just PM, to approve deploying troops for war and for more please visit this link if you like.

After 9/11, they virtually blackmailed us and forced us to be involved with other peoples wars without any debate and discussions and those wars had nothing to do with Australian defense and safety.

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         Jon Mayhew :

01 Jul 2010 1:37:37am

Faruque, your post is itself a very good, though ironic, example of the "prejudice, bigotry and sheer ignorance" that you mentioned. While the validity of any of the policies of the 'Bush Junior' regime are suspect, you cannot simply dismiss the efforts of the western nations in Afghanistan as (yet another) Israeli conspiracy.


Who are the mercenaries you speak of? Do you mean Australians and other Western Forces trying to build schools, hospitals and other civilian infrastructure? Are they the soldiers trying to protect the UN workers? Or maybe the people trying to train Afghanistani locals to run their own country? None of those people are getting rich from their service in Afghanistan. I resent the fact that young men and women, many of them motivated by a sense of duty and idealism, are giving their lives to help those people while you hide in Australia and insult them. If you are so concerned then go over there and sort out the Taliban yourself.

The only person on the show tonight who made a positive suggestion was the bloke from the Afghanistan community group who suggested a 'coalition' from the Muslim world be sent in to sort the place out. You could join that mob - actions speak louder than words.

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         Faruque Ahmed :

01 Jul 2010 2:33:57am

It is a very touchy subject and the chances of misconceptions are very high. Anyway, the "local solution" was good idea then and even now. Please allow me to answer me in three parts.


(Who invented) Osama bin Laden to Slaughter the Arabs and Muslims

Bin Laden used t be `morally equivalent of American founding fathers'! Osama used to be the pin up boy of the corporate governments!! Secular and nationalists movements around the world used to be enemies of USA and religious extremists were invented and funded by USA, UK and other entities.


One day, the American Terrorist Leader Bush was playing with Billy the goat and we found out about the so called 9/11. All planes of USA were grounded except those ones escorting the precious Bin Laden clans to safe heavens!

Steel structured concrete buildings of Twin Towers melted like volcanic lava. Yet, the passport of the ring leader Mohammad Atta flew into the FBI desk!

Anyway, none of those so called hijackers were originated from Afghanistan. Yet, Afghanistan was attacked and ruined due to pipe line dream and opium trade. Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Laden or 9/11! Yet, the Illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq is well-known as Iraq: A War For Israel and Iraq pullout would hurt Israel but totally ignored by the compliant media and establishments.



In short they are running a crusade! They are using Bin Laden as a reason. Their modern day Inquisition, Conquistador and Crusade are much more brutal and vitriolic than old ones! Therefore it becomes a must to ask the following questions:

1.     Who have elected Osama bin Laden as the leader of the Muslim world?

2.     Since when and under what authority Osama bin Laden became spokes person or the undisputed leader of the Muslim and Arab world?

3.     Since when and under what authority Osama bin Laden became `Pope' of the Arab and Muslim world?

4.     Why Muslims and Arabs have to be guilty of alleged crimes of Osama bin Laden?

5.     Who are behind these deadly games and why?

Source: http://sites.google.com/site/crimesexposed/osama-bin-laden-to-slaughter-the-arabs-and-muslims

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         Faruque Ahmed :

01 Jul 2010 2:34:46am

Osama bin Laden! Guilty or Innocent?

In any civilized society each and everyone is innocent until and unless proven guilty or other wise. Now, could you kindly let me knew, which court, judge or jury have convicted Osama bin Laden of any crime; let alone terrorism? Please do not bog down about the so called confession as we have many innocents in the US prison due to "confession" and many of them were cleared by the higher technology and courts.


Most importantly, the brilliant CIA and FBI were so desperate about Osama bin laden! It is not funny!! They have to doctor a photograph of a Spanish politician to make it look like bin Laden!!!


It is sickening.

 

On the other hand, the case against CIA, FBI and Israel are overwhelming. Many 9/11 Investigations and Reports are smelly.


So, at the end do not forget the word, "beyond reasonable doubt". I say so while I do not like people like bin Laden.



Source: http://sites.google.com/site/crimesexposed/osama-bin-laden-guilty-or-innocent

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         Faruque Ahmed :

01 Jul 2010 2:36:30am

USA Must Quit Afghanistan Now

Salman Rushdie, Bin Laden, Ershad Manji, Ayaan Hirshi Ali, Norma Khouri, 50% Mosque Spaces For Women, Tanvir Ahmed, 72 Virgins to Nothing, Muslim Women Priests, Actual Australian Muslim Virgin, Meal Ticket in Germany, Monica Ali, Burqa, Bushfire, Dog, all are carefully crafted and nurtured "accelerants" to create bushfires around the world between various sex, race, religion and people. Corporate governments of USA and Europe used to aid and abet religious extremists to counter nationalist secular movements around the world!



The Taliban and al-Qaida are a few groups biting them back and they do not have any relationship between any reae and religion.



On September 27, 2001, the FBI released photos of the 19 hijackers, along with information about the possible nationalities and aliases of many.[85] Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt (Atta), and one from Lebanon.[86]



15 of the alleged 19 "hijackers" were from US backed Saudi Arabia and none from Afghanistan!



On October 7, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan offered to "detain bin Laden and try him under Islamic law" if the United States made a formal request and presented the Taliban with evidence. The U.S. rejected this offer as insufficient.[41]



On October 14 the Taliban offered to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country in return for a bombing halt, but only if the Taliban were given evidence of Bin Laden's involvement.[46] The U.S. rejected this offer as a public relations ploy and continued military operations.



However, ten years of maiming and murdering innocent civilians, destroying nature and environment due to congenital prejudice and bigotry of the Zionised and robotic Americans, today, almost everyone have turned against them!

Therefore, the Americans must quit Afghanistan with proper apology and compensation without any delay whatsoever.


The abject failure of USA in Afghanistan from the beginning to end are due to a series of monumental failures of US strategies, tactics and arrogance impregnated with prejudice and bigotry. No one can blame any race or religion for their own wrong deeds!



Source: http://nswicac.blogspot.com/2010/05/usa-must-quit-afghanistan-now.html

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·         Ralph :

30 Jun 2010 8:39:16pm

Are we there at all for the"people" of Afghanistan? It is claimed that we are, as well as for other matters, supporting a friend (the USA) , war on terrorism. In these noble pursuits, it seems we have to support an incredibly corrupt regime, a regime that rigs elections, who gives lip service to democratic and gender equality principles, who is in league with brutal warlords etc. Maybe we are doing some temporary good but can we say after nine years that we have achieved sustainable improvements in the lives of the Afghan people, apart from those with good connections to government?

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         David Huggett :

30 Jun 2010 10:13:34pm

Ralph, When you said, "we have to support an incredibly corrupt regime, a regime that rigs elections, who gives lip service to democratic and gender equality principles, who is in league with brutal warlords etc", did you realise how accurately you were describing - not Afghanistan - but America?

 

 

 Australia Talk

 Australia Talk debate is getting hotter and taxi is being quizzed by almost everyone!

Beside two published comments of taxi here are three more in this subject.

It is a very touchy subject and the chances of misconceptions are very high. Anyway, the "local solution" was good idea then and even now. Please allow me to answer me in three parts.  

 

(Who invented) Osama bin Laden to Slaughter the Arabs and Muslims

Bin Laden used t be `morally equivalent of American founding fathers'! Osama used to be the pin up boy of the corporate governments!! Secular and nationalists movements around the world used to be enemies of USA and religious extremists were invented and funded by USA, UK and other entities.

One day, the American Terrorist Leader Bush was playing with Billy the goat and we found out about the so called 9/11. All planes of USA were grounded except those ones escorting the precious Bin Laden clans to safe heavens!

Steel structured concrete buildings of Twin Towers melted like volcanic lava. Yet, the passport of the ring leader Mohammad Atta flew into the FBI desk!

Anyway, none of those so called hijackers were originated from Afghanistan. Yet, Afghanistan was attacked and ruined due to pipe line dream and opium trade. Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Laden or 9/11! Yet, the Illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq is well-known as Iraq: A War For Israel and Iraq pullout would hurt Israel but totally ignored by the compliant media and establishments.


In short they are running a crusade! They are using Bin Laden as a reason. Their modern day Inquisition, Conquistador and Crusade are much more brutal and vitriolic than old ones! Therefore it becomes a must to ask the following questions:

1.     Who have elected Osama bin Laden as the leader of the Muslim world?

2.     Since when and under what authority Osama bin Laden became spokes person or the undisputed leader of the Muslim and Arab world?

3.     Since when and under what authority Osama bin Laden became `Pope' of the Arab and Muslim world?

4.     Why Muslims and Arabs have to be guilty of alleged crimes of Osama bin Laden?

5.     Who are behind these deadly games and why?

Source: http://sites.google.com/site/crimesexposed/osama-bin-laden-to-slaughter-the-arabs-and-muslims

 

 

Osama bin Laden! Guilty or Innocent?

 

In any civilized society each and everyone is innocent until and unless proven guilty or otherwise.

Now, could you kindly let me knew, which court, judge or jury have convicted Osama bin Laden of any crime; let alone terrorism?

Please do not bog down about the so called confession as we have many innocents in the US prison due to "confession" and many of them were cleared by the higher technology and courts.

Most importantly, the brilliant CIA and FBI were so desperate about Osama bin laden! It is not funny!! They have to doctor a photograph of a Spanish politician to make it look like bin Laden!!!

It is sickening.

On the other hand, the case against CIA, FBI and Israel are overwhelming. Many 9/11 Investigations and Reports are smelly.

So, at the end do not forget the word, "beyond reasonable doubt". I say so while I do not like people like bin Laden. 

Source: http://sites.google.com/site/crimesexposed/osama-bin-laden-guilty-or-innocent

 

USA Must Quit Afghanistan Now

 

Salman Rushdie, Bin Laden, Ershad Manji, Ayaan Hirshi Ali, Norma Khouri, 50% Mosque Spaces For Women, Tanvir Ahmed, 72 Virgins to Nothing, Muslim Women Priests, Actual Australian Muslim Virgin, Meal Ticket in Germany, Monica Ali, Burqa, Bushfire, Dog, … all are carefully crafted and nurtured "accelerants" to create bushfires around the world between various sex, race, religion and people. Corporate governments of USA and Europe used to aid and abet religious extremists to counter nationalist secular movements around the world!

The Taliban and al-Qaida are a few groups biting them back and they do not have any relationship between any reae and religion.

On September 27, 2001, the FBI released photos of the 19 hijackers, along with information about the possible nationalities and aliases of many.[85] Fifteen of the hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, two from the United Arab Emirates, one from Egypt (Atta), and one from Lebanon.[86] 

15 of the alleged 19 "hijackers" were from US backed Saudi Arabia and none from Afghanistan!

On October 7, the Taliban ambassador to Pakistan offered to "detain bin Laden and try him under Islamic law" if the United States made a formal request and presented the Taliban with evidence. The U.S. rejected this offer as insufficient.[41]

On October 14 the Taliban offered to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country in return for a bombing halt, but only if the Taliban were given evidence of Bin Laden's involvement.[46] The U.S. rejected this offer as a public relations ploy and continued military operations.

However, ten years of maiming and murdering innocent civilians, destroying nature and environment due to congenital prejudice and bigotry of the Zionised and robotic Americans, today, almost everyone have turned against them! 

Therefore, the Americans must quit Afghanistan with proper apology and compensation without any delay whatsoever.

The abject failure of USA in Afghanistan from the beginning to end are due to a series of monumental failures of US strategies, tactics and arrogance impregnated with prejudice and bigotry. No one can blame any race or religion for their own wrong deeds!      

Source:  http://nswicac.blogspot.com/2010/05/usa-must-quit-afghanistan-now.html

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