Latest Update: 11.12.2022


Hello Chess Friends,

As usual, I am pleased to announce that,Here is another new Opening Testings IIPlayed in the name of SCCT-Unique suite!
1st of all,Many thanks to all suite creators, without you:These kinds of opening testings would not exist..And what I can say more, We need more games for a better conclusion,Anyhow, I have some experience with many of The below suites (tested on my older tours), soSome of these suites are really good, great job!Include many strong opening lines that can helpFor right Elo measurements..but what a pity thatI can not say same words for some of the rest..e.gThere are such handicapped openings, which are Released without any serious tuning, but who cares?The FUN should be most as important part, right?
2nd. The suites with less than 90% - 85% draws, Will be not bad to be checked by 'magnifying glass'Especially about the ones with less than 70% draws,Because according to my experience, e.g via very strong openings: no any way to get these very low Draw perc..maybe in 10 sec/game).. just saying..
3rd. Which opening suites are best, in case of Determining any engine strength ? not so easy To be answered...however, I will try to help over:E.g via very strong openings, the Elo difference Between Cfish vs Kayra should be about 15 EloE.g with various average in strength openings:I expect their strength to be minus plus 50 EloAbout rest numbers.. now you can imagine...)But definitely 'real' strength is less than100 EloExc. via very weak (handicapped) openings..!)And the produced games (based on weak lines)Are very useful? I think that not much for many.Because strong opening theory is concentrated to Be improved on better way..not to make it worse!But since NNUE is out...it looks like, we will seeMany testings via unusual critical weak lines...
4rd. Why Cfish vs Kayra used for current tests?Because they are one of my favorite engines!)Plus not good idea if both to be close in strengthOtherwise, via weak lines will be as lottery to seeAbout which one will be as strongest out there!Not so clear? if so..for anyone missed: ResultsBtw, Kayra is several times as Number One...!No doubt is one of the strongest NNUE engines! About Cfish, many times was Number One too!Due to no updates..so no BIG chances vs KayraActually it all depends e.g via some weak lines,The old-dated Cfish was able to defeat Kayra.!But not via latest Balsa ver or via Balsa Top50What does it mean? probably the experts willExplain better than Me..but anyhow, as we seeIn overall openings, Cfish suffers (vs Kayra.)
5th, and once more (for anyone missed...),Via very weak openings...be careful please!Just FUN you may see...no more no less...!And just in case...use various test suites, butIt's required thousands of games (per player)!E.g via strong openings: 500-1000 is enough!
And here are the latest played opening results:
The overall (all results in one): +52 Elo / 78% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +420/-78/=1822 57.37% 1331.0/23202 Cfish 130821 +78/-420/=1822 42.63% 989.0/2320
Note: SCCT Unique suite's results are closest to overall...not bad!--------------------------------------------------8moves_v3 : +28 Elo / 86% draws
1 Kayra 1.6 +11/-3/=86 54.00% 54.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +3/-11/=86 46.00% 46.0/100-----------------------------------------------Balsa 181022 : +14 Elo / 96% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +4/-0/=96 52.00% 52.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +0/-4/=96 48.00% 48.0/100
Note: This suite is private one...I tested just out of curiosity..Btw, yes.. one of the strongest suites that I've ever created!Its draw performance as Top NNUE engine) no much holes!-----------------------------------------------Balsa Top 50 : +21 Elo / 94% draws
1 Kayra 1.6 +6/-0/=94 53.00% 53.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +0/-6/=94 47.00% 47.0/100-----------------------------------------------Balsa_v500 (5 moves) : +28 Elo / 90% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +9/-1/=90 54.00% 54.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +1/-9/=90 46.00% 46.0/100-----------------------------------------------Balsa wins (8 moves) : +31 Elo / 87% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +11/-2/=87 54.50% 54.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +2/-11/=87 45.50% 45.5/100
Note: Based on wins, but many of them out in latest Balsa vers.------------------------------------------------Chad's Suite (8 moves) : +38 Elo / 83% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +14/-3/=83 55.50% 55.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +3/-14/=83 44.50% 44.5/100------------------------------------------------ChessOK-Pre2022HQ : +21 Elo / 88% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +9/-3/=88 53.00% 53.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +3/-9/=88 47.00% 47.0/100------------------------------------------------DOTS6 Openings : +115 Elo / 46% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +43/-11/=46 66.00% 66.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +11/-43/=46 34.00% 34.0/100
------------------------------------------------Feobos_v20.1 Contempt 5 : +21 Elo / 88% draws
1 Kayra 1.6 +9/-3/=88 53.00% 53.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +3/-9/=88 47.00% 47.0/100-----------------------------------------------Hert_250_lowdraws : +45 Elo / 87% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +13/-0/=87 56.50% 56.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +0/-13/=87 43.50% 43.5/100-----------------------------------------------No Book : +17 Elo / 95% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +5/-0/=95 52.50% 52.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +0/-5/=95 47.50% 47.5/100
Note: Both engines are played without any opening suite-----------------------------------------------Noob_5moves : +53 Elo / 85% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +15/-0/=85 57.50% 57.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +0/-15/=85 42.50% 42.5/100-----------------------------------------------NoomenBigTestsuite : +60 Elo / 81% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +18/-1/=81 58.50% 58.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +1/-18/=81 41.50% 41.5/100-----------------------------------------------SCCT Book CS : +35 Elo / 86% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +12/-2/=86 55.00% 55.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +2/-12/=86 45.00% 45.0/100
Note: Openings based on wins by latest SCCT's Top deep booksFrankly not so various...but no doubt that strong trend openings!And all credits are going to SCCT Top Book Authors..thank you!------------------------------------------------SCCT Champ v50 : +89 Elo / 57% draws
1 Kayra 1.6 +34/-9/=57 62.50% 62.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +9/-34/=57 37.50% 37.5/100
Note: Openings based on World Chess Champions, for Details-----------------------------------------------SCCT - Unique : +53 Elo / 81% draws
1 Kayra 1.6 +17/-2/=81 57.50% 57.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +2/-17/=81 42.50% 42.5/100
Note: Based mainly on Balsa, Perfect books, for more Details-----------------------------------------------Salvo Opening Suite : +21 Elo / 92% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +7/-1/=92 53.00% 53.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +1/-7/=92 47.00% 47.0/100
Note: Salvo is one of the strongest opening test suites for sure!------------------------------------------------Silver Suite : +38 Elo / 83% draws
1 Kayra 1.6 +14/-3/=83 55.50% 55.5/1002 Cfish 130821 +3/-14/=83 44.50% 44.5/100------------------------------------------------SuperGM 4 Moves : +49 Elo / 84% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +15/-1/=84 57.00% 57.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +1/-15/=84 43.00% 43.0/100------------------------------------------------TCEC 22_superfinal : +108 Elo / 56% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +37/-7/=56 65.00% 65.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +7/-37/=56 35.00% 35.0/100------------------------------------------------TCEC 23_superfinal : +92 Elo / 56% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +35/-9/=56 63.00% 63.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +9/-35/=56 37.00% 37.0/100------------------------------------------------TUH Test Suite : +92 Elo / 61% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +39/-8/=73 62.92% 75.5/1202 Cfish 130821 +8/-39/=73 37.08% 44.5/120
Note: Based mainly on TCEC, UHO openings, for more Details ------------------------------------------------UHO_2022_8mvs_+120_+129 : +123 Elo / 48% draws 1 Kayra 1.6 +43/-9/=48 67.00% 67.0/1002 Cfish 130821 +9/-43/=48 33.00% 33.0/100------------------------------------------------
More DetailsBoth engines are AVX2, tested with default EvalfilesFor fair conditions: each opening is played as twiceIn this tour: 23 (twenty three) opening tests are doneIn case of interest, Unique suite available: Download Note also that I've included all the played GAMES tooPlus as bonus, the package contains SCCT Book CSHave fun and happy testings !)
And I hope,- You like my activities...just for Computer Chess's progress!- All of the current opening test suites results will be helpful..


Best,Sedat