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Anders Behring Breivik Court Transcript 2012-05-31 Live Report


Thursday 31 May 2012

8:52 The first witness today is Jørg Morland from the National Public Health Institute. He will provide an assessment of whether Breivik was affected by drugs or anabolic steroids 22 July.

8:59 Breivik being led into the courtroom.

9:02 The court is set.

9:05 Jørg Morland take the witness stand and asked about personal information.

9:06 Morland will start to ask questions to Breivik.

9:08 The court must take a ten minute break because of problems with video transfer to other courts.

9:19 Morland getting ready to go again.

9:19 Morland: - Did you use ECA stack 22 July?

9:20 Breivik: - Yes, that's right. I had made it himself. The doses I had made myself, and was 50 percent stronger than the commercial.

9:20 Breivik: - I took the last dose at. 12.30.

9:21 Morland: - How many days did you have used this before, and for how long?

9:22 Breivik answered that he took one capsule a few days prior to the 22/7.

9:23 Morland will provide a summary of his assessments of the extent of this influence was.

9:24 Morland says Breivik had used two types of anabolic steroids in the forefront, as well as a so-called ECA stack.

9:25 Morland said that blood and urine samples, and a medical examination showed that Breivik seemed affected by his arrest.

9:26 Morland said it was found among other things, ephedrine, caffeine and traces of anabolic steroids in the samples.

9:27 Morland explains how ephedrine works, and that similar effects of amphetamine.

9:28 Morland: - High doses of ephedrine may cause sensory confusion.

9:29 Morland: - Use of large doses of ephedrine for a long time can lead to psychosis, according to the literature.

9:29 Morland explains how caffeine affects the body.

9:30 Morland then comes in on the two different types of anabolic steroids that Breivik used.

9:31 Morland said that a study from 2004 shows that steroids in some cases can lead to increased aggression.

9:32 Morland goes into detail Breivik's use of these substances.

9:34 Morland said that ephedrine levels in Breivik 22/7 was slightly higher than in a so-called therapy dose.

9:34 Caffeine levels in Breivik corresponded to 6-8 medium-sized cups of coffee.

9:36 Morland said that steroid levels in Breivik was consistent with what he has stated.

9:37 Morland said the stimulant intoxication had Breivik, corresponding to a low dose of amphetamine.

9:38 Morland believes that steroid use may have led to increased aggressiveness in Breivik.

9:39 Lippestad ask if the clinical examination of Breivik carried out on the night of 23 July.

9:39 Morland replies that Breivk appeared tired, but something upset.

9:40 Lawyer asks for Larsen observations of Breivik shortly after his arrest. He had a tendency to hyperventilation.

9:40 Morland responded that drugs may have contributed to this.

9:42 Morland says Breivik may have been dehydrated after his arrest because of their use.

9:43 Breivik comment on their use of steroids in the days before 22/7 - I spent some time testing this out.

9:44 Morland is finished with his testimony.

9:45 Next witness is a police interrogator, Geir Egil Løken.

9:46 Løken is going to talk about the experiences around the interrogations of Breivik.

9:48 Løken begins to explain the basis for questioning by Breivik.

9:49 Løken: - Our aim is to obtain as much reliable information as possible.

9:49 Løken conducted interrogation of the Breivik Utøya.

9:51 Løken: - The main impression is that the defendant you have seen in court, is the one we have seen in 220 hours of questioning.

9:52 Løken: - We see the defendant as patient and persistent. There has been a good tone in the interrogations.

9:53 Løken: - He was aware of how he was perceived.

9:54 Løken: - The defendant distinguishes clearly between the case and person.

9:55 Løken: - He has both humor and self irony. He jokes with no victims.

9:56 Løken: - He has focused on the details, and not so much focus on the overriding things.

9:58 Løken: - We were soon left with the impression that the defendant wishes to make a good impression, to perform.

10:00 Løken refers to interrogate 23/7, which Breivik appeared as concerned about their appearance and look.

10:01 Løken enter Breivik's use of foreign words, which he thought was a bit unusual.

10:02 Løken reads examples from interviews that illustrate the use of foreign words.

10:03 Løken said interrogation team eventually discovered that Breivik's knowledge was superficial.

10:03 Løken said Breivk referring to Wikipedia as a primary source.

10:05 Løkens come in at examples where Breivik made statements contradictory. He refers to the friends' testimony in court Tuesday, and testimony about the two other indications KT cells.

10:06 Løken: - What we see is that the defendant continued adapt.

10:07 Løkens then quote what Breivik has said about the so-called Laser Man 2, Peter Manga, Hadeland killings.

10:09 The Løken tells of interrogation by Breivik on Utøya.

10:10 Løken's first meeting with Breivik was being questioned twice in the beginning of August.

10:11 Løken: - We had planned to start the interrogation of the boat, heading towards Utøya.

10:11 Løken: - On the way out he explained in detail. He said he would explain as much as possible.

10:12 Løken: - The defendant physically illustrated what he did. There was more detail than from the interrogation room.

10:13 Løken: - He had a little trouble remembering the geography and chronology.

10:14 Løken: - At least three times while we were on the island he reasoned his way to the answers.

10:17 Løken: - During the hearing on Utøya in the middle of August was probably remembering the defendant more than he remembered.

10:17 Løkens are asked by the prosecutor if Engh Breivik remembered the details of what happened in the cafe building.

10:18 Løken answered that there were three episodes of this interrogation on Utøya, where he did not remember what happened in the cafe building. Breivik constructed answers, says Løken.

10:19 Løkens go into the details of these three episodes.

10:23 Løken comes into the question of to what extent Breivik has changed their explanations along the way.

10:24 The court takes a break until 10:40, Løken continues the explanation then.

10:43 The court will continue the negotiations.

10:46 Løken: - The defendant has said that he has not talked about KT with other than those in KT.

10:46 Løken: - He did not until he spoke with the police after 22/7.

10:48 Løken explains which occasions Breivik has been given access to information from others.

10:50 Løken: - When the defendant in the beginning to tell on KT, he said that he was a cell commander, and that there were 15,000 militant nationalists in Norway. There were secret sympathizers in the police, said the defendants.

10:50 Løken: - He was the supreme leader, and presented himself as a commander and leader of KT in Norway.

10:51 Løken: - He focused on that KT has "extremely talented" members.

10:52 Løken: - Later he assumed that it was 13 to 80 members in Europe.

10:53 Løken: - When it comes to the compendium, the defendant explained that he traveled from London in 2002 by 50-60 pages notes. On the basis of this material, he made the compendium.

10:53 Løken: - In the first interview he said that he took four years to write it.

10:54 Løken: - Production and distribution of the compendium was the main task, he said.

10:55 Løken: - Utøya and government quarter was just around the fireworks, he said.

10:57 Løken: - He described himself as a central figure in KT, and KT had members in several countries. The two other Norwegian cells were described as that they could do the same thing as what he had done. The cells were described as gifted.

10:59 Løken: - In the further explanations were the word "glossy picture" used on two occasions on KT.

11:00 Løken: - In spite of this, the defendant explained to the colorful uniforms before he became familiar with the contents of the first expert declaration, which was 29 november.

11:02 Løken: - How he was influenced by the media, he explained that he had chosen a strategy where he would talk about KT in a pompous manner. He realized he had to change strategy.

11:03 Løken: - Made when a step change in the interrogations, 1 March and 8 March this year.

11:03 Løken: - He explained that he toned down the pompous about KT.

11:04 Løken: - The network exists, he said, but the network was described so that it could be.

11:05 Løken: - The KT calling for a network, was, according to the defendant a public relations strategy.

11:06 Løken: - The defendant repeated several times that the conflict was a civil war.

11:07 Løken: - It started in 1999, after the Kosovo conflict. In March, he said that he has never said that "we are in a civil war."

11:08 Løkens on the use of the term Commander: - During the hearing on Utøya and police station the next day he presented himself as commander.

11:08 Løken: - The first time "foot soldier" was used, was 9 november.

11:09 Løken: - In two interviews in March, he used "foot soldier".

11:10 Løken: - The defendant has changed in the explanations.

11:10 Løken: - The clearest change appeared 1 March and 8 March. We reacted with amazement at the way he passed on.

11:11 Løken: - The defendant actually said on one occasion that the compendium was not important.

11:12 Løken: - He hold the meeting in London, and meeting with the Serb.

11:13 Prosecutors Engh: - We have been interested in word usage, and words like "glossy picture."

11:13 Prosecutors Engh ask what Løken is referring to when he describes Breivik's explanation of the uniform as colorful.

11:14 Løken: - The defendant said it would be disrespectful to wear uniforms during interrogation, since he had so much respect for the uniform.

11:15 Løken: - It is generally the amount is about KT during the interrogations.

11:16 The scope of the Knights Templar changed during interrogations, concludes Løken.

11:17 Løken: - The defendant has described himself as intelligent, and he referred to the selection criteria in KT. But in March, said the defendants that the criteria were random.

11:19 Løken: - The defendant had probably not expected that he would become known irresponsible.

11:20 Lippestad Løken ask about the changes in Breivik's positions: - What changed in March?

11:21 Løken: - He says more or less the same in March, but our experience of it struck with full force then.

11:22 Lippestad: - Were there other factors in the explanation or between those who were not so common in the beginning?

11:23 Løken said negotiations were underway: - The defendant asked the early requirements to allow the interview.

11:24 Løken: - What was special, was that we had established a group interview. We conveyed that we who did the questioning, was separated from that which had brought negotiations to do.

11:25 Lippestad: - Have you discussed whether the defendant made the KT network more dangerous than it is, to bring about a negotiation?

11:26 Løken: - It was a terrible uncertain situation after 22/7. It is clear that a man who has done this, was taken seriously.

11:26 Løken: - But questioning the group has not discussed this.

11:28 Løken Lippestads answer questions about Breivik explosives knowledge - Our focus was whether he had help.

11:29 Løken: - Experts were sometimes impressed.

11:30 Lippestad: - he explained something about the "poor man's atomic bomb"?

11:32 Løkens are asked by the medforsvarer Breivik feared infection. - No, replies Løken.

11:33 Larsen Lawyer asks for hearing on 9 August: - The impression you got from him, has it changed?

11:33 Løken: - It is the same person, he may become a little more reticent about the KT network.

11:35 Løken said he had been about 70 hours in interviews with Breivik. Lawyer Larsen asks if he has made his thoughts about Breivik's mental health.

11:36 Løken replies that he has not considered that Breivik need medical help, but reacted to the Breivik could explain calmly about Utøya.

11:38 Right Psychiatrist Sørheim questions about the changes in Breivik's explanation can be positioned relative to the other team with the right psychiatrists, which began its work in February.

11:39 Løken: - From 17 February is five, six meetings, and an interrogation 1 March. The possible impact must have occurred before 1 March in these meetings.

11:41 Prosecutors Engh: - Can you describe what you think about that Breivik is pragmatic when he explains about the killing of Utøya?

11:42 Løken: - When he testified before, we used cognitive techniques. The victims of the acts were objects in a story. The defendant does not use big words, but describe it as if it were in a movie.

11:43 Løken: - To describe the first murders were described as difficult by the defendant.

11:44 Løken says Breivik has had a calm body language as he has explained himself.

11:47 Løkens are asked by an associate judge if he could elaborate on that bomb experts were impressed by Breivik bomb.

11:48 Løken: - The first phase of bombelagingen was complex.

11:49 Breivik comments Løken explanation: - There is an assumption that many are a nationalist, not an assertion. When it comes to statement 15 000 militant nationalists in Norway, I believe that there are so many who are inclined to be.

11:51 Breivik: - I make mistakes like everyone else, and is not afraid to admit mistakes (on the use of "expropriation", which Breivik would rather used "requisition")

11:51 The court will take the lunch break at 24:35.

12:36 Senior Scientist and historian Terje Emberland is the first witness after lunch break.

12:38 Emberland has written articles and books on contemporary religious and anti-Semitism and Nazi history.

12:40 Breivik enters the courtroom.

12:43 The prosecutor asks Holden Emberland tell if the professional background.

12:45 The prosecutor asks Holden Emberland describe Breivik's ideology.

12:46 Emberland: - After 22/7, there was much uncertainty about how to place Breivik. After reading the compendium and heard his explanation, I think things are a little clearer.

12:46 Emberland: - Breivik's ideas is fascist.

12:47 Emberland: - These ideas are the main elements of what is a fascist world view.

12:48 Emberland: - Breivik elements from a variety of traditions and blends them together. This is not unknown among today's fascists.

12:49 Emberland: - There is an underlying structure of thought that is fascist.

12:53 Emberland about the items that appear bizarre: - Breivik has motivated terrorist attack that there is a catastrophic bastardisering.

12:54 Emberland: - He refers to the Germanic, Nordic race will be extinct in a few generations.

12:56 Emberland: - Breivik talking about a pan-Nordic movement that historically gained the thirties.

12:56 Emberland: - The Nordic race was thought the foundations of racial thinking in SS.

12:57 Emberland points out that it was created racial reserves of the German Nazis.

12:59 Emberland shows that Norway was important for Nazi Lebensborn project during the war.

13:00 Emberland miss a framework in the first psychiatric report which one interprets Breivik's ideology in the light of this.

13:02 Emberland then goes into how the conspiracy theorists may feel chosen to resist.

13:03 Emberland points out that among other things, are priests who lit the Parliament in the ban, without being morbid done.

13:05 Emberland: - When it comes Breivik means, when we limit how I as an historian can explain action preparedness.

13:07 Emberland continues Breivik descriptions of knighthood, and draws parallels to the German Nazi fanaticism of the Crusader knights.

13:09 Emberland: - The most striking similarity is the view of war's nature.

13:10 Emberland: - It is irrelevant what Breivik think of this parallel.

13:11 Emberland: - It is the same type of structure and thinking. About Breivik has been inspired by the SS or not is irrelevant.

13:14 Prosecutors Engh wonder if there are historical "hooks" that says something about when people with such ideology is considered wrong.

13:15 Emberland: - It is hard to believe that a race war ideology that has involved millions, means that all of these are clinically ill.

13:17 Breivik want to comment Emberland statement said Lippestad.

13:18 Lawyer Elgesem Emberland ask about the requirements that were put to an SS man, in the light of Emberland definition of fascism.

13:19 Emberland: - The willingness to carry out barbaric, but necessary actions. An SS man would be perfect and selvoppfordrende.

13:20 Emberland: - In this way, mass murder of Jews defended.

13:22 Emberland: - The term kulturbolsjevik was used on everything that was wrong (Breivik refers to the use of the term "cultural Marxist")

13:25 Emberland: - Promotes ideology that one must set aside the morality, it is a complex relationship between motivation and massacres.

13:28 Psychiatrist Husby: - ??Do you have knowledge of the historical analogies of individuals who "traces of" the mass killing?

13:28 Emberland: - Laser Man is an example.

13:30 Psychiatrist Aspaas ask if there are outstanding features of Breivik.

13:31 Emberland: - His Templar mythology is in many ways which he has developed himself. He will bring together groups into the "new".

13:32 Emberland say uniforms, parades and rank schemes are known historically from National Socialism.

13:34 Emberland Breivik notes that fascism does not fit into the Italian or German fascism.

13:40 Breivik can comment Emberland: - When it comes to fascism, there is a contested concept. In theory I support is not a one-party system. When it comes to "Nordic race", I have never used the word "race". I have used the term "Nordic group".

13:40 Breivik: - I have never argued for a Nordic superiority, but a Nordic survival.

13:41 Breivik: - "Eurarabia" is not a conspiracy theory, which I found in my compendium.

13:42 Breivik: - I am far from a national socialist. I support Israel's fight against Jihad.

13:43 Emberland do not want to give further comments, he has finished his testimony and the right to take a break at. 14.05.

14:04 The witness Tore Bjørgo getting ready to testify. Bjørgo is a professor at the Police Academy.

14:08 Bjørgo has studied terrorism and right extremism since the late eighties

14:10 Bjørgo 22/7-saken followed closely, and participated in numerous debates. He is also a senior researcher at NUPI.

14:11 Bjørgo want to examine to what extent the defendant's statements and actions are consistent with the known forms of right-wing ideology of violence.

14:13 Bjørgo says that he will also go into the extent to which the defendant's actions and statements can be understood on the basis of psychiatric diagnoses. - These two hypotheses are not mutually exclusive, points out Bjørgo.

14:14 Bjørgo says the concept of right extremism covers a wide range of ideologies and movements in common.

14:15 Bjørgo says that a move is to look at groups of people as fundamentally different and of varying value.

14:15 Bjørgo: - The second is a conspiratorial understanding of the world.

14:17 Bjørgo: - The third element is the idea that our people are threatened by a catastrophic destruction, and that violent resistance is a legitimate response to prevent this.

14:17 Bjørgo shows that Breivik has said that all Muslims are jihadists in sheep's clothing.

14:18 Bjørgo says there are three right-wing extremist violent discourses.

14:19 Bjørgo: - The first is the neo-Nazi White Power movement, which fights against the Zionist occupation regime.

14:20 Bjørgo: - The second variant is immigration opponents, who are fighting against the Islamic invasion and today's traitors.

14:21 Bjørgo: - The third is Breivik Knights Templar, the new crusaders.

14:23 Bjørgo explains about two novels in recent times have served as ideological doctrines and terrorism manuals, "Turner Diaries" and "Hunter". The former was referred to the so-called Oklahomabomberen.

14:23 Both books were written by William Pierce.

14:24 Bjørgo go into detail on the content of the novel "The Turner Diaries," where a group takes power in California through coups and create a "united nation".

14:26 Bjørgo continues Arne Myrdal, who was an ideologue for militant anti-immigration in Norway.

14:27 Bjørgo: - Myrdal describes immigrants and asylum seekers as "pioneers in a Muslim invading army." In an interview I did with him in 1989 he said that the Civil War lay three years ahead.

14:29 Bjørgo: - Myrdal had this idea of ??traitors, and he sought Inspectorate for a license to create a "traitor register".

14:30 Bjørgo: - He had three categories: Dignitaries, political traitors and traitors.

14:31 Bjørgo: - In Breivik compendium can be found again very much the same.

14:33 Bjørgo: - Breivik describes the three stages of the "European civil war".

14:34 Bjørgo: - Breivik also talks about three jihad campaigns to conquer Europe for Islam.

14:35 Bjørgo: - Breivik legitimizes mass murder of Muslims murder and rape of at least 200,000 Christian Europeans.

14:37 Bjørgo: - The pompous aesthetics in Breivik, I have not found in traditional anti-immigration, but there are elements of it with neo-Nazis.

14:38 Bjørgo says Breivik tried to launch an alternative that was unifying his knighthood romance.

14:40 Bjørgo: - Terrorism is characterized by a planned act of violence or the threat thereof, in order to create fear. Al-Qaeda has focused this.

14:42 Bjørgo: - terrorist strategies is to get attention, convey the message, creating fear and inability to act or to the authorities or others to give in to certain demands.

14:42 Bjørgo: - The primary purpose of carrying out terror attacks 22/7 was to promote the compendium, HVO, he conveyed his message.

14:43 Bjørgo: - The second was the crisis maximization strategy to provoke a witch hunt by moderate conservative cultural nationalists.

14:44 Bjørgo: - This strategy is a recipe for failure.

14:45 Bjørgo: - Blackmail The strategy came immediately after the arrest of Utøya where Breivik claims and asked notices.

14:46 Bjørgo enter target selection terrorists, and what the literature says about this.

14:49 Bjørgo explains the restrictions that occur with terrorists during target selection.

14:49 Bjørgo: - Breivik reasoned completely by the book when he chose their targets.

14:50 Bjørgo: - Most terrorist attacks fail because most terrorist plot is discovered and foiled, and lack of operational expertise, especially as bombs explode errors.

14:51 Bjørgo: - Breivik avoided both these errors. He was an above average competent terrorist.

14:53 Bjørgo: - My explanation has so far shown that Breivik's statements are largely consistent with the fact that he is a typical right-wing terrorist. However, it is not everything in him that makes sense.

14:56 Prosecutors Engh: - Who are terrorists?

14:57 Bjørgo: - I have three main types: the politically motivated, those seeking membership in a group and those who are driven by frustration and aggression.

14:58 Bjørgo: - Breivik is primarily the first type.

14:58 Bjørgo being asked by the prosecutor Engh about terrorists blunted emotions.

14:59 Bjørgo: - The main picture is that most are surprisingly normal.

15:00 Bjørgo: - I do not think one can generalize and say that they are feeling cold.

15:02 Bjørgo points out that solo terrorists will not be weeded out, and points out that the Laser Pistol Man and man in Sweden, both were diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome.

15:03 Bjørgo says he reacted Breivik hanging out with family members and friends in the compendium. He also reacted to Breivik's self-image.

15:04 Bjørgo think Breivik seems very self-centered in their manifesto.

15:05 Bjørgo believes it has reached so far nothing that substantiates that the Knights Templar exist.

15:07 Bjørgo shows that among the extreme right is not unusual that the reality portrayed as larger than it really is.

15:09 Bjørgo says that research has only provided some answers to why people are radicalizing, and "tipping over".

15:12 Lippestad: - Is this to be cover-usual?

15:12 Bjørgo: - It is not uncommon.

15:14 Lippestad Bjørgo ask about Breivik's negotiating strategy.

15:14 Defendant bears traces of Bjørgo Breivik reorganization.

15:16 Bjørgo: - We manage enough, unfortunately, not to mention the term "cultural marxism".

15:17 Bjørgo: - Most concepts do not last. It's no wonder that the terms dropped.

15:18 Lawyer Elgesem: - You quoted Arne Myrdal, who took on a role as defender of the nation?

15:19 Bjørgo: - Myrdal pointed out that there was resistance groups across the country. He was a leader and had great credibility with the greatest appeal.

15:19 Bjørgo: - Myrdal would never accept mass murder.

15:21 Bjørgo asked about his criticism of the first psychiatrists report: - One excludes perspectives.

15:23 Bjørgo seems new words were interpreted into a mental frame.

15:24 Bjørgo asked if he knew of Breivik's new words, like "national darwinism".

15:25 Bjørgo asked if ideology is the cause of the violence of judge Arntzen.

15:26 Bjørgo: - Most people do not go into the neo-Nazi groups because they are racists.

15:26 Bjørgo: - For some, ideology first.

15:28 The court takes a short break until 15.35, Breivik is refused to comment Bjørgo of judgments Arntzen because of bad time.

15:38 Next witness is Øyvind Strømmen.

15:40 Strømmen has been a journalist used the five, six years to work with the extreme right field.

15:40 Prosecutors Holden: - Can you explain how you practically have been working on this field?

15:41 Strømmen: - What I've done is to follow the right wing web sites and put myself in the literature that are recommended there.

15:42 Strømmen: - My approach has been journalism.

15:42 Prosecutors Holden: - How would you characterize Breivik's ideology?

15:43 Strømmen: - I share Emberland opinion, that it is fascist.

15:44 Strømmen: - It is clear that much of his worldview is a philosophy on which we find again in the counter-jihadism.

15:44 Strømmen: - While there are elements that come from elsewhere, such as national socialism.

15:48 Prosecutors Holden: - Is there anything that distinguishes him from the traditional right-wing extremist?

15:49 Power believes that it is the most is couter-jihadism, but it also shines through neo-Nazism in Breivik.

15:50 Power refers to Breivik use of words such as "tribal" and "race" in the manifesto.

15:50 Prosecutors Holden: - Can you say something about Fjord Mans role?

15:51 Strømmen: - He is a major ideologue internationally.

15:51 Strømmen: - Fjordman has never taken directly to the word for violence, but called ethnic cleansing and armament.

15:52 Strømmen: Breivik look at violence as a must resort to.

15:54 Strømmen: - There are far fewer people express support for Utøya than Breivik has stated in court.

15:55 Power is asked by Lippestad: - Do you think that it provided written support for this online?

15:55 Strømmen: - Yes.

15:55 Lippestad: - Do you think there are more people inside the support, than those who do it in writing?

15:56 Strømmen: - Support is expressed in anonymous comments. If you look at the profile of these, it is not only so-called "network roll".

15:57 Strømmen: - The defendant has also received support in the form of letters.

15:57 Lippestad: - The word "cultural marxism" is not unknown to you. Is there a term that you think are unique?

15:58 Strømmen: - There are expressions that are mentioned in the first report that appears as novel constructions.

15:59 Lippestad: - Are any of these terms that make sense?

16:00 Power says it is someone who "comes pretty close."

16:02 Power explains that in the online debates coming up notions that are censored and set aside. This is fairly common attitudes at the extreme right.

16:07 Lawyer Elgesem: - How do you assess the threat from the extreme right?

16:08 Strømmen: - I relate to PST and Danish PET, which says that the threat does not necessarily come from organized environmental

16:09 Strømmen says Breivik's massacre of Utøya is in a completely different scale than what has come from other right-wing extremists in Europe.

16:12 Strømmen: - Civil Performances are quite common in the extreme-right environment.

16:14 Power said that performances like this have a greater impact internationally than in Norway.

16:17 Strømmen says Eurarabia conception shows how the contact between Europe and Islamic countries is interpreted in a conspiratorial frame.

16:19 Strømmen says there are clear parallels between the "Eurabia" and the idea of ??a Zionist world domination.

16:25 Lawyer Larsen asked about the use of propaganda lies in the relationship.

16:26 Strømmen: - The point of it is to incite hatred.

16:29 Power explains that the idea of ??one-man terrorism is not unique to right-wing context.

16:32 The court is adjourned for today.