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Anders Behring Breivik Court Transcript 2012-05-30 Live Report


Wednesday 30th of May, 2012

8:51 At 9 continues trial against Anders Breivik Behring in Oslo District Court.

8:52 Today, several police investigators explain.

8:53 Among other things, an investigator tell what the police have found out about the Knights Templar.

8:57 Also Breivik's economy and the compendium will be in focus in court today.

8:58 The defendant arrives in court 250

8:59 He exchanges a few words with his defense Isolated Ground.

8:59 The defendant leaves the courtroom again with their defenders.

9:00 Defense team has obviously a conference near the courtroom.

9:00 The defense returns with the defendants.

9:01 The judges arrive in the courtroom.

9:01 The court is set.

9:01 Arntzen prosecutor asks for a briefing.

9:02 Prosecutors Holden: - This day will be paid in full police investigation.

9:02 Holden: - The investigator should explain how the investigation is organized.

9:02 The first witness is the principal investigator Kenneth Wilberg from Oslo police.

9:03 Holden: - After Wilberg, we get a glance of intelligence work. Police Superintendent Alf Claus from the NCIS to explain themselves.

9:03 Holden: - Then there are four specific issues we should go a little in depth. The first is the compendium.

9:04 Holden: - Then Anette Seip Breivik go through procurement.

9:05 Breivik's economy and the Knights Templar are the latest topics.

9:05 Wilberg will be asked to provide personal information.

9:05 Prosecutors Holden: - You have made clear a presentation. You start it, and so we take things a little bit along the way.

9:06 Wilberg: - I work on violence section to normal, in this case I have concluded in a team.

9:07 Wilberg explains the division of labor in the case between Oslo Police and Criminal Police.

9:09 Wilberg: - We have chosen to show how the investigation has been organized to provide an outline of the investigation.

9:10 Wilberg: - The objective has been to provide the necessary information to decide the question of prosecution, to determine whether the defendant has had one or more intermediaries, physically or mentally.

9:11 Holden: - Is the investigation concluded?

9:11 Wilberg: - It is not over.

9:11 Holden: - Is it unusual that there is an investigation underway in a lawsuit?

9:11 Wilberg: - It is common to conduct an investigation while the trial is taking place, and afterwards.

9:12 Wilberg: - The investigation did not identify physical or mental contributors to the terrorist attacks 22/7.

9:12 Wilberg gives a brief account of the organization of the investigation, and the case size.

9:13 Wilberg: - From 22/7 has 300 investigators were involved, now works 50 investigators on the case.

9:14 Holden: - You say it is not expected that the conclusions changed. How sure can we be on it?

9:14 Wilberg: - It is expected that the conclusions will be changed. We are confident conclusion that he has not had contributors.

9:14 The conclusion is that Breivik has not had accomplices.

9:15 Wilberg: - It is carried out in 1127 the examination of witnesses in connection with the bomb in the government building. We have received over 1,600 tips.

9:15 Wilberg: - The tips have led to 219 interviews.

9:19 Wilberg: - Of those who were not identified in the manifesto, the "Richard Lionheart" (Breivik alleged mentor).

9:20 Wilberg: - The investigation was an early focus on the Knights Templar, this was important to determine whether there were accomplices.

9:21 Wilberg: - Police have found no evidence that KT exist, so defendants have described.

9:22 Wilberg: - We have made 5000 seizures in the matter. The case is currently at 120 binders.

9:24 Holden: - What is the reason TLL that you do not have full control of the defendant's internet activity?

9:24 Wilberg: - It is because it is a medium that it is impossible to have complete control.

9:25 Wilberg: - Of the 44 letters rogatory to foreign countries, there are ten we have not been answered.

9:26 Holden: - We take a temporary break. You have completed the report on the general.

9:26 Lippestad have any questions.

9:27 Holden: - We are moving forward. You should say something briefly about World of Warcraft and tell whether the e-mail addresses of the compendium was sent.

9:28 Wilberg: - What we have done is that we have gathered information on WoW, from the U.S. Europe and Australia.

9:28 Holden: - We are not talking about a classic violent games?

9:28 Wilberg: - It is not.

9:30 Wilberg: - Originally, the defendant tried to send the manifest to the 8109 e-mail addresses. Spam filters stopped, however, many of these.

9:31 Wilberg: - One of these must have belonged to one of the KT network, according to Breivik.

9:31 Holden: - Breivik said in court that one of these 8109 e-mail addresses belonging to a person in KT. Sets the police down and try to verify a little over 7,000 of these e-mail addresses that you do not know who belongs?

9:33 Wilberg: - No, it is not like looking for a needle in a haystack, but searching for a needle among over 8000 needles.

9:33 Holden does not have any more questions.

9:33 Lippestad: - This means that approximately 8000 e-mail addresses Breivik tried to send the manifesto to, we know not who is?

9:33 Wilberg: - That is correct.

9:34 Holden: - There has been speculation in the media regarding a Serb. A Bosnian newspaper printed an article that launched this person as possible Breivik's contact person in Liberia. Have the police looked at it?

9:35 Wilberg: - Yes, the article we brought in and translated. There was an article that said that they could be Breivik contact. But we have read the article that there are allegations.

9:36 Lawyer Hallgren asked about the computer game Call of Duty.

9:36 Wilberg - I know it, but not to the details around it.

9:37 Prosecutors Engh: - The police does not believe defendant's explanation of KT and he has not medvirkere. If you thought email addresses could change this position, you would set it?

9:37 Wilberg: - Well, then it would be an analysis that lay behind it.

9:38 Lawyer Larsen: - Breivik has explained that he had some trouble when he sent the manifesto. But he sent it just before the bomb. When it is sent and when it is received?

9:38 Wilberg: - It is after, at 14 it went out.

9:39 Lippestad: - It was sent 44 requests to foreign countries, and waiting for answers to ten. Which ten is what you expect an answer to?

9:39 Wilberg: - No, the Serb has been answered. There are people that he has acted by, for example. Details is the individual project / team.

9:40 Lippestad: - You said it investigated KT in the form in which the defendant claims it exists. He claims there are two forms, in the first questioning a pan-European organization. Since he explains that there are six people. What form do you have investigated?

9:41 Wilberg: - We have investigated the trips to the Baltics and whether there was a meeting in London.

9:42 Terje Tørrissen: - Facebook accounts, you have gained access to them or information that others Breivik has written to?

9:42 Wilberg: - What we have is the reports that describe his activities on the web. We still have things we are waiting for.

9:42 Tørrissen: - Have you analyzed what is?

9:42 Wilberg: - What are you thinking?

9:43 Tørrissen ask if this is the inquiry documents.

9:43 Wilberg - I have to refer to the reports. They are available to the experts.

9:44 - Have you considered social interaction in the WoW game?

9:44 Wilberg: - Do not except that there has been a witness questioning of those he played with. The ones we have examined are Norwegian.

9:45 Holden: - When it comes time for distribution of the manifest, it is 14.09 and 14.42. In Call of Duty is logged 123.4 hours multiplayer.

9:46 Defense Ground: - Breivik has recommended manifesto Rush Mail as emitter. Have the police investigated this company?

9:46 Wilberg: - What I can say about it is that we have not written a request for it. We are aware that there is an encryption tool, you must have a key to read the mail.

9:46 Lawyer Larsen: - Last date for distribution is 14.42. Did anyone respond? Did anyone who contacted or were called?

9:47 Wilberg: - Not that I know of. We found the compendium online in the evening.

9:47 Arntzen: - What kind of game is Modern Warfare?

9:47 Wilberg: - The same games like Call of Duty.

9:48 The witness is finished.

9:48 Prosecutors Holden handing out documents to the court's members.

9:49 Alf Claus from the NCIS will now explain the police's own analyzes.

9:49 Claus takes the witness stand. He is a police sergeant in the Criminal Police.

9:50 Prosecutors Holden: - What do you do?

9:50 Claus: - I am operating kriminalanlytiker. I work now in 22/7-enheten. Has worked with analysis for about 12 years.

9:51 Claus - I'll explain a little more about the work behind to document Breivik's life.

9:51 Clause: - The analysis is divided into two: the Oslo project and Utøya project. The distinction is as Breivik park the van in development.

9:52 Clause: - The mandate has been to try to document as much of Breivik's life and it has been medvirkere.

9:52 Clause: - The amount of information in the case are enormous.

9:54 Claus: - Information is collected, processed and forwarded to us for analysis.

9:54 Claus shows the right picture to show how the analysis group has worked.

9:55 Information is entered in a computer system to illustrate the relationship to each other.

9:56 Prosecutors Holden: - You have picked an example.

9:56 Clause: - 11 July 2011: the day is randomly selected to illustrate the work.

9:57 Claus: - When you write 11 July in our system, you get up a passage from the diary of the Manifesto.

9:58 Claus: - You also get hits on the data log. There appears an episode of Rome from an external hard drive. At 10.30, one can see that Breivik entered At 11:00 he visits

9:59 Telephone and data traffic is logged to the minute.

9:59 Clause: - The activity is confirmed by movements in Breivik's account.

10:00 The time record 13.08 GPS in the Doblo a journey that starts at Vålstua farm.

10:00 Over 60,000 GPS coordinates are recorded by the police.

10:01 A receipt from the Coop Prix Rena is seized and will appear in the police database, 11 July.

10:02 Nissen says this to give the court an idea of ??what kind of information in the police investigation material.

10:03 A video from Sparebanken Hedmark at 15.08 Breivik shows the ATM.

10:04 Claus: - This is an attempt to show how information from all projects are broken down and made available in an easy manner. Our mission has served to document as many of Breivik's movements and contacts he had.

10:04 Claus: - This is in part to help in interview situations.

10:05 Claus: - We have tried to see if this is true. Is it possible for one person to do all the electronic evidence displays?

10:06 Claus: - With that thought in mind, we have gone through all the tracks to see if there are any discrepancies. We have not been able to find.

10:07 Claus: - We check the slots to the tips we've received.

10:08 Claus: - We have collected large amounts of mobile traffic. We ended up with several million rows of information and 220,000 unique phones. We put all the numbers in the same base. Is a number such as is found on a patch of Breivik, it will turn into.

10:09 The same procedure is done with such bompasseringer, to reveal possible accomplices. But no person is found who has given grounds for suspicion.

10:10 Claus: - We have documented much of Breivik's life, but not identified helpers.

10:10 - But it is theoretically impossible to prove that something does not exist. But we've been very much, and found nothing.

10:12 Claus: - We have tried to schematize Breivik's life and shared it in four. The parts are growing up until 1996, the period from 1997 to May 2009, preparations from May 2009 to 19.07.2011 and the implementation of 20 to 22 July 2011.

10:13 Claus shows a timeline of the court Breivik's life.

10:14 Claus: - We are struggling with objective information about when he began work on the manifest.

10:15 Clause: - If we are going to say something about the timeline, there are two periods stand out. Summer 2006 and summer 2009 are two places where there is a transition from something to something else.

10:15 Claus: - Before 2006, we find no objective evidence that gives us something that is pointing in the direction of the Breivik has done.

10:16 - After 2006 he began to talk about a book. The first objective proof that something is going on, is the establishment of Geofarm 15 May 2009.

10:16 Prosecutors Holden has no questions.

10:16 Lippestad: - We know that Breivik also had a shotgun. Do you have information on when it was acquired?

10:17 Claus: - We have, and it comes in at Seip. It was in 2003.

10:17 Lippestad: - Analysis tool is impressive. Can you tell us if you have found discrepancies between Breivik's explanation and this material?

10:18 Claus: - No, in principle, Breivik been cooperative and explained all about very much. What he has said about him, have generally voted with the objective evidence. Discrepancies caused memory.

10:18 Lippestad: - Are there many details he remembers?

10:19 Claus: - Both. Something tells himself that he will not give evidence about other things he can not remember so much. Some are particularly good reproduction.

10:19 Lippestad: - Can you give an example of a particularly good rendition?

10:19 Claus: - Bomb Production. There, Breivik talk long and hard about the detailed stuff.

10:20 Lippestad: - You could map out a day after every minute. Is there anything a person can do that you may have less objective information? What can be done to get under the radar?

10:20 Claus: - There is no problem to not generate electronic tracks or generate false tracks or do anything usporbart. We find no evidence, we never out of it.

10:20 Lippestad: - If you take out the battery from your cell phone?

10:20 Clause: - It will not register any points then.

10:21 Lawyer Larsen: - Can you give us an overview of the days in July, up to 22?

10:21 Claus: - Some days stand out.

10:21 Claus: - July as a whole, he is on the farm, it seems as if he works daily with the bomb.

10:22 Lawyer Larsen: - The general impression is that he goes to the store, take out money ...

10:22 Lawyer Larsen: - Have there been days where there has been much turmoil and activity?

10:22 Nissen says that there is nothing of his movements or internet activity they have responded particularly.

10:23 Arntzen: - On the WoW subscriptions were registered in 2006. Have you examined the play before that?

10:24 Holden points out that WoW was launched in Norway in 2005.

10:26 The court pause before the next witness.

10:45 The defendant returns to court after the break.

10:46 The negotiations continue.

10:46 Dag Uppheim from PST will now explain about Breivik compendium.

10:47 Holden wonders if some questions from the court requires the Wilberg comes back to answer.

10:47 Tørrissen: - It is not a very big topic when it comes to Facebook, but it could be of interest.

10:48 Holden suggests that some of the investigators can take it with the experts during a break. Then the court to hear about it if desired.

10:48 Dag Uppheim to give evidence.

10:49 Holden: - It is you who have had the biggest challenge in adapting your presentation to your allotted time.

10:49 Holden: - To get started, and I have tried to promise that I will not stop so often.

10:49 Uppheim jobs in the PST and will write about Breivik's manifesto.

10:50 Uppheim: - The manifesto contains information that is important for the investigation. Our goal has been to disseminate information from the manifest to the various projects in the investigation.

10:51 Uppheim: - Various topics are discussed in many places in the document, we have summarized reports. The defendant has been questioned on a number of points from the Manifesto.

10:52 Uppheim: - The manifesto is a informsjonskilde as defendants themselves have designed, and we must take into account that the accused has designed it for a larger audience.

10:53 Uppheim: - The investigation has not had the intention to disprove the positions expressed.

10:54 Uppheim: - The document was distributed as a Word document.

10:56 Uppheim begins by describing the front of the manifesto, which Breivik signed with the alias Andrew Berwick.

10:57 Uppheim: - The fear of Islamization is not irrational, enters the accused in the manifest.

10:57 Uppheim: - It appears that he has spent 317,000 euros on the project.

10:57 On the face of the manifest, there are two lines of text in Latin. The first line is the title of a book about the Knights Templar. The book was written by a monk in the 1100s.

10:59 Uppheim: - The manifesto is divided into three books, initially a historical part of 284 pages, which is reproduced articles from, among other Islam-critical bloggers. The Norwegian blogger Fjordman is among these.

11:00 Uppheim: - The defendant has seldom written anything in the first book itself.

11:01 Uppheim: - The defendant, according to the introduction intended to provide a thorough analysis of Islam.

11:02 Uppheim: - Book 2 deals with the current situation in Europe, and is titled "Europe burning." It is more structured than the structured book 1

11:03 Uppheim: - Book 2 is bulky, and paints a dramatic picture of the situation in Europe. It points to an internal threat in the form of multiculturalism, in addition to the threat from Islam.

11:04 Uppheim: - The distinguishing feature is an extensive use of percent returns from the defendant.

11:05 Uppheim: - It is included text from the Unabomber, which is modified. Concepts that leftism is changed by Marxism or Multiculturalism.

11:06 Uppheim: - author that differs markedly out, Fjordman, constituting 285 pages to our working copy.

11:06 Uppheim: - The defendant has described as his favorite Fjordman by contemporary writers.

11:07 Uppheim: - The defendant has borrowed the title of the manifesto of a title from one of Fjord Mans articles.

11:08 Uppheim: - This article was published in 2007 by Fjordman.

11:08 One of the Fjord Mans articles that are included in the compendium is titled "A European Declaration of Independence".

11:08 Uppheim: - The first two books are composed of text that was already published on the internet. Fjord Man's texts constitute a large part of the text range.

11:09 Uppheim: - Book 1 and 2 do not contain any incitement of violence, such as in book 3

11:09 Uppheim: - Book 3 is at 878 pages.

11:10 Uppheim: - It is declared "pre-emptive", the reader is encouraged to take part in the civil war in Europe.

11:10 Uppheim: - This is the book we have spent the most time during the investigation.

11:11 Uppheim: - There is a lot of cut and paste, and rewriting that makes it difficult to determine the extent to which defendants have written this myself.

11:12 Uppheim lists how Breivik categorize different types of traitors.

11:13 Uppheim: - An ongoing civil war will take place according to the manifest in several phases.

11:13 Uppheim: - The defendant appeals to readers in Western Europe.

11:14 Uppheim: - The requirements brought on behalf of the Knights Templar.

11:14 Uppheim: - This organization is described in a separate topic, the accused describes a resettlement meeting in 2002.

11:15 Uppheim: - The purpose of the resettlement was to establish a resistance force, with different degree systems.

11:16 Uppheim: - The degree of the defendant in this phase even appointed, he has even the highest title.

11:17 Breivik slices even in the manifesto that it was last updated at 12:51 22 July.

11:17 Uppheim talks about how the awards can be achieved through actions.

11:18 Uppheim undergo Breivik descriptions of KT in the manifest.

11:19 Arntzen: - Appears that this proposal from Breivik page or as a description of an established system?

11:19 Uppheim: - It appears obvious that this should be done yourself.

11:20 Uppheim: - The defendant writes about planning and preparing for a violent reaction.

11:20 Uppheim: - Much is written and very detailed about this.

11:21 Uppheim: - The defendant draws ever-present what he has done, this gives a personal touch.

11:22 Uppheim: - There is also advice on how an operation can be financed.

11:22 Uppheim: - The defendant also writes about the cover-ups and how to avoid the attention of security services and others.

11:23 Breivik smiles slightly when Uppheim tells a chapter of 20 pages about the cultivation of sugar beet.

11:24 Uppheim: - The defendant describes how he has divided the operation into several phases. An example is that it only provided protection, before obtaining weapons.

11:24 Uppheim: - The defendant generally writes about how goals are prioritized for an armed action.

11:25 Uppheim: - It is not clear which sites defendants have chosen for the crime.

11:26 Uppheim: - It is written also about time for a violent action, how can demonized for a reaction.

11:27 Uppheim: - The defendant describes various forms of attacks, including the shock attack. He writes about biological and chemical weapons.

11:27 Uppheim: - It is generally much enumeration in book 3

11:28 Uppheim: - In other contexts, the list of organizations and political parties.

11:29 Uppheim: - Negative and positive aspects of the use of nuclear weapons is described. The ability to spread radiation is also described.

11:30 Uppheim: - It also outlines policy solutions for the future. This topic is over 100 pages.

11:31 Uppheim: - The defendant also writes on the safeguarding of European genetics from mass immigration.

11:33 Uppheim enter Breivik next phases of the civil war he envisions.

11:36 Uppheim: - The defendant writes how various conservative forces can be collected under a common goal.

11:36 Uppheim: - There is an association between right-wing ideas.

11:36 Uppheim: - It is stated that the fight can not be won through armed struggle alone.

11:37 Uppheim have any problems with his presentation.

11:38 Holden suggested that the court will take lunch.

11:38 Arntzen determines that the right to take lunch at 12.30.

12:30 Negotiations continue for a short time. Police Superintendent Day Uppheim to continue his explanation of Breivik's manifesto.

12:33 Uppheim starting to grumble data issues that was before lunch.

12:33 Uppheim goes on to explain Breivik's descriptions of the various phases of the civil war.

12:35 Uppheim: - Under the theme "Further studies" have been made an interview with a Templar. It appears that the temple knight is accused themselves.

12:36 Uppheim: - The defendant reviews even experienced events that have helped to increase his involvement.

12:36 Uppheim tells Breivik characteristics of his friends in the manifest.

12:37 Uppheim says that the mention of the Knights Templar in the manifesto for the period 2002-2006 do not show signs of being written in real time.

12:38 Uppheim enter Breivik's "diary entries" from the time when he moved into the farm in Rena.

12:41 Uppheim says Breivik has taken a "legal disclaimer", which means that it is legal to distribute the material.

12:42 Prosecutors want to know if Holden footnotes may contain potential map coordinates. - We know that a witness would not stay at his current address as map coordinates matched the coordinates found in the compendium.

12:42 Uppheim: - In relation to the articles the defendant has taken from the net, he has also cut into footnotes / references. These footnotes are the 46 false footnotes.

12:43 Uppheim: - One of these 46 are included twice, they have the same structure. Common to these is that they can look like URLs. But they are not exact, and do not lead to places on the web.


12:44 Uppheim: - If they read like coordinates, gives the results in places.

12:44 Uppheim: - The false coordinates ends with Cyrillic letters.

12:45 Uppheim: - These letters are included in 16 of the false footnotes.

12:45 Uppheim: The coordinates leading to the cities in ten Western European countries.

12:46 Uppheim: - We note that defendants abandon to have knowledge of cryptography, in his résumé.

12:46 Uppheim: - The material was therefore submitted to the National Security Agency, which has expertise in cryptography.

12:47 Uppheim: - their conclusion is that modern cryptographic techniques can be excluded.

12:47 Holden: - It is not revealed what is this that is between the Serb letters and the coordinates?

12:48 Uppheim: - No, we have no understanding of what this means. It's done a kryptofaglig assessment of this.

12:48 Holden: - When is the compendium written?

12:49 Uppheim: - It is difficult to conclude. He started work in 2006, but there are a lot of text that does not contain tidfestbare events.

12:50 Uppheim: - The conclusion is that I can not say for sure. His history is detailed from 2009.

12:51 Uppheim: - I note that Fjord Mans articles mainly published in 2006-2008.

12:51 Holden finished.

12:51 Lippestad have any questions.

12:53 Lippestad ask what kind of warfare going on in Europe now. - What you said was there had been three waves of warfare and that we are now in the third wave. It is a demographic warfare. What type of warfare is Breivik talking about in his manifesto?

12:53 Uppheim: - In broad terms this means that we have opened our borders to mass immigration of Muslims. They have higher birth rates than us.

12:53 Lippestad: - This has nothing to do with the war with conventional weapons?

12:53 Uppheim: - Not as I understand it.

12:54 Lippestad: - The war, which I understand that Breivik describes is a demographic war and a mental war between the two cultures?

12:55 Uppheim: - Much of this is not outlined by Breivik, outlined by others.

12:55 Lippestad: - Is there any clue in the manifesto that says Breivik think there is a conventional civil war in Europe?

12:56 Uppheim: - No, it made a distinction between war with conventional weapons and a demographic warfare.

12:56 Arntzen refer to page 13 of the manifesto. She asks Uppheim explain different phases in the civil war Breivik describes the Manifesto.

12:57 Uppheim: - It is argued that dialogue is futile. Arguments will be laughed at, pointed at the politically correct media.

12:59 Holden asks if so-called "shock attacks" that Breivik wrote in the Manifesto.

12:59 Uppheim: - It's a shock attack, there are terrorist incitement in this. But it described not necessarily mean that there is something going on today.

13:00 Lippestad: - Breivik has rewritten some of the authors. When it comes to Fjordman, there are examples that he has put other words into the Fjord Mans articles?

13:01 Uppheim: - I have no examples of this, she has summarized Fjord Mans articles have been taken into account that there may have been changes. We are not easy words for words after this.

13:01 Lippestad: - Are you aware whether it was earlier working titles for the manifest?

13:01 Uppheim: - I have only interacted with information in the manifest.

13:01 Lippestad: - Have you had the help of English-literate in the project?

13:02 Uppheim: - Yes, I have led the project. Others have read this. I'm not very good in English.

13:02 Lippestad: - The main question I have is if you have found words, phrases that make no sense or which experts say does not exist?

13:02 Uppheim: - No, but I'm not sure if we've been looking for this.

13:03 Lippestad ask Breivik's description of himself. It was a self-appointed solo cell?

13:03 Uppheim: - It is either a solo or multi-cell.

13:04 Lippestad: - Is there any place in the manifesto in which he describes himself as a major or compare themselves with?

13:04 Uppheim: - No, there are some sequences where it says that they can be honored as a martyr.

13:05 Elgesem: - Was it investigated whether some of what he has written himself, could be copied elsewhere without the specific source?

13:05 Uppheim: - Something I feel confident in his work, while others believe we are written by others. Here it is very much cut and paste.

13:06 Elgesem: - As regards the definition of KT, said the manifesto that the inaugural meeting was in 2002. Is there information about any other organization has done? For example, acts of terrorism?

13:07 Uppheim: - No, but he writes in some sequences of a theft of an Auschwitz-signs, which he speculates that this may be committed by a Swedish cell.

13:07 Elgesem: - Breivik says this is a magnificent production and largely a future vision. Is it compatible with what's in the manifesto?

13:08 Uppheim: - It is clear that there is a lot of time to outline this. But that does not exist today, it appears.

13:09 Elgesem: - When it comes to the coordinates of the false footnotes: is there any connection between the various locations coordinates are hitting?

13:09 Uppheim: - I'll be a little careful to answer this on behalf of the Oslo police, my role was to coordinate this.

13:10 Elgesem: - You explained it with different categories of traitors. The group of victims of terrorist action is very complex. Have you seen the definition of his hits in relation to the attack?

13:10 Uppheim: - He describes a system, but it is difficult to interpret this from what is outlined in the Manifesto.

13:11 Uppheim: - It outlines various accusations in his manifesto.

13:12 Lippestad asks accused to make comments while the experts were present. It accepts the judge.

13:12 Arntzen: - Does the document ready?

13:13 Uppheim: - From the beginning it appears as a "good product", he encourages others to develop it further. In the document itself is the chapters that have not been finalized.

13:13 Arntzen ask Breivik concentrate on what the witness has said and that additional comments will come later.

13:13 Breivik: - In the introduction it says that this is a draft.

13:14 Breivik: - I encourage others to further develop it. An important question is who the compendium is intended. The answer to that is that this compendium is not intended for the man in the street, it is meant for militant nationalists and sympathizers of militant nationalism. A relatively small group.

13:15 Breivik: - When it comes to peaceful Muslims, I do not mean necessarily that they are dormant cells. But they will increasingly be dominated by orthodox Muslims.

13:15 Breivik: - I have not rewritten articles. But an essay, I have replaced an American word that is quite incomprehensible to Europeans. I have done a couple of times.

13:16 Breivik: - The working title was "In Praise of the new knight hood." Arbiedstittelen was amended in 2008. I have written about 40 percent of the compendium itself.

13:16 Breivik: - When it comes to codes, one must have a coordinating code form.

13:17 The witness is finished.

13:17 Holden handing out documents to the court players.

13:18 Next witness is Vidar Saether.

13:18 Sæther is a police sergeant in the Criminal Police.

13:18 He will explain about the Knights Templar.

13:18 Prosecutors Engh: - You have made a presentation of the Breivik describes as the Knights Templar.

13:19 Sæther: - I work on the analysis group in NCIS. After the first phase of the investigation had gone to bed, I was asked to look at KT.

13:20 Sæther refers to the second call Breivik had with the police 22 July, when he called from Utøya.

13:20 KT came out for the first time.

13:20 Breivik describe themselves as the Commander of KT Europe.

13:21 The purpose of the investigation was to confirm or deny whether an organization named the Knights Templar, and Breivik completed action on their own organization.

13:22 Sæther: - In the Manifesto, he describes how he came into contact with the organization and why he was chosen.

13:22 Sæther reading from the manifesto.

13:23 Sæther: - He says he came in contact with those who established the organization through the internet.

13:23 Sæther: - He says it was made an assessment of him in advance.

13:23 Sæther: - He says he was chosen out of many.

13:24 Sæther: - Our job is to find out if there is information that is verifiable.

13:24 - There are not many places we can verify his explanation.

13:25 Sæther: - A task was to find out why Breivik was elected in 2002. He will have been examined. The other thing that can be checked, the journeys, as dated.

13:27 Sæther will focus on four themes: Kosovo conflict's importance for the creation of KT and Breivik in 2002. The other question is why Breivik were selected.

13:27 The last two points are traveling to Liberia / United Kingdom and the Baltic States.

13:28 Sæther starting with Kosovo conflict. The bombing of Serbia is important. It started 24 March 1999. - Prior to this there had been negotiations with the Serbs. Norway played a role as a member of NATO and the chairmanship of the OSCE.

13:28 Foreign Minister Vollebaek had contact with Milosevic.

13:29 Sæther: - While the bombing started, Breivik the politician School 1 in the Progress Party. The lessons were held over four nights.

13:29 Sæther: - In the manifesto, in an interview with himself, he mentions the Kosovo conflict.

13:30 In the interview, write Breivik that the attack on Serbia was decisive for his involvement.

13:30 This repeats Breivik in an interview 23 august.

13:31 There, he points to the conflict as the causative factor that KT was established.

13:31 Sæther refers to another interview, conducted 1 March.

13:32 Sæther: - Breivik said in court that it might have been important to him, but that it might be important for others.

13:33 Saether now come into the so-called check that Breivik should have gone through before he joined KT.

13:34 Sæther: - This is a discussion in relation to a magnificent presentation, which Breivik has said in court.

13:35 Sæther says they relate to Breivik as he was in 2002 and outlines how Breivik's life seemed at the time.

13:35 Sæther: - A question then becomes how someone abroad can do a background check on a Norwegian citizen?

13:36 Sæther ask if anyone abroad may have had access to police records. - In terms of open information, at least that party affiliation is possible to find.

13:36 Sæther: - Progress has always been a strong supporter of NATO. In addition, the Progress Party as one of the solutions that Kosovo should become an independent state.

13:37 Sæther says this does not speak to Breivik's advantage in a selection process.

13:37 Sæther switches to Breivik traveling.

13:38 Breivik traveled to Liberia and the United Kingdom from 16 April to 3 May 2002.

13:39 Sæther tells positions Breivik had in Progress and FpU at this time.

13:39 Breivik worked in the telemarketing business at this time.

13:40 Sæther: - Breivik has explained that it was dangerous to travel to Liberia at the time because of civil war.

13:40 Sæther: - It is seized a receipt for the purchase of two diamonds and a magnifying glass.

13:41 Sæther showcases photos from seizure of Hoff Road. 18. March 2002 dates of acquisition.

13:41 Sæther: - We were quite early hold of his passport showed that he had been in Liberia at the time.

13:41 Sæther: - The two diamonds are found at home Breivik. We also found specific phone bills for the period.

13:42 Sæther: - In the list have been found phone calls that we can relate to the journey.

13:43 Breivik rings to diamond business and foreign travel agencies.

13:44 Sæther says that it is paid over 8,000 pounds for an agency in Oslo.

13:45 Sæther: - British police have been in contact with two diamond dealers in England Breivik spoke to. They say that incidents of this type are not uncommon.

13:47 Saether gives an account of additional phone calls, currency purchases and transactions Breivik cards.

13:48 The most probable is that Breivik stood on the 16th and come to Ivory Coast on 18 The 18 he takes out the local currency at an ATM. There is also a stamp in their passport.

13:48 Sæther: - We know little about what he did in Liberia, including his own explanations.

13:49 Sæther: - He is in Liberia twice. He stamps into the 18th and out again two days later. So he is back in Liberia 22 and becomes the 28th

13:50 Sæther: - We do not know which plane he has traveled or how he has come down and up. Until we found a receipt for a Mont Blanc pen on a flight from Nairobi to London. There, he landed on the morning of 30

13:50 Sæther: - We know little about what he did in London beyond what he has said.

13:51 Sæther: - If we look at the "screening process", the organization had had the intelligence capacity in eleven different countries on all participants at the meeting should have been checked.

13:52 Sæther reading from the manifesto of Breivik's description of the meeting in London.

13:54 Sæther: - Breivik said the manifesto is pompous, while he says that everything is true. He represents members so that they have military characteristics.

13:54 Police have found two transactions in London 3 of May.

13:55 Sæther: - The next transaction is in Norway. His activity in your bank on the night between the 3rd and 4 of May. We are reasonably confident that he landed in Norway 3 of May.

13:55 Arntzen: - Did you know that he came to the UK on 30?

13:55 Sæther: - He came to Britain 30 April and traveled 3 of May.

13:56 After returning to Sæther says Breivik's plans to make money.

13:57 Breivik bought a spektoskop from a U.S. shop.

13:58 Sæther tells of several telephone conversations and transactions with American diamond traders in the middle of May.

13:58 23. May Breivik has a post on FpUs debate.

13:59 Prosecutors Engh: - Now you have accounted for his journey, and phone log, so what you do now is go through the transactions and phone calls chronologically.

13:59 Sæther: - This is a chronological review.

14:00 Sæther reading Breivik FpUs post on Internet forums.

14:02 Sæther: - If we think about three weeks earlier, there was an entry meeting for KT. The reason that the organization was created, the conflict in Kosovo. Three weeks after he suggests a conservative platform of the Conservative Party, Christian Democratic Party and the Liberals. In our opinion, this is in stark contradiction to the creation of KT.

14:02 Sæther: - The day after he buys a subscription to a price list for rough diamonds.

14:03 Sæther describes calls to U.S. and Storbtiannia and a conversation with an Alpha Kallon in Liberia.

14:03 Prosecutors Engh: - Yesterday was the defendant's friend in court and said he had contributed 10,000 to diamond purchases. Do you date?

14:04 Sæther: - I come to it.

14:04 31. May be transferred $ 500 to Alpha Kallon in Liberia.

14:05 Sæther read from another post Breivik had FpUs online forum where he describes how hard it is to work as an entrepreneur.

14:06 - Kaptialismen is the driving force for progress, writes Breivik.

14:06 Sæther: - The post supports the witness descriptions of Breivik's desire to get rich.

14:06 Breivik's plan should have been making 30 million.

14:07 14. June is a new money transfer to Alpha Kallon in Monrovia. $ 4,400 transferred.

14:08 Sæther documenting new calls to Liberia.

14:08 Sæther refers to a new post on FpUs pages.

14:09 Breivik point out how similar the Europe and U.S., but that Europe is struggling with nationalism and socialism.

14:10 Sæther says it rhymes bad that Breivik calls nationalism a European disease.

14:11 Sæther points to contradictory in relation to the attitude of the Kosovo conflict and the rest of ideology.

14:11 Breivik has not expressed itself on the Kosovo conflict in some of the 103 meshwork police have secured.

14:12 Arntzen: - Have you been in contact with Alpha Kallon?

14:12 Arntzen: - What Alpha Kallon doing, what do not you know?

14:12 Sæther: - No, the Liberian police have identified the man who has this number. He will be in the United States.

14:13 Sæther: - If we put together all the transactions related to travel, so we get a sum of 114,000 crowns.

14:15 Sæther: - Much money was spent on the trips according to his available funds.

14:15 Journey to the Baltic States: Breivik has been doing diplomatic services for two years and still has offices in FpU.

14:16 In the manifesto writing Breivik that between 25 and 30 people attended the meetings of the Baltic.

14:17 Sæther: - If we take seriously the Breivik says of screening, the organization must have had intelligence capacity in 15 countries.

14:17 Breivik describes the meetings as training courses for cell commanders.

14:19 Sæther reading from the manifesto in which the courses in the Baltic region are described.

14:20 The police assessment is that it was strange that the participants themselves to decide how they would perform their resistance.

14:21 Breivik describes the manifesto that he is impressed with how members were selected.

14:21 Journey to Lithuania took place 20.-21. January 2004.

14:22 The trip was paid in cash 16 January.

14:22 The plane landed 14.30 in Vilnius.

14:23 The police are sitting on a hotel bill in Vilnius.

14:23 Breivik was in the country in 25 hours.

14:24 Sæther: - He created an account at a bank in Vilnius 21 January. He redeemed a check for just over $ 20,000.

14:24 Prosecutors Engh: - Has your account been in use? Has the money been spent on other accounts he has used?

14:24 Sæther: - Yes. I come to it.

14:25 The trip to Estonia was 28 and 29. april 2004.

14:25 He was in the country for 19 hours and created two accounts, one for dollars and one for the Estonian currency. He brought two checks for $ 20,000 each. Both accounts have been used since.

14:26 These three checks are associated with Breivik's production of fake diplomas. The rest of the cash flow has gone online.

14:27 Sæther: - We can not comply with Kosovokonfliktens significance and what he writes in FpUs online forum.

14:27 Sæther: - If there should have been carried out a screening, his political commitment has been no benefit.

14:28 Sæther: - When it comes to traveling, it is our clear opinion that the purpose of Liberia-the trip was to make money on diamonds.

14:28 - In the case of Baltic trips, we believe the purpose was to launder nearly half a million.

14:28 Sæther: - We find no evidence that KT exist in the form Breivik describes.

14:29 The court takes a break to 14.45.

14:50 Breivik enters the courtroom.

14:50 The plan is the two witnesses again today, but probably exposed a winter because of time constraints.

14:50 Holden suggested that the issue of Breivik's economy exposed.

14:51 The proposal endorsed by Arntzen.

14:51 Prosecutors Engh has no questions to the witness Sæther.

14:51 Lippestad: - The question of this inaugural meeting took place, has some significance. So I will ask you questions about it.

14:52 Lippestad: - The investigation shows that Breivik was in London when the inaugural meeting should have taken place. And Breivik said he was in Liberia and hit a Serb. The same applies to the Baltics.

14:52 Sæther confirm this.

14:53 Lippestad: - You doubt that he has been in London for the inaugural meeting, but that it came to his finances.

14:53 Lippestad: - Do you put yourself into what Breivik has written in the manifesto about the cover-ups?

14:53 Sæther: - I have not looked too closely at it, I have seen more of what he said about the Knights Templar.

14:53 Lippestad: - It is not a part of your investigation?

14:54 Lippestad: - He writes a lot about it, that he should be under the radar.

14:54 Sæther: - I have not looked specifically for it.

14:54 Lippestad: - Are you familiar with some of the cover stories that he has made de facto, as the story of the farm?

14:55 Sæther: - It was a condition that he could carry, and can thus be referred to as cover story.

14:55 Lippestad: - You presented a receipt for the purchase of rough diamonds. Why would he buy diamonds before going to Liberia to buy diamonds?

14:55 Sæther: - Our opinion is that he bought it in advance to have knowledge and have the opportunity to evaluate diamonds.

14:56 Lippestad: - What is it like a logical thing to do?

14:56 Lippestad: - There was blood diamonds he should buy?

14:56 Sæther: - I did not know how rough diamonds look like until I saw a picture of it in place. He might avoid being scammed.

14:56 Sæther: - As I understand it, blood diamonds, a term for how they are obtained.

14:56 Lippestad: - It is not said anywhere that he was going to buy rough diamonds?

14:57 Lippestad: - This potential inaugural meeting in London, he explains that he is over ten years ago, meet others, to establish an organization. Has English or Norwegian intelligence opportunity to find out if this happened?

14:58 Sæther: - It is difficult. We have little information about what happened in London. But we believe that the design for Liberia, the trip was quite different. That he was an envoy for the Serb is difficult to understand.

14:59 Lippestad: - If intelligence is such that one can go ten years back and say that this has occurred because you have not found evidence, then you have come a long surveillance.

14:59 Sæther: - We can not rule out that it has happened. But what we see is that the motive for the Liberia trip was quite different.

14:59 Lippestad: - Have you considered whether he might have had two motives for traveling?

15:00 Sæther: - Our understanding is that he would make money on diamonds. Of course he could have played a double game in advance. It will be up to the court to consider the total picture of the kind of explanation.

15:01 Lippestad: - At the time Breivik was in London, there was a connection to Breivik, who was Richard, who was in the same place at the same time?

15:01 Sæther tell which hotel he was staying on.

15:02 Sæther: - It was a coincidence that he should be there then. He was with his wife at the time and also traveled to France during the stay. We can not see that he has something to do with this.

15:02 Lippestad: - Alpha Kallon, what is done to interrogate him?

15:03 Sæther: - It is a legal request sent to Liberia. Liberia is not the easiest country to get answers from. We got an answer last week. We came so close as to in-law and that he is in the U.S.. It remains to get a hold of him.

15:03 Lippestad: - Is there an element of uncertainty, you think, that you have not questioned him?

15:04 Sæther: - From the other information presented here today, we would like of course to talk to him.

15:04 Lippestad: - When was the Letter of Request sent?

15:04 Sæther: - In December last year.

15:05 Lippestad: - The investigation is to determine whether there may be additional. Are you aware that there was a call is made in March 2011 to the ministries?

15:05 Sæther: - Yes, I am familiar with it.

15:05 Sæther: - It is not related to KT, so I'm not the right man to answer the question.

15:05 Lippestad: - How many email accounts do you and your people looked at?

15:06 Sæther: - This has been my task.

15:06 Lippestad: - Are you aware that there are only ten of 30 email accounts that have been analyzed?

15:06 Prosecutors Holden breaks into question the series.

15:07 The judge asks for more open questions.

15:07 Lippestad: - We come back to it. I ksjønner that with email accounts have not been a part of your investigation.

15:07 Sæther: - No, I have not had the main responsibility for it. But if someone had found something interesting, I found out about it.

15:08 Lippestad: - You pulled out a few things Breivik wrote when he was in the FPU. He suggested that a civil partnership, something you thought was strange. How do you rate the present government, there is something amiss there?

15:10 Sæther: - I will not give me any such assessment. Vollebaek named in relation to the cup ran over. I point out that he was three weeks after the founding of the revolutionary organization is a political proposal to cooperate with parties that he had objections to.

15:10 Lippestad: - Do you know which party he is referring to when he paints an enemy?

15:10 Sæther: - Labor.

15:11 Lawyer Larsen: - The so-called KT report concludes that the network does not exist in the form Breivik explained. Is that what he testified in court or in interviews?

15:11 Sæther: - Both.

15:11 Lawyer Larsen: - It is described as a single cell does not know about each other?

15:12 Sæther: - What we conclude is that the start of the organization is not correct. Other investigations have not revealed other cells. Journeys is the only thing we can verify a with other evidence. We do not believe the motive for the trips.

15:12 Lawyer Larsen: - There is something about an election the police. Is it like that if there are unicellular, the police may say something about it?

15:13 Sæther: - We have not found evidence that KT exist so Breivik explains.

15:13 Lawyer Larsen: - Have you found evidence that they do not exist?

15:13 Sæther: - We can not disprove things that do not exist.

15:13 Lawyer Larsen: - Have you considered the "pompous" in his presentation of the analysis?

15:14 Sæther: - Not really. We have noted that there have been changes in his presentation. At the same time he stands for everything he writes in the manifesto.

15:15 Prosecutors Engh: - It has been very much back and forth about Breivik's explanation of KT. In the case of Breivik's explanation that he met a Serb in Liberia, and that he was envoy for the Serb and that he has been in the Baltic States for training. Has he changed the explanation here?

15:15 Sæther: - No.

15:16 Prosecutors Holden: - Do you know what the wife of Richard has said about this London trip?

15:17 Sæther: - I do not remember, but will point out that the randomness that Richard was in London at the same time was that there was 1 May long weekend. It is more sannynlig to go away then.

15:17 Prosecutors Holden: - We can come back to this to see if the couple were with each other all the time or not.

15:18 Arntzen: - Phone calls to a diamond trader in April, these have been checked?

15:18 Sæther: - Yes, the British police have been in contact with these businesses. They have no business relationship with Breivik, but it is not unusual that they get phones of this type.

15:18 The witness is finished.

15:19 Breivik want some brief comments.

15:21 Breivik: - When it came to this to consider me as a worthy candidate, it is very toned down that I had no criminal record. When I talk about the criminal record, I refer not to such things. When it came to equipment and rough diamonds, it was to support the tire story. I spent about two weeks to create this cover. I have always used several covers, this was thus a cover.

15:21 Breivik: - Regarding the Progress Party's views on the Kosovo conflict, was actually the party split.

15:22 Breivik: - These comments from the FPU, those who have followed some will have noticed that there were purges in the party.

15:23 Breivik: - Those with nationalist attitudes will never be able to make a career there. I wanted to see how much I ended up on bystrelisten, and had to tone down the rhetoric.

15:23 Breivik: - The 10,000 I got from my friend, was considered a loan. I never told him that I was going to Liberia.

15:24 Breivik: - When it comes to the network, there was also an internal network, which I have referred to.

15:25 Breivik: - I think the investigators are trying to justify the more than 8000 email addresses are not investigated. Regardless of what police now say, it will get the attack within a year and three months.

15:26 Next witness takes the witness stand.

15:26 Next witness is Anette Seip, who will testify Breivik procurement.

15:27 Seip is a police sergeant in the Criminal Police.

15:28 Seip: - We have been focusing on objects that were in use 22/7, or which were used for preparations.

15:29 Seip: - We have also focused on any medvirkere.

15:30 Seip: - We have also attempted to determine the time of transition from thought to action by the defendant.

15:31 Seip presents four key findings from the investigation. It identified 112 purchases from 90 sellers from 10 countries.

15:31 Seip: - It is not found relevant purchase before the fall of 2009.

15:31 Prosecutors Holden: - The defense attorney brought up the purchase of shotgun in 2003?

15:32 Seip: - We come back to it.

15:32 Seip: - The defendant can be linked to all purchases in which either ordering, payment or receipt is documented.

15:33 Seip: - It has not identified any other person with an active role.

15:33 Seip: - There is extensive use of own name in connection with the procurement and use of their accounts.

15:34 Seip: - There is extensive use of purchase on the Internet. We also see that there are some scattered purchases from various retailers.

15:34 Seip: - Where we have information about the delivery, the address is home address of the defendant.

15:35 Seip shows a timeline showing procurement from September 2009.

15:36 Uniform comes first, then the equipment, weapons / ammo and bomb materials.

15:37 Breivik ordered 42 times from eBay and three times from

15:38 Of 82 is 71 orders made online.

15:39 Of the 106 payments took place over 90 account.

15:40 Seip shows the implementation methods police used to identify objects that Breivik obtained.

15:41 Seip shows an example of the implementation methods, as Breivik bought aluminum powder from Poland.

15:46 Seip shows image from the "mixing room" on Vålstua farm in Rena, by Breivik yourself.

15:48 Seip goes on to explain the purchase of the various parts of the uniform.

15:48 Seip: - It is found 11 purchases from 11 vendors from 5 countries. All linked to the defendants.

15:50 Seip: - The purchases were made between September 2009 to May 2010.

15:51 Seip continues Breivik's equipment, or the homemade police uniforms.

15:52 Seip: - This was purchased during the period April 2010 to March 2011. 36 purchases from 29 vendors from 8 countries. Five of the purchases made in Norway.

15:54 Seip proceed with the procurement of weapons, weapons parts and ammunition.

15:55 Seip: - We have found information that the defendant was a member of Oslo gun club from 2005 to 2007. Furthermore, he paid dues in June 2010. In addition, it also found that Breivik has been on the rifle training.

15:56 Arntzen ask for "face mask incident" where Breivik has stated that he used a face mask in forbndelse with shooting training.

15:56 Lippestad: - He was a field event, and not a shooting exercise.

15:58 Seip: - It has identified the purchase of four guns, all from the Norwegian retailers.

15:58 Seip: - From January 2011 we have registered that he had three guns.

15:59 Seip: - We have linked ammunition purchases to Norwegian retailers.

15:59 Seip: - The ammunition found on Utøya is similar to the one used on the rifle training.

16:00 Seip explains weapons Breivik applications submitted to the police.

16:02 Seip: - We have not been verified acquisition of nicotine, it has been seized it Vålstua farm. The shipment came from China in December 2010.

16:02 Seip explains the procurement of materials for the bomb.

16:03 Seip: - 43 purchases from 36 vendors from five countries. This was bought in the period September 2010 to July 2011. All purchases linked to Breivik.

16:04 Seip says that it was made 32 purchases of laboratory equipment, household items and office supplies, this was used for the manufacture of the bomb.

16:06 Seip shows the chart that divides the various purchases for the bomb in various stages.

16:08 Seip: - When it comes to the farm, the data fitting contact with the Swedish municipalities in the summer of 2010. This was nothing, in March 2011 was ad Vålstua courtyard posted online. The month after the contract was signed.

16:08 Seip explains Breivik vehicles rented by AVIS.

16:09 Prosecutors Holden: - There are strong indications that the field event that was featured in the site was 22 april. We'll get back to it later.

16:10 Lippestad: - A short question: What you said about the shotgun in 2003, and a name.

16:11 Seip: - It was not Breivk who had written the email, he is mentioned in the mail.

16:12 Defender Bæra: - Have you made any thoughts on what purchases are saying about planning ability Breivik?

16:13 Seip: - I will be careful to have an opinion on disability. Most are bought on the internet to find the item and pressing a button.

16:13 Bæra: - Other items as weapons, and that which was used for the bomb. What can you say about that?

16:14 Seip: - My impression is that by using the internet, you get a hint about where to buy it.

16:15 Lawyer Larsen: - Is there any purchase of bomb materials that anyone has noticed?

16:15 Seip: - For the most part, the goods that are easy accessible.

16:16 Lawyer Larsen: - Is this a purchase that should be discovered?

16:17 Seip: - Purchase of temper from Poland. It was announced by the Customs to PST.

16:19 Judge Lyng: - This rifle was bought and sold again. Can you say anything about the sale?

16:19 Seip: - It was sold to Find, another bought ammunition.

16:21 Breivik: - shotgun that was purchased in 2003 was not a hunting shotgun, but a police shotgun. It was later used in any game context.

16:22 Breivik tells about field event that took place in April 2011, he used a face mask only a few minutes, he said.

16:24 The court finished for today.